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Kid Nevada's Abuse Knife Test of the SOD #291319 05/23/09 10:21 PM
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I don’t carry a hammer, chisel, crowbar, hatchet, shovel, large screwdriver and the like when I go in deep, I just carry a tough trail knife. It’s the Swiss Army Knife of backcountry tools. And because I use it for so many different and often demanding tasks, I carry the toughest knife I can get.

So how can you separate the tough ones from the pretenders? There are no standards for trail knives, knifemakers use tricks to promote their wares, and most people recommend what they own, which is what their friends own. If you really want to know, you have to do the research yourself.

I assembled a box of candidates for my latest test. I added more knives later, but these were the starters.
[Linked Image from kn.wwwb2c.com]






I’ll cover the other knives later, but for now let’s focus on the Scrap Yard SOD, shown here at the test site. There’s a lot of talk about how tough the SOD’s SR-77 steel is, mostly from people who’ve never put it to the test. So let’s see if it measures up.
[Linked Image from kn.wwwb2c.com]






The SOD has just been removed from the deep freezer, as evidenced by ice condensation on the blade. If you’re in the snow and have ice condensation, your internals are VERY cold.

But why do this? Because warm steel is tougher steel and harder to detect problems with, while cold steel is more brittle and will reveal its true strength. That’s why knifemakers show off their knives in the Amazon and not the Arctic.

Notice the raised grid on the hammer face, and the dents in the SOD’s edge. I wanted to see if the edge was strong or weak, and would it shatter. So I set the SOD on its spine and hit the edge a few times with the hammer. That’s a large, long handled, grid faced, 28 ounce Estwing framing hammer, heavy and super tough. It hits with authority. The SOD’s edge is strong.
[Linked Image from kn.wwwb2c.com]






And here’s the testing block, a solid granite boulder. Notice the grooves in the granite (center frame). Those are from prior chopping tests. Any knife can chop wood, but only the toughest can chop granite in the snow for long.
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Here’s the SOD well into the test.

The SOD was first laid flat on the granite, then hammered on both sides top to bottom full force with over 100 blows from the Estwing. Then the edge was faced into the granite and the spine repeatedly hit full force with the Estwing, driving the blade into and through the granite, splitting off a chunk. The SOD did this without problem and with surprisingly little edge damage.

This was repeated a second time, breaking off a second chunk of granite, as shown here. The whitish substance on the SOD is pulverized granite, embedded in the coating by the force of the side blows and from driving the blade through the granite.
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A third granite block has now been chiseled off. You can see to the upper right where the rock was cut by the SOD’s blade as the spine was pounded with the Estwing.

But before the granite was cut, the SOD was laid flat on the granite and then hit full force on both sides with the Estwing a total of 50 more times. You can see some of the results in the new splits in the RES C grip.

At this point, the SOD has absorbed hundreds of hard blows from the Estwing.
[Linked Image from kn.wwwb2c.com]






Here’s a close up of the Res C grip. Notice the ripples caused by impacts from the Estwing’s grid face. I was surprised at how tough the Res C was.
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And here’s the blade. Notice the patterned impacts from the Estwing.

Notice also the marks on the choil. To further test the SOD’s strength, it was placed over a depression in the granite to create a bridge between the tip of the blade and the end of the handle. Then the choil was hit full force with roundhouse swings from the Estwing. This resulted in the knife springing about 5’ up and 10’ distant, a process I call Knife Jumping. This was repeated about a dozen times.

While testing the various knives, some of the lighter knives made with spring steel flew 10-15’ up and 30-50’ distant while Knife Jumping. It was quite a show, if a little dangerous. Drinking beer and then trying to catch the knife or hit it with a bat is not recommended. I think Knife Jumping should be an Olympics sport, but only with sober judges.

Notice the amazingly good condition of the edge. I was quite impressed with the SOD’s toughness.
[Linked Image from kn.wwwb2c.com]






Close up of the blade. Notice that the coating on the thicker spine has been completely removed by the side impacts and from driving the blade through the granite. The patterned marks left by the Estwing as it pulverized the coating are clearly visible.

Note again the amazingly good condition of the edge.
[Linked Image from kn.wwwb2c.com]






Typical result of an abuse knife test with Knife Jumping. If you don’t see this, you aren’t swinging the Estwing hard enough.
[Linked Image from kn.wwwb2c.com]






I did some other tests, including wood chopping (did ok, not great), granite chopping (fun), pry test (strong), and some others that I’ll detail later. Basically, the SOD did just ok in the tests requiring size and mass, no surprise since it’s a mid-size trail knife, and very good in the tests requiring strength and toughness.

So was the SOD tough enough? An unqualified Yes! The SOD is one of the toughest knives I’ve ever tested. Its SR-77 steel proved to be incredibly tough.

