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Scrap Yard Gun Talk #1004303 06/09/14 03:38 PM
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I wanted to start a thread so that we could discuss any and all things gun related, that is why I'm keeping the topic very general. If you have something in particular you want to discuss and want feedback that is more specific to your topic then don't hesitate to start a new thread.

I'll add a few pics to get some conversation going. Please note that I am not a photographer and I am using my 2 year old phone in my kitchen with overcast natural lighting coming through the window.

If this thread dies.....it dies (Rocky IV reference).

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I'll chime in...just got a rifle I've wanted for a good while- CZ 527 in 762/39. Feels like you are holding a 10/22 it's so light.

Can't wait to get it out!


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Adam,
Very nice collection. The Smiths are particularly attractive in this age of polymer autoloaders.

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I regret selling my two CZ 452's (22LR and 22WMR). CZ makes a VERY FINE rifle!!!!


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Neat table, BTW.

I've been struggling with the decision to sell my last AKMs. I shipped my two SLR-107FR to the FFL handling the transfer for their buyer just this morning. That leaves me with (3) SLR-106FR (5.56) to sell. I keep wondering if I'd be better off keeping them and selling my ARs. Since I have FN Scars (my go to primary guns) I find the AR15 design redundant. The AKM, on the other hand, is so crude and simple it serves a slightly different purpose: end of the world beater.

I will not keep both the ARs and AKs. One has to go. We simply don't need 250,000,000 rifles.


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Picture for Adam's thread of said SLR-106FR rifles...
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I hope I didn't inadvertently turn this into an AK vs AR debacle. Both are good designs, but they are from different philosophical approaches.


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Originally Posted by Architect
Adam,
Very nice collection. The Smiths are particularly attractive in this age of polymer autoloaders.

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I regret selling my two CZ 452's (22LR and 22WMR). CZ makes a VERY FINE rifle!!!!


probably last gun I would sell would be my 452. I love that gun!


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Neat table, BTW.

This made me chuckle.

Rich - I remeber you talking about that rifle a while back. I'm interested in seeing your range report. I had a Ruger Mini-Thirty that I really liked, but I sold it because I was afraid to run Russian ammo through since they load theirs with .309 - .310 diameter bullets.

Gary - Thank you. I bought the 29 - 2 kind of as a novelty, but now I love that gun. The 325PD is my carry pistol for the moment. Now I'm looking at a Kahr CM45 if they ever make it to the market.


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I can't wait. Tomorrow I interview with a social/civic club that has an outdoor range, so the timing is great.

seems to be a rifle made to shoot inexpensive ammo well. Bought a couple hundred rounds of 154 grain soft points...that is a deer stopper.


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Adam, thank you for starting this thread!

So, that being said, here's my two babies I keep talking about. Yeah, I really like these shotguns.

First up is the PA459-TR with Dark Reaper (skull pattern) camo.
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Next up is the semi auto version. Basic black.
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They are light weight, about 6.5 pounds and fast handling. They have screw in chokes (benelli or beretta mobile choke systems)
and they have really good (soft) recoil pads. Who needs a 12ga.

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The tack driving Skunk Slayer, RWS Diana model 45 in .177

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Just in case you're wondering, I got THREE that afternoon.

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Three what? Squirrels?

I like your shotguns, Randy. They're manufactured in Turkey, correct?


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Three!!!!!!????

Eyeballing a S&W 617 with a 6 in barrel. Since I've decided not to go NFA my trust money becomes gun money...


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Haha, three Skunks Adam. Squirrels, Patty won't let me shoot them. She just doesn't understand OUR Squirrel Problem. wink


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Oh, and Yeah, they are manufactured in Turkey. Same place as I believe the Benelli's and Beretta's are.


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I'm not aware of benelli or berretta being made there. I know stoger and maybe franchi


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Benellis and Berettas are still made in Italy. Stoeger is owned by Beretta, but they're still made in Turkey. Not sure about Franchi.


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^^^^ what he said wink


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IIRC the Franchi's I owned were Italian.


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Well I am in the process of working up some loads for my .375H&H with Woodleigh Hyrdostatically Stabilised 300gn projectiles.... at $56 per 20 projectiles (alone) I hope my first attempts at decent groups are successful....LOL

Then I am also waiting for my Steyr SSG trigger guard to get back from the gunsmith so I can get that all screwed together... wink

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Originally Posted by Spider-Pig
Benellis and Berettas are still made in Italy. Stoeger is owned by Beretta, but they're still made in Turkey. Not sure about Franchi.


I stand corrected and thank you for the information. I just took for granted that since they used the benelli/beretta choke systems that they were made there.


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Do you guys know where in Turkey they are made? Ismir?


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Not sure anyone ever said exactly were in Turkey, but I do know it's a major manufacturer that makes a lot of different (branded) guns.


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YIKES! Well, I hope you get what you're after, Andy. Cape Buffalo?


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Originally Posted by SkunkHunter

I just took for granted that since they used the benelli/beretta choke systems that they were made there.


Benelli has two different chokes systems now. My M2 uses the Crio System, but my M1 uses the original Benelli pattern choke.

They are not interchangeable.

The Crio chokes are for thin wall cryogenically treated barrels only.


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I do not like having to keep two sets of chokes for basically identical shotguns (from the same manufacturer).


