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The Day Hiker #1002634 05/25/14 09:30 PM
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OK, for a day (or just a few hours) hike, whatcha gonna use?

I am going to get a Drago Tracker pack (just a tad larger than the maxped falcon II), and I have some questions for when Patty and I can do some hiking, hopefully again in the Smokey's. I wanted something larger than my 511 push pack. It's nice, but in all honesty I just want to be able to carry a bit more stuff. IF I have it figured out right the Tracker should be just about perfect for what I want. Guess I'll find out when it gets here and I load it up.

I told a fellow dog this

I have two 1 lit. ss water bottles with ss cups. Would this be enough for the two of us (along with my Mini Sawyer) for a 5 mile round trip hike, or should I get another 40oz bottle and pouch?

IF I use the 2 1 lit bottles I have I am thinking about the condor H2O pouches. If I buy another 40oz bottle I would get another maxped 10x4 water bottle carrier (needed for height).

For JUST IN CASE would a couple ponchos work (what kind)?

I of course would be carrying my FAK pouch and a small hi output AA flashlight.

I would also like a tarp of some kind, what would you recommend for two people for TEMPORARY cover? Oh and we would both have a wood hiking staff, about 4 1/2-5 ft tall each.

Guns are a no go, but I would have a couple knives of course along with a couple sources of fire making and probably a couple pouches of ramen soup or at least a couple "Protein bars".

You think that would cover MOST of the what if's for a hike (about anywhere actually) of the 5 mile or less variety?

Thank you and I am asking you this because I know you can advise me from real world experience, not just "reading up".



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Two liters of water is half of what I would consider a minimum for two people. Extra water might be needed to irrigate a wound, flush out an eye that gets something in it, cool down a person that goes into heat exhaustion, etc. My rule for water is the same for firewood : get what you think you need and then multiply by 4. This is only if you can carry the weight. Maybe Patty could wear a camelbak? The filter and ability to purify water thru boiling is great but it isn't fast and isn't guaranteed (you have to find water first - I've spent time in the Smokey wilderness - water isn't omnipresent there).

Ponchos are wonderful because a quality product double as a litter to pull an injured person to safety and also as emergency lean to or "tube tunnel" shelter. The only cost effect poncho is a USGI Ripstop. Check eBay.

I'd add a SOL brand two person emergency space blanket or two. One below is worth three above. Between a couple of lightweight SB and the two USGI ponchos you'll be set for a BASIC shelter as long as you remember 550 cord. Take a 50 foot hank. It doubles well for an emergency splint with a few pieces of wood bound in (trust me).

Don't forget a compass (even if you have an iPhone and GPS). Check your bearing before and during you hike. Familiarize yourself with a topo map of the area so you can better "direct bearing" navigate if needed.

Get a Fox 40Micro whistle and put it along with a Light My Scout, Streamlight Nano, and small SAK on key chain. Both of you keep this in your pocket. That whistle will get attention for help. Remember ... --- ... HOLD ... --- ... HOLD ... ---... WAIT 1 minute REPEAT. This will be universally recognized as a distress message.

Consider adding a LED headlamp. Two light sources for two people. Don't forget a change of batteries. It's best if the HL and FL share a battery type. If you want The best EDC AA light ever made go to County Comm and order their aluminum AA model. It is REMARKABLE. Best $35 I've spent on a hand torch.


A lot of the "Extra" Items I already have but didn't think of. I would have found them though as I rebuild my "Day Hiker".

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I recently purchased a surplus ILBE assault pack off of Amazon for my day hikes
I paid like $35 for it and it is a quality product

When I know that I am hiking by the river i only take a liter of water, otherwise I take my 2L water bladder and my 1 liter bottle

On my pack I added a drop pouch, just in case I find something that I want to take out
I also added a small pouch for my camera, phone and keys


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I've got a putt pack I got from architect that I could add to the bottom of the tracker if I needed/wanted to and it would add quite a bit of space.

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Great post Skunk
Make sure you get at least mil-spec 550 cord they are not all constructed the same some of what is called 550 is far from it.