If you’re tough on your knife or rely on it in tough spots, take a good look at the SOD. Most people look at styling, edge retention, rust resistance and the like when considering a trail knife, but toughness is the trump card where there’s no backup or second chance. You can always touch up the edge of a knife, but you can’t put it back together if it breaks.

And the SOD is as tough as they come. Subjectively, having owned a number of Busses, I think the SOD is tougher than a comparably sized Busse. It won’t hold an edge as well, or resist rust as well, or do some other things as well as a Busse, but it’s tougher.

Don’t think so? Check KnifeTests.com, where a much smaller Scrapper 6 essentially tied a far larger FFBM in the destruction tests. That’s a ±1.5 wide, full flat ground, .275 thick, partial-tang, SR-77 blade matching up against a 2" wide, saber ground, .32 thick, full-tang, INFI blade. That’s tough stuff!

Here’s my new SOD in a Rainwalker.
[img]http://kn.wwwb2c.com/11.JPG[/img]






Throw price into the mix and the SOD is a big winner. Superior performance to price indeed!
[img]http://kn.wwwb2c.com/12.JPG[/img]

Re: Kid Nevada's Abuse Knife Test of the SOD [Re: KidNevada] #291320 05/23/09 10:29 PM
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Nice test, KN. Has Seed seen this? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif" alt="" />


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great pics and tests KN!!!!!

that SOD looks good after a hard beating! keep up the abuse!!!! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbup.gif" alt="" />


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Thanks, Horn Dog. Sorry but I'm new. Who's Seed?

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That's a pretty rough looking test! Thanks for the pics.


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Holy cow, nice pics. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />
S7 is some tough stuff.


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Thanks, Horn Dog. Sorry but I'm new. Who's Seed?

He is a great admirer of SR77 knives, and frequently speaks of the steel's toughness, but his knives look unused. I know he'll appreciate your torture test. We will never hear the end of it now!


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I felt sick seeing that torture test, as i am not one to abuse my tools in such a manner.....HOWEVER, i am very happy to see the outcome and glad that you did it with your SOD and not mine.......<img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/ooo.gif" alt="" />

However....i am a hypocrite.....because when i was camping this weekend, i did, under the influence of a flat of suds, hold my SOD in both hands and drove it downwards into a 55 gallon steel drum to ventilate it......(it made a wedge shaped hole and the edge was slightly dulled....)

I also have used it to pry stumps apart while searching for fatwood....

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No offense, but I see absolutely no value in this type of testing. I think it borders on dangerous and you can be lucky that the "knife jumping" trick didn't take out an eye or worse.

For hundreds of years a knife and an axe (and later a rifle) were regarded as essential and life preserving tools and were therefore treated as such. Only lately they seem to have become rock crushers, brick breakers and pipe cutters. Throughout my life I have been taught, first by my father and later by the military, that your equipment is your life and should be cleaned and maintained daily and handled with care and respect and this new tendency to maim and destroy something that is meant to cut soft materials is absolutely contrary to what I have learned and what I will teach my son.

But of course, that's just my opinion. To each his own.
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Thanks for the test and results. I would love to hear about the other knives and how they compared to the SOD.


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True story:

Some buddies and I were up in Colorado’s gold country, back in the forest. Kid runs up, frantic. His friend’s trapped and needs help. Where? In an old mine. Timber shifted while they were exploring, and it’s still slowly moving as the trapped kid tries to hold it. Plus, there’s a large bolt just above the kid’s chest. It has to come off NOW! You’re it.

You can lecture that kid all you want. You can discuss how knives shouldn’t be abused, take care of your knife so it’ll take care of you. You can ponder what you coulda, woulda, shoulda brought. But the only thing that matters is the toughness of the trail knives you’re carrying. Because you and your buddies are about to go down into an abandoned mine, bend away a thick bolt by hammering on it, and pry a heavy timber off a scared boy, all with your trail knives. Some of the knives failed, while others succeeded. Which are you carrying?

I guess your perspective depends on how much time you spend out deep. If going out deep means going to the county campground, no problem. But I’m often not only out of cell phone range, but out of range of radio range. What you carry cannot fail. It must be hard tested.

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KN, absolutely awesome tests, and mighty impressive performance from that SOD.

I agree that these kinds of tests do tell you something, and that something is very important. Yes, I respect MY knives, and would only subject them to this kind of abuse in incredibly dire circumstances, but without folks like KN carrying out these tests, I wouldn't honestly have that confidence that my knives COULD perform when it hits the fan. So thanks, KN for risking destroying your SOD so the rest of us don't have to <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbup.gif" alt="" />

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fair enough, in a SHTF situ ANYBODY would grab the nearest tool and chop, pry, smash etc......even i would. Tools can be replaced, lives cannnot. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/ooo.gif" alt="" />

I still understand Gideon's view though, its very close to my own. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

like i said, thanks for sacrificing your own SOD <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />


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Nice test...Thanks for the great pics. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> Are you going to show how the other knives faired?


