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#1038362 - 02/27/16 06:44 AM Food: one essential that isn't fun to discuss.
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FOOD - our fragile system and the powers that seek to control it.

Food is not as fun to discuss as guns, knives, and other essentials. However, it is, in my somewhat informed decision, likely to play a critical role in whatever large scale catastrophe is awaiting mankind.

I neither condone nor encourage the consumption of humans. However, I have researched the historic evidence about canniblism throughout history in protracted survival circumstances as part of my attempt to educate people moderately aware of the perils facing mankind. Again, the purpose of my research was to shock individuals into understanding the depth of seriousness a food crisis creates. I would never resort to the act as I hold humanbeings in extremely high regard and have no interest in defiling the dead.

My knowledge is related to deep research into human behavior while subjected to extreme survival circumstances. I conducted corresponding research into contemporary views regarding depravitity to gauge the likelihood of savage behavior in modern times. The topic generally enraged uninformed individuals who espoused a utopian vision of the end times wherein all people would join hands and sing kumbaya. This is in obvious contradiction to all historic evidence regarding human behavior in critical circumstances. The level of self delusion I encountered, ironically, reinforced my concerns about a canabalistic apocalyptic scenario as many in the now defunct "prepper movement" where woefully under prepared for the realities of a world without the rule of law. Therein these individuals would have participated (willingly or unwillingly) in the creation of the very environment they denied had existed.

We must all remember that our "first world" view of food has changed. Most individuals do not grasp the fragility of our food supply and distribution systems. Thus, they anticipate the never ending availability of Twinkies at Wal-Mart. Their cupboards are as bare as their knowledge of food production, food acquisition and preservation.

The "first world" has never been more susceptible to a food crisis than now.

I cannot buy a bell pepper made in the United States locally. One major EMP event and every subjected tractor, cultivator, and semi truck will stop working. The government subsidizes soybean and corn so fields once being soil enriched with cattle manure are now covered with these crops. Therefore, farmers do not even possess the beasts of burden required to till, plant, and harvast crops in the traditional ways.

GMO is also invading every corner of US agriculture. If you're uniformed about the potentially castrophic effect of GMO food ask a biologist what they think about people releasing invasive species into nature. They'll likely tell you about the havoc created by the apple snail and others. Short story: they destroy the indigenous species. Now, what happens when an organization creates "patented food" that cross breds with indigenous species? Monsanto sues the farmer for patent infringement. They have not been defeated in court. This is a serious issue on two fronts: heirloom seeds are disappearing (the only type of seed capable of producing the same plant from harvasted seeds) and one mega corporation is exerting increasing control over our food supply: they will literally sue you if their product falls out of a grain truck and sprouts on your property.

Randy, if this topic is too incendary - delete the post.
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#1038363 - 02/27/16 07:02 AM Re: Food: one essential that isn't fun to discuss. [Re: Architect]
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Gary, I think that it is a VERY good Post! We here like guns and knives, that is a given. TO ME that also means we are concerned about life in a Post apocalyptic situation, one in which we HOPE we would survive until our NORMAL lifespan ends. YES, it would be a much different life, more difficult on ALL levels, but one that again we all wish we would survive.
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#1038364 - 02/27/16 07:04 AM Re: Food: one essential that isn't fun to discuss. [Re: Architect]
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Patty and I were just talking the other day about "Heirloom" seeds/plants and also, don't forget animals. I suspect that not many "Ranchers" raise their animals without the benefit of modern science.
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#1038368 - 02/27/16 07:56 AM Re: Food: one essential that isn't fun to discuss. [Re: SkunkHunter]
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Originally Posted By: SkunkHunter
Patty and I were just talking the other day about "Heirloom" seeds/plants and also, don't forget animals. I suspect that not many "Ranchers" raise their animals without the benefit of modern science.


Absolutely - great comment on animals.

We raised all of our chickens without growth hormones, antibiotics, non-organic feed. We felt the strongest would survive. They did. Their offspring were stronger for it.
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#1038369 - 02/27/16 07:59 AM Re: Food: one essential that isn't fun to discuss. [Re: Architect]
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I am sure the information is out there, but I wonder how many people the world (specifically the United States/Canada) would support if we had to depend on TRUE Horse power and the REAL Sweat of our Brows for our lives and seeds/plants from a bygone era.
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#1038370 - 02/27/16 08:02 AM Re: Food: one essential that isn't fun to discuss. [Re: Architect]
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I have access to enough MRE's to last Patty and I through about any disaster that we might have to go through here in Southeast Missouri, but that is NOT survival, that is just surviving through a disaster of some sort, NOT a life long change.
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#1038388 - 02/27/16 04:24 PM Re: Food: one essential that isn't fun to discuss. [Re: Architect]
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Gary,

I have used "The Walking Dead" show as a conversation piece with some people not about "survival" but about human nature. One friend is Eastern European and is always saying "why did they have to kill or leave that person, if they all just worked together...etc etc". And my position is, sadly, there are people they should have dealt with or abandoned sooner. To emphasise my point (that in any post apocalyptic scenario - be it Zombies (yes I feel you cringe from here mate wink ) or a food crisis the MOST dangerous thing will be OTHER PEOPLE.

Like those points you have already made, the trend will be that people decent into the most basic state of "surviving". In many cases that will be indirectly at the expense of others but in many cases directly so.

The example I use at work now centres on OMCGs (Outlaw Motorcycle Gangs) or MEOC (Middle Eastern Organised Crime) but can include any criminal gang/organisation. They ALREADY don't conform to any sense of social norm and happily flaunt laws and harm others for their own gain. Just how does anyone think they would behave when the rules went out the window and the constraints of society that exist now (however fragile) were no more ? They certainly would not be doing a "Toy Run" or collecting canned food for Syrian refugees. They would attempt to take control and they would use all the violence and contempt that they could. I would propose much like "ISIS" without the religious justification.