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Bank line is another good source of cordage
In my daypack I keep
Fire - strike anywhere matches, butane lighter, fire steel, waxed cotton, hexamine, small fixed blade

Fox 40 whistle, compass, signaling mirror

Space blanket, gloves, rain poncho

Multitool, lifestraw, paracord, bank line
FA kit, and meds, notepad, pencil, cup
2 x contractor garbage bags
Snacks
Boonie hat, handkerchief


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Nice set up looks like you have most of the bases covered, and yes bank line is a great thing as well. You may want to look into getting some 10lbs at least fishing line and some hooks also piano wire works great for snares.


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I figure "Bank line" is what I am calling "Trotline" Usually somewhere around 100 pound test or so, maybe 120 on some. I also plan on having all or most of the stuff Yote posted. HOPEFULLY I've got it covered good enough.


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Yep usually coated/impregnated with a preservative.


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Originally Posted by greaser
Nice set up looks like you have most of the bases covered, and yes bank line is a great thing as well. You may want to look into getting some 10lbs at least fishing line and some hooks also piano wire works great for snares.

I have some ss wire for snares
I also have other kit depending on the time of year and where I am going.

I do a "layer" system
On my person, I will have a knife and/or Multitool, lighter, and a few other items
Then I will have my day pack
Then in my camp and/or vehicle I will have more items

Like where I have been going lately there are numerous streams and water is never further than 300 or 400 yards, so I only pack 1 liter of water, other places I go I may carry four times that amount

It might sound funny but there is a couple of places that I go to, that I would not go to without my mosquito jacket and hood


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Originally Posted by greaser
Yep usually coated/impregnated with a preservative.


Oh OK, got a spool of that too.


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Randy, I just ordered a Source Assault ackpack. It was on sale on sourcetactical site: 61$ with free shipping. I think you should consider that back pack. You have a 3liter water bladder in the pack so you don´t even notice it. AND in addition you have room for your gear. If you need more space you can get the Patrol model.

For Patty I recommend a source 3 or 2 liter hydration carrier. I´d prefer the 3 liter model (you don´t have to use the whole capasity every time). I have the 3 liter Tactical hydration carrier and I like it a lot. 3 liters of water and you don´t even notice it. There is also a small pocet for compass and fire steel.


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Timo, thanks for the info. I went and looked at them, one is 20lt and the other 35. The 20 is smaller than I want to get and the 35 is larger.

I am going to get a Drago Tracker. Here is a link talking about it.
http://www.alloutdoor.com/2013/11/1...11-19&utm_campaign=Weekly+Newsletter


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I have a bunch of packs. I try to stay small otherwise I will pack it and carry way more than I need to.

A Falcon II is a good size for a day hike since it's on the small side but well organized. I keep on in the work rig.

I usually use an older Camelbak Alpine for most things. I like having a 3 liter water bladder and IO can drink as I go.

I'm pretty sure that at this point I don't have a backpack that I use that doesn't have a pouch to put a water bladder in it.

I have found a maker that I like London Bridge Trading that makes solid gear and if you wait and watch you can get packs at a reasonable price. I just picked up a pack for 59 bucks and it normally runs around 200 bones.

I have a bunch of their other gear and its a solid maker and berry compliant so its All American.



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Nice looking pieces of Kit MB. But I've set my mind on the compartment arrangement of the Maxped falcon/Drago Tracker. I can put different stuff in different compartments and not have to worry about getting them all thrown together. No really big deal, just my druthers.


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ARGH. I was checking the prices of the Tracker pack one last time before ordering and a Kelty sidebar popped up. Well since I have heard Y'all talk highly of them I took a look at the Kelty Redwing 32. It seems really nice, having many of the features I want. BUT with it being made of 420 nylon I am worried about the durability. Is it worth an extra $47.00 (and it's a 1900 cubic inch pack) over the Drago Tracker (1835 cubic inches).

Now this pack will spend weeks and months in the truck and being carted back and forth from the truck to the house and on short hikes. It won't be pampered.

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Oh and did I mention that this will also fill in as a get home bag if need be?


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Oh and did I mention that this will also fill in as a get home bag if need be?


LOL!

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I was shopping whith my wife and ran across this at an unlikly place AE, I really wanted to pick it up but I figured I would see what you guys thought. I like the old school looks of it, and it seems to be rugged also.
http://www.ae.com/web/browse/product.jsp?productId=0501_3442_300&catId=cat90052


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Actually now most of my time is spent looking at day packs. I really like the Drago Gear Tracker. Also the 511 24 isn't to bad. The maxped falcon II and the Vulture II are both about 350-400 cubic inches smaller than the Drago Tracker (listed 1800 cubic inches). The Durability seems to be there, but.....