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Wonder which chokes the tactical m2 and m4 use


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Originally Posted by Architect
I do not like having to keep two sets of chokes for basically identical shotguns (from the same manufacturer).


That does seem kind of goofy. I remember when I had my Berretta semi (beretta copy of the Benelli, WAY back in the 90's it was a very thin walled barrel.


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I just took for granted that since they used the benelli/beretta choke systems that they were made there.


Benelli has two different chokes systems now. My M2 uses the Crio System, but my M1 uses the original Benelli pattern choke.

They are not interchangeable.

The Crio chokes are for thin wall cryogenically treated barrels only.


My weatherby's are the mobile choke system, and they are ported. I WAS going to put a scope of somekind, a reflex in particular, but I've since changed my mind and am going to leave them be for now. I was just (In the back of my mind) bothered by something sticking up on top of a shotguns receiver. I guess I am REAL old school.

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Don't you already have something sticking up on the receiver? Those open sights are enormous. That's ok as long as they work, and I assume they do or else you would've said something by now.


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If I ever put a pg on my house shotgun then I would put a reflex sight on it.


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Lets talk about favorite non-hunting pistol cartridges. I'm sure most here prefer 9mm or .40, but I'm a big bore guy so I like .45acp. I've even thought about buying a .50GI conversion for my Glock 21 just for grins. The only thing that is stopping me is the ammo is proprietary.


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For me the gun tends to pick the ammo it feels best with so I like 9 40 45 357 I'm not picky wink


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Not me. In my case the cartridge picks the gun every time.


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The handgun cartridges I find useful are:

22LR - training and small game
380Acp - when you can't carry anything else (and BUG)
9mm - when you need lots of rounds
45Acp - preferred self defense option

10mm - best handgun cartridge IMHO (when loaded to real 10mm level unlike 99% of factory ammo). It shoots flat to 100yards, has the recoil of a 40SW, is ballisticaly superior to a 357 Magnum, enough velocity and power for use against 2 and 4 legged predators, is a cross over hunting round, and lastly...is available in a 15rd Glock.

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Originally Posted by Spider-Pig
Not me. In my case the cartridge picks the gun every time.


Ditto.


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Personally I also like a .45. First pistol I ever bought was an H&R Sidkick with a 2 inch barrel. Couldn't hit a barn at 2 feet with that thing! (I was 16 when I bought it). My next was a Llama 45. Not the most accurate either, but got me enamored with the mighty 45!


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If 10mm ammunition wasn't $1.50 / round (when you can find it loaded to real 10mm levels...not 40SW levels) I wouldn't own a 45Acp. There isn't anything a 45Acp can do that a 10mm cannot do better.

10mm is an ideal round for people who live in rural areas. It is probably less than ideal for urbanites. Over penetration could be an issue in a crowd.



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Gary, when the whole Bren 10 thing started I thought the problem with the 10mm was that it had to much recoil for the "Average" cop.


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Since 10mm is so expensive I have a couple of HKs in 45Acp. They're not the best gun for concealed carry, but I appreciate the quality, 100% reliability, and extreme durability / lifespan. The HK USP 45 and HK45 Series are the Busse of the handgun world. There are prettier, and more expensive...but not really anything that is better (overall).

The best shooting handgun I've ever owned was a 45Acp. Les Baer.


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I think the 10mm is a GREAT round, but I always considered it a hunting round even though it never really was intended to be. It's a shame it never really gained very much popularity, but it looks like that might be changing.


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Originally Posted by SkunkHunter
Gary, when the whole Bren 10 thing started I thought the problem with the 10mm was that it had to much recoil for the "Average" cop.


The FBI issued the S&W 1006 uniformly to all agents. Small statured female agents complained about the recoil. Companies responded by reducing the powder charge to 40SW levels. Someone relized there was unused case capacity and cut it down...suddenly the 40 Short & Weak was born.

I've owned 25-30 40SW handguns, and three 10mm. I cannot tell much of a difference shooting 175gr Silvertip Hollow Points through a Glock 20SF as compared to shooting 180gr Hydrashoks through a Glock 23.

I've sold all of my 40SWs because I didn't like the recoil. I know this sounds hypocritical, but consider this...

The 40Sw is typically squeezed into a 9mm package while the 10mm is typically rattling around in a 45Acp package. The larger frame more than makes up the difference in the 10mm's recoil.


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10mm recoil is exaggerated on the errornets. Its much like the so called stopping power of the 45acp. Does a 10mm recoil more than a 9mm? Yes. However, a medium frame 357 Mag is MUCH worse. MUCH MUCH worse. Does the 45Acp have the ability to stop an assailant? Yes. Will it "blow him clean off his feet" (as I've read repeatedly). Absolutely not. Shot placement, bullet selection, clothing penetrated, etc all contribute to the success or failure of the round's performance.




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Originally Posted by Spider-Pig
I think the 10mm is a GREAT round, but I always considered it a hunting round even though it never really was intended to be. It's a shame it never really gained very much popularity, but it looks like that might be changing.


The problem with 10mm is the availability of full house ammo. If Federal or someone similar would start offering 175gr x 1250pfs ammo consistently....you'd see a whole lot of 45Acps going up for sale. Unfortunately, nobody seems interested in offering a good cartridge.


