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Re: Looking at making my first knife [Re: tyger75] #291261 05/24/09 08:49 AM
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Hey SP, you ever think about adding a 3/4 to 1 inch wide piece to the back (poll ?) of the little ax? That would make it a good light hammer device and also add some weight not to mention add a little larger area to choke up on the back to use it as a skinner. I think It's a GREAT design, <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbup.gif" alt="" /> and when they go on sale for $19.95, but wait if you order in the next 10 minutes... <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />let me know!! HEY DAN have you taken a GOOD look at Snot Pigs little ax..hint hint hint come on folks join in. Ya never know.


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Re: Looking at making my first knife [Re: SkunkHunter] #291262 05/24/09 05:17 PM
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I few points I forgot to add:

Always wear a respirator, NOT a dust mask, when grinding or cutting the steel. Black boogers and flem are not fun nor is the stuff that makes it into your lungs.
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Always wear saftey goggles or glasses. An errant spark, steel shard, or knife blade and wreak havoc on the eyes. (BTW I use hearing plugs/muffs as well)

Keep a bucket/cup of cold water and an old towel handy while grinding the blade. This is for cooling the blade between passes on the sander and drying it off before sticking it back on the sander.

Don't grind in flip-flops, crocs, sandals, or high heels <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />. Sparks and shards of steel can easily get in these and bury themselves deeply into your skin.

Don't grind in polyester or any other "plastic" garmets. Sparks can melt thousands of tiny holes in it and ruin it. I've got a North Face TKA100 pullover that's been ruined this way. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif" alt="" /> I now wear a welding apron during this operation.

To do a flat grind, I start with about a 45 deg angle and walk the grind up to the top of the blade. I usually will make a few passes on each side then flip. This is to ensure that both sides match throughout the whole process. (If I screw up on one side, then the other looks the same way and then it doesn't look so much like a screw-up. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />) You'l find that grinding on one side will seem easier than the other (right hand vs. left hand guidance). This is normal and will (hopefully) get easier with time.

Convexing is not too difficult. Yes, you'll probably want to start out by flat grinding a little. It's faster/easier to remove stock when you're pressing hard against the platen. Then remove it and slack belt the rest of the way. Be careful to watch the edge when convexing. It is easy to grid more on the edge (bottom) of the blade than the spine since it's out of view and many of the grinder belts run top to bottom. This can ruin a profile in seconds.

Usually when I grind, I set my platen back about 1/4" or so away from the back of the belt. This gives an ever-so-slight convex to the grind, but still allows me to press against the platen.

I hope this helps. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

I wish Dan would produce a small hatchet - I'd certainly be in. The timing's never been right for me to score a Ratchet on the sec market. He's certainly welcome to use this design - one that was inspired by the Busse/Swamp Rat design.

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Re: Looking at making my first knife [Re: snotpig] #291263 05/24/09 05:45 PM
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Keep it up guys, you are going to end up talking me into some serious toys to hurt myself with!

I got a question, has anyone ever used steel blanks or heat treating from Jantz Knife Supply? I see they are here in OK, and with school getting to be out I could make a little road trip down there.


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Re: Looking at making my first knife [Re: snotpig] #291264 05/24/09 05:54 PM
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Don't grind in flip-flops, crocs, sandals, or high heels.

[censored] and I was really hoping to wear those new pumps! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

Seriously though, all good advice, some common knowledge, some not so common. Sadly, as I start to think about it, common knowledge isn't so common with todays' society. Good points, and definitely will be stuck in my head as I begin my endeavour.


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Re: Looking at making my first knife [Re: tyger75] #291265 05/24/09 09:22 PM
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Thanks SP. Good info. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> I kinda gave up on the full flat grind and just wound up doing a full convex. The Kalamazoo grinder I have doesn't make it easy to do full flats and hollow grinds are impossible because there is no exposed wheel. I think I see a KMG in my future <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />. For now, I'm going to stick with sabre and convex grinds and may try full flat or high flat again.

I got my knife to the point that it can be sent in for heat treat - so, that should take a week or two and i expect Tyger to catch up to me now. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

Someone asked about Jantz Supply - They are one of the top knife making supply shops. Go for it! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />


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Re: Looking at making my first knife [Re: KnotSlip] #291266 05/24/09 09:24 PM
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SP- I am wearing a carpenters respirator - single filter....Is that sufficient or should i invest in one like in the picture you posted? Here is the link to what I have: http://www.amazon.com/AO-Safety-95190-Wo...7435&sr=8-4


Thanks.


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Re: Looking at making my first knife [Re: KnotSlip] #291267 05/24/09 10:24 PM
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It looks pretty good. I would get a supply of cartridges and change them regularly, if you plan on using it a lot. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbup.gif" alt="" />

Here's some info on respirator filters:

Filter Class ...Filtering of Airborne Particles .....Oil Resistance
N95 ...............Filters at least 95%.....................No oil resistance
N99 ...............Filters at least 99%.....................No oil resistance
N100 .............Filters at least 99.97%.................No oil resistance
R95 ...............Filters at least 95%.....................Some oil resistance
P95 ................Filters at least 95%....................Strong oil resistance
P100 ..............Filters at least 99.97%................Strong oil resistance

I use the P100 in my shop to paint, strip paint, sand blast, grind, cut wood, etc. With it on, I can't smell anything - which is good. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

Getting a good seal is key - this is where most dust masks fail.


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Re: Looking at making my first knife [Re: tyger75] #291268 05/24/09 10:33 PM
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Don't grind in flip-flops, crocs, sandals, or high heels.

[censored] and I was really hoping to wear those new pumps! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

Seriously though, all good advice, some common knowledge, some not so common. Sadly, as I start to think about it, common knowledge isn't so common with todays' society. Good points, and definitely will be stuck in my head as I begin my endeavour.

With the exception of the high heels, I've done every one of those things. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/paperbag.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> Usually I did it because I was in a hurry (read impatient).


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Re: Looking at making my first knife [Re: snotpig] #291269 05/25/09 02:32 AM
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great safety advice...

Re: Looking at making my first knife [Re: gRat] #291270 05/25/09 12:02 PM
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I need to have Jeff just go ahead and make me some sheaths.
Were practically neighbors and he makes some awesome looking stuff.
Ive got a couple of more Busse Kin thanks to Vox Hog!!
A #3 Bird Dog and a #10 Scrap muk. Thank you sir!!
#7 would just finish me off. HA HA!!
Jeff!! Iam sending a order your way here directly.
Been spending too much time just buyin a few pieces.
Like its said in the yard," You need some PANTS"!
Again, Thanks for welcoming me in the yard.!
I can see right now, the dog bucket is about half full
of Kool-Aid.!! HA HA!!!!!!!!!!


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Re: Looking at making my first knife [Re: tyger75] #291271 05/26/09 08:17 PM
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Don't grind in flip-flops, crocs, sandals, or high heels.

[censored] and I was really hoping to wear those new pumps! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

Seriously though, all good advice, some common knowledge, some not so common. Sadly, as I start to think about it, common knowledge isn't so common with todays' society. Good points, and definitely will be stuck in my head as I begin my endeavour.

Yea, don't ruin those pumps LOL

We all wear heavy leather aprons, respirators like in the above picture and full face shields and leather gloves...there’s just something about a steel splinter to wake you up

Best of luck

Dan

Re: Looking at making my first knife [Re: Dumpster Dan] #291272 05/26/09 09:00 PM
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Hmmm, you know, maybe I don`t need to buy a respirator. After all, I already have this one, with plenty of spare filters!
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