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#1047306 - 02/05/17 05:19 PM Re: Ammo selection [Re: SkunkHunter]
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Hey Greaser, this sounds like it should be right up your ally!

http://awm.com/experts-are-saying-new-bu...t=20170205_1150
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#1047311 - 02/05/17 06:00 PM Re: Ammo selection [Re: SkunkHunter]
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I have been watching the lehigh defense stuff for a while now there are some really impressive displays on youtube of the penetrator, maximum expansion, and the controled chaos rounds. I knew when the all copper/brass bullets came out there was some amazing new ground about to be explored.
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#1047312 - 02/05/17 06:43 PM Re: Ammo selection [Re: SkunkHunter]
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I think solid copper rounds for a 45/70 would be pretty useful for large, dangerous game.

9mm? Not for my purposes. 9mm as a barrier round wouldn't be my first choice.

5.56 or 308 might produce interesting results.
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#1047313 - 02/05/17 06:52 PM Re: Ammo selection [Re: SkunkHunter]
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The 45/70 and 458 socom stuff puts a big hurting on soft targets.
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#1047332 - 02/06/17 04:48 PM Re: Ammo selection [Re: SkunkHunter]
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I was surprised when I tested 9mm FMJ (115 standard velocity) on normal weight concrete masonry units (most people call them "cinder blocks"). 9mm will destroy one easily (even from a short barreled handgun).

My range placed a ban on shooting some items so I can't duplicate the tests for posting on this forum, but suffice to say: I've tested quite a few rounds against a variety of barriers and was surprised by the penetration capabilities of virtually of of them.
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#1047333 - 02/06/17 04:58 PM Re: Ammo selection [Re: SkunkHunter]
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CAVEAT:

I was shooting loose CMU. Had the blocks been assembled in a wall (especially a reinforced / grouted solid wall) I can safely say the results would have been different.
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#1047334 - 02/06/17 05:02 PM Re: Ammo selection [Re: SkunkHunter]
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It would also of course depend upon where you hit the "Cinder Block". On one of the ends where the open cavity is or in the middle where the reinforcement rib is. But as Gary Arch said, it would also depend upon if they were freestanding or made into a wall.
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#1047335 - 02/06/17 06:56 PM Re: Ammo selection [Re: SkunkHunter]
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Regular 9mm will chew through a cinderblock wall pretty easily. Faster lighter bullets have more difficulty.

5.56 and 223 don't do as well as people think. It's fast and low weight. With the right ammo they don't go through drywall very well at all. That's one of the reasons it's become popular with TAC teams.

It's also a reason there are special barrier rounds when you really need some velocity on the other end of a barrier.
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#1050556 - 08/31/17 02:02 AM Re: Ammo selection [Re: SkunkHunter]
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Just went to my favorite ammo site and they don't have ANY of the big four (Remington, Winchester, Hornaday, Federal) 20ga rounds in stock. Wonder if folks are starting to stockpile again?


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#1050574 - 08/31/17 01:54 PM Re: Ammo selection [Re: SkunkHunter]
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Originally Posted By: SkunkHunter
Just went to my favorite ammo site and they don't have ANY of the big four (Remington, Winchester, Hornaday, Federal) 20ga rounds in stock. Wonder if folks are starting to stockpile again?


I've not been following ammo, but have been selling a few guns. My gun sales have been picking up.

I attribute this to the time of year. There is always a lag in guns/ammo during the summer when lasses are in shorts and its too hot to be at the range. When the weather starts to change guys start to think about hunting season, fall at the range, etc.
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