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Thanks, MustardMan. My SOD was obviously heavily damaged during the testing, along with a number of other knives (almost 20). But I now know FOR SURE which ones I can rely on when the poop hit the fan. And out here, it’s not if the poop hit the fan, it’s when.

You can buy a fancy knife that will fail when you need it, or a tough knife that won’t, all for about the same price. So where’s the decision? I’m at a loss to explain this.

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How was your test subject SOD "destroyed", if using it as a stone chisel didn't do the job? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif" alt="" />

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RE: "fair enough, in a SHTF situ ANYBODY would grab the nearest tool and chop, pry, smash etc......even i would. Tools can be replaced, lives cannnot."


When down in an abandoned mine, what "nearest tool"? Hint: it's on your belt.

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Yea, since i never use my knives, I guess Im out on a limb by claiming SR77's unmatched toughness.

WAIT.

I was right!!!! Maybe all those claims were just me speculating and not using my knives.... Im a soldier, but I dont use my knives, I just gloat on SY forums from ZERO experience, let me tell you. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif" alt="" />


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Good question, Momaw. It wasn't destroyed, and in fact I was out trimming branches with it the other day. But I wouldn't use it in critical situations anymore, given the abuse it's taken and the potential for hidden damage.

And ReC0n SEED, you were right!!! SR-77 is a beast!

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RE: "fair enough, in a SHTF situ ANYBODY would grab the nearest tool and chop, pry, smash etc......even i would. Tools can be replaced, lives cannnot."


When down in an abandoned mine, what "nearest tool"? Hint: it's on your belt.

thats what i meant! i just wouldn't do it if i did'nt have too

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True story, particularly for someone with a picture of them carrying a child:

Some buddies and I were up in Colorado’s gold country, back in the forest. Kid runs up, frantic. His friend’s trapped and needs help. Where? In an old mine. Timber shifted while they were exploring, and it’s still slowly moving as the trapped kid tries to hold it. Plus, there’s a large bolt just above the kid’s chest. It has to come off NOW! You’re it.

You can lecture that kid all you want. You can discuss how knives shouldn’t be abused, take care of your knife so it’ll take care of you. You can ponder what you coulda, woulda, shoulda brought. But the only thing that matters is the toughness of the trail knives you’re carrying. Because you and your buddies are about to go down into an abandoned mine, bend away a thick bolt by hammering on it, and pry a heavy timber off a scared boy, all with your trail knives. Some of the knives failed, while others succeeded. Which are you carrying?

I guess your perspective depends on how much time you spend out deep. If going out deep means going to the county campground, no problem. But I’m often not only out of cell phone range, but out of range of the U.S. Central Nevada Radio Network. What you carry cannot fail. It must be hard tested.

First off all, I can find thousands of examples where people could have been rescued had they had a certain tool and didn’t. That’s life. I wasn’t there but can think of many more efficient items/tools to use to support timber pressing down on someone or to bend away a bolt about to pierce someone's body. In fact, using my knife that forcefully that close to someone’s body would probably be my last choice. Now, I'm sure you go "deep" often and constantly. But I doubt whether you've been "deeper" than George Washington Sears or some of the other great frontiersmen, and I can guarantee you they never tested a knife by chopping rock. They treated their knives with great care.

Lastly - these days I do go to the “county campground” and I don’t really know what “deep” means, but I haven’t always lived in New Jersey - I grew up in Africa and used to hunt and travel with my dad in places like the far north of Namibia, (Owamboland, the Caprivi strip) and many other places in Botswana, Lesotho etc. since I was 10, so it’s not as if I’ve never seen a tree or a bush.

Again, do what suits you but I will say once more that this is not what a knife was designed for and when people use things beyond there design capabilities accidents will happen.

Nuff said.

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Fair enough. Thanks for your considered imput.

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The Seed laughs at these puny tests !!!! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

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Good to see the SOD can withstand that much abuse. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> The more I read about the SOD the more respect it gets...


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i think its always good to test something to the extreme...gotta know the limit.


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If I am not mistaken Busse-made knives are tested in house for their durability and I go with that. I occasionally break knives, but never intentionally. I appreciate ruggedness in a knife as much as anyone, but I tend to measure "performance" as cutting ability. I can see both Gideon's and Kid Nevada's points, but for my own knives, I tend to come down more on Gideon's side. When I review a knife, I use it for it's intended purpose if possible. If the knife fails me at that, then I consider it not up to my standards.