Trust will no doubt be one of the rarest commodities in existence.


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#1038391 - 02/27/16 11:21 PM Re: Food: one essential that isn't fun to discuss. [Re: Architect]
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Andy,
I agree 100% with you.

In the past, I had ongoing and escalating arguments with self proclaimed preppers who had this utopian view of the end times. They all wanted to call me out as pessimistic and even "dangerous" for discussing the "72 hours to animal" principle. Ironically, these same people were enthralled with the Z (twice in one day is way too much) concept. Some even attended a themed ball. I found it hard to reconcile their absolute refusal to acknowledge we won't "ascend" into a neo socialist agriarian society but instead will DECEND into a hellish nightmare wherein staying alive is virtually impossible with their love of all things Z (THREE TIMES!).

That particular group eventually banned me from their site after I had made THOUSANDS of contributing posts with gear reviews, etc.

I am most leery of these types of individuals. They're physically armed but mentally unprepared for the stark and bleak prospects of a cataclysm. Some openly WANTED something to happen. These people are complete unknowns. Their inability to cope with the psychological realty makes me fear they will turn to uber predators. These people were mostly well armed and trained types.


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#1038393 - 02/28/16 12:04 AM Re: Food: one essential that isn't fun to discuss. [Re: Architect]
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Yes mate there is a fine line of "something" that holds together our "civilisation", in recent years we have seen what can happen when that line is strained and not even broken (LA Riots, Katrina in NO, London in 2012, Macquarie Fields and Redfern here in Aus, Ferguson MO, RAWANDA in 94, Sierra Leone), some of those examples are left field and people will argue "Third World" but the reality is that the human beastie is only just under the surface already in many societies.

I have significant first hand experience dealing with the worst society has to offer. I know and have seen the depravity and violence that some will inflict on others for either fun or just to make a point, I do truly hate to imagine what it would look like without any constraints in place whatsoever. Feudal warlord'ish I suspect.

I see one of the hardest tasks in such circumstances is to maintain one's humanity. I am already pretty hard of heart, whilst also being the guy trying to gently steer people in the right direction. If push comes to shove I am afraid I will be short on "the milk of human kindness" but I firmly believe that I will not become a "general predator". The scared and unprepared (psychologically and physically) actually scare me more than the truly bad. They will be rash, ill considered and hysterical. All things that are very difficult to easily manage. They will be the people that would see everything lost because they have little and are bleating on about it/jealous etc. Or they will be the ones who will run to the predators looking to sell another out for a small morsel.

At least the truly bad/predacious are predictable in so far as the avenue to best manage them is clear.

Oh and ...Zombie Zombie Zombie.... wink

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#1038394 - 02/28/16 12:17 AM Re: Food: one essential that isn't fun to discuss. [Re: Andy the Aussie]
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Originally Posted By: Andy the Aussie
The scared and unprepared (psychologically and physically) actually scare me more than the truly bad. They will be rash, ill considered and hysterical. All things that are very difficult to easily manage. They will be the people that would see everything lost because they have little and are bleating on about it/jealous etc. Or they will be the ones who will run to the predators looking to sell another out for a small morsel.

At least the truly bad/predacious are predictable in so far as the avenue to best manage them is clear.

Oh and ...Zombie Zombie Zombie.... wink


Ditto on top quote.

You are hard of heart on the bottom quote.
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#1038400 - 02/28/16 01:27 AM Re: Food: one essential that isn't fun to discuss. [Re: Architect]
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My family has been building up a reserve of non GMO seeds for around 5 years now we have and grow enough of the essentials to be GMO free most of the time but yes some veggies are almost impossible to get viable non GMO.
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#1038405 - 02/28/16 01:56 AM Re: Food: one essential that isn't fun to discuss. [Re: Architect]
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Greaser, for the veggie "Seeds" you are having a hard time finding NON GMO, check with Amish and Mennonites you have living in your area. They may not have what you are looking for, but MIGHT have a source from other areas/parts of the country.
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#1038406 - 02/28/16 02:02 AM Re: Food: one essential that isn't fun to discuss. [Re: Architect]
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This is a great thread! It, by it's very nature is something that does have in impact on ALL of us. The natural course of discussion from strictly food (production/procurement and sustainability) to the degradation of society is a normal course for this, and IS something that needs discussed.

Like Andy, I, in my normal course of providing a living for myself and my wife deal with the dregs of society routinely. Now I don't have to put up with what those in a larger metropolitan area do (at least not often), but I do still see what mankind will digress to in a somewhat normal world and that leads me to KNOW BEYOND ALL DOUBT what some will do when there is no law except what a person can provide for themselves.
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#1038414 - 02/28/16 07:59 AM Re: Food: one essential that isn't fun to discuss. [Re: Architect]
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Greaser, remember seeds must be stored a certain way or their ability to sprout decreases.

Seeds bought at the store in those paper packets will start failing about two years of being stored in an "airtight" ziplock bag with minimal exposure to light. We've been experimenting with storage and seed effecancy for the past 10 years. It is best to vaccum seal the seeds in a moisture dead environment and then place the VS bags inside another container that permits zero light transmission. Store as cool as possible.

Fortunately, many local stores are starting to sell Organic and non-GMO seeds. Walmart, Menard's, Lowe's, and Tractor Supply all carry them now. Be aware that the new hybrid organic varieties are NOT good for seed saving. Hybridization creates a wildcard plant from the saved seed. DO NOT SEED SAVE HYBRID SEEDS.