It was recommended to me to go up to 2000 cubic inches, but I have the Tactical Taylor 3 day assault bag for more stuff. I'm just looking for a short hike (probably most of the time no more than 2 miles) pack for "Essentials". Yeah I have a tendency to OVER THINK what is essential.


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Just doing a quick and dirty guesstimate as to what I would be carrying I came up with about 16-18 pounds if I carry EVERYTHING but two poncho liners and a tarp.


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Originally Posted by greaser
Great post Skunk
Make sure you get at least mil-spec 550 cord they are not all constructed the same some of what is called 550 is far from it.


Yes and 7 strand.


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Originally Posted by coyotebc


I do a "layer" system
On my person, I will have a knife and/or Multitool, lighter, and a few other items
Then I will have my day pack
Then in my camp and/or vehicle I will have more items


This is me as well (layered system). This allows what I call "built in progressive redundancy". Stated plainly: what I have in my pockets is less than what is on my belt which is less than what is in my pack which is less than what is in my truck".

Example: Swamp Warden on my person, ASH on my belt, NMFSH in my ruck, ASHBM in my truck.


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Originally Posted by SkunkHunter
Just doing a quick and dirty guesstimate as to what I would be carrying I came up with about 16-18 pounds if I carry EVERYTHING but two poncho liners and a tarp.


This is raasonable based upon the redundancy.


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Got a 100 ft roll of that.

Arch, knowing the Drago tracker is 600D and 1800 Cubic inches and the FalconII at about 1400 and the Vulture II the same, what do you think should be 1,2,3 on the list?

Here is what I would USUALLY be carrying. If needed I could always add that butt pack I got from you.

Water, 2 lit PLUS at least 72oz bladder, maybe 100oz.
Ponchos when it looks like it might rain
2 All weather space blankets
550 (mil spec)cord
compass
whistle
Head lamp, about 1x4 inches
STURDY folder (GTI folder)
pair of gloves
FAK
Small spool (think small fishing line size spool)
Snack items of some sort.

On other lists I WAY (I think) over thought what I should carry for a usually no more than 2-2.5 mile hike.

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For Patty I recommend a source 3 or 2 liter hydration carrier. I´d prefer the 3 liter model (you don´t have to use the whole capasity every time). I have the 3 liter Tactical hydration carrier and I like it a lot. 3 liters of water and you don´t even notice it. There is also a small pocet for compass and fire steel.


As have I.

I've advised to spread the gear because regardless of planning you might get separated. I've suggested: 3L hydro carrier, compass, lighter, fire steel, knife, whistle. Everything in pockets except hydro.


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SAK that is.


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Oh yeah, I agree. I would always have my jetstream light with strobe function in my pocket and a good lockblade knife. I would also have my "Altoids tin" fak. I would also have a fixed blade of 5-7 inches on my belt. And I could always put the pack FAK on my belt if I needed/wanted to.


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For Patty I recommend a source 3 or 2 liter hydration carrier. I´d prefer the 3 liter model (you don´t have to use the whole capasity every time). I have the 3 liter Tactical hydration carrier and I like it a lot. 3 liters of water and you don´t even notice it. There is also a small pocet for compass and fire steel.


As have I.

I've advised to spread the gear because regardless of planning you might get separated. I've suggested: 3L hydro carrier, compass, lighter, fire steel, knife, whistle. Everything in pockets except hydro.


I have a dedicated 2 lit Hydration bladder with a small pouch on it that she could carry, but I didn't want to burden her down to much as a lot of the time she will be carrying her DSLR/300mm lens and a smaller point and shoot camera.


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Originally Posted by MonkeyBomb
I try to stay small otherwise I will pack it and carry way more than I need to.


Quoted For Truth.

It's amazing what you'll add because you have room. I like a pack sized for your PREPLANNED gear list (keeps down gear creep) plus a little extra to stuff in a fleece jacket and polypros...which end up getting shed as you heat up.


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I try to stay small otherwise I will pack it and carry way more than I need to.


Quoted For Truth.

It's amazing what you'll add because you have room. I like a pack sized for your PREPLANNED gear list (keeps down gear creep) plus a little extra to stuff in a fleece jacket and polypros...which end up getting shed as you heat up.