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I would like to see what " other" knives were tested ? Just for comparison purposes. Thanks


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wow!
although I somewhat agree with Gideon's points...
I will say that I do think these types of test have some kind of merit...
though I too consider actual performance (cutting tasks namely) first, sometimes I like knives that I could destroy rocks with.
Though I haven't found sr77 to have the strongest edge of the steels I've used, I sure haven't been disappointed with it's performance.

anyways, I can sure appreciate your tests!
great job.
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Now that's a well loved SOD! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbup.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbup.gif" alt="" />

Time to strip it and put on a nice satin finish.


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Kid Nevada....That was awesome! Thanks for showing us what the SOD can do! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbup.gif" alt="" />


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No offense, but I see absolutely no value in this type of testing. I think it borders on dangerous and you can be lucky that the "knife jumping" trick didn't take out an eye or worse.

For hundreds of years a knife and an axe (and later a rifle) were regarded as essential and life preserving tools and were therefore treated as such. Only lately they seem to have become rock crushers, brick breakers and pipe cutters. Throughout my life I have been taught, first by my father and later by the military, that your equipment is your life and should be cleaned and maintained daily and handled with care and respect and this new tendency to maim and destroy something that is meant to cut soft materials is absolutely contrary to what I have learned and what I will teach my son.

But of course, that's just my opinion. To each his own.
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well KN did state in the topic "abuse" so we all know its a test of a knives endurance past the ordinary uses of a knife.

im with bruce again on this one...buy the hummer ripper!


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I love these tests!!!

I also value my life!!!

Thanks for doing what most of us only imagine doing!

To be honest it's tests like these that sold me on the Bussekin. When you are spending this kind of money it's nice to hear REAL feedback and not just hype.

I took my RD7 on my camping trip and when it came time to split some wood my cousin grabbed the gerber hatchet and I grabbed the blade. I had split about 4 logs in 4 pieces each by the time he got to splitting the first one in 4. I knew the blade could do it because I had done it before, but I purchased it because of the extreme tests. Now, the blade has more stories to tell its future owner...


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Look, I don't mean to criticize and my wife constantly reminds me that I'm old fashioned and should lighten up, so I guess I'm not always up to date with these things. I can understand if someone really wants the toughest knife out there, and good luck to them. It's a free country and if anyone wants to chop up some rocks go right ahead <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

All I'm saying is that I don't know if Dan tests his knives this way. And if he didn't, I wouldn't blame him. That's the "problem" I have with this Busse warranty - I can basically go and try to pry the tire off a rim and if the knife breaks Dan will replace it. I just don't think that's fair. On the other hand, if someone markets a knife as being tough as hell then people will try and prove him wrong... It's just not my thing - if it cuts well, has a good handle and a decent steel I'm happy. I'm far more interested in the different blade geometries than I am in the lateral strength of those blades.

Anyway, put 5 people in a room and you'll get 6 opinions.

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HA! I learned that while being a juror on a murder trial...


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Personally, I think these types of tests have some merit to them. By showing how much serious abuse one of these knives can take and remain in good shape for me inspires a lot of confidence. It's nice to know that, if I needed to, I could chop my way through a brick wall with my knife, or cut my way through a car door. I have no plans to do that, but if my knives can do THESE tasks, they can do other, equally rough tasks as well.

There's nothing worse than a tool breaking when you need it the most. Seeing these types of results gives me the confidence to abuse these knives if necessary.

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Anyway, put 5 people in a room and you'll get 6 opinions.


hah thats a good one!


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OK, Now it's my turn to put in my 3.75 (inflation) cents worth.

Yes testing like that IS dangerous. Yes, it does prove something. NO, it's not really wise, but does give one confidence in whatcha got. As far as the warranty inviting abuse, yeah it can, but I believe most folks that have a Yard, Swamp or Combat blade will not just turn it in if they intentionally do something they shouldn't with their knife just cause of the "iron clad" warranty. Of course there will always be exceptions, but I think few. I valued the test for this. I frequently chop with my knives and have all to frequently hit rocks or something harder than the steel. I would be glad to know before hand, that the blade would not have a major failure from this (I have broken more than one knife, clearing away brush etc.) Would I want to do these tests, NO WAY, I've hurt myself more than once from doing something I shouldn't. Case in point. Last sunday in church I was trying to poke holes through a stack of about 10 papers with a "lock blade" knife. Well the lock failed and the blade shut on my little finger, <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/doh.gif" alt="" /> finally stopped by the bone! or I would have lost it at the first joint from the tip. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/banghead.gif" alt="" /> Don't mean anything really just rambling at 0530 in the morning while waiting to get off at 8. I hope this post makes some sense, if not I might just remove it later.


