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#1021343 - 04/08/15 03:00 AM Re: Ammo selection [Re: SkunkHunter]
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Nothing wrong with Golden Sabres or Gold Dots. Both of those have served us very well in real life usage.
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#1021386 - 04/08/15 03:48 PM Re: Ammo selection [Re: SkunkHunter]
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Well I found out where I can get the Federal HST3 +P ammo for about 40 dollars more for 500. Now THAT is supposed to be a good round.


Edited by SkunkHunter (04/08/15 03:57 PM)
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#1021467 - 04/09/15 06:18 AM Re: Ammo selection [Re: SkunkHunter]
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OK, I like 147gr 9mm +P ammo. BUT my concern is, will it have enough energy at possibly 100 yards (out of a 16 inch barrel) to actually work as designed. I feel that after reading the ballistics on the 124gr, they would preform, but I would rather have the 147 grainers. What say you dogs. (MOST of my shooting IF NEEDED, I feel very confidant would be no more than 50 yards, but who knows.

Now if we are talking strictly handguns, 25 yards would NORMALLY be the max with the Carbine taking over from there out or even being the PRIMARY.

This is, I believe a valid question no matter if you are talking 9mm, 40 or 45 with the lighter or heavier bullets.


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#1021471 - 04/09/15 07:04 AM Re: Ammo selection [Re: SkunkHunter]
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Found this for handgun ballistics all the way out to 100 yards!

http://www.gunnersden.com/index.htm.handgun-ballistics.html
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#1021473 - 04/09/15 07:16 AM Re: Ammo selection [Re: SkunkHunter]
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BUT the question still remains, what VELOCITY and FPE are required for reliable expansion and penetration at 50 and again 100 yards?
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#1021503 - 04/09/15 10:57 AM Re: Ammo selection [Re: SkunkHunter]
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Here is a good ballistics calculater.

http://www.federalpremium.com/ballistics_calculator/
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#1021504 - 04/09/15 11:29 AM Re: Ammo selection [Re: SkunkHunter]
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A Pistol caliber carbine isn't a 100 yard gun. It will do in a pinch but that's not what it was made for.

Expansion or not, I'm not going to stand in front of anyone and dare them to shoot me with it wink
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#1021530 - 04/10/15 12:10 AM Re: Ammo selection [Re: SkunkHunter]
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Originally Posted By: SkunkHunter
BUT the question still remains, what VELOCITY and FPE are required for reliable expansion and penetration at 50 and again 100 yards?


I have spent several hours on this today. All I can come up with is that hollow points do not all expand uniformly. Different velocities are needed for different brands. But the consensus seems to be that about 1,080 fps is the minimum velocity needed to expand most bullets reliably. Ballistic tables or a ballistic calculator would be needed to see if a particular brand and bullet weight satisfies that requirement at the required distance.


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#1021534 - 04/10/15 01:50 AM Re: Ammo selection [Re: SkunkHunter]
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MB and Ray, I agree, 100 yards is in my NON scientific opinion Is to far. BUT in a pinch... To me personally it will,even with the 16 inch barrel, be a 50 yard weapon at the most. That sounds about right for MOST encounters.
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#1021737 - 04/13/15 10:36 AM Re: Ammo selection [Re: SkunkHunter]
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Found this site and here are 4 HST ammo comparisons:

This is the home page.
http://www.le.vistaoutdoor.com/

Federal ammo page
http://www.le.vistaoutdoor.com/ammunition/federal/handgun/default.aspx

Here is the Speer LE ammo page
http://le.atk.com/ammunition/speer/handgun/default.aspx


Edited by SkunkHunter (04/13/15 09:22 PM)
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