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#1049399 - 06/04/17 10:06 AM Re: Accuracy Based Rifles...lets see what you have! [Re: Architect]
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I just shot it at 100 meters and then put it up. As I said I was using MIL Surp ammo. I am sure with the good stuff and IF I really tried it would have done a lot better. I eventually sold it.
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#1049406 - 06/04/17 02:48 PM Re: Accuracy Based Rifles...lets see what you have! [Re: Architect]
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I took my Ruger American 22-250 to the range the other day, and was hitting 1 inch circles at 100 yards with very little effort. I'm really impressed, especially for a $450 gun.

I put three consecutive shots in a one inch circle to qualify to shoot on the 250 yard range, but I didn't have the guts to try that one.

Once the barrel heated up, it was up to about 1 1/2-2 inches at 100 yards, but its not a target gun, it's a hunting rifle. It'll still kill a coyote at that range.
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#1049407 - 06/04/17 03:50 PM Re: Accuracy Based Rifles...lets see what you have! [Re: Architect]
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I typically get 1" or less from lightweight AR15s until the barrel heats up. Heck, last weekend I was shooting 1/2" groups at 50 yards with WOLF AMMO and a 1x Aimpoint RDS thru my Colt 6920 with a KAC RAS mounted! I used my range bag as a rest.

The accuracy standards have changed - dramatically. I think the past 10 years has made precision truly precise.

A friend shoots high power, etc. He likes a 3/8" gun but has to work up his loads.

A coworker has a DPMS (stainless heavy barrel) that he can squeeze 3/4" out of (with handloads).

These guys use 3 shot groups.

Noveske said they prefer 5 or 10 round tests.

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#1049408 - 06/04/17 03:54 PM Re: Accuracy Based Rifles...lets see what you have! [Re: Architect]
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I didn't want to sound like a butthead. I'm just amazed at how mechanically precise guns are now (compared to 10 years ago).

Ammo selection has an enormous impact.

Those who have the patience and equipment to work up gun specific loads really squeeze every bit of accuracy out of the rifle. The DPMS coworker has a Remington 700 in 6mm with a Leupold 12x on it. He can one-hole that rifle with handloads at 100 yards. I've seen it happen.
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#1049409 - 06/04/17 03:59 PM Re: Accuracy Based Rifles...lets see what you have! [Re: SkunkHunter]
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Originally Posted By: SkunkHunter
I just shot it at 100 meters and then put it up. As I said I was using MIL Surp ammo. I am sure with the good stuff and IF I really tried it would have done a lot better. I eventually sold it.


I'll need to stop using cheap ammo if I want to get serious about accuracy. I typically train with Wolf which is about 10% of the quality of MilSurp, haha.

I've set up a log-book for the Noveske barrel. I'll only use match grade ammo (like Federal GMM) or Mk262.
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#1049410 - 06/04/17 05:12 PM Re: Accuracy Based Rifles...lets see what you have! [Re: Architect]
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The stuff I was using was I THINK 60 something vintage. I shot it during the late 90's. Oh and did I mention it was in cardboard boxes. It was actually I think, pretty good ammo for what I paid for it and would have worked for any Social or UNsocial work out to probably a couple hundred yards or more without any problems. Like I said, I wasn't really trying for small groups that much, just sighting it in. I think I only put MAYBE 50 rounds through it in all the years I had it. Oh and it weighed almost 10 pounds DRY WEIGHT without a scope!
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#1049413 - 06/04/17 05:52 PM Re: Accuracy Based Rifles...lets see what you have! [Re: Architect]
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My Sako (action only the rest is replacement)hunting rifle will put three round of my handloads into one hole at 100yds each time I want to sit down and do it (165gn Nosler Ballistic Tip over ADI AR2208 doing @2590FPS, the projectiles are from around 1989/90 and the powder is dated 1985 wink ). My Weatherby in .300Win (Vanguard so it is a Howa) from 1983 will put my first go handloads into around .75 but there is room for improvement there (180 Nosler Ballistic Tip over AR2213SC doing @2900FPS). Heavy barrels make for steadier shooting from a rest and allow for better heat displacement (and perhaps harmonics)and as such consistency as the no of rounds fired increases. But they are a pig to carry. As I noted above, my Sako with a bipod would actually accomplish about 80% of my precision shooting needs wink


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#1049418 - 06/05/17 12:09 AM Re: Accuracy Based Rifles...lets see what you have! [Re: Architect]
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I kept a log book and targets on my bolt gun for many years. I cleaned it before putting it away.

I stopped keeping a log book for it after I no longer needed the resume.


I only shot Federal Gold Medal Match 168 gr BTHP from it. It liked those the best and they are consistent. I used to buy them by the case just to keep the lot numbers the same and prevent having to re zero.
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#1049638 - 06/28/17 09:37 PM Re: Accuracy Based Rifles...lets see what you have! [Re: Architect]
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I have a Ruger American 22-250 that I shot a 3 shot group I could cover with a nickel (didn't have a dime) from 100 yards. They weren't touching but they were close. And I haven't shot it much yet, only a couple boxes worth.
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#1049640 - 06/28/17 11:34 PM Re: Accuracy Based Rifles...lets see what you have! [Re: Architect]
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I picked up a CZ 550 "Tacticool" in .308 a while back. It has the Boyds Pistol grip stock and a 25.6" heavy barrel. I stuck a Swarovski Z6 2.5-15x56 scope on it.

I still need to get a decent bipod for it. I was thinking of getting a Atlas but that's a bit steep. I might end up with a Harris or Altas knockoff.

I got some decent groups sighting it in but I've been waiting the bipod to see what I can really do with it. It's a bit too hot these days to hit the range so maybe in a few months I'll have some groups to report.
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