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Here is something you can do a Noss test on and it will take a pretty fair beating @ 15 bucks. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/ooo.gif" alt="" /> Fun to tweak a bit and great to have in your rig or just around the house. http://countycomm.com/eodrtool.htm Have fun !! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />


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I appreciate your test anyway, KN, and wish you a warm welcome to the yard. Please, be careful. I must warn you. This crowd will clamor for more tests, blood, and destruction while they keep their own knives nice and pretty! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />


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Why are you interested in buying Bussekin knives? There are far less expensive alternatives to Bussekin knives that are well made and perform ordinary knife functions quite admirably. Why not buy those knives instead? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" />

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nope, i AM still laughing at you for selling that DMCG though <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />


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Yes there is, when someone buys the last one available, and I don't have mine yet <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />

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I don't know...when I buy 2 of each knife I want 3, and if I get 3 I regret not getting 4. It doesn't end.


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Good question, Momaw. It wasn't destroyed, and in fact I was out trimming branches with it the other day. But I wouldn't use it in critical situations anymore, given the abuse it's taken and the potential for hidden damage.

And ReC0n SEED, you were right!!! SR-77 is a beast!
First off I wanted to say that I found those pictures and tests entertaining and well documented. Beautiful country up there, I frequent the deep Sierra Nevada forrests every year and love it. I also agree that the tools you carry you have to rely on, that said I have a question for you, did you buy a second SOD? I mean you prooved to yourself it was a worthy tool to carry but destroyed it in the process so now you no longer have it to rely on? I am not going to comment on the knife jumping mainly because I have done plenty of stupid things while drinking in the mountains, our annual firewalking rituals or boulder tossing, albeit fun are considered highly dangerous and stupid.
Seed, you seem like a really nice guy, you really do, you should be commended for you service to your country and your gung ho spirit, that said I think you are missing the point of what people here say regarding your posts. I have been following your posts ever since you joined the Swamprat forum, yes toughness is important but you come across like some evangelical preacher you see on TV, even though I believe in God and live my life accordingly I blow right thru those channels and would never listen to them, they are really hard to take seriously, when you talk about the knives it is hard to take you seriously because that is ALL you talk about. I think the folks here all like you and respect you and are not trying to insult you, merely trying to get a point across. This is not a dig, just an observation <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbup.gif" alt="" />


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Good question, Momaw. It wasn't destroyed, and in fact I was out trimming branches with it the other day. But I wouldn't use it in critical situations anymore, given the abuse it's taken and the potential for hidden damage.

And ReC0n SEED, you were right!!! SR-77 is a beast!
Seed, you seem like a really nice guy, you really do, you should be commended for you service to your country and your gung ho spirit, that said I think you are missing the point of what people here say regarding your posts. I have been following your posts ever since you joined the Swamprat forum, yes toughness is important but you come across like some evangelical preacher you see on TV, even though I believe in God and live my life accordingly I blow right thru those channels and would never listen to them, they are really hard to take seriously, when you talk about the knives it is hard to take you seriously because that is ALL you talk about. I think the folks here all like you and respect you and are not trying to insult you, merely trying to get a point across. This is not a dig, just an observation <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbup.gif" alt="" />

No offense taken. Each of us have certain qualities in knives that urge us to lean more towards others than... well, others. For me, given my profession, I must have something that WILL NOT break. I can always put an edge on a knife. But I cannot replace it if it breaks. So, for me, toughness is the biggest issue. Period. People like Horn Dog and Bruce dont have the same profession that I do and use their knives more than I do or more regularly. They are pro knife collectors. (not saying that a collector doesnt use his knives) They have a wide array of applications for their knives. I do not. I have an SOD that I have beaten the hell out of. And truth is, aside from camping occasionally, i have no real life use for it. (in terms of my profession - be honest, you arent going to carry a SOD on your LBV as a 2LT) I have a few Busse SD's. they see daily carry and serve me wonderfully. I have 2 DMCG's. I havent beaten the hell out of either of them at this point. But as someone else pointed out, just because one doesnt beat the hell out of their knives, doesnt mean that they cant use them or attest to their strength. For example, I dont have to beat the hell out of my S6 to say its one of the best knives made. Or that its one of the toughest. Why? Because NUMEROUS others have done so already. I can use mine and know that I have one of the best. The DMCG is the same way. Ergonomically, it is one of the toughest knives made. Period. .285 inch thick saber ground SR77 with a penetrator tip on a knife that is 5 inches long, is [censored] near indestructible. There is this sentiment that because the main threads I join in on are about SR77 and its toughness, that "im not taken seriously." Well, to each his own. I dont ask to be taken anyway. Im here because I love SY and the Busse family's mastery of knives. I am not here and not concerned with how members take me. I do not offend people on this forum and i abide within the rules of the forum. Im respectful to others and take shots from others more often than others, for the most part and its all fine. But alas, for me, given my chosen profession, i stand by and proudly carry the torch of toughness when it comes to buying knives. If this doesnt make sense to some, well, it doesnt have to. I mean I could always take Andy Wayne as not serious because he carries a HUGE knife to the mall and takes pictures in the bathroom. Most people consider that odd or well... crazy. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> But for me, I dont care. I dont think he is crazy. He does his thing and thats fine by me. Im a liberal and am cool with others doing their thing. Respect others' posts and what means something to them and they shall do the same to you.


