If you can only grab one of each, what are you throwing over your shoulder and strappin on ya belt?


1. SY DMCG
2. Remington 700 XCR (chambered in 30.06)
3. Glock 26


what say you?

I'd strap a flask of JD to my belt and throw a pretty red head over my shoulder !!!!! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/loopy.gif" alt="" />

Well, you didn't say for what situation this would be so I am assuming it is for a situation that might necessitate the three. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />

I would take the following:

Knife - Falkniven A1 <- because I don't own any SY's yet.

Rifle - My AK-47 with several HC 30 rd clips

Handgun - My S&W M&P .45 Black and Tan

And I would add a pocketknife to this - My Spyderco Military Carbon Fiber/S90V <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

NIIIICE!!!!

pitman, you bastid you <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

I am with Pit- maybe one redhead and a blonde <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbup.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

For what reason?

Depends on the situation. That is why I have more than one knife, rifle, shotgun, and pistol.

If I was forced to only go with one battery for all around it would be:

Rifle=====CAR15 (decent carbine, easy to carry, easy to conceal--even break down and carry in a back pack, decent rd for shoot and scoot, I have dropped deer and hogs with it--shot placement, I have a .22lr conversion for small game, spare parts, pretty available ammo and parts abound).

Pistol-----Glock 19 (reliable, accurate, easy to conceal, lt wt, ammo pretty easy to find, conversion kit in .22lr, parts are pretty available but rarely needed).

Belt blade----SOD LE (can chop, dice, tool, weapon, etc. Tough as nails, can put an edge and reprofile if need be--besides I will have an folder with me too).

Folder------Probably a bM balisong because I have had one with me for ever and even used one to field dress game.

Women Folk-----Red, brunette, black, blond, they are all good for me as long as they don't complain and like to cook <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbup.gif" alt="" />

Knife ~ SOD Because they are just that awesome.

Rifle ~ AK-47 with 30rd mags Because they are really reliable & fairly accurate.

Handgun ~ Kimber 1911 I like 1911's and Kimber makes some sweet ones.

Multitool would be a S2 Juice.

Rifle = Browning A-bolt, in 30-06 (Hunting or sniping, it'll do it)
Pistol = SIG P226 (Self-protection, or tactical, you can add a 5" barrel and suppressor to it <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />)
Knife = Good ol' DFLE
Folder = Spyderco Remote Release with Plain Edge
Woman= Bring 'em, I'll take them all! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

Question since we are mentioning rifles in this post...and not to hijack - Are bolt action rifles more accurate than semi-autos? Why? A friend at work told me that they were and that it has been proven. I don't doubt it I would just like to know why?

Thanks.

Rifle Marlin lever action CB 45/70 9 shot, 300gr to 540gr bullet weight.
Handgun G17
Knife DFLE or NMSFNO

What Glock .22 conversion do you have? Been thinking about getting one. I have one for my Sig 226.

I would be uncomfortable making that generalization across the board but a lot of bolt action centerfire rifles are more accurate than a lot of semi autos I have tried. There are exceptions as with anything. A lot of times though accuracy is dictated by the trigger, most semi auto rifle triggers are not very good.

Urban:
AR-15 (compact, light ammo, effective on any mammal in my area with softpoint bullets)
Yardkeeper CG (until I get a Scrapper 5!!!!!)
Sig 226 .40 S&W (because every PD in my area has .40 cal bullets)

Rural:
AR-15 (with .22 converter for foraging)
Dogfather CG
Glock 19 9mm

I always have a Spyderco Endura and a small Swiss Army knife already in my pocket

I just got the Endura ZDP-189 - it is very nice. I already owned one in 154CM. Nice EDC though. I also got the Sage - very nice for the $$$. Neither will compare to the SYDF I just purchased from Vox though. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> Although that is apples to oranges.

Rifle - Remington 700 heavy barrel BDL in .308
Pistol - Any Government Model .45 ACP
Knife - SOD
Pretty much like that....I am a basic tools kinda guy.

If I stay with things I own, I am going with:

Marlin 30/30
EAA Witness .45ACP
NMSFNO
and one bourbon, one scotch, and one beer.