This year we're experimenting with growing in earth boxes. This is our first year so we don't know if this is a sustainable solution for those with limited growing space. The EB yields are suppose to be immense, but EB require the additional of certain all natural highly specific fertilizers. We will determine (over time) if the fertizers are shelf stable and the EB option viable for long term food production after a situation wherein regular commerce is disrupted (i.e. Cannot buy the fertilizer).

We also joined a local organic CSA. Our share will likely be eaten fresh while our EB production will be dedicated to preservation (canning). If we find a specifically useful veg from the CSA will buy into more of that particular veg next year (along with our regular share). Supporting an organic CSA is a systemic method of combating food imports, domestic GMO, and the general fragile "1000 food miles" system. NOTE: it has been stated most food travels about 1000 miles before it reaches your table.



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#1038416 - 02/28/16 08:05 AM Re: Food: one essential that isn't fun to discuss. [Re: Architect]
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What kind of place did Y'all move to Gary? House/suburban area or more conventional apartment/condo?
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#1038417 - 02/28/16 08:10 AM Re: Food: one essential that isn't fun to discuss. [Re: Architect]
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A note on imported foods:

Unfortunately we have been buying imported products with increasing frequency. This obviously is an enormous philosophical issue for us as we're personally knowledgable about this issues. HOWEVER, it also places pressure on American companies to provide products we want. For example, we only buy orangic (usually domestic) and imported cheese. Why imported? All of the Irish cheeses we buy are produced from 100% free range grass fed cows. Their milk is as nature intended. Further, many European countries have prohibitions on GMO, hormone, anti-biotic use, etc.

My wife spends a great deal of time researching and vetting a specific company and product prior to our purchase. However, we often become reliable and dedicated customers once we find the "right products".

This isn't a solution to long term production and preservation, but it is another battle in the food wars. Everyone of us is responsible for forcing domestic (doesn't matter what country your from) suppliers and producers to provide the products we demand. This battle is a financial one. Don't spend your food dollars on the cheapest option. Buy the best option for you (notice I didn't say the most expensive. We all have differing financial situations and make decisions accordingly. However, food is not a place to save budget dollars).
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#1038419 - 02/28/16 08:20 AM Re: Food: one essential that isn't fun to discuss. [Re: Architect]
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Since My blood sugar went nutso a few months back we have tried to buy/eat better. We are buying a few organic items (not all that many around here, at least until the farmers markets get up and running) and it ain't easy. When you've eaten for convenience all your life, changing is REAL hard.
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#1038421 - 02/28/16 08:42 AM Re: Food: one essential that isn't fun to discuss. [Re: SkunkHunter]
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What kind of place did Y'all move to Gary? House/suburban area or more conventional apartment/condo?


1/2 acre in a very nice suburban subdivision.

I mention the "very nice" portion because this provides security in peace time and danger in a collapse. The following isn't meant to be perceived as bragging, but is designed as "food for thought" (pun intended)....

Our house is on a semi private "loop" (one way in and one way out). The HOA is EXTREMELY proactive (you receive notice if your automatic yard light isn't working or if your trash cans aren't taken into your garage the evening of trash pick up or if a vehicle parks on the street in front of your house instead of the driveway). The HOA also has a 12 person team that walks the 7 miles of roads late at night. The public lakes (owners / members of the HOA have access ... Not the public at large) are watched and patrolled by a five member "shore watch". Now this all sounds great, but we're talking about volunteers (retirees, stay at home moms, etc). We pay the local Sherrif's Department to provide two Deputies on Halloween. We stock the lakes so a food and water source is available in a crisis. The subdivision is slightly outside of town.

Overall, it is a very safe place to live. IN PEACE TIME.

The downsides are:

1) The population density is extremely high. We have over 1200 people living along 7 miles of road. (I believe the minimum lot is 3/16 acre and I have one of the largest). This will deplete resources (lake fish) quickly. Hungry people are scary people. Contemporary American homes are not securely built.

2) We will be a target for looters. However, I've already observed a number of home owners with firearms in our short time here. We have a hunter across the street, two AR15 owners within 8 houses of ours, a retired Army Ranger (retired LTC with a sophisticated security system) across the street, and another Hunter within 12 houses. This was all observed without broaching the topic of a mutual neighborhood defense. The stark reality is this won't matter once people get hungry.

3) We have enough land to produce more than enough food for us. However, the covenants prohibit visible in ground gardens and animals. Therefore, we'd have to cultivate virgin soil in a crisis. This is very challenging (especially while trying to defend against hundreds of hungry sheeple neighbors and outside looters). We're building an earth box garden as a result. We will also add a semi-commercial grade green house in a few years (if I can get approval from the building review committee...and based upon my vocation I'm fairly confident wink ).

The reality is this isn't a sustainable location unless enough like minded individuals cooperate to create mutual defense and labor sharing force. See my early comments about kumbaya...
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#1038422 - 02/28/16 08:51 AM Re: Food: one essential that isn't fun to discuss. [Re: SkunkHunter]
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Originally Posted By: SkunkHunter
Since My blood sugar went nutso a few months back we have tried to buy/eat better. We are buying a few organic items (not all that many around here, at least until the farmers markets get up and running) and it ain't easy. When you've eaten for convenience all your life, changing is REAL hard.


We all face the food challenge. Your local Walmart is likely carrying organic foods now. Be sure to ask detailed questions of your suppliers at farm markets. Ask about fertilizer use, etc.

We've all subcomb to the convenience food trap. It's easy to stop at a drive thru on the way home or to order a pizza. This is alright OCCASIONALLY if you chose well (Jason's Delis, Moe's, etc are chains that have healthier options and even "good" options if you discount the hidden calories and processed food component). The idea is to win the war knowing you'll lose a few battles.

