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#1051240 - 09/22/17 08:10 AM 21 Foot rule Debunked!
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Interesting, something we should all see and think about. Doug Marcaida explains.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2fjMpn7JCJ0


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#1051243 - 09/22/17 04:52 PM Re: 21 Foot rule Debunked! [Re: SkunkHunter]
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In some ways I like the part of dropping to his back to gain space/time.

You seen the video of police in Nicaragua trying to deal with a guy with a knife? That's a deadly lesson on what a person with a knife can do. Plus their need to let police engage with their firearms. People are crazy thinking there's a lot police can do with someone wielding a knife...that person can be deadly.
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#1051245 - 09/23/17 01:16 AM Re: 21 Foot rule Debunked! [Re: SkunkHunter]
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A gun is only dangerous in one direction at a time (IF you can see the hole in the end, that's where the little chunk of lead comes out of).

A knife, is deadly in ANY direction. Just cause it isn't pointed at you doesn't make it any less dangerous. Poke jab slash and cut all at the same time in any direction.

Oh and NO haven't seen the video of police in Nicaragua dealing with a knife wielder I don't think.


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#1051254 - 09/24/17 01:49 AM Re: 21 Foot rule Debunked! [Re: SkunkHunter]
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I think the video proves that at 21ft you are pretty much screwed. Even we’ll trained it was close. I want my gun at the ready if anyone is in that range.
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#1051255 - 09/24/17 02:04 AM Re: 21 Foot rule Debunked! [Re: SkunkHunter]
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I am with you Sethro. We did our own UNofficial test here several years ago and NO one could pull and fire before they were stabbed 2-3 times. So MY "Rule of living" is that if they are that close and they twitch, they are getting shot.
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#1051256 - 09/24/17 02:20 AM Re: 21 Foot rule Debunked! [Re: SkunkHunter]
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The 21 foot rule was misinterpreted years ago. What it was supposed to mean was that within 21 foot there was a really good chance you were going to get stabbed.

Moving off of center laterally and more distance is always your friend.
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#1051257 - 09/24/17 02:49 AM Re: 21 Foot rule Debunked! [Re: SkunkHunter]
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MOST folks I would think would be further hindered by the "Startle reflex" (don't know what else to call it). What I mean is that once someone notices an action it takes some time to take action on their own which gives the "Subject" additional time to close the distance.
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#1051266 - 09/24/17 10:53 AM Re: 21 Foot rule Debunked! [Re: SkunkHunter]
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I agree. In that video the shooter knew he was going to be attacked and still could not draw his pistol in time. Only when he dropped to the ground was he able to draw. But he still heard the attacker approach and knew he was about to be attacked. Also, most people cannot be in Condition Red the entire time they are out in public. I guess you just have to do the best you can.
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#1051334 - 09/29/17 11:12 PM Re: 21 Foot rule Debunked! [Re: MonkeyBomb]
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Originally Posted By: MonkeyBomb
The 21 foot rule was misinterpreted years ago. What it was supposed to mean was that within 21 foot there was a really good chance you were going to get stabbed.

Moving off of center laterally and more distance is always your friend.
...... this exactly...lateral movement fuggs up a charge. I still don't like the odds but better than trying to out draw them from stationary.

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#1051340 - 09/30/17 08:37 AM Re: 21 Foot rule Debunked! [Re: SkunkHunter]
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As I had said earlier, I AGREE that if someone is within 21 feet you (Unless you have Andy's or MB's reflexes) wink gonna get cut, possibly VERY bad if not fatally.
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#1051351 - 09/30/17 03:15 PM Re: 21 Foot rule Debunked! [Re: SkunkHunter]
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LOL, My reflexes almost guarantee I will get cut by someone within 21 feet. Unless they are a turtle or having a seizure midway through their charge wink
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#1051352 - 09/30/17 04:07 PM Re: 21 Foot rule Debunked! [Re: SkunkHunter]
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Hey It could happen MB. They may be high on grass or have a brain aneurysm from all that crack!
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#1051353 - 09/30/17 04:08 PM Re: 21 Foot rule Debunked! [Re: SkunkHunter]
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Oh and I WOULD get cut. I'm not really slow, and I'm not really fast. I guess you could say I'm half fast. grin wink
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#1051355 - 09/30/17 06:44 PM Re: 21 Foot rule Debunked! [Re: SkunkHunter]
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I could get away with a drop and roll. The attacker would be laughing so hard he would probably stab himself.
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#1051356 - 09/30/17 07:21 PM Re: 21 Foot rule Debunked! [Re: SkunkHunter]
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Haha, that makes two of us Ray.
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