Also a lot less moving parts in a bolt gun. I feel that it kinda boils down to if a person can shoot or not. In the hands of a trained shooter a professionally built bolt gun will out shoot the gas gun of equal quality every time.

Knife: not saying because i don't wanna get flamed.

Savage 93R17 & Ruger Blackhawk

It's also a matter of energy as well.

With a bolt action rifle, all of the energy is focused into pushing the bullet forward.

With a semi-auto or full auto, some of the energy is utilized in pushing the action backwards to prime the trigger for the next round/continue firing. With this decreased amount of energy available to push the round forward, the travel of the round will be affected in a number of ways; power and distance being only two of them.

That makes sense. Thanks.

No problem; glad to help clear things up a bit. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

fn57 or fnp45...

fnar which i hope to get one day.

and i haven't gotten it yet but i suspect my swamprat m9le...

i would take:

- Becker BK7 thin enough for fine cutting and slicing, chops well, and has a pointy point for stabby stabby

- 30-06 bolt action rifle with bipod, scope and a bag full of ammunition.

- 1911 and bag full of ammunition.

Mora!
Mora!
Mora!
Mora!
Mora!
Mora!

<img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif" alt="" />

Yep, vox nailed.
it has to be a mora.
we all new it was coming mag. Don't be ashamed.
<img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />

If we are talking "survival" (not against humans/zombies) and "1" really means "1" (i.e. no extra conversion kits, extra fixed, folder, camp, fighter, ect) AND I have to carry them...AND the stuff to feed it, then:

Rifle: Ruger 10/22

Pistol:Browning Buckmark

Knife:Battle Rat

If "urban" (human/zombie targets) and I know I will be able to supplement with other stuff then:

Rifle: Whatever obama wouldn't want me to have

Pistol: Glock 19

Knife: SS4


If a combination of the two scenarios then:

Rifle: Ruger 10/22

Pistol: Browning Buckmark

Knife: SS5 <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

Remington Model 700 in .30-06, Glock 22 (.40 S&W), and DFLE. I always have four different pocket knives on me. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />, and my Leatherman Wave if possible.

Yep, vox nailed it.
it must have been a mora.
we all new it was coming mag. Don't be ashamed.
<img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />

I have no clue... what to put. I would never want to choose just one knife...
and I guess I would want a glock 19, or maybe an fn 5.7.
and rifle... maybe an ak47 or 74.

Well, I kinda figure that the most popular rifle round would be 30-06, and I was right! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

I would hate to leave my 12 gauge at home....it would be heavy, but with the right round.....you can do about anything. Maybe a combo shotgun with a 22..... You could hog a bunch of 22 ammo and not break your back. I am most comfortable with my glock 22, but if ammo was restricted, I would opt for a 17 or 19. The knife....only one is tough. Again it depends where you are. I might opt for my Bolo machete in a heavly wooded situation. We need some scenario's.

Rifle: Ruger 10/22 - carry all the ammo you could ask for without breaking your back

pistol: Taurus 4410 "Judge" http://www.taurususa.com/video/taurus-theJudge-video.cfm

knife: Scrapper 5

Rifle: VEPR AK-47.
Knife: Scrapper 6.
Handgun: Springfield 1911.

Thats what I would choose from what I own.

Mine was almost exactly the same though I don't own any except the SOD for I am 17.

Most of the time. A lot of factors play into the most accurate debate.

Advantage Arms

It looks like a lot of our decisions are based off the area of operations (areas we live in). I don't have to worry about bear so I can carry extra 5.56mm ammo for the weight of a .30-06 rd. Some of you guys are remote enough that carrying a rifle shouldered will not raise an eyebrow, but some of have to be more tactful in the way we carry ours. So really, this question is kinda biased from the start since we do not have set guidelines. Kinda like the SR 77 vs SR101 thread yesterday!

Thanks, been kinda lookin for one of those.

I agree. I have been reloading a lot of ammo lately and have been using my postal scale to count the rounds by weight. It is amazing how most ammo weighs so much more than the .223.

