And so it starts...

Came across two DMs on the secondary market today... One wasn't too bad at $100USD, the other is listed at $139! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif" alt="" />

Saw them. One of BF exchange, one on that auction site <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

Considering how many were probably sold this is amazingly few really.

I hope they are going to good homes. At least a few of the people who missed the sale are going to be able to pick one up and experience the love <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

Yeah, the one on BF sold in 16 minutes. I hope the one on ebay doesn't sell really. Just too much markup! If it does sell, my brother may end up getting something else for his birthday! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" />

I'd sell my left....er...tire before I sold my Mutt <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

Not gonna sell mine! Might sell his though... <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

I got four but two are for me and the other two are going to family members. If I was gonna sell one I would wait several month. Seems a little silly to start selling them right off the bat. I'm sure them value of this knife will only increase over time.

I bet it sells soon.

Came across a Dog Father that sold with sheath for 190 today

Ouch..

With taxes and shipping that's about what mine cost. $190 is a very decent deal with the factory sheath.

I stand corrected then! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" />

Hmm, good point Kraz when you factor everything in.. I just thought $50 markup, robbing blighter.. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

That was my first reaction as well! Then you add the $20 for the sheath and it was still $30, then shipping 10 or 15? goes up pretty fast!

hwy guys .. nmy Df cost 200 inc shipping .. cosndiering how good it is i think that is still a bargain

i am concerned that people are buying Dan's knives to make a quik but it may be a free market bt some people <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

The only time a robust secondary market is a bad thing is when a single buyer controls it. Effectively they become a secondary product distributor who adds little value other than capitalizing on the initial sale from Dan and Patti.

I have a more positive view than most regarding why a robust secondary market is good.

First, it sets a pricing expectation above the retail price point of the product. If you want to use the knife and for some reason don't like it, you can sell it for most or all of what you paid in the first place. This is good for all of us. You can't have this benefit without a secondary market in which the value is greater than the initial retail sales price.

The second benefit is that the secondary market ultimately distributes knives to folks who really want them and use them. I would have paid $125 for the Dumpster Mutt, no problem, if I could not have been there at release night. It is worth that TO ME and if the only way I could purchase one would have been to pay more I would have happily done so.

Looking in the rear view mirror on pricing is IMO a terrible way to treat something that is a discretionary purchase that is supposed to bring you joy. If you really want something and you believe the value is satisfactory by your measure, what it was priced at originally really doesn't matter. If it did there would be no stock market...think about it. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

Beam me up Scotty!

Wow Kraz! You sound like my sister. She has a PHD in economics. Sounds about right to me, though. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbup.gif" alt="" />

No Piled Higher and Deeper here <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> Just a longtime marketing guy who has been to the rodeo once or twice <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

Good call Kraz. I gladly paid $540 for my CGFBM on the 2ndary. I still don't like the idea of someone cleaning house just to resell at a profit though.

Whatever price it sold at, it was worth it to that person who bought it. And if the purchaser is happy then that can't be a bad thing. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

It's the mysterious invisible hand of Adam Smith...sorry H-D got me going talking about economics <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

That is ok. I believe in the market theory of value. I fought Commies, who believe in the labor theory of value.

LOL, spoken like a real Dog <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbup.gif" alt="" />

Dan

I just picked up a DM from a guy on BF and I paid $110.00 plus shipping. I was hoping to get one a little cheaper at around 100.00. I think I got a good deal though as I believe these blades will only increase in value from this point. I just got my first Scrap Yard Knife about a week ago and it was an S6. I am very impressed with this knife. I would definitely take the Scrapper 6 into combat with me and not worry one bit about damaging it.

I paid $200 including shipping for my DF. I missed the release by a week or so.
It is a fine brute of a knife. You'll love your Dumpster Mutt.

I know I will HD, seeing the pics here already. I missed it friday as i didn't get home in time from work.

Grats buddy! Feel lucky you were able to find a DM at all! I would pay $125 for the knife, no sweat! THERE IS NOTHING IN THE WORLD LIKE A DM! Repeat after me <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" /> You cannot buy a knife like this anywhere for any price. Think about it.

If you think the S6 is impressive holy cow you will not believe the DM. When I picked it up my first word was..well we'll skip that part. I held it my hand for about an hour before I used it. It just feels that good.

Anyway, I'm blabbing on. The value part will take care of itself. Just enjoy using it.

Good Kraz. I paid 170 with cardboard sheath for my DOG FATHER some guy from BF sent me email and like magic ~poof~ it was there in 2 days. I was happy to pay that price. That included shipping!

You got a great deal Stan! I paid $188 (I went and pulled out the invoice) for the DF, the factory sheath, shipping and Texas state tax.

I just hope that the person getting it treats it well and uses it!!

Treating a DM well would be like using a Lamborghini to go for groceries.. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />

Has anyone seen the SS4 on that auction site with a buy now option of $250?! A bit of a mark up there!