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I've only shot one .40, and I HATED the recoil. The plate in my wrist didn't like that snappy little round, and I have no problem tolerating full house .44 mag loads.


Agreed. 40SW recoil is "abrupt". Many people complain about it. 10mm is nothing like it.

45Acp tend to "push".
9mm tend to "muzzle flip".
40SW tend to "snap".
10mm tend to be a combination of 9 and 45. They sort of "push up and back quickly".


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My LEAST favorite non-hunting HG round is 38 Special. This is because of the guns chambered for it. An Airweight J-Frame with +P ammo SUCKS in the recoil department. If I were to have a full size 357 bore revolver it would be a 357 Mag that I shot 38Spl through for fun. This, in my opinion, is the only purpose for the round.

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I've got an S&W 357 Model 60-10 (I think). Anyway it's a 5 shot 3inch SS 357 mag that carries really nice. I don't traditionally like revolvers, and it's one of only two that I own. The other is my Ruger .357 Convertible with the secondary 9mm cylinder.

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I'm a revolver guy. I LOVE, LOVE, LOVE revolvers. My carry gun is a revolver that shoots .45acp. It's huge but it is made of scandium and titanium alloys so the weight isn't noticeable.


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I saw the picture of it. Uses full moon clips. Can you use half moon clips if you wanted or needed to?


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I use flexible plastic clips at the range. You have to be careful which ammo you use. If the cases aren't crimped on the projectiles properly then the recoil can cause them to become dislodged from the cases. I discovered this when the cylinder wouldn't rotate after the first shot. The projectiles had worked themselves forward out of the cases because there's no magazine to keep them contained. I had to reseat them with a stick so the cylinder would swing out.


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For those of you with children old enough, what was the first firearm you gave them?

My dad gave me an old Springfield single shot .22 bolt action rifle and a bolt action .410 shotgun that he had bought from an old widow for my 10th birthday. I'd love to give the .22 to my son when he's old enough, but it doesn't have a safety and it is a pain to caulk and de-caulk (censors won't let me say [censored]). That breaks my heart because I wanted to continue the tradition. I think I'll be getting him a Savage Rascal with a wooden stock instead, hopefully he can continue the tradition with his son.


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My first gun was a SGW lowered AR15A1 my uncle and I built. I was 10.


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This is if you discount the S&W Victory that I was given as a "test run". The firing pin was removed.


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I was 9.

I've owned AR15s continuously for the past 30 years.


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My first gun was a SGW lowered AR15A1 my uncle and I built. I was 10.


And I got a Red Ryder when I was ten. frown


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It might have been this thread, but mine was an Iver Johnson Single shot hammer fired 20ga. I was 9 or 10. I couldn't even kock it, had to use both hands. I'd put the stock between my legs and grab the hammer with both thumbs on it and could kock it.


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My first gun was a SGW lowered AR15A1 my uncle and I built. I was 10.


And I got a Red Ryder when I was ten. frown

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When I was growing up I lived in a very rural area in an arid climate. When we went shooting we just loaded up the truck and headed for the boonies (about a mile down a dirt road). There was a natural wash that was dry 99% of the time, so we just got in the bottom and did our shooting. Good times.

We don't have that where I live now, so I'm going to get on the two year long waiting list for the local gun club. My son will be a little closer to shooting age by then, and if 2 years turns into 4 then that's perfect. He'll probably get his first rifle before he gets his RMD I bought him when he was born.


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Adam, when I was growing up and was up at Grandma and Grandpa's all I had to do was walk across the dirt road, or go the other direction and climb over an old woven wire fence.


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We could've gotten away with doing the same, but my dad was adamant about being at least 1 mile away from the nearest house.

When I was a kid I was almost shot with a .22 from a neighbors house about aquarter mile away. An accident, but still. Me and my dad were sitting in the barn drinking some tea and a coffee can full of miscellaneous nuts and bolts that I was sitting right next to made a "pop" sound, then we heard the crack in the distance. They were shooting rabbits. From that distance it probably wouldn't have hurt me unless it hit me in the eye or something.


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My first gun was a 20 gauge single shot FIE that Dad won on a punch board and gave to me for my 10th birthday. I've had a lot of guns come and go since then, but that old 20 gauge is still in the closet, and will be until I kick off. Then it'll go to my grandson.



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Adam, the nearest house to Grandma and Grandpa's WAS a mile away, through the woods.


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Just catching up on this thread.

I prefer .40S&W right now (because it's all I own.) During 2013 it was still easy to find ammo while everyone was struggling to find 9mm or .45ACP.

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I tossed it around for a while now and I'm pretty sure that 7.62x39 is my "go to" rifle round.

I admit I really wanted to be a .308 semi auto guy but I think in my hands a something like a decked out SCAR17 will in the end just be a $4K deer rifle slash range toy. And that's pretty much the role I have decided my M1A will play in my collection. I plan to scope it with a 3-9x40 and shoot it primarily with hunting in mind. At some point I think I will put a walnut stock and I'm thinking a SWFA fixed power scope will do nicely on it. Other than that I will probably never invest in multiple thousands of rounds of ammo. I may not even take my other 20 round makes out of the wrappers.