We try to have some healthy "easy comfort foods" available at home. This includes a couple of organic frozen pizzas (we use to order them thru Azure Standard but they're now available in most frozen food sections), a box of organic poptarts, etc. These products aren't the normal fare - they are special treats for occasional use.

Many people think they don't have time to eat properly. If anyone is reading this, and feels that way you need to re-evaluate your life. Your priorities are very skewed. Up until the mid 20th century most of a person's time was spent in the pursuit of and preparation of food. Food is the single most important item on your daily agenda. Plan your life around your meals and you'll find a whole new appreciation for life.
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#1038423 - 02/28/16 08:52 AM Re: Food: one essential that isn't fun to discuss. [Re: Architect]
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I'm happy to hear you haven't abandoned the "Land Owner" lifestyle completely (ie. apartment/condo). I AM saddened though that you can't have a garden (did I read that correct?) or IF you build a fence you can garden?

Personally I detest Home Owner Associations, as I feel they are to restrictive as to what you can do with YOUR property. Then again I'm not prone to Trashing our place. (We have a small BBQ and the trash can beside the house and I think that is kinda messy).

Anywho, best of luck to you and your Bride and perhaps when you are my age you CAN have the place you want and still be healthy enough to manage it.
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#1038424 - 02/28/16 08:59 AM Re: Food: one essential that isn't fun to discuss. [Re: Architect]
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You are correct about Wally world, the ones near here are going more organic.

PLUS Patty "Discovered" a store about a month and a half ago called Schnucks. It is a slightly higher "Class" grocery and they have a lot more organic and other "Better for you Food" We plan on doing more shopping there.

Well my relief is here so I am outta here. I will be back on sometime today.
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#1038425 - 02/28/16 09:02 AM Re: Food: one essential that isn't fun to discuss. [Re: Architect]
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As a note: I at the office a minimum of 10 hours a day. A 14 hour day isn't terribly uncommon.

We still manage an amazing food life.

If you're married (and especially if you have children) you have to develop a team strategy toward food. My wife likes to eat (and somehow stays at about 115 pounds) so our road was easier than someone who for example hates to cook. However, we use food as "family time". This has many facets:

I come home for lunch to a delicious freshly prepared salad every day;

We talk about meal planning and discuss food in a fun way;

She reads about food and shares her findings with me;

We often un-plant our bottoms from in front of the idiot box and spend time exploring the food isles together (more organic products are showing up everyday);

We bought a house with a kitchen designed for people who like to cook and eat. We spend time in it together. This may be me sitting and talking or doing something else but we're together making it less of a chore;

At times we cook together;

I try to help with clean up to help promote a healthy marriage and food atmosphere;

We plan trips around food;

We attend farm markets, lectures, and farm visits together;

We share food information with anyone that will listen;

So forth.

I bring this up to illustrate food isn't only about nourishment. Food is the cornerstone of life, society, and family.


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#1038426 - 02/28/16 09:04 AM Re: Food: one essential that isn't fun to discuss. [Re: SkunkHunter]
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Originally Posted By: SkunkHunter
You are correct about Wally world, the ones near here are going more organic.

PLUS Patty "Discovered" a store about a month and a half ago called Schnucks. It is a slightly higher "Class" grocery and they have a lot more organic and other "Better for you Food" We plan on doing more shopping there.

Well my relief is here so I am outta here. I will be back on sometime today.



Yes, the Schnucks family is committed to the organic movement. They were one of the first family owned groceries to do so. Their prices have decreased significantly in recent years.

I forgot to mention:

Target (Greatland and Super scale stores) have a fairly robust organic and non-GMO food selection.
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#1038427 - 02/28/16 09:08 AM Re: Food: one essential that isn't fun to discuss. [Re: Architect]
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We've been "organic" for the better part of a decade. This isn't a "cheap" option, but we chose to do it because of our knowledge of traditional ag practices. "How much is your life worth?". Cancer, obesity, diabetes, etc.

HOWEVER, for those getting started on a healthy food path always look for the "NON-GMO" label. This is a growing movement we have to support if we want to have freely available food for the generations to come.

Yes I sound like a preacher...it is Sunday.
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#1038429 - 02/28/16 10:18 AM Re: Food: one essential that isn't fun to discuss. [Re: Architect]
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Hey, I LIKE preachers (IF they know what they are talking about, and you have proven time and again you do). Preach it brother! wink
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#1038430 - 02/28/16 10:20 AM Re: Food: one essential that isn't fun to discuss. [Re: Architect]
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I think that discussions like this are what brings folks together, gets folks to thinking about different "Lifestyles" and ways of doing things.

Before You came on the scene here, I wasn't really trying to prepare for anything! But now, I am trying, albeit in my bumbling stumbling slow way. It is fun.
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#1038432 - 02/28/16 10:28 AM Re: Food: one essential that isn't fun to discuss. [Re: Architect]
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I know it will sound like I am blowing my own horn, but I am glad I started the nutrition thread. It has brought forth some good stuff and I think it maybe spawned this thread. THIS is a GOOD thread. When folks talk about survival they often concentrate (as you said) on the weapon, kill them all, aspect and totally neglect the most important of the survival mindset, FOOD. Most folks who talk survival talk about freeze dried, MRE, or long term "Kits" which I feel do have their place, but for true long term survival you MUST be able to grow your own food and so many foods today must be grown from hybrid or non reproducing seeds which create a whole set of problems.


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#1038434 - 02/28/16 10:36 AM Re: Food: one essential that isn't fun to discuss. [Re: Architect]
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I just read this whole thread to my wife, and she mentioned "seeds must be open pollinated for seed saving. Heirloom means the species is at least 50 years old. Seeds must be open pollinated and non-GMO".
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I'm glad we're straying into other areas of discussion, and happy to be a part of helping people help themselves.