I almost picked the 10-22 for my rural pick because I really think I could survive and defend myself with one within a state or so of Ohio. However, with the relatively light .22 conversion I can really do everything I need.

he he he I like threads like this <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbup.gif" alt="" />

Scrapper 6
Blaser R93(338WM)
Strider SMF, as I do not own a pistol

You know, when I head out bush my wife usually says, 'are you going with anyone'. Allot of the time I head out solo, unless my son comes. I just tell her not to threat as I'm packing 3 quality friends <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" /> . So far they haven't let me down.

PS-I just looked into some pistols. Those Glocks look foolproof with it's high tech polymer & engineering, yup that would be the one I'd buy if I ever needed a pistol.

i'm never ashamed of the M2K and it was the first thing to come to mind, then i thought of somethin else that i've been in the mood for lately. i guess i'll give you guys a different answer now, with the proud M2K instead of the flame gatherer.

M2K, M1 Garand, and the Single Six.

i like the idea of an URBAN and RURAL differentiation. Good call messer, i believe it was.

Glocks are the SY of sidearms... they may not be the prettiest, you can bet on them everytime to go BANG! thats what i carry and why i carry them.. same for SY knives... they might not be the nicest or most expensive but [censored] sure they always are there and never fail! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbup.gif" alt="" />

Small game hunting

Knife: SY Bird Dog LE

Rifle: Ruger 77/22 .22LR

Pistol: S&W Model 317-1 Airlite .22 LR

Hog or Deer Hunting

Knife: Ratmandu

Rifle: Winchester 94 in .44 Magnum (I hunt in swamps, short range).

Pistol: S&W Model 686+ 7-shot .357 Magnum.

SHTF

Knife: Sarsquatch Bowie

Rifle: AR-15 in 5.56mm or AK-47 in 7.62x39mm

Pistol: Sig P220 in 45 ACP or Kimber 1911

Urban

Knife: Benchmade Infidel OTF auto.

Rifle: None

Pistols: Bersa .380 Thunderplus and S&W Nightguard in 44 spl.

good choices HD

Saiga AK-47 mod
Dog Father
XD-40

Yeah I've heard that about Glocks. I loves things that are simple that WORK.
You can also add the Blaser R93 to that system as well. Cutting edge German engineering at it's finest!

For SHTF scenario.

1. SY Dogfather
2. AR-15
3. Glock 17

One of these:


One of these:


One of these:

AR-15
Glock 21SF
Scrap Yard SOD

Colt M3LE with M203 grenade launcher,.223 Remington rounds at 950RPM. Range effective to 600 meters. Fires 40MM grenades.Rainwalker pouch sleeve. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" />

Smith & Wesson Model 460XVR Compensated Hunter
Multi-Caliber Capability: 460 Magnum, 454 Casull, .45 Colt ,the fastest mussel velocity of ANY handgun in the world. Burris Posilock pistol Scope 2-7x32,Long Eye Relief. Rainwalker Leather holster with Python inlay. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" />

Scrap Yard Dog Father Combat Grade with Black Rainwalker Leather tooled sheath. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" />

Folder - Pat Crawford - Brick in Titanium and S30V with a 4" blade,and a tooled Rainwalker pouch with room inside for Mag fire stick and Fenix LOD1. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" />

Belt - Rainwalker Custom Leather with "Durahold" holding the S&W,various RW-Kydex clips in all calibers,DFCG,Brick,Fenix TK-10. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" />

Pocket - Lifesavers Wintergreen Mints. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/bowdown.gif" alt="" />

That will cover Zombies,hunting,Chopping,prying,and fire starting and skinning,dark spaces illumination and boredom. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

I win.


Peace.


Now when I get the Colt and S&W I'll be done! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crossfingers.gif" alt="" />

I'd go with...

HK G3/91 or PTR-91F with dual 20 round clamped mags
Sig P226 in .357SIG
SY SOD

CZ 75b SA w/ kadet kit.
Remington R-15 VTR™ Predator - Hunter in 30 RAR w/ 1.5-6x illuminated scope.
Busse NMSFNO

Now, if I only owned any of this besides the Busse I might be in better shape.

You and me both think alike!

Those would work for me, too, if I had a Glock. I guess the Sig P220 or Kimber will have to do.