That's my thinking, but I didn't want to run out of room before I had all "The Essentials".


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Originally Posted by t1m0
Randy, I just ordered a Source Assault ackpack. It was on sale on sourcetactical site: 61$ with free shipping. I think you should consider that back pack. You have a 3liter water bladder in the pack so you don´t even notice it. AND in addition you have room for your gear. If you need more space you can get the Patrol model.

For Patty I recommend a source 3 or 2 liter hydration carrier. I´d prefer the 3 liter model (you don´t have to use the whole capasity every time). I have the 3 liter Tactical hydration carrier and I like it a lot. 3 liters of water and you don´t even notice it. There is also a small pocet for compass and fire steel.


I sent them an email asking what kind and weight material that pack is made of. I think I would work out nicely size wise. I'll just have to wait and see.

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OK, it looks like it's gonna be between the Maxped Condor II ( I really like the shape of that pack) it will be big enough to meet my needs without being so big I will carry WAY more than I need to, and the SOURCE Tactical Gear Assault pack. Comes with a 3L bladder in the pack. IF it is made of sturdy enough material I might well get that one instead of the Maxped. We'll see.


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I have been carrying a Condor II for years. It can take a beating. It isn't the lightest pack I have used, but it is the most reliable. I used it during a few training exercises as well. I was even dragged about 50 yards, after becoming a mock casualty, by the handle on top of the pack. No signs of failing yet.


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To be completely honest. (I know you aren't used to government employees doing that, so I'll give you a second to recover)

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One of the buckles did break. I bought a replacement for about a dollar at a local outdoors/tent repair shop. A bit of bonded nylon thread and a heavy needle and I'm back in action even if half the buckle is black now. It is the buckle on the compression strap across the front of the pack.

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The buckles used by Maxped are Duraflex and are usually pretty tough. I even picked a Duraflex as a replacement since I am confident in them. I am just extremely rough on packs when i am in the field.


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Well, I ordered the Maxped Condor II in Kaki. It should be here around the middle of next week. Then to start loading it up and strappin on the extras. For a little bit, hopefully just a month, it will be wearing two USGI canteens with the nesting canteen cup in each holder. PLUS I've got a couple smaller pouches to attach to the straps or somewhere else on the body of the pack, I haven't decided yet.

I also want to get a tarp of some kind, been looking at these.
http://www.austinkayak.com/products...12.html?gclid=CIOwkp3s6b4CFaFDMgod6UoAow

Or the 9x9 model
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OK, HOPEFULLY my pack will be here Wednesday or Thursday. Here is a list I've made up of what it's gonna contain (or would like for it to contain). Please feel free to add anything you think I've forgot.

1. Water (2 USGI quart canteens/W cups) Eventually 2 40oz bottles and a 3 lit bladder.
2. 7 strand flexible plastic coated wire (30 ft spool)
3. Emergency candle in a round (2X1 inch tin)
4. Knives. I'm thinking about one of my swamp wardens, along with a larger fixed blade and Lansky carbide/diamond sharpener. And I am thinking about tossing in my Mora "Light my Fire" knife with the built in Ferro rod in the bottom for a "Just in case". **
5. P51 can opener (also a p38)
6. Fire Kit(wetfire and DT's fire kit W/ferro rod and magnesium rod)
6. FAK including a CAT
7. 2 all weather emergency blankets W built in hood and hand pockets
8. Ponchos (eventually when I can find them!) to include liners depending on weather conditions/time of the year.
9. 550 cord
10. "Survival" whistle
11. Gloves
12. AA LED flashlight PLUS my headlamp and spare batteries http://www.walmart.com/ip/Ozark-Trail-HL2O-Ozark-Trail-LED-Flashlight-Headlamp-220-Lumens/35762496 )
13. IF I HAVE ROOM, a USGI WWII 2 section mess kit, the oblong one with spoon, and knife stowed inside.

Eventually a tarp I think. http://www.austinkayak.com/products/4783/Kelty-Noahs-Tarp-9-Shelter-9-x-9.html

** I'm thinking about the 911 or my Tali-Whacker for the larger knife, strapped to the outside of the pack. The Tali is the only reasonable thickness I have in the 7 inch range. Man I should have gotten a 711. frown That would be the prefect knife for this setup.

I'll see how everything fits and how it feels and go from there.