I need to post in your nutrition thread...I've lost five pounds this week.
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Randy, you've committed to sustainable self preservation and that is wonderful. It's never too early to start!
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We're growing an earth box garden. My hands are cramping from typing all of this on my iPhone ...will post more about it later. Plan on a special thread showing our progress.
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We're growing an earth box garden. My hands are cramping from typing all of this on my iPhone ...will post more about it later. Plan on a special thread showing our progress.



COOL on the posting and new thread. I REALLY enjoyed your "Green Acres" thread/posts.
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Just looked up Earth Box Gardens. Nice concept, but you (THEY say) only plant two tomato plants per box. Heck, we would need two or three just for the maters! Then there would be the green beans and the corn and...

OK, we MAYBE could get by with two boxes for tomatoes but I don't know if one box (8 plants) would be enough for the beans (conventional green beans I am guessing according to their planting guide) and one would probably work for pole beans and MAYBE corn. This would maybe allow for having enough produce to actually put up some corn, but I am not sure about the beans and it for sure wouldn't allow for enough tomatoes to make in to juice.

Have you found out if you can plant (successfully) more than two tomato plants per box?


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#1038513 - 03/01/16 09:23 AM Re: Food: one essential that isn't fun to discuss. [Re: Architect]
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My wife ordered six Earthbox last night. We were going to go "bigger" but decided to start slow and work up. We've made the mistake of going huge before.

The yield from an Earth Box is apparently many times the yield from a ground planted specimen. We'll find out!

We're buying our organic soil from a Menard's.
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We have been vacuum packing everything for about 3 years. (Best investment ever) I will have to double check and make sure we don't have any hybrids.
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Grease, how does vacuum packing compare to canning? (longevity looks of the products etc. also do you then freeze them)?
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We still can, I think they compliment each other. Vacuum seal is great for dry goods and things you will freeze canning is better for wet goods and premade food stuffs.
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Hey Gary, did you/were you able to get the Garden Box thing going?
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Randy,
Absolutely. My wife has been photo documenting the progress.

I'll create a thread this winter after the fall crop is harvested.
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Just remember DO NOT PLANT 200 TOMATO PLANTS! smile
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It was 107, and we didn't get a SINGLE FREAKING TOMATO
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Everything looks good, but WHY would you waste good space to grow Cucumbers?
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I guess we are going to have to start calling you Green Thumb Gary! thumbsup
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Not REALLY food, but a neat device if you've got power.

https://oxx.com/shop/
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#1043057 - 09/05/16 05:03 PM Re: Food: one essential that isn't fun to discuss. [Re: SkunkHunter]
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Everything looks good, but WHY would you waste good space to grow Cucumbers?


We used to grow them on a fence and they didn't take any room. Just drop a couple seed along the fence and water them once in a while and you will have some cucumbers.
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I just "help" the neighbors cut down on their wasted crop numbers by helping myself to their produce.

I don't even ask them to thank me, that's just the kind hearted type of guy I am.
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Gee, you're such a good neighbor!
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LOL...your very kind hearted to do that for them.
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It's been a while since I've posted anything, but this thread really caught my attention for multiple reasons.

1) I enjoy gardening

2) I love to hear tips from others who garden

3) I hate hearing people say, "Oh, if the apocalypse comes I'll just plant a garden and live off that."

I call BS. I don't think people realize how difficult it is to have a garden. I'm all about heirloom seeds and organic, but if the aphids and gophers don't kill all your plants, then the heirlooms won't produce enough (let alone in time) for you to survive off of. Why? Because they are varieties not engineered to produce copious amounts of fruit.

I speak from experience as we had 8 brandywine tomato plants that produced about 7 tomatoes this whole season. Now, we did let them go a bit. They should have been trimmed up and pruned more, but with the amount of blossoms they produced, the amount of fruit should have been better. Also, the quality can be worse than hybrids; e.g. tomatoes are prone to crack. Also, different varieties do better than others in different climates and soil.

So we will try some other varieties next year. I also let a few plants (broccoli, swiss chard, arugula) go to seed and collect for later use. I also did that with tomatoes from last year. What I'm trying to say is stockpiling is great, but if you don't experiment you will have big troubles in the future.

I'd really love to get into permaculture more, but need to spend more time researching. Here is a good resource: https://richsoil.com/ Paul Wheaton has some great information.

A permaculture forum: https://permies.com/forums

Also, what about grains? Has anyone experimented with grains? I planted black barley last winter and the chickens managed to destroy it. I thought it was high enough but those girls are greedy. I'd like to grow grains for them and for us. But again, if you don't have .5-1 acre of grain planted, it will be barely enough for a bag of flour. I also experimented with Khamut this summer and it was doing really well, but we left for vacation and when we came back, half the crop had died. We had someone watering our garden, but I suspect they mistook the wheat for weeds. Oh well! Just keep experimenting, learning from mistakes and sharing what you learned.

As you can tell, I'm passionate about this and would love to get a gardening/farming thread going if this one doesn't take off. We can share tips, lessons learned, etc.
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By the way, you're garden looks great. What variety tomatoes and cucumbers are those?
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#1043434 - 09/13/16 10:36 AM Re: Food: one essential that isn't fun to discuss. [Re: tedsterosa]
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Originally Posted By: tedsterosa
It's been a while since I've posted anything, but this thread really caught my attention for multiple reasons.

1) I enjoy gardening

2) I love to hear tips from others who garden

3) I hate hearing people say, "Oh, if the apocalypse comes I'll just plant a garden and live off that."

I call BS. I don't think people realize how difficult it is to have a garden. I'm all about heirloom seeds and organic, but if the aphids and gophers don't kill all your plants, then the heirlooms won't produce enough (let alone in time) for you to survive off of. Why? Because they are varieties not engineered to produce copious amounts of fruit.