Nothing wrong with the Sig or Kimber HD. I'd feel well armed with either. They had to drag me kicking and screaming into the Glock camp. My first Glock was a 26. It was the best CCW choice for me at the time. I was totally amazed at how well I shot with the little gun. Been hooked on them ever since. My best friend is a Sig person all the way and teases me about my "tupperware" guns. I can out shoot most of the cadets he trains so he doesn't give me grief too often.

I have tried a lot of guns and like 99@ of them. The Glock just happens to be the best for price/performance for me. I still love the 1911 for what it is, the Glock just does it wit more rds and a lighter package.

I have a few others but my standby's are the 26, 19, 21 and 36. I'm also geting a big itch for a 23 <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

I have an itching for a G34. I have the 19 and 36, so holster selection is easy.

I have the G19, but really want to get the G30

Actually, perhaps instead of the cz75b, I would go for a Glock 20 or possibly a 10mm Commander Classic Bobtail.

The G26 is IMO the best carry pistol on the market... but this is subjective I guess. Its PERFECT for me and thousands of other Glockers over on glocktalk with me <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

But truly, Glock is the SY of sidearms. You cant beat them. Sigs and HK are nicer but they are no more reliable. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/bowdown.gif" alt="" />

knife

urban mutt


rifle

ruger 10/22


pistol

glock 19

Have you handled a G30 BC? You need to find someone who has one or rent one at a range and shoot it. Make sure it fits your hands. I had one for a while. It was too big for small hands and too small for large hands. I traded it for a G36 when they came out.

Don't get me wrong, if it fits your hands it is a great little gun. Just make sure it fits your hands first.

Cheytac .375...





Ruger .22 (moderated)...



RMD...

Knife: I'll be taking my SR M9LE

Rifle: AR 15

Pistol: FNH FiveseveN IOM, torn between this and my FNP 9mm weight of ammo wins out.

I am lucky, my wife will pack the 12gauge, and either her FN 5-7 USG, or the 9mm, she has the RC-3 and IZULA. then again I can always strap some gear on the little mules er I mean the Kids.

Steel fan: i just read a review on the cheytac .375.
how do you like it?

Well the rifle is a bit too heavy for me if I am honest and the trigger is not quite as good as I like....using a moderator the rifle is quite able to be "lighter" and still not punishing on recoil....so I am having made up a lighter version using a Lawton barrel on a BAT single feed action put into a McMillan stock with a muzzle break and/or moderator as an option and a Jewel trigger added. The muzzle break will enable it to be used without the heat build up in the moderator which can cause a mirage "boil" effect through the high power scope which is detrimental on reading the wind condition for extreme range shooting. I expect to shave a lot of weight off this second rifle and have a list of buyers as long as my arm for the one above.

The round itself is a great one...but people have been building rifles for it as if doing a .50 type of rifle platform and the cartridge does'nt need this sort of weight. It is shooting a 350g bullet not a 709g bullet so the torque and recoil is a lot better. I also see no need for a magazine...shooting at 2000 yards plus means that every shot is "composed" and to be in a situation where you would need a mag feed ability is hard to see. Besides I have always single fed as quick as working a mag feed and it is more reliable than having a "jam" when stripping a round from the mag and I can tweak the bullets on seating depth without worries over the mag length
and clearance.

On rifles as poweful as these the recoil can move the rounds in the magazine and this in turn can cause hang ups when shooting very pointed monolithic solids. They are virtually needle like and can score the inner mag wall.

I have the second rifle nearly ready...it just needs a bedding job and some special forward rails done for Night Vision equipment to be fitted infront of the scope...the rail I had sent by McMillan is too narrow in diameter for the Lawton barrel and needs opening up...and then once this is done it just needs balancing with some lead in the stock for perfect "feel" and then it is off to be "coated" with an anti glare finish and that will be my "go to" rifle for any "private contractor" work. I will post some pic's when it is finished.

Cool, SF. You need to build a discreet "moderated" .22 LR Urban Pest Control Sniper rifle. Use a 1 in 9" twist to stabilize the 60gr Aquila SubSonicSniper rounds. You can have every landmark ranged and marked on your elevation knob. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif" alt="" />

<img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> Nice one HD...