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Seed- I don't think SB is a hater- I think he was merely " trying" to explain something. We all love ya little guy-Thanks <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbup.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />


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I appreciate tests like this (esp. when appropriate safety measures are taken <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />). Although I would (probably <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />) never do this normally to my SOD, it IS very nice to see the toughness on display, and if I should ever have to rely upon it (should my mind get me into a situation that my body can't get me out of <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />) it will not fail. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />


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Recon, everyone takes you seriously, at least I do. It just so happens you are the biggest SR77 fan of us all.


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nope, i AM still laughing at you for selling that DMCG though <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

LOL !!! Nice one !!!! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

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Good question, Momaw. It wasn't destroyed, and in fact I was out trimming branches with it the other day. But I wouldn't use it in critical situations anymore, given the abuse it's taken and the potential for hidden damage.

And ReC0n SEED, you were right!!! SR-77 is a beast!
Seed, you seem like a really nice guy, you really do, you should be commended for you service to your country and your gung ho spirit, that said I think you are missing the point of what people here say regarding your posts. I have been following your posts ever since you joined the Swamprat forum, yes toughness is important but you come across like some evangelical preacher you see on TV, even though I believe in God and live my life accordingly I blow right thru those channels and would never listen to them, they are really hard to take seriously, when you talk about the knives it is hard to take you seriously because that is ALL you talk about. I think the folks here all like you and respect you and are not trying to insult you, merely trying to get a point across. This is not a dig, just an observation <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbup.gif" alt="" />

No offense taken. Each of us have certain qualities in knives that urge us to lean more towards others than... well, others. For me, given my profession, I must have something that WILL NOT break. I can always put an edge on a knife. But I cannot replace it if it breaks. So, for me, toughness is the biggest issue. Period. People like Horn Dog and Bruce dont have the same profession that I do and use their knives more than I do or more regularly. They are pro knife collectors. (not saying that a collector doesnt use his knives) They have a wide array of applications for their knives. I do not. I have an SOD that I have beaten the hell out of. And truth is, aside from camping occasionally, i have no real life use for it. (in terms of my profession - be honest, you arent going to carry a SOD on your LBV as a 2LT) I have a few Busse SD's. they see daily carry and serve me wonderfully. I have 2 DMCG's. I havent beaten the hell out of either of them at this point. But as someone else pointed out, just because one doesnt beat the hell out of their knives, doesnt mean that they cant use them or attest to their strength. For example, I dont have to beat the hell out of my S6 to say its one of the best knives made. Or that its one of the toughest. Why? Because NUMEROUS others have done so already. I can use mine and know that I have one of the best. The DMCG is the same way. Ergonomically, it is one of the toughest knives made. Period. .285 inch thick saber ground SR77 with a penetrator tip on a knife that is 5 inches long, is [censored] near indestructible. There is this sentiment that because the main threads I join in on are about SR77 and its toughness, that "im not taken seriously." Well, to each his own. I dont ask to be taken anyway. Im here because I love SY and the Busse family's mastery of knives. I am not here and not concerned with how members take me. I do not offend people on this forum and i abide within the rules of the forum. Im respectful to others and take shots from others more often than others, for the most part and its all fine. But alas, for me, given my chosen profession, i stand by and proudly carry the torch of toughness when it comes to buying knives. If this doesnt make sense to some, well, it doesnt have to. I mean I could always take Andy Wayne as not serious because he carries a HUGE knife to the mall and takes pictures in the bathroom. Most people consider that odd or well... crazy. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> But for me, I dont care. I dont think he is crazy. He does his thing and thats fine by me. Im a liberal and am cool with others doing their thing. Respect others' posts and what means something to them and they shall do the same to you.


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Recon, are you going to chop that magazine up?


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yea stick em in the eye! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />


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Wazzup Gambit!

Been outdoors mainly. Work has been rough but at least it's paying the bills.
Used the SOD on some branches and with Vic's convex edge it cut like butter.

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Careful now, that magazine could be misconstruded as a threat----a threat to me!


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no kidding...

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The damage that the SoD absorbed and laughed at is impressive! Thanks for showing us how SR77 can be punished and keep a smile.

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Always neat to see these tests performed on other's knives!

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please please please keep the "liberal" garbage off the forum. Chop up that rag of a magazine.