Now the Arsenal AKs I have are a different story. I will probably shoot the snot of those rifles. I can see investing a little money into these rifles ans setting them up for most things I could want a rifle for. I'm thinking a Hi-Lux CMR on a MI mount is going on my 101 in the near future. And I'm thinking I may put some kind of tactically rail system on my 107 and eventually mount a decent red dot sight on it. I also have my CZ527 in 7.62x39 and I'm about to go pick up the scope I have been wanting for this rifle from the PO right now. So I'm well on my way to being a x39 guy. I was eyeballing a Vepr with a 23" barrel the other day and the cheap VZ2008 rifles look like good trunk/truck rifles. Plus I can actually afford the cost of a couple thousand rounds of 7.62x39 ammo. That along with picking up a box here or there when I see it will keep me shooting well after the prices get crazy or the shelves go bare from another panic buying spree.

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I prefer .40S&W right now (because it's all I own.) During 2013 it was still easy to find ammo while everyone was struggling to find 9mm or .45ACP.


I've gone back and forth on 9mm vs. 40S&W. I hate that 9mm is one of the first to leave the shelves during these stupid panics but pretty much any and all calibers are subject to run dry these days. At least with 9mm I can afford a couple extra boxes that I may not have in the budget with 40 or 45.

I think 9mm and .357 will be my "go to" pistol calibers over the next few years. 9mm for everything and .357 for everything else. I have others but I can't see any reasons to make a significant investment in them. I doubt I will miss them other than the trips to the range if the shelves empty out again. I think a compac and full size 9mm and a nice hefty S&W 627 will cover everything I could want to do.


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Around here the only pistol caliber ammunition left on the shelves was 10mm auto. It made me want to buy a Glock 20 since I'm a fan of the cartridge anyway.


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Glad to see ya back again lazi. Ya need to hang out here more.

Never shot a 10mm Adam. Someone though (Arch maybe) said that they aren't really that bad in a glock. (Recoil wise)


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I like the Witness 10mm in stainless a bonus is you can put any kit on it from the now elusive 22lr up to 45acp.
http://www.impactguns.com/eaa-witness-10mm-steel-full-size-15-rd-mags-999220-741566107016.aspx

I thought about getting a x39 AR upper for my extra lower as a cheap plinking/training rifle.
https://sotaarms.com/component/jshopping/product/view/2/5?Itemid=0
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Spent yesterday at the Aussie SHOT Show here in Sydney, some interesting gear but I managed to get out spending VERY little. Some .375 300gn Hydrostatic Stabilised projectiles, some gunstock wax and some key lights. I COULD have spent much more...LOL I did find ADI out here is loading 168gn Sierra BTHPs in .308 and Winchester is marketing them, so I will have to try those, they are also doing a few different .300BO loadings, I don't have a .300BO but this may push me over the edge... wink

Spent the afternoon mounting a Leupold MKIV on my SSG... smile

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sounds like a good time Andy. Have you heard of these guys and if so what do you think?
http://www.outbackammo.com.au/


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That is in fact the ADI (Australian Defence Industries) ammunition I mentioned in the post above mate. Traditionally ADI has made BRILLIANT ammunition so I am pretty excited to try some of this out ... smile

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OK perfect it just made it over the pond to us so I will give it a try then.
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I'm glad to be back Randy.

I really wanted a S&W 610 a few years back. Well, I still want one but it just made more sense when I was shooting 40S&W. I still can't help but look at the EAA 10mm pistols but I think .357 is more practical for me. A nice stainless with 4" barrel that can do nightstand duty and also go hunting with during the season.

I would also like to get a nice lever action or at least a handi rifle in .357 at some point. I'm actually leaning towards the handi rile these days since they are simple and cheap and can be used during primitive weapon season here. A lot of guys here are reaming them out to .357 maximum for a little extra kick. I can't say I would get into maximum that much but it would be nice to have it as an option. And another nod for the handi rifle is to have it on hand for inexperienced shooters and the few people that I try to convince to go hunting with me. I have a 45/70 handi I got for primitive weapon season but I have determined that its a little too much for new shooters. With the handy we can load up .38 specials nd have fun. Later we can hit the woods with .357 mags and put some meat on the menu.


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I was going to buy a Rossi ranch rifle in 44mag (unlike the USA we classify them as rifles in Canada)
But bought a TGLB instead


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I want a 10mm, just can't decide the flavor.
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Dan Wesson Valor

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USFA SAA .45 Colt

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Thats a nice collection Sumo, do you hand load the 375HH?


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.375H&H is what those .300gn Hydros are for .. laugh

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How is it compared to a 45/70 power wise I have a single shot available in my area and I have been thinking about it.


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.375H&H leaves 45/70 in the dust. The 45/70 IS a great bush rifle and there is not much on the planet you cannot take with one if you bear in mind it's limitations. The H&H round was devised as the all round African round, you can take planes game "well out there" and Buff etc in where it counts. There are round that fill both needs individually BETTER than the H&H but few that are so versitile.

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Isn't it also the minimum allowed by law to hunt dangerous game in Africa?


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Yes. Handloading is the only way for most of my stuff.


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HH is more versatile as it can b downloaded to .30-06 levels an up.


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I agree Sumo I hand-load everything now.

Ok cool thanks Andy looks like I may need to give that single shot a harder look.


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I have a .300H&H that I've considered having rebarreled for .375.