The .375 though is not a bad choice for urban pest control of a different nature <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbup.gif" alt="" />

yeah?
I never knew how .375 was on power.
I guess it does even look kind of "overbuilt" then.

good luck with another setup...
that's just insane. lol
must get pretty pricey.
<img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />

Very pricey! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif" alt="" />

I feel stupid. Until I saw the Ruger 22 pistol with the suppressor, I had no idea what a "moderated" weapon was. Why don't you Brits speak English? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/doh.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

The world has gone so "PC" over here and "anti guns" that using words like "silencer" or "suppressor" is bad for business....too much "Day of the Jackal" type image...so we say "moderated" and "sound moderator" instead... <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

I just didn't get your response on the other forum about using a "moderated" .223 until I saw the "moderated" Ruger pistol. Now it makes sense. I have five .223s, but none are suppressed.......yet. I may just spring for the license and get one.

Yes I thought you had missed my meaning....still...if I were explaining your tip about removing tannin stains on a blade by using a pencil eraser...and had said use a "rubber" to do the job... I might have had a few people scratching their heads and laughing as well....we still have some different uses on words between here and the US...LOL... <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif" alt="" />

Like napkins and serviettes?

Exactly....

Probably more like knocking up your girlfriend and sharing a fag with her. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

(i.e. knocking on her door and sharing a cigarette)

<img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> Now that is a good example!

serviette? that is so dainty and french sounding it makes me clench my cheeks.

LOL...if your clenching it's the wrong orrifice...sucking in your cheeks....OK... <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbup.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

1. SY S6CG
2. Ruger 10/22 (it's the only rifle I've got but could be used to get a bigger one if need be)
3. Glock 19 9mm with Advantage Arms .22 conversion kit

Scrapper 6
Springfield XD-45
Mossin M-44 (hopefuly some day an AK-47)

30.06 is the best all around rifle round IMO. id take my remington 700 xcr because of the availability of the round... not to mention it can do everything i would ever need it to... serve as hunting weapon and as a sniper's gun if i had to use it for such applications.

If this is a fantasy selection...

Rock River 308 with Nightforce 3.5-15X50 and plenty of mags containing 175 Sierras

Glock 21 with 230 XTPs and 22 conversion

SOD - Whack!


This kit would get you through quite a bit of fuss in good shape.

First off, Steel Fan, it's funny how something so innocent one place can have a completely different meaning somewhere else. Now where I come from the remark about your girlfriend and a cigarette means something REALLY different. Guess that's one of the hazards of living in the "Redneck Belt". <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/doh.gif" alt="" />
I concur (I thought we were talking about a grab and dash kind of scenerio) and would PROBABLY go with

Ruger 77/22 (or probably my 10/22 as I already have one) or a good .22 pistol of some kind, one that you can shoot WELL. It (at least round here, in rural areas) would provide a means of securing food and work for defense in a pinch. If restricted to only one knife, a good quality (one of the kinsman)if possible in a 7-7 1/2 inch blade for ease of carry and would work for about anything you need to do. (but I wouldn't have only ONE blade, I am never without a folder). If carrying a shotgun, it would be in 20 guage, packs enough whallop and the shells are lighter than a 12, not to mention less recoil lighter to carry as well. Oh well, my 2 c for what it's worth

But if I had to nail it down right now, I would go with:

RIFLE ruger 10/22 for the light weight, accuracy and ability to carry lots of ammo the weight

PISTOL Sig P225 9mm

KNIFE Jack Crain Commando (it's the only QUALITY blade I have in this length until the S5 gets here), then you know what it would be.

Rifle-

May change after I get to test out my FAL Para...

Pistol-


I almost went with this...


Knife?

No question-

I guess that the choices would depend a lot on the situation, but right off the top of my head, I'd grab a Remington 870, Ruger Security Six, and the DFLE... or NMSFNO... or Ratweiler... or............ OH I GIVE UP, I CAN'T JUST PICK ONE KNIFE!!! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/paperbag.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

I agree with you Jeff. The situation would dictate the rifle/pistol/knife choice. If I knew I would not need the rifle for defensive reasons and only shooting food I want a good .22 for small game. If I was in bear country I would leave the Glock 21SF at home and take a .44 Magnum. If I was on the prairie with no trees the Dog Father and SOD would be overkill, one of the Bussekin 5" blades would be a better choice.