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Well, I see can openers, mess kit and utensils but no food. Carrying enough canned food will bulk up the pack and make it very heavy. There is always Ramen and I have been trying out some soups and assorted prepared food in pouches or plastic containers that may be good. They also have water included so none of your drinking water needs to be used for cooking. Can you strap the blankets, ponchos, FAK and tarp to the outside of the pack to save some room in the interior?
Also, if you are intending to carry all that stuff and more, I would also suggest you pack along a defibrillator. grin

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Haha, snacks of some kind will be included. It's not a long term pack, just a day hike pack or SMALL GHB. I don't plan on having all that stuff in it, just makin a list and checking it twice. wink


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So, are you going to use it as a day pack for two people with the possibility you may be forced to overnight?


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Originally Posted by Ray Settanta
So, are you going to use it as a day pack for two people with the possibility you may be forced to overnight?


Just a day pack. I will have a couple items in there for a "Can't get outta here till daylight" items, but that isn't really one of the purposes, just an in case type thing. Plus I'll have other things in the truck.



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I want to "Be prepared" but not to the point of needing a full out GHB or BOB.


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I got my Maxpedition Condor II after we got home from the Grand kids and Last night I loaded her up. Still have TONS of room!

I've reposted this because some items have already changed and I've changed around where some of them are located. I could still put 2 USGI canteens (or 2 40oz Kleen Canteen SS bottles) in the main compartment and still have room left over.

The smaller(upper outside pocket) is where all my FAK items are located and it's pretty full what with
1. Gauze
2. OTC meds
3. cleansing pads Germ X
4. Iodine pads
5. Quik clot sponge and other assorted items.
6. 2 pair rubber surgical gloves
7. Small pair of forceps
8. Medical tape
9. Triple antibiotic cream
10. Tube of "Ora Gel"
11. Tube of "Burn Relief" cream
12. Tub of Temporary filling putty

The Outside lower compartment has
1. Bandana
2. P51 can opener
3. Fat wood
4. Small 6 inch pry bar (might be removed, it's kinda flimsy)
5. 2 pair of surgical gloves
6. 4x3/8 inch Ferro rod with hardened striker
7. 3x3/8 inch magniseum rod.
8. Aluminum capsule with PCB impregnated W/magniseum shavings.
9. SAK Tinkerer knife in the "Admin" panel
10. Two Cylume light sticks, a 30 min one and a 12 hour one
11. Lansky sharpener.
12. 5 Wetfire tender tabs.
13. Ozark Trail Headlamp (3xAAA)
14. 2 Dozen cotton balls
15. Spork
16. A "Bandana"

The main compartment is not even close to full. In it I have:
1. Two SOL All Weather "Space Blankets" with the attached hood and hand pockets so you can wrap it around you.
2. Sawyer Mini filter/purifier in the mesh pouch.
3. Mora Light my Fire knife with built in ferro rod.
4. Leather gloves
5. 275 meter 3 strand braided nylon "Thread"
6. 100 ft 550 Paracord
7. "Wind up" battery powered LED flashlight.

To the outside of the pack I have
1. strapped on one side a 711 (Thanks to a FANTASTIC DOG)!
2. Leatherman Wave
3. Shemagh


I need to figure out exactly how I want to carry water. I can always carry water on a GI Web belt for a little while If I need to. I have a setup with 2 GI qt canteens W/canteen cups and a separate 2 quart GI bottle as well.

Like I've said, it's a work in progress and included items will change depending on the time of year. I am sure I could do without some of the items, but I'll just see how things go as I lug this around some and rethink my choices over and over again.

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That pack looks very good. If your're looking for a stove, may I suggest the Emberlit titanium? It weighs only about 5.5 oz. and folds up into a flat package.
Does the pack have a provision for a water bladder?


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If I get a stove it will probably be some kind that will burn twigs and such. Possibly this http://www.180tack.com/ but I really like this http://wildstoves.co.uk/wood-cooking-stoves/wood-gas-camping-stoves/wild-wood-gas-stove/

Yes it is bladder compatable. I am thinking about this one ultimately. http://source-military.com product.php?id_product=82 or this 2lit one. http://source-military.com/product.php?id_product=83


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The Emberlit burns twigs also. http://www.emberlit.com/en/ Those look like good bladders. I like the wide mouth for ease in cleaning. Thanks for the link.