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If the firearm in question is a strong modern action it can be loaded up to very impressive levels
A Ruger #1 can be hot loaded to ALMOST approach 458 winning
I have a 450 marlin which is essentially a modern 45/70 and there isn't anything on North America that I wouldn't hunt with it

Now the 375 H&H is in a completely different class than the 45/70 both in terms of versatility and reach

The only animal that I have personally seen shot with a 375 was a grizzly that my brother harvested a couple of years ago

The 375 hit with AUTHORITY
Originally Posted by greaser
How is it compared to a 45/70 power wise I have a single shot available in my area and I have been thinking about it.


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Yes in parts of Africa .375H&H is the minimum for dangerous game, some argue that it is light on for Cape Buffalo but I am willing to bet it will serve me just fine (as it has many many others). I have taken more than my share of Asiatic Buffalo with mine (a looooong time ago now) and I was knocking the snot out of them with 300gn Sierras. They are arguably as hard as a Cape Buff just not as romanticised wink Newer projectiles such as the Woodleigh Hydros lift them up further in performance.

I can also use my H&H day in and out without ill effect, many 45/70s will pummel you worse !!! That said, I would love a marlin "Guide Gun" in 45/70...!!!!!

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Lately I've been thinking I want a S&W Model 13 (blue) or 65 (stainless). Fixed sights and bull barrel, they're really speaking to me right now.


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K Frame S&W revolvers are something special. My recommendation to non "gun" people for a carry piece is always a K Frame S&W. My personal favourite is the 10/64 or 13/65 in three inch. The round butt preferably but mine was a square. I had one of my own and one of the Govt's for a good number of years and never once felt as though I were at a disadvantage. I shot either exceptionally well and (as I demonstrated more than a couple of times) could worry a hostile greatly wink at 50yds with that little 'Smith.

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My favorite k frame is rd butt 65 with a 3" brl. Still on the outlook for a replacement.


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I'm looking for a dedicated shooter. I would love a department trade-in.


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I think Y'all are talking about my revolver.

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Both mine are there in the pics .... wink

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I really wish that mine were a 6 shooter, but you can't have everything.


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wow those are some crazy prices on that first one I am glad I hand load them so that second one is much appreciated.
thanks


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Originally Posted by Andy the Aussie

I can also use my H&H day in and out without ill effect, many 45/70s will pummel you worse !!! That said, I would love a marlin "Guide Gun" in 45/70...!!!!!


I can attest to this for sure my light little lever really knocks the heck out of your shoulder. I loaded up some mildly hot loads for it, just 20 and I still have 5 of them they are limited to new friends(before someone warns them lol) and are a here try one of these loads. lol


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Originally Posted by Spider-Pig
I would love a department trade-in.


Its hard to beat the deals on the trade ins.

this is my favorite style for a revolver and since the snake colts are way to spendy now it will probably be a tarus.
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Handled a Springfield Armory operator TRP... It was sweet! Sooo what 45acp guns do you guys run?


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Yeah I'm been dreaming about a S&W 617 K frame


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The two guns I have that are chambered in .45ACP are a S&W 325PD and a Glock 21 Gen 3.

The S&W is lightweight carry revolver which has tremendous muzzle flip for obvious reasons, but I still love it.

The Glock is a joy to shoot. Right now I'm waiting for a tungsten guide rod to arrive in the mail.

I would like to try out a CZ97.


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I've got a gen3 g22. My only complaint is the grip sides are to smooth for my liking. I don't get the sure grip I want. Exspecially when your shooting out in the summer heat.


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My 1 gripe is also with the grip, but it's the hump I don't like. There's a guy about an hour from here that does frame mods, but he's so backed up that he's not taking orders. So close, yet so far away!


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I run an XM in 45acp and a 1911 as well, I like the XM because I think its about as close as you can get to feel of the 1911 in a double stack.

I have never been a fan of the Glocks because of the feel of them but it is hard to talk bad about them because of there track record.


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I'd love a professional grip reduction and stipple job. To need the plastic of the gen4 frames feels harder and thinner. But it may just be the texture job throwing me off. I held a h&k usp but I don't have large hands and it feels like I'm griping a brick. The 1911 grip feels good. The sig p220 felt odd because of the grip angle.
The FNX45 felt good. I haven't felt an m&p45 grip yet


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Originally Posted by gun dog
Sooo what 45acp guns do you guys run?
..... FN made Mauser 98 .. laugh

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Well that's different...


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Sweet set up, what kind of yardage is it good for? I am looking at a 45acp carbine and was wondering how much if any extra punch the longer barrel provides.


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I have not played with this one enough to really say mate, it would certainly be ammunition dependent. I think 185s would be best as the 230s drop like rocks.... LOL I use this to produce brass to reform into 38/45JWH for my 1911... wink

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Hmmm that is an interesting little round sounds like a bigger badder version of the 357 sig. How much does it shorten the life of the brass?


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Lots, seems each case is inly good for 3-5 reloads now. It is a pretty stressful transformation.

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The only thing in .45 acp that I have owned is a FNP45. Never having had a .45 acp pistol I got it because it was a large capacity .45 that felt pretty good in hand. I haven't shot it in a few years though. It just isn't my caliber of choice. I still really want a CZ97B though. That CZ97 is a good looking firearm and it seems like it would make for a good option for the night stand.

As for revolvers I think a S&W 627 will be what I'm going with.