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I don’t carry a hammer, chisel, crowbar, hatchet, shovel, large screwdriver and the like when I go in deep, I just carry a tough trail knife. It’s the Swiss Army Knife of backcountry tools. And because I use it for so many different and often demanding tasks, I carry the toughest knife I can get.

So how can you separate the tough ones from the pretenders? There are no standards for trail knives, knifemakers use tricks to promote their wares, and most people recommend what they own, which is what their friends own. If you really want to know, you have to do the research yourself.

I assembled a box of candidates for my latest test. I added more knives later, but these were the starters.
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I’ll cover the other knives later, but for now let’s focus on the Scrap Yard SOD, shown here at the test site. There’s a lot of talk about how tough the SOD’s SR-77 steel is, mostly from people who’ve never put it to the test. So let’s see if it measures up.
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The SOD has just been removed from the deep freezer, as evidenced by ice condensation on the blade. If you’re in the snow and have ice condensation, your internals are VERY cold.

But why do this? Because warm steel is tougher steel and harder to detect problems with, while cold steel is more brittle and will reveal its true strength. That’s why knifemakers show off their knives in the Amazon and not the Arctic.

Notice the raised grid on the hammer face, and the dents in the SOD’s edge. I wanted to see if the edge was strong or weak, and would it shatter. So I set the SOD on its spine and hit the edge a few times with the hammer. That’s a large, long handled, grid faced, 28 ounce Estwing framing hammer, heavy and super tough. It hits with authority. The SOD’s edge is strong.
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And here’s the testing block, a solid granite boulder. Notice the grooves in the granite (center frame). Those are from prior chopping tests. Any knife can chop wood, but only the toughest can chop granite in the snow for long.
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Here’s the SOD well into the test.

The SOD was first laid flat on the granite, then hammered on both sides top to bottom full force with over 100 blows from the Estwing. Then the edge was faced into the granite and the spine repeatedly hit full force with the Estwing, driving the blade into and through the granite, splitting off a chunk. The SOD did this without problem and with surprisingly little edge damage.

This was repeated a second time, breaking off a second chunk of granite, as shown here. The whitish substance on the SOD is pulverized granite, embedded in the coating by the force of the side blows and from driving the blade through the granite.
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A third granite block has now been chiseled off. You can see to the upper right where the rock was cut by the SOD’s blade as the spine was pounded with the Estwing.

But before the granite was cut, the SOD was laid flat on the granite and then hit full force on both sides with the Estwing a total of 50 more times. You can see some of the results in the new splits in the RES C grip.

At this point, the SOD has absorbed hundreds of hard blows from the Estwing.
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Here’s a close up of the Res C grip. Notice the ripples caused by impacts from the Estwing’s grid face. I was surprised at how tough the Res C was.
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And here’s the blade. Notice the patterned impacts from the Estwing.

Notice also the marks on the choil. To further test the SOD’s strength, it was placed over a depression in the granite to create a bridge between the tip of the blade and the end of the handle. Then the choil was hit full force with roundhouse swings from the Estwing. This resulted in the knife springing about 5’ up and 10’ distant, a process I call Knife Jumping. This was repeated about a dozen times.

While testing the various knives, some of the lighter knives made with spring steel flew 10-15’ up and 30-50’ distant while Knife Jumping. It was quite a show, if a little dangerous. Drinking beer and then trying to catch the knife or hit it with a bat is not recommended. I think Knife Jumping should be an Olympics sport, but only with sober judges.

Notice the amazingly good condition of the edge. I was quite impressed with the SOD’s toughness.
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Close up of the blade. Notice that the coating on the thicker spine has been completely removed by the side impacts and from driving the blade through the granite. The patterned marks left by the Estwing as it pulverized the coating are clearly visible.

Note again the amazingly good condition of the edge.
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Typical result of an abuse knife test with Knife Jumping. If you don’t see this, you aren’t swinging the Estwing hard enough.
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I did some other tests, including wood chopping (did ok, not great), granite chopping (fun), pry test (strong), and some others that I’ll detail later. Basically, the SOD did just ok in the tests requiring size and mass, no surprise since it’s a mid-size trail knife, and very good in the tests requiring strength and toughness.

So was the SOD tough enough? An unqualified Yes! The SOD is one of the toughest knives I’ve ever tested. Its SR-77 steel proved to be incredibly tough.

If you’re tough on your knife or rely on it in tough spots, take a good look at the SOD. Most people look at styling, edge retention, rust resistance and the like when considering a trail knife, but toughness is the trump card where there’s no backup or second chance. You can always touch up the edge of a knife, but you can’t put it back together if it breaks.

And the SOD is as tough as they come. Subjectively, having owned a number of Busses, I think the SOD is tougher than a comparably sized Busse. It won’t hold an edge as well, or resist rust as well, or do some other things as well as a Busse, but it’s tougher.