I speak from experience as we had 8 brandywine tomato plants that produced about 7 tomatoes this whole season. Now, we did let them go a bit. They should have been trimmed up and pruned more, but with the amount of blossoms they produced, the amount of fruit should have been better. Also, the quality can be worse than hybrids; e.g. tomatoes are prone to crack. Also, different varieties do better than others in different climates and soil.

So we will try some other varieties next year. I also let a few plants (broccoli, swiss chard, arugula) go to seed and collect for later use. I also did that with tomatoes from last year. What I'm trying to say is stockpiling is great, but if you don't experiment you will have big troubles in the future.

I'd really love to get into permaculture more, but need to spend more time researching. Here is a good resource: https://richsoil.com/ Paul Wheaton has some great information.

A permaculture forum: https://permies.com/forums

Also, what about grains? Has anyone experimented with grains? I planted black barley last winter and the chickens managed to destroy it. I thought it was high enough but those girls are greedy. I'd like to grow grains for them and for us. But again, if you don't have .5-1 acre of grain planted, it will be barely enough for a bag of flour. I also experimented with Khamut this summer and it was doing really well, but we left for vacation and when we came back, half the crop had died. We had someone watering our garden, but I suspect they mistook the wheat for weeds. Oh well! Just keep experimenting, learning from mistakes and sharing what you learned.

As you can tell, I'm passionate about this and would love to get a gardening/farming thread going if this one doesn't take off. We can share tips, lessons learned, etc.


I agree about those people who think they can plant a garden, and live off it without experience or preparation.

I disagree about heirlooms and organics.

Everyone we speak with had a terrible slicing tomato crop this year. Four of our neighbor's have plants that didn't produce and all were hybrids with copious amounts of care.

We sold our 11 acre organic farm this time last year, and I can attest to what organics will and will not do.

This year we just planted an earthbox garden...of organics...and had to give A LOT to friends, family and coworkers. We produced so many canning and grape/cherry tomatoes we were literally throwing away handfuls everyday. From 2 earth boxes!
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#1043435 - 09/13/16 10:37 AM Re: Food: one essential that isn't fun to discuss. [Re: Architect]
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BTW: we sold a lot of our supplies to a friend who owns and runs a 5 acre organic farm. She produces so much food they have a 45 person CSA.
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I'm glad to hear your earth boxes did well Gary. Can you tell us what you got and what you used to grow your plants in? And how many maters did you plant in each box?
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There's nothing like home grown veggies and specially home made tomato juice. Try adding a small jalapeno pepper in each quart jar if you want some spice.
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I love home grown veggies, especially tomatoes.

My favorite thing is a fresh ripe tomato just picked and sliced on a BLT sandwich....You can't beat that!!!
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Patty likes them sliced, salted and peppered and then slathered with Mayo. Now that's good as well!
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#1043593 - 09/15/16 01:48 PM Re: Food: one essential that isn't fun to discuss. [Re: Architect]
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I agree about those people who think they can plant a garden, and live off it without experience or preparation.

I disagree about heirlooms and organics.

Everyone we speak with had a terrible slicing tomato crop this year. Four of our neighbor's have plants that didn't produce and all were hybrids with copious amounts of care.

We sold our 11 acre organic farm this time last year, and I can attest to what organics will and will not do.

This year we just planted an earthbox garden...of organics...and had to give A LOT to friends, family and coworkers. We produced so many canning and grape/cherry tomatoes we were literally throwing away handfuls everyday. From 2 earth boxes!


I meant to say heirlooms. I've simply heard that they can be fickle. That's interesting about the tomatoes. I've heard that from other people around here too. We are organic. Our soil needs better drainage though. I add our chickens' manure and pine shavings to give more organic (carbon-based) matter, but maybe it's making the soil too acidic.

Our cherry tomatoes did great this year. We had a bunch of bird-planted ones come up. Just this morning I had fried eggs with grilled onions topped with quartered cherry tomatoes and feta cheese. So delicious! Once the season ends and we're forced to buy grocery store tomatoes my reaction is, "What is this? Plastic?" I also like doing tomatoes with salt, pepper and olive oil. Then topping it with plain yogurt and feta.

This Sunday I've got my work cut out for me. We've got a lot of work to do prepping for our winter garden and planting some seeds. I'm going to try and stagger the planting dates to spread out our harvest over the season. By the way, I'm zone 9b.
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#1044461 - 10/04/16 03:14 PM Re: Food: one essential that isn't fun to discuss. [Re: Architect]
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Ok, so I figured out what happened with my tomatoes. The brandywines do better in cooler weather. The produce great plants, but you're lucky if you get 5-6 tomatoes from one plant. So that explains a lot. I've heard good things about celebrity tomatoes. We'll see next year. Going to start the winter garden this evening.
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#1045474 - 11/10/16 04:15 AM Re: Food: one essential that isn't fun to discuss. [Re: Architect]
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Don't know if we have discussed it here or not, but Patty and I were talking the other day and researching "Survival" food. She discovered that it's NOT cheap. Then she started talking about KNORR side dishes. You know those pasta and rice packets that you just boil for a few minutes and then wind up with a tasty nutritious meal. wink

Anyway she said they would make a good item to stock up on and yeah they do have a fairly good shelf life If I remember correctly.
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#1045481 - 11/10/16 09:56 AM Re: Food: one essential that isn't fun to discuss. [Re: Architect]
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Good idea, Randy. They could be a great supplement to stretch out the survival rations.
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I use Knorr side dishes while camping, a lot cheaper than mountain house and the like
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I can personally attest that Knorr keep quite well, and even 4-5 years past best by date won't kill you!

