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Re: Help, Need New First Aid Scenario [Re: SARHound] #148018 12/03/07 08:45 PM
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Hey hound. i've been looking at a local SAR group and thinking about joining. What pack do you use for carrying around your too much gear?


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Re: Help, Need New First Aid Scenario [Re: Wiggitty] #148019 12/04/07 12:13 AM
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That is the kind of guy you would want if it was your kid but the guy who took
the clothes to use on the live kids was right but that would be a hard one to live with. I have heard about kids who were underwater in freezing conditions for 45 minutes and brought back to life.


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Re: Help, Need New First Aid Scenario [Re: Wiggitty] #148020 12/04/07 12:13 AM
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question #2: what knife/knives do you take out with you?


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Re: Help, Need New First Aid Scenario [Re: SARHound] #148021 12/04/07 12:16 AM
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Wow you are the real do or die deal, I have great respect for you and your and thows in said line of work. Thank you.

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Well the scenario was this past weekend. It was the second half or a 36 hr course for advanced SAR candidates.

So I ask, was this a Pass/fail test not just a practice and/or drill?

if a test how many of the seven passed?


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Re: Help, Need New First Aid Scenario [Re: Wiggitty] #148022 12/04/07 01:24 AM
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Hey hound. i've been looking at a local SAR group and thinking about joining. What pack do you use for carrying around your too much gear?

Packs are much like boots there isnt one that fits all. Most of the guys use a 40-50 liter volume top loader that has extension collars for stuff extra bulk inside. Any larger and we run the risk of packing too much.

Many civilian packs are tough these days and they fit the bill without breaking the bank. I personally use a Canadian brand called Mountain Equipment co-op. Decent gear for a good price. The model I use is the Alpine 45.

http://www.mec.ca/Products/product_detai...D=1196738488243

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My suggestion would be to try on many and add 30% to your expected load out volume. Fit is everything.

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Re: Help, Need New First Aid Scenario [Re: Unsub] #148023 12/04/07 01:37 AM
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That is the kind of guy you would want if it was your kid but the guy who took
the clothes to use on the live kids was right but that would be a hard one to live with. I have heard about kids who were underwater in freezing conditions for 45 minutes and brought back to life.

Yup, he was motivated no question. From a medical rescue perspective even if the kids did have a chance of coming back in a couple hrs they needed ACLS care and a hospital with rewarming facilites. Evac was 10 hrs away. Limbs were freezing solid after we arrived, they had been down we guessed 6 hrs before. Loooong gone. It just took him some time to realize it.

It wasnt just clothes the other medic took it was entire hypothermia wraps to use on the other subjects. Even they succumed as once your core temp goes you need a warm water body cavity flush in a matter of minutes or its over eventually.

A true learning experience.

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Re: Help, Need New First Aid Scenario [Re: Wiggitty] #148024 12/04/07 01:46 AM
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question #2: what knife/knives do you take out with you?

There are 3 Rat heads on the team and one Hog. We are pushing the products and making headway when they see what they do.

There is a Battlerat
Ratweiler original (mine)
Camp Tramp (my buddy's)
A Steel heart of some vintage

A smattering of Beckers, Kbars, Ontarios etc... round out the favs

The blade philosphy varies a bit on the teams but generally you either carry a small fixed blade and a fold down saw or you carry a larger blade and a SAK type folder. Some will carry a machette and at times we will hump in a chain saw.

My personal loadout for SAR ops is my RW, a SAK Fireman, and a Fiskars saw.

If it cant be done with those it cant be done.

When others see the RW chew up wood in record time they tend to gravitate towards large blades. Especially if they attend my survival course.

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Re: Help, Need New First Aid Scenario [Re: james_bond] #148025 12/04/07 01:55 AM
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Well the scenario was this past weekend. It was the second half or a 36 hr course for advanced SAR candidates.

So I ask, was this a Pass/fail test not just a practice and/or drill?

if a test how many of the seven passed?

It was a course so its pass fail. We started with 8 one had to be evacd due to injury out so he will not pass and have to wait a year to retry.

Out of the seven about 6 will pass at this point. I haven't tallied the info yet (too busy chatting wit y'all) <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

Just to give you an idea of attrition. When someone walks through the doors we get 40-50 people who start training. Of the 50 at 1.5 years only 6-8 make it to my course. Out of my course only 2-3 will lead teams in the woods at year 2.5-3 from join date.

Team leader level is not for everyone and some stop at my course level and dont go any further, some stop at the course before mine and are comfortable with that.

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Re: Help, Need New First Aid Scenario [Re: Wiggitty] #148026 12/05/07 06:36 PM
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Hey hound. i've been looking at a local SAR group and thinking about joining.

Phone them and attend a meeting. Not all SAR groups are hard core or even take it seriously. I hope yours is not like that. Either way its a worth while pursuit serving your community. You may even learn some stuff along the way.

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Re: Help, Need New First Aid Scenario [Re: SARHound] #148027 12/05/07 06:40 PM
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Glad the course went well. Unsub posted some unusual items in another thread that included lockpicks and slim jims. It made me think about an upcoming potential survival situation.

What if you are stranded in a city? Chemical, nuclear, bio attack has shut down all of the major routes in and out and contaminated the water. Most of our kits focus on firestarting and shelters. Shelter may or may not be an issue, but concrete does not burn so well. I suspect you may have to deal with many hositles was well if you had anything of value.

All BOB and survial kits I have seen are focused on what we would do in the wilderness after fleeing the city. What if we can't leave or are sent in to rescue and are then stranded?

Re: Help, Need New First Aid Scenario [Re: lighthiker] #148028 12/06/07 04:10 AM
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You are not located in North Van are you?


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Re: Help, Need New First Aid Scenario [Re: coyotebc] #148029 12/06/07 10:33 AM
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Nope Opposite end.;)

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