Don’t think so? Check KnifeTests.com, where a much smaller Scrapper 6 essentially tied a far larger FFBM in the destruction tests. That’s a ±1.5 wide, full flat ground, .275 thick, partial-tang, SR-77 blade matching up against a 2 wide, saber ground, .32 thick, full-tang, INFI blade. That’s tough stuff!

Here’s my new SOD in a Rainwalker.
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Throw price into the mix and the SOD is a big winner. Superior performance to price indeed!
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I am not sure that there is enough bourbon for me to do Knife Jumping

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Thanks for sharing
Dan

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great test thanks


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haters was a joke fellas <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" /> cmon now... <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />


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i wouldnt be around if i thought my boys here were haters <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

and no i wont rip up the poster of the commander-in-chief. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />


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No offense, but I see absolutely no value in this type of testing. I think it borders on dangerous and you can be lucky that the "knife jumping" trick didn't take out an eye or worse.

For hundreds of years a knife and an axe (and later a rifle) were regarded as essential and life preserving tools and were therefore treated as such. Only lately they seem to have become rock crushers, brick breakers and pipe cutters. Throughout my life I have been taught, first by my father and later by the military, that your equipment is your life and should be cleaned and maintained daily and handled with care and respect and this new tendency to maim and destroy something that is meant to cut soft materials is absolutely contrary to what I have learned and what I will teach my son.

But of course, that's just my opinion. To each his own.
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Different strokes I guess, never have been one to enjoy the torture testing. I think it stands well enough that Busse, SRKW, & SYKC knives are used as rescue tools by SAR teams and even Jerry himself used one of his knives to aid in a rescue.

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im all about threads like this. If a guy wants to beat on his SR77 - I say bring it on... well, then again, so does the STEEL!!! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />


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Whether or not one finds the tests practical, it is simply amazing to see these knives hold up to the stresses that the tests introduce.

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I like other peoples torture tests.

You remember the guy who shot his double cut dumpster mutt with his .45??!!

Lots of ways of playing with our knives!


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I like other peoples torture tests.

You remember the guy who shot his double cut dumpster mutt with his .45??!!

Lots of ways of playing with our knives!
what thread was that on


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Whether or not one finds the tests practical, it is simply amazing to see these knives hold up to the stresses that the tests introduce.

Nicely stated

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I like other peoples torture tests.

You remember the guy who shot his double cut dumpster mutt with his .45??!!

Lots of ways of playing with our knives!
what thread was that on

yea.... cmon post it already!!!!! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />:)


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Bad rock.


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Bad rock.

Exactly <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/sad.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />

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link to referenced test????


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Awesome test there


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Do you have a new one that you can count on? Of course, statistically speaking, you would have to test the second one also since only testing one is meaningless and variations in manufacturing would require a larger sample size.




Te he he.


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link to referenced test????

Ah man, I don't remember...it was maybe 6 months ago? lots of chatting about safety/validity of tests with that one too. It left a nice dent in the blade!


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Maybe plug in .45 in the search for the title...


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i think the guy shot his DMDC with a .45 in a recent thread actually!!!


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i think the guy shot his DMDC with a .45 in a recent thread actually!!!

That would be tough for me to do, but it held up surprisingly well. I would have thought the bullet would have went right through it.


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OK, tomorrow I'm shooting my Camp Tramp with a 12 gauge slug...










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You know, there is TONS of that granite in J-Tree. Maybe the new Regulator is up for the challenge?

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i think the guy shot his DMDC with a .45 in a recent thread actually!!!

That would be tough for me to do, but it held up surprisingly well. I would have thought the bullet would have went right through it.

SR77 is the toughest steel (laterally) on the planet. I wasnt surprised it held up at all. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbup.gif" alt="" />


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sometimes I really feel like I'm nitpicking RS, but i feel like such a strong statement should be a little more valid... and there are some TOUGH steels out there (that can be used for "cutlery") ...some even tougher than sr77!

but when I first saw this I was surprised (and still am now that I look back) at how little damage it suffered.
I really am curious as how other steels would hold up.


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brings some other steels for this same test EMF. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />


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i think the guy shot his DMDC with a .45 in a recent thread actually!!!

That would be tough for me to do, but it held up surprisingly well. I would have thought the bullet would have went right through it.

SR77 is the toughest steel (laterally) on the planet. I wasnt surprised it held up at all. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbup.gif" alt="" />

Wonder how it would hold up against .308 cal


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banana-clip, step up to the plate and provide the test! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> I will support you the entire way!


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haha! I don't have any knives made from them Reconseed.
realistically, is anyone going to need a steel tougher than sr77?
NO way! most users aren't even going to need something as tough as sr77!
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I love these kind of tests! It's nice to know that I don't have to worry about any of my Scrap Yards breaking. Thanks! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbup.gif" alt="" />
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