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I've reposted this because some items have already changed and I've changed around where some of them are located. I could still put 2 USGI canteens (or 2 40oz Kleen Canteen SS bottles) in the main compartment and still have room left over.

The smaller(upper outside pocket) is where all my FAK items are located and it's pretty full what with
1. Gauze
2. OTC meds
3. cleansing pads Germ X
4. Iodine pads
5. Quik clot sponge and other assorted items.
6. 2 pair rubber surgical gloves
7. Small pair of forceps
8. Medical tape
9. Triple antibiotic cream
10. Tube of "Ora Gel"
11. Tube of "Burn Relief" cream
12. Tub of Temporary filling putty

The Outside lower compartment has
1. Bandana
2. P51 can opener
3. Fat wood
4. Small 6 inch pry bar (might be removed, it's kinda flimsy)
5. 2 pair of surgical gloves
6. 4x3/8 inch Ferro rod with hardened striker
7. 3x3/8 inch magniseum rod.
8. Aluminum capsule with PCB impregnated W/magniseum shavings.
9. SAK Tinkerer knife in the "Admin" panel
10. Two Cylume light sticks, a 30 min one and a 12 hour one
11. Lansky sharpener.
12. 5 Wetfire tender tabs.
13. Ozark Trail Headlamp (3xAAA)
14. 2 Dozen cotton balls
15. Spork
16. A "Bandana"

The main compartment is not even close to full. In it I have:
1. Two SOL All Weather "Space Blankets" with the attached hood and hand pockets so you can wrap it around you.
2. Sawyer Mini filter/purifier in the mesh pouch.
3. Mora Light my Fire knife with built in ferro rod.
4. Leather gloves
5. 275 meter 3 strand braided nylon "Thread"
6. 100 ft 550 Paracord
7. "Wind up" battery powered LED flashlight.

To the outside of the pack I have
1. strapped on one side a 711 (Thanks to a FANTASTIC DOG)!
2. Leatherman Wave
3. Shemagh


I need to figure out exactly how I want to carry water. I can always carry water on a GI Web belt for a little while If I need to. I have a setup with 2 GI qt canteens W/canteen cups and a separate 2 quart GI bottle as well.

Like I've said, it's a work in progress and included items will change depending on the time of year. I am sure I could do without some of the items, but I'll just see how things go as I lug this around some and rethink my choices over and over again.



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Originally Posted by SkunkHunter
Thanks for the link to the emberlit Ray.

Make your own stove
Buy some cheap cookie sheets at a dollar store and you are one your way
http://www.nimblewillnomad.com/stove.htm


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I use found wood and rocks for my stove. If it is a wet day and I can't find dry fuel lying around, I eat cold food.

Here is the cheapest stove I have seen besides rocks. http://andrewskurka.com/2011/how-to-make-a-fancy-feast-alcohol-stove/


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Hey, that looks easy enough that even I could do it without loosing any major body parts! grin I'm prone to cut myself sometimes when I play with sharp objects. blush


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Yep a lot easier than the ones I have been doing.
http://outdoors.magazine.free.fr/spip.php?article190
I have also used the aluminum bottles to make them they work great but that one looks just as good and super easy, I would think a tuna can would work well also.


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http://www.supercatstove.com/index.php
Easy directions on making one


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I have threatened many times to get one of those soda can stoves but never did.

I like the ease of the Cat Stove, but Yeah I think a tuna can would be better, thicker material plus it is larger diameter.

BUT I would probably just get a trangia stove, cause you can cap it off and leave any alcohol inside until next time.


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Nice little set up


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I've been thinking more about getting one.


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But that would just be another piece of kit to haul around whereas if I just had a wood burner, much simpler and fuel wouldn't be a problem.


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I have a few inexpensive stoves


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http://www.amazon.com/Ultralight-Ba...784&sr=8-7&keywords=butane+stove
I have one of these and they work surprising well


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http://www.amazon.com/Como-Three-le...sr=8-2&keywords=butane+stove+adapter
I use this adapter as well so that I can use the cheaper cartridges


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Holy smoke! Yeah that's cheap enough alright.


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I've used mine camping
It isn't as efficient as the MSR pocket rocket but it is good enough for my uses


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Probably a lot less expensive as well.


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Yup, that's a bit more expensive.