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Anybody jumped on one of the VS2008 packages yet?


Mighty tempting... Bet these would be hog poison with a red dot.


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Originally Posted by lazi
That CZ97 is a good looking firearm and it seems like it would make for a good option for the night stand.



This is my first CZ family pistol and with as nice as this one is it wont be my last.
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Originally Posted by Andy the Aussie
Lots, seems each case is only good for 3-5 reloads now. It is a pretty stressful transformation.


Yeah it seems like they would stress that neck out pretty quick. I may look into it more though would be a nice carry round in a 1911 with just a barrel change needed.


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Originally Posted by lazi
Anybody jumped on one of the VS2008 packages yet?


Mighty tempting... Bet these would be hog poison with a red dot.


Yes they are almost getting back down to B.O. prices.


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Originally Posted by greaser
Originally Posted by lazi
That CZ97 is a good looking firearm and it seems like it would make for a good option for the night stand.



This is my first CZ family pistol and with as nice as this one is it wont be my last.
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Oh mama, I like the looks of that!


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Originally Posted by greaser
Originally Posted by lazi
That CZ97 is a good looking firearm and it seems like it would make for a good option for the night stand.



This is my first CZ family pistol and with as nice as this one is it wont be my last.
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I've been wanting a EAA Witness for a while now. The ones I've seen locally all had a $100 or so added to the tag.

Those Sarslimaz pistols got down to some pretty low prices for a while if I recall. Just googled it... Basically a Witness for $250 and accepts CZ newer style mags is what I just read. I also didn't know there was a steel version at some point. I can't say I have seen many if any bad reviews on any if the CZ pistols or the clones.

Already blew my budget with a scope and some knick knacks so I'm just talking. I think...

You know, I do still need to replace my M&P40 with a full sized 9mm like I had intended. I was also leaning towards a Hi-Power clone for a budget pistol purchase at some point. Mostly just something not too expensive to have here or there when needed. There's a HiPower clone called the Arcus DA98 that gets some decent marks and has a metal frame that I was leaning towards. I liked the idea of the added heft but realistically I'm not tough enough on any of my gear to think it matters that much. And seeing as how a CZ75 SP-01 is still very high in my list for a main 9mm full sized carry pistol the SAR actually seems a more attractive fit. Shared mags and similar build and all...

Definitely something to think about for the b-day....


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I am more than impressed with it for the 240 I paid you cant even come close to it. Buds gun shop still has some decent prices on them, I got it because I wanted a in between carry piece and after some range time I think it will more than suffice.


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Just ordered a Haley Strategic Partners DC3 chest rig and the trimmings. Got a discount so I decided to try it. Also got my g-code incog in the mail at my folks. Will pick it up later this week. Also got a double pistol mag holder from them.


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Looks like a good set of gear too bad the chest rig doesn't have plate carriers but that is easy enough to remedy.


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Yeah I liked a low profile part and it can be worn under backpack straps easily. Very easy to mount on a player carrier. I'm saving for the SKD PIG. Seems to be a very nice carrier add ar500 plates and ready to rock. Buying slowly as funds allow.

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Stumbled across a M44 (maybe M38) that would save me the cost of shipping and the FFL fee. Sure is tempting...


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Jeff,
I love your Dan Wesson, USGI 1911A1, and 29!


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Originally Posted by gun dog
Handled a Springfield Armory operator TRP... It was sweet! Sooo what 45acp guns do you guys run?


Over the past 30 years I've had over three dozen 1911 variations, a dozen Sig P220 variations, six Glock 21/30/36, seven USP45, three HK45 CT, S&W 1917 US, Colt 1917 US, EAA Witness, Ruger P90, S&W CS45, and at least 15-20 more I can't think of at the moment.

I sold my Les Baer Custom Carry and Les Baer SRP earlier this year. I seriously regret this, and will have another Baer.

Currently, I have:

HK45 Compact Tactical
HK USP45
Springfield Armory TRP


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WOW that's a lot of guns!

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That's just the 45 ACPs. This excludes all of the 22LR, 22Mag, 25 Acp, 32 Acp, 380 Acp, 38 Long Colt, 38 Special, 9x19mm, 40 S&W, 7.62x25mm, 357 Sig , 357 Mag, 10mm, 45 GAP, 45 (Long) Colt, 44 Magnum handguns I've had. wink


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Good grief...... That's amazing!


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I am really interested in the 45 long colt what firearms were you running it in?


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The 45 Colts included a Ruger Vaquero, Ruger Convertible Blackhawk (2 cylinders), and a Winchester 94.

45 Colt in its factory load offerings is WEAK. However, a hand loader can really bring out its potential (as long as you're shooting them through an overbuilt gun like the Blackhawk).


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The 94 was a "Trails End" model - very sexy.

I'd like to pick up a Marlin 1985 SBL in 45-70. I don't have a real need for it, but it would fuel my dream of an Alaskan adventure (what I dream of doing as a retirement present in about 99 years).


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Okay, I'm buying something this week!

Just have to figure out what...


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Do some research on the marlins Arch there are bad years for them I would hate to see you get a lemon.

I would be hand loading the 45lc you will find the 45/70 is the same way factory loads are made for trap door guns and are really weak. Is the black hawk double action? I really want my revolver to be double action.

That sar is calling to you Lazi.