Gotta disagree with you on that. The 30.06 will destroy too much meat for true scavenge hunting(and announce to everyone that you are there <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/ooo.gif" alt="" /> ). But I you really must have a .30 cal, it really has almost just about nothing over the .308 given the modem components; ammo is slightly heavier, takes up more room, and the rifle is also heavier due to the longer action needed, plus you will have a longer bolt throw. I recognize that WWII and Vietnam era snipers used .30-06, but there is a reason why they have phased them out and been replaced by the .308. I know everyone talks about ammo availability of the .30-06, and that it true, but in my unprofessional survey taken everywhere I have been since obamanation 08 happened, I can just as easily find .308 as I can .30-06 and .270. Don't get me wrong, the .30-06 is a good round, just not as good as the .308 <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> nor as versatile as the .22 <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />.

Agree to disagree. THe 30.06 WILL do more damage than the .308 because of ballistics and sheer weight of the round. But this is why I like it. And to assert that the 30.06 is going to give away your presence any MORE than the .308 is simply untrue. The .308 my dad has hunted wit for years is every bit as loud as the 30.06 his brother and myself hunt with. IMO, the 30.06 IS the all around best big game cartridge. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbup.gif" alt="" />

True, however that is not what I was trying to say. I see however that such was how it was understood so my bad for not being clear. At first I was trying to say that any.30 cal would be far too much for various reasons (hence my suggestion for the .22 at the end <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> ).

I guess what I am saying re: .30-06 vs. .308 is this. On paper, sure a .30-06 has the potential to be a modicum more potent than a .308. But in real life (i.e. the topic at hand), you will simply not see the positive difference (unless MAYBE if you are pushing the limits hunting grizz or moose, but the chances that such will be happening in a survival situation, let alone one in TN or KY, are beyond slim).

So I guess my point w/ .30-06 vs. .308 is this, have you ever killed something w/ a .30-06 that you are pretty sure you wouldn’t have been able to kill w/ a .308? Or perhaps more importantly, have you or your father ever shot something with a .308 that didn’t drop (with proper shot placement ect) that you are pretty sure would have been down should you have been using a .30-06 (with similar bullet weight ect)?

On the other hand, things like size, weight, and rifle dynamics are something that you WILL see a difference with every single time you shoot or carry your rifle or ammo. Again, I think the .30-06 is a great big game hunting round (I gots one!), just not the best option...but thank God we live in America there are options for everyone!

You need to be introduced to the 45/70......

I prefer the .308 to the 30-06. That doesn't make it the better caliber. I have owned rifles in both calibers. In my limited high power shooting experience, at least in the rifles I owned, the 308 tended to have less recoil and was more accurate. But the '06 will never go away. The wide range of bullets available for it make it the most versatile of big game catridges. When my brother moved from Virginia to Nevada, he needed a new hunting rifle with more range and power than his old 7 x 57 Mauser. He got a Remington 700 in 30-06. It will kill anything in Nevada. But what do I know? I'm just an old squirrel hunter. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

It will take squirrels too! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" /> My choice was based on what I actually own, not what I might like to have. Personally, I loved the M-14 rifle! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

I never fired an M14 with live ammo, only blanks. We used them in UGA ROTC field excecises in the 70s. The only military gun I fired in that caliber with live ammo was the M60 machine gun. Shot expert with it at Ft. Knox. I did see the Army truck drivers with M14s when they delivered our munitions to Nakhon Phanom AFB in NE Thailand in '67 and '68. I understand they are fine long range shooters. All I had was an M1 Carbine, as our M16s were taken from us and given to the South Vietnamese Army. We in the AF got their carbines. It was part of LBJ's "Vietnamization" program or some such. Given the problems some were having with the M16s at the time, I prefered the carbine.