I'm just wanting something simple and small to put in the pack so IF we needed to we could fix something. Patty has to eat at certain times (or real close to it) or she gets sick and has the shakes. We try and plan for it and mostly do pretty well, but sometimes it will happen when we aren't expecting it. I'm gonna carry some "Energy bars" but sometimes something like Ramen noodles work pretty good.


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http://www.amazon.com/Coghlans-9560-Emergency-Stove/dp/B00079YTS8
I keep one of these in my hunting pack
You can also burn twigs and small sticks in them


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I've seen those before and wondered how they would work with wood.


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Problem is I don't know if we would ever use it, but it would be nice to have.


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Patty can some times feel the "Attack" coming on and If we can get something into her quickly enough it won't get to the point where she actually gets sick and shaking. I'm gonna have to do some more research. Question, can you leave alcohol in the Trangia for a pretty long time?


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I mean the wood stove would be needed to house the trangia anyway, so that might be the way to go. We'd have the alcohol stove for faster response and the wood burner if we had the time or just wanted a wood fire.


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I have also used a coglan's folding stove with candles, sterno and my Trangia stove


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I was given an Army IFAK Thursday. Got to looking and here are the contents.


TRAUMA MODULE NO Expiration dates)

1. Bandage kit, elastic (2)
2. C-A-T Tourniquet
3. Bandage, gauze, cotton (2)
4. EMS Shears
5. Nasopharyngeal airway (1)
6. Adhesive tape, Surgical (1 roll)

All hermetically sealed for your protection. wink


I also found:
1. Quick Clot Module, Wound pack 1.75oz (2) (Expired 12/2012)
also hermetically sealed. I think they are probably the granules.


MINOR FIRST AID MODULE
Now this stuff (Hermetically sealed of course, expired 08/2010, but is hopefully still good).

Lip Moisturrizer (1)
Trangular bandage (2)
Rehydration salts (1)
Purification tablets (10 pk)
Skin marker (1)
Bacitracin ointment (3)
Bandage 3/4 inch X 3 inches (10)
Bandage 2 inch X 4 inch (5)
Safety pins (4)
Field Medical card (1)
First Aid Instruction sheet (1)

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All this combined with what I already have should set me up pretty good. Now just to figure out how to attach it and what to take out of the pack!

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I guess I need to Rethink my pack, AGAIN!

I'm beginning to think I need a Sherpa! wink

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Well, the Knife and Leatherman can come off the pack and onto a belt. That's probably where they should be anyway. And MAYBE that is also where the IFAK should be. I'm beginning to think that I need THREE bags!

One for just the BARE BASICS for a small (say half day MAX) hike. This, if done right, would work for my GHB since I only work about 14-15 miles from home.
Another Intermediate one for More Gear/GHB. And a Third (Maybe my TT 3 day Assault pack will work) for a BOB. I'm starting to get a headache. wink


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One of the more useful and used items I always carry is the bandana. I'm not talking about a little hankie but a full sized manly-man bandana. I usually wear it around my neck for easy access.

I "borrowed" mine from a Navy med kit on a Troop Carrier many years ago and still use it today. It's a triagular OD green piece of cotton and measures something like 3 1/2 to 4 foot long and maybe 3 feet wide.

I've used it from it's intended purpose as a arm sling, to cleaning my weapon, sweat band, head cover (or Do-Rag), dust mask, wash cloth, towel, and even a belt.




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Originally Posted by SkunkHunter
I'm beginning to think that I need THREE bags!
I'm starting to get a headache. wink


Maybe you should just stay home. Turn on the AC and sip some sweet tea. grin


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Mastiff, I DO have a "Bandana" or two. PLUS I have a Shemagh under the top strap on the pack.


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I'm beginning to think that I need THREE bags!
I'm starting to get a headache. wink


Maybe you should just stay home. Turn on the AC and sip some sweet tea. grin


Sounds good to me, but it should be sugar free. grin


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Anyone use the Maxpedition Jumbo Versipack
It looks a little small to me but looking for input from anyone that has used it for a day pack


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Bill, I have the 511 push pack and it is VERY close to the same size (I'll try and find a link to what I posted about mine quite some time back). You can pack a 1 lit water bottle, and pretty much anything you would need on a good weather day pack. Actually with my push you can carry two water bottles and still have room for a lot of stuff. The main compartment would probably hold AT LEAST 4 boxes (or more) of 12ga shells, maybe even 6. I wouldn't feel under packed using it for a day bag at all, but ONLY in good weather where other items would be needed. You could even pack a meal and a small fold up stove of some sort (natural fueled) pretty easily.