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The Blackhawk is single action. Ruger's big double action is the Redhawk.


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Do they do that one in 45lc?
This is what I am thinking I want for my one and only revolver.
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454c and 45lc

I really like the colt snakes and this is about as close as I can get that will fire the long colt.


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The Redhawk is chambered in .44 Mag and .45 Colt.

The Super Redhawk is chambered in .44 Mag, .454 Casull, and .480 Ruger.


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OK thanks Spidey.


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No problem!


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It's a shame that Colt got out of the revolver business.


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They stopped making the SAA?


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I should've been specific. They stopped making DA revolvers.

Thanks for catching that.


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Man, you scared me. I have been saving up for a SAA for a long time. Although they probably will discontinue them before I have enough money for one. LOL.


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Sorry about that. At least you're not saving up for a new Anaconda.

I just dropped a money order in the mail for an old beater Colt Woodsman. I sure would like those make a return.


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Yeah the snakes are going for crazy money now. I wish I would have bought the king cobra I was offered years ago. I would like to see them bring out a new run of them, I don't think it will ever happen but it would be nice.


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I have heard many good things over the years about the Woodsman.


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So if somebody gave you $1650 for a 1911 what would you get.
I'm looking at Dan Wesson, springfield Armory TRP operator, or para ordanace black ops, or colt rail gun and do some work. Or sig and add work.
By work I mean get rid of all MIM parts.


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Originally Posted by gun dog
So if somebody gave you $1650 for a 1911 what would you get.


Coonan .357 mag...


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I don't have anything to offer since I've only ever fired one 1911. I do know the railed Colts are heavy.


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Originally Posted by gun dog
So if somebody gave you $1650 for a 1911 what would you get.
...SIG 220 or a Glock 21 and if you could find it an S&W 4516, the FNs are also nice but I don't have enough range time with one.. smile Yes...I do know that none are a 1911 BTW wink and yes I do happen to have a worked over Colt 1911 and love it "but" and it is the "but" that is the problem. Just as long as it is not your only working tool in that field the 1911 is OK.

I would take a Browning HP over a 1911 each and everyday of the week... eek wink

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Originally Posted by Andy the Aussie

I would take a Browning HP over a 1911 each and everyday of the week... eek wink


This time I disagree with you Andy but it may just be my affinity for the 1911 that is tainting my opinion of the Hi-power (they are great guns just not better than the 1911 for me).


I would get any of the name brand ones in the 5 to 9 hundred dollar range change anything you didn't like then buy a XD45 to go with it. LOL at least that's what I did.

SIG
Springfield
Ruger
Ect....
even the Taurus if you factor in a duracoat or ceracoat job is a great choice.
Get some Wilson combat mags and you are good to go.


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I've heard the Springfield Range Officer is a good starting point.


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Originally Posted by greaser

This time I disagree with you Andy but it may just be my affinity for the 1911 that is tainting my opinion of the Hi-power (they are great guns just not better than the 1911 for me).combat mags and you are good to go.
.... indeed mate, this is a very very personal thing... and there really is no "right and wrong" only what is right for me vs you. Having owned both at different times (funnily enough I don't have a BHP at the moment)there is just nothing the 1911 does better for me... especially put holes in targets just where I want them. But as noted, I also have a 1911 and have done since the 80s..... wink It is not a case of dislike, not by any streatch of the imagination.... smile

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I hear you and agree it is just a personal choice thing as with most firearms some just work for you while others don't.


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Yep I will always have glocks. As for the sig I just haven't shot da/Sa enough to get a feeling for it. And sigs girl angle is nothing like the glocks I grew up on. But heck I will probably have all eventually lol


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Originally Posted by gun dog
So if somebody gave you $1650 for a 1911 what would you get.
I'm looking at Dan Wesson, springfield Armory TRP operator, or para ordanace black ops, or colt rail gun and do some work. Or sig and add work.
By work I mean get rid of all MIM parts.


None of the above.

For $1650 you're in striking distance of a Les Baer Custom Carry. Its all the 1911 you'll ever need.


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Regarding the 1911's suitability as a "field gun"....
I agree and disagree with Andy.

I wouldn't take a "hobby grade" MIM filled 1911 into harm's way unless "harm's way" is defined as a trip to WalMart with a low round count MIM gun. Past that, and I'll take a Glock or HK any day.

Once you break the ceiling, and start looking at Les Baer, Ed Brown, Wilson, Springfield Pro, etc. then yes I would wholeheartedly take that 1911 anywhere.

I've owned dozens of 1911's, and have worn out Mimbers (yes, this is a slam on Kimber's extensive use of MIM parts), broken a Colt, blew up a MilSpec Springfield, and had a several Para Ords that wouldn't go bang reliably. I've had a Sig 1911 that went back to the factory so many times I swore I'd never own another one of their current products. The sights FELL OFF the Taurus I had, and the Llama...well...it was a Llama.

I've never had a problem with original Series 70 Colts, US Property Marked 1911s (some of which were EXTREMELY high round count rebuilds) or Les Baers.

I can have any 1911 I want, and I choose Les Baer. They aren't as refined as an Ed Brown, and they aren't "made to order" like a Wilson but I believe them to be more reliable / duty qualified and they're more accurate in my experience. They also can be had for $500-1500 less.