Most of our training was with the M14, and we didn't get the M16 until just before our trip across the pond! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif" alt="" /> Makes sense huh?!!!? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/doh.gif" alt="" /> With as many M16's that jammed, we would have preferred the M1 carbine as well! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif" alt="" />
I always relished the M60 myself! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

It all makes perfect military sense, Tom. Train with the M14, fight with the M16. We trained with the M16 and were given M1 carbines. Fortunately in the AF we did not have to use them much, but they shot well. Then in the Army I trained with Infantry weapons (all combat arms officers do) and never saw another M60 after I was assigned to a tank company. My weapons were the 45 cal grease gun, 45 1911, and 50 cal MG, along with a 105mm tank cannon. It all makes perfect sense. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif" alt="" />

the .308 is tactically better i guess you could say due to the trajectory of the actual cartridge when fired... the .308, since it is a lighter bullet, will stay flatter, longer. however it does not have the punch of the aught 6. both are fine rounds, but i like the 30.06 better. and HD was right when he said it is the most versatile round of all big game cartridges. it will NEVER go away. its the most popular big game round in America and has been for many years.

Military intelligence - all kinds! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/doh.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/banghead.gif" alt="" /> That's like studying SunTzu's Art of War at the War College, then promptly forgetting or ignoring it! Again, <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/doh.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/banghead.gif" alt="" />

Like General Westmoreland apparently did. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif" alt="" />

Amen! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif" alt="" /> Well, time to do something, so catch ya'll later! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

USP compact in 9
AR-15 with Aimpoint
Camp Tramp

Simple and to the point <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />.

The 06 is a good round however, I would argue the old venerable 45/70 is the most versatile round. It can take anything on the planet that crawls, walks on 2 or 4 legs from rabbits to Elephants and everything in between.

The 06 is great, you can shoot light or heavy bullets. Moose, bears or whitetail. I prefer my 308 but it wouldn't be near the gun for bears.

funny you mentioned Master Sun Tzu... I just did my masters thesis on the theoretical constructs of 4th generation warfare! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbup.gif" alt="" />

Yo Horn Dog, glad to meet another Zoomie. I retired in 1994 after 20 years. And I like the .308 better that the 06 cause the 308 can do anything I want it to and it don't recoil as much.

Love those Israeli light handguards. FAL's are tanks. That is a very nice rifle.

Thats a sweet FAL Paratrooper!!!

Which has less recoil the FAL, the M-14, or AR derivatives in .308?

Thanks!

This is one of the best shooting FAL's I've ever handled. I think it owes to the masterful trigger job that it has, plus quality assembly and components.

Even those who claim not to like FAL's want one after shooting this one. I've had literally dozens of offers to buy her at the range...

Well, I don't currently own a 7.62 NATO AR, but I have fired one.

Recoil is subjective.

IMHO, they all recoil about the same, assuming that the FAL has had its gas system properly adjusted.

AR-10 is fairly benign in recoil, however, the AR-10 I fired had a muzzle brake that mad the blast & noise very fierce.

FAL-Recoil is generally mild if gas is properly adjusted. IF the gas is not properly adjusted, it can be a bit more stout; on par with a 7.62 NATO bolt gun. Also, some FAL stocks fit different than others. Some individuals will experience cheek slap with either straight FAL or humpback FAL stocks. I don't have that issue.

M14/M1A-Typically, these don't recoil too badly. Most will feel like an M1 Garand in recoil. Wood stocks tend to be heavier and dampen recoil slightly better than the synthetic. Short M1A's like the Bush Rifles and SOCOM have a fierce blast/noise issue that may cause a flinch.

G3/CETME-These have the reputation of being "heavy recoiling". I haven't necessarily found this to be the case. Yes, if the gun has a bolt gap that is approaching minimum specs, it does "kick" more. Yes, the G3 is unpleasant to fire witht he telescoping steel stock. But in most instances, the recoil is no greater than any other 7.62 NATO rifle.

Again, they're all sort of the same. Some are louder and have more muzzle blast, but that's a function of barrel length and muzzle device.

If you can handle one, you should be able to handle all, but again, recoil is subjective and shaped by many factors including how the stock of a particular gun "fits" you.

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Oh....me too
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Tackdrivers...

hmmmmmmmm

pistol- Sig p226-9
rifle- mid-length AR-15 with C-more sight and goodies
knife- Busse Hellrazor

Ok so the rifle and pistol arn't mine but they live down the road. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

mac! man it's been a while.
you still have more posts than me. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />
haha.

Yeah but you seem to have added 600 or so since I last was on. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif" alt="" />
Facebook has been taking up alot of my internetz.

ha.
Facebook is addicting.

I haven't been posting much since the summer actually.

good to see you around again.