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Don't know if we have discussed it here or not, but Patty and I were talking the other day and researching "Survival" food. She discovered that it's NOT cheap. Then she started talking about KNORR side dishes. You know those pasta and rice packets that you just boil for a few minutes and then wind up with a tasty nutritious meal. wink

Anyway she said they would make a good item to stock up on and yeah they do have a fairly good shelf life If I remember correctly.
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The Knorr packages are a great idea to store and use, and don't overlook the different varieties of mashed potatoes in the small packages as well; they cost about $1.00 each.

As for gardening, we picked more tomatoes and peppers yesterday. Although the cherry tomatoes have finished, we are still getting plenty of Amish Paste tomatoes and some lemon boy yellow tomatoes, and some kale. I love fresh veggies! grin
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YUP, MANY foodstuffs are good long past their "Best if by" date. We often mistake that phrase for a "You'll die if you eat it past this date".
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I guess fb IS good for something after all. Found this in a post. Really makes a lot of sense.

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Prepping: 16 Survival Foods You Should Always Keep In Your House

Just like Boy Scouts, adults always need to be prepared.

But when it comes to thinking and planning ahead, there’s one thing that many people don’t think about: emergency preparation.

Although we all know that we should be prepared for emergencies, we often don’t think about the logistics until we really need to.

When we find out there’s a winter storm coming, people everywhere rush to the grocery store to stock up on fresh water, canned goods, and nonperishable items.

The problem with this method is that sometimes you get to the store and realize that all the cans of soup and gallons of water have already been purchased.

Instead of waiting for the next storm warning to rush to the grocery store, head out now and pick up the survival food items you need.

According to Ready.gov, “Following a disaster, there may be power outages that could last for several days. Stock canned foods, dry mixes and other staples that do not require refrigeration, cooking, water or special preparation. Be sure to include a manual can opener and eating utensils.”

Read on to find out the 16 most important survival foods you should always keep on hand!

Survival Food #1: Dried Fruit
emergency raisins
According to Real Simple, dried fruits are a great replacement for fresh fruit if that’s not an option.
Dried fruit provides necessary fiber and potassium, plus they’re a great sweet snack that can provide you with a good amount of calories and nutrients.

Survival Food #2: Canned Fruits And Vegetables
emergency canned fruits and vegetables.
Canned fruits and vegetables can be eaten straight out of the can, and they provide essential nutrients that you would normally get from fresh fruits and veggies.

Survival Food #3: Peanut Butter
emergency peanut butter
Peanut butter is necessary for your survival kit — it provides a great source of energy and has lots of healthy fats and protein.
Normally, you can keep peanut butter unrefrigerated, which makes it great for emergency snacks and meals.

Survival Food #4: Crackers
emergency crackers
Crackers, while a great snack normally, are also really good for survival kits. They can replace bread for sandwiches, and they’re also good to munch on.
You should aim to get whole-wheat or whole-grain crackers, as they have more fiber than plain crackers.
You should consider vacuum sealing your crackers to prolong their shelf life.

Survival Food #5: Canned Juice
emergency canned juice
Canned juice, like the kind you drank in elementary school, is great for a survival kit.
It can provide the necessary fruit you need when you don’t have access to fresh fruit.

Survival Food #6: Whole Grain Cereal
emergency cereal
Like crackers, whole grain cereals have enough fiber to be filling, but are also a great snack to munch on.
Try to find cereal that has individually-packaged servings, that way it won’t get stale after you open it.

Survival Food #7: Vitamins
emergency vitamins
You never know how long you may be out of power or how long it might be before you have access to fresh food, so it’s important to put multivitamins in your emergency kit.
Multivitamin supplements can help replace nutrients you’re missing.

Survival Food #8: Baby Food And Formula
emergency baby food
If you have an infant, it’s very important to keep baby food and/or formula on hand.
Ready.gov explains, “Use ready-to-feed formula, if possible, for formula-fed infants. If using ready-to-feed formula is not possible, it is best to use bottled water to prepare powdered or concentrated formula. If bottled water is not available, use boiled water. Use treated water to prepare formula only if you do not have bottled or boiled water. Breastfed infants should continue breastfeeding.”
No babies in the house? Adults can eat babyfood for a quick boost too!
The average baby food jar contains 20 to 90 calories, so while it can’t provide a grown adult with tons of energy, it’ll provide enough sustenance to tie you over.

Survival Food #9: Pasteurized/Powdered Milk
emergency milk
Non-perishable pasteurized milk and powdered milk are good sources of calcium and vitamin D when you don’t have access to fresh milk.
These types of milk don’t require refrigeration, so they’re essential for a food survival kit.

Survival Food #10: Water
emergency water
Arguably the most important item of all to keep in your emergency kit is bottled water.
Real Simple explains that each person will need one gallon of water per day, and you should try to always have at least a three-day supply.

Survival Food #11: Granola/Power Bars
emergency granola bars
Granola bars and power bars, which are often used by athletes as sources of quick energy, are snacks that stay fresh for a long time.
They’re a good source of carbohydrates and protein, and they’re a great kid-friendly snack.

Survival Food #12: Nuts/Trail Mix
emergency nuts
Nuts and trail mix are great sources of energy that are both healthy and convenient.
Nuts that are individually sealed into servings are great, otherwise look for vacuum-sealed packages that can keep the nuts fresh for longer.

Survival Food #13: Canned Fish/Meat
emergency fish
Canned meats and fish usually last over two years, which makes them perfect for emergency survival kits.
These canned goods provide essential protein.

Survival Food #14: Sports Drinks
emergency sports drinks
Like water, sports drinks can help keep people hydrated.
In addition to that, sports drinks have electrolytes and carbohydrates, which provide energy in addition to helping you rehydrate.