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I have a Springfield TRP as a "beater". The FL guide rod is in the trash can, and a EB GI plunger has been installed. I plan on one of two courses of action (in due time):

A) Sell it and buy another Les Bear.

B) Send it to Springfield's Custom Shop for replacement of all MIM parts.

Regardless if I keep the TRP in its factory guise, rebuilt by the CS, or sell it - I will have another Les Baer.

Out of the hundreds of handguns I've shot the LB was the only one that really put a smile on my face. It just "fit" and was more accurate than it needs to be.


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Ok I will check in les


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You'll be well served by a LB. People will say Ed Brown is finished better, and Wilson has more options and better Customer Service. However, the few people I've heard of having problems with their LB spoke directly to Les, and I'll spend the $800 difference between a LB Custom Carry and EB Special Forces on ammo.


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I've considered buying a Les Baer a few times.

The first time I heard of Les Bear was from a book I read back in the '90's, "The Relic." I look into them every 5 years or so. I love the thought of having one, but it would only be a range gun for me. My carry gun will not have a manual safety, and my fighting gun will be high capacity. That doesn't leave any room for the Baer, so I doubt I'll ever own one. A CZ97 will probably be the closest I ever come.

I'm hoping gun dog gets the Les Baer, only because I know he'll love it.



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Les bears are sick 1911s but mine is a range queen that I am slowly building up, yes it will cost the same in the long run but into the short run I was able to buy it and a real carry gun plus have money for ammo. Not disagreeing with you Arch I am just thinking that GD has a small collection why not build it up a bit. My Taurus pt1911 has been flawless (I did change the sights) and Wilson combat non mim parts are easy to be had. This is where I am coming from.


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What are y'alls opinions on the Guncrafter Industries 1911s?


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The lesbear recon is close to what I want but I think the price tag is $2300!


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Wilson light rail looks to be about $3200 and the equivalent night hawk is about the same price. Ouch... So who makes 1911s that don't use MIM parts?


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Good info between the brand fighting here. Lol
http://forums.1911forum.com/showthread.php?t=282723

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I have no interest in having another railed 1911. The balance is dreadful. Honestly, I know the conventional wisdom is to put a light on your fighting handgun (and I espoused this for years) but in practice it isn't ideal.

When just "looking around" because you heard a noise - pointing your gun at what could be your neighbor doesn't make them happy (ask how I know this).

Lights make holster selection, and carry comfort difficult.

I keep a light on my nightstand gun, but not my carry gun. I carry a high quality light with me (clipped in my weak hand back pocket). This allows the light to be used the 99.9999999999999999999999999999999% of the time I just need a flashlight, but it can be used in conjunction with the weapon if needed.


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Originally Posted by Spider-Pig
What are y'alls opinions on the Guncrafter Industries 1911s?


No personal experience, but I've read high praise from people: a) claiming to own and use them; b) claiming to own and use the other big names.


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I do think a duty sidearm needs a light. Different situation. You're carrying an exposed sidearm in a more durable holster and have a separate light on your belt.


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Originally Posted by greaser
Good info between the brand fighting here. Lolhttp://forums.1911forum.com/showthread.php?t=282723


That link made me laugh, because it references the early non-MIM Sig 1911s. I had one of those - it went back to Sig no less than seven times.

I forgot to add S&W to the list of 1911s I've had. I've owned three of their guns.

Right or wrong I separate gun owners into five categories:

LEVEL ONE = people who own a gun. It doesn't matter why they have it - it doesn't how they acquired it. They have a gun but that's the extent of it.

LEVEL TWO = commoners. These are the people that bought a gun because they thought they needed one (for hunting, self defense, whatever). They use whatever they bought and are satisfied.

LEVEL THREE = hobbyist. This is lowest level of "gun personhood". These are the people are truly interested in guns, talk about them, own and use them. They are also satisfied with "good enough". This means their Rock River AR15 is "good enough" and the extra attention, quality control, and manufacturing processes and materials of a Colt AR15 are just hype - just a marketing tool to rob dumb people of extra money.

LEVEL FOUR = semi-pros. This is where people who actually push their gear end up. These aren't the "it looks like the real thing so it has to be good enough" crowd. They've seen LEVEL THREE people's gear fail - repeatedly.

LEVEL FIVE = pros. This is the elite group of users, builders, etc that are at the apex of the gun culture.

I place myself at LEVEL FOUR.


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At the height of my training and interest I was shooting 5-7000 rounds a month of centerfire ammo.


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This level quickly separates the wheat from the chaff. I wore out a top of the line Kimber in less than four months. They sent me a new one. This was a $1400 gun (over a decade ago $1400 bought a lot more gun).


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I use to shoot with someone I'd place at LEVEL FIVE. His issue Glock 21 had a frame rail separation one day when he hit 61,000rds of +P.


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My uncle has a buddy on his department that had the slide fall off the front of his glock... But he is a level 5 and getting up in the 3gun ranks.

So in a 1911 which is better. A series 70 or 80 firing system.
To me it looks like the high end uses 70 from my limited research.


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I am a level 4 with a level 3 budget so I buy the good enough guns then spend more than the level 5 guns money getting them to level 4.


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I'm a blend of the 3.5 I get the best I can buy but quality is key for me.


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This has turned into a VERY good and interesting/informative thread.


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