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Here's a pic of the 511 Push pack filled up.

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That's a swamp warden attached to the pack and a 25 ounce bottle in the pouch on the left. You could also put a bottle in the pouch on the right if you wanted to.

Hope this helps you.

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Yes, this thread was started in 2014, but since I am looking for another edc/SHORT hiking bag I decided to resurrect it.

As I have indicated elsewhere I have a Maxped Condor II. I have it set up as a GHB and personally I feel it fits this role (for me) quite well. I am hardly ever more than 50 miles away from home and the contents of this bag will allow me to travel that distance. No, it will not allow me a bark-o-lounger or a soft foam mattress to rest my weary bones, but it will give me a lot better chance of getting to where I can.

I am seriously considering several maxped packs ranging from 8 liter (a gearslinger), Or two actual packs that measure out at 14.25 and 15 liters respectively.

Now bear in mind this would be for TWO people most of the time, so I am thinking that the Gear Slinger might be to small. I would be carrying a SMALL set of first aid supplies, perhaps a couple snacks and at least one 40oz water bottle. IF I had room I would also include an all weather space blanket and a set of gloves and some paracord. MINIMAL items to cover no more (unless it DID go south) than probably 4 hours.

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It seems made some incorrect statements in the above post. I meant to say I wanted something SMALLER than my Condor II pack for an edc/half day hiker.

I've settled on the Maxpedition Gearslinger Malaga. I've picked the Foliage color as my pick for year around functionality. It's an 11.5 liter bag with the strap in the middle thereby allowing you to carry it draped over either shoulder versus being a right or left shoulder carry.

I've also got some other things in works, we'll see how they pan out.

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I've put my bid in on a Maxpedition Malaga (And Maxped's CCW holster for a new edc and or POSSIBLE GHB (we will see what I can get in it). Now all I need to figure out is what handgun to keep in it. I am seriously thinking about my Glock 17 with one possibly two spare mags.

The Malaga is about half the size of my Condor II and I am hoping that it will be just the right size for an edc/Possible GHB with more emphasis on the edc/half day hike bag. The specs list the Malaga at 700ci/11.5lit.

I picked the Malaga because the strap is mounted in the middle of the bag, not to one side. This will allow it to be more easily carried across either shoulder.

HOPEFULLY I can fit one of my All Weather Space Blankets in it and my WWII mess kit and maybe even one of my 40oz water bottles and some other items. I could always put the water bottle on the outside. I will have to experiment with it to see what I can come up with as far as necessary items. IF it doesn't work as a GHB I can always keep my condor II for that purpose and use the Malaga as an edc/half day bag.

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Old thread, but since I'm gotten into hiking quite a bit I'll share what I carry:

3 Liters of water, 2 of which are in a bladder.
Sawyer filter in case I need more water
Couple of energy bars and some trail mix
Map of the area I'm hiking in
Compass
Whistle
ENO hammock and hanging straps
Space Blanket
50 ft paracord
50 ft 3/8 rope
spare socks
Medicine bottle of petroleum Jelly cotton balls
Lighter
Flint
First aid kit
Poncho
ESEE-4
Spyderco Endura in pocket
Gerber multi-tool on belt
Headlamp and another flashlight, plus extra batteries for each.
Glock 19 on belt (also supported by waist strap on pack)
Extra mag for pistol
(Pistol and mags if allowed, some places we're not allowed to carry)
If firearms not allowed, the ESEE-4 goes on my belt.


All included, my pack starts out in the neighborhood of 22 lbs and gets lighter as I drink the water out of the bladder.

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Awesome pic! How's spring coming to the mountains? I want to head down the TN in may


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rth548, what kind of pack do you use and is the 3/8 rope climbing rope or Walmart yellow plastic type?

also what kind of shoes/boots do you prefer?


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My boots are Merrells, and I also have a pair of Wolverines that I wear quite often.

My pack is a no-name off brand 30L pack, with a water bladder. The rope isn't the cheap plastic rope, it's rated to 300 lbs static but it isn't labeled climbers rope either. Not sure what kind, exactly, but since I don't climb I don't consider that necessary. Just used for assists on steep hills and such, but not real climbing.



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