Survival Food #15: Canned Soup/Chili
emergency soup
Canned soups and chilis are one of the first things people think to stock up on — and for good reason.
Canned soups and chilis can be eaten straight out of the can and can serve as entire meals.
They are filling and relatively healthy, as long as you choose low-sodium options.

Survival Food #16: Sugar, Salt, & Pepper
emergency sugar
On the off chance you have access to a charcoal grill or propane stove, you may be able to do some cooking, even without refrigerated foods.
Spices like salt, pepper, and sugar will greatly improve the flavor of your food, which will give you a small sense of comfort.

In order to properly store your food, keep it in covered containers. Discard food that could possibly be contaminated, and if any food has an unusual color, texture, or odor, discard it as well.


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#1049052 - 05/13/17 04:57 PM Re: Food: one essential that isn't fun to discuss. [Re: Architect]
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I try to have about 3 weeks of regular food kicking around that I cycle through in week to week shopping. Then I have about three months of long term food stored.

Still need a few of the big water bottles that I haven't replaced since our move.
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Lt, you MIGHT be able to gain access to a couple cases or so of MREs for "just in case". Better than nothing!
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For emergency food supply ideas, just walk up and down the aisles of a grocery store. wink Canned foods could include: Beef stew, chicken and dumplings, chili, tuna, canned ham, chicken, beef and gravy, ravioli and spaghetti are just a few examples. I include cans of chicken in barbecue sauce, seasoned taco meat, pulled pork, beef in barbecue sauce, and lots of canned vegetables. I also keep some Mountain House products including the canned pilot bread crackers. Include some cans of instant mashed potatoes and rice, along with pasta and sauce. You can whip up a lot of tasty meals with just this variety of food items. And remember that water is #1, so keep some cases of bottled water on hand.
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A few weeks ago I found something in the Family Dollar store I had not heard of before. CHICKEN BOLOGNA! Comes in a can about the size of a large tuna can and is pressed into a single patty. Not the best stuff in the world of course, but still not to bad. You can just slice you off some and have a picnic.

Then again I like smoked Oysters and canned Octopus too. grin
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Originally Posted By: SkunkHunter
Lt, you MIGHT be able to gain access to a couple cases or so of MREs for "just in case". Better than nothing!


The shelf life on my long term supply is about 20 years and it's a lot cheaper than the MRE's...that played a lot into my buying/planning.
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#1049071 - 05/14/17 03:32 PM Re: Food: one essential that isn't fun to discuss. [Re: SkunkHunter]
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Originally Posted By: SkunkHunter
A few weeks ago I found something in the Family Dollar store I had not heard of before. CHICKEN BOLOGNA! Comes in a can about the size of a large tuna can and is pressed into a single patty. Not the best stuff in the world of course, but still not to bad. You can just slice you off some and have a picnic.

Then again I like smoked Oysters and canned Octopus too. grin


Fresh octopus in a Portugese stew (polvo guisado) is fantastic! And smoked oysters with a slice of very sharp cheddar cheese on a cracker are also delicious. But I went to the Family Dollar and found that the chicken bologna was made by Purina.
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Hey, nothing wrong with that Ray. Waste not want not! Haven't you ever had Bow Wow stew?
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#1049074 - 05/14/17 09:01 PM Re: Food: one essential that isn't fun to discuss. [Re: Architect]
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No, I have never been to Korea or China.

OOPS! Did it again. I Edited the post instead of quoting it. Oh the responsibility of a Moderator. wink


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But I have eaten sea urchin gonads with jellyfish. That was good as was whole, baby squid but I did not like sea slug intestines at all.
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#1049082 - 05/15/17 02:13 PM Re: Food: one essential that isn't fun to discuss. [Re: Architect]
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#1049083 - 05/15/17 02:27 PM Re: Food: one essential that isn't fun to discuss. [Re: Ray Settanta]
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No, I have never been to Korea or China.


OK, here is what I WANTED to do.

Ate them in the Philippines Ray.
Puffer fish I ate in Japan.


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You ate puffer fish in Japan? Ah, now I understand. grin wink
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YUP sure did! And yeah that should tell you a lot. smile
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Puffer fish contain a neurotoxin that paralyzes the respiratory system and cuts off oxygen to the brain if prepared improperly. You ate that voluntarily? You sure were a wild and crazy guy when you were younger.
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Ray,
I think you missed the point. It DID cut off the oxygen to his brain...
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Sorry Randy - you're a slow moving target and I'm too lazy to chase the hard stuff.
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Don't be so hard on Randy. He's BUFF. wink
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#1049112 - 05/16/17 08:16 PM Re: Food: one essential that isn't fun to discuss. [Re: Ray Settanta]
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Don't be so hard on Randy. He's BUFF. wink


YUP I am. Big Ugly Friendly Feller! grin

But go lite on the ugly part. wink
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Sorry Randy - you're a slow moving target and I'm too lazy to chase the hard stuff.


No worries Gary. I've been moving slower than usual this last month. BUT I am gradually getting quicker. AND just to prove I AM NOT like what some folks call our ancestors, Patty says I am walking more upright all the time. smile

(I was walking kinda stooped over and leaning to the right more than normal) wink
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That's from sleeping while slumped over your desk at "work". grin
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Maybe you should put up a hammock next to your desk. grin
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Maybe you should put up a hammock next to your desk. grin


I measured it out, not enough room. wink
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Bummer! grin
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BUT the small room does make it easier to reach all the goodies we get over Christmas season! smile (see how I brought this back on topic) wink
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Anything inside that room besides Fruit Rollups?


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Watch out for D/T!!! grin
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Have any of Y'all heard of a book called "The Lost Ways" by Claude Davis? If so, is it any good, is it worth buying?
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