What he doesn't know can't hurt me! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />

so far, one sold bladeforums, another for sale there now, and one up for trade, and one on fleabay- with each add, prices are jumping about $10+ yikes! still reasonable imo-

Gonna be fun to see where it stops. I was surprised the Busse guys didn't give it more of a luck with how liked the Busse Basic handles are... They might be a good market though, they pay the big bucks for stuff. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />

They'll have to pry my Dumpster Mutt from my cold dead hands! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif" alt="" />

lol... Heck, i have 5 but like them so much, when i saw that first one for sale for $100 i really got the itch/twitch to get another... how bad do i have the sickness.

Not too bad yet. If you had purchased another one, well, that would say something! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />

I haven't decided if I'll part with my dumpster mutt yet. It's kind of growing on me. And I'm leaning towards keeping it. So I may end up designating it the wife knife. Then again I may just keep ot for myself. It's a handy enough size for travelling.

I would think that over hte next few weeks or months, the resale price of DM's will go DOWN.

Why?

Knobganza

Bladeganza

Shipment of BATACs

etc.,

Look at most of the Warden prices. LOTS of guys selling them for AT COST on BF. COST! No more $50-100 markup.

I didn't grab a DM at the outset. I probably won't no matter what. Not my cup of tea. But $140 makes me choke on my beverage of choice when I saw it. Why buy it just to resell it??? Are people that fiscally irresponsible or that much of a gold-digger??? We're talking $50-70 profit. Seems like a decent amount of work to get it versus just working for a living. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

I think you may be wrong on that assumption. Heres why. There are plenty of Game Wardens to go around. If I had the money I would buy one myself. It all comes down to supply and demand. The DM was a one time release and after the people who bought multiples of that blade run out of stock selling on the secondary market, they will be scarce on BF and auction sites. They are still making Game Wardens but there will be no more Dumpster Mutts as we now know them so the prices will SkyRocket.

It is all supply and demand.

I would buy one now if you want one. It's gonna cost you more later

There are no more Fire Wardens, or Fence Fried Wardens, or tan wardens or whatever being made. Worse, it is now over a year since many of those models were made. Bottom line, they didn't really increase in value much except temporarily. People who bought them as an investment are trying to escape at breakeven now.

The knife community is not so large that it can absorb an infinite supply of Dumpster Mutts. There are new choices being offered by every manufacturer constantly that compete for potential customers discretionary purchasing dollars. If the Dumpster Mutt isn't available the customer will just buy something else. Why pay a big premium if you're not a Busse enthusiast already?

The assumption that you can flip X large number of blades at an extraordinary price is also a risky assumption to make. These are niche blades that few folks really know about. Most of the market demand is driven by word of mouth or forum posts. And the people who do purchase them are educated in the secondary market prices. Add to this you will be compete against other flippers on price. To achieve a decent profit margin you may have to sell them over a long period of time.

The only way I would commit the capital to flip 100 blades is by mounting a marketing effort that brings folks outside of the "chosen" into the fold. Destruction tests on YouTube, a Dumpster Mutt website, haunting every single knife related on the planet, etc.

We can agree to disagree on this but this isn't "easy money" on a $/hour basis.

2 have sold on the auction site for 139.00, and there is currently one posted with a BIN price of 169.00. I wonder if it will sell for that.

If you can't afford a badger at $233 then that might just go..

Yea double the price already.

If it keeps going it will be triple.

I am glad I found one at cost from a fellow dog but would have paid more for such a great knife (so I hear).

I tend to agree that as long as both parties are happy then it's a good deal at any price. I'm just happier when I pay less for more. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />

+1

and I have and will again. That's what is so great about Rats, Hogs, and Dogs! Good people all around. I have seen this done for complete strangers as well. A very giving community indeed. I am happy to be a part of them all. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/bowdown.gif" alt="" />

That Texas state tax is definitely a stinker! It hurts just a bit when you check out but once your blades get to you it just doesn't matter anymore.

Yeah KS, the 8.25% is a scorcher but I am happy to live in a state with no state income tax! Easy trade for me. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbup.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

If prices hit 180+ I may be moved to sell two and keep three, but i doubt i will sell one for less... i just like them too much, and need (as a user) too much.

however, the Howling fat retailed for $98? and 225 for a lightly used one is quite reasonable to pay now.. and i think the dmutt is better- so what does that tell you about value?

That's the thing about these knives. They retail really low (I hope Dan didn't hear that). Super under priced. So the secondary market prices are almost what I would have expected from the get go. So either way you win if you score one because you either get the deal of a life time from the Yard or you get a fair deal from the secondary market. IMHO.

It pisses me off when people who struggle to get one have to pay a premium from the "investor collector" to get a great user that should have cost them under 100.

It seems that people pray on the misfortunes of others...some call it oppertunity...I call it a shame!

No one is going to get rich off this other than the Brothers Busse. I already have put ohiomitch on my craplist for his flipping of the DM.

GF: that is what I saw happen to the Rats for a time. They came out with some of the best knives on the market for a great price. Their goal seemed to be focused on getting the best knives for the $$$ to those who could not afford their more expensive brothers (Busse). But when certain models discontinued there was a huge price increase. Especially from those who seemed to have several on hand. The only problem I have with this is that the reason certain models went out of stock so fast is because some people bought several with the sole intent to jack up the price. It's their right I know.

But what of the poor dude who only wanted one, as a user, and could only afford it at the Swamps great pricing. Once on the secondary market it was once again out of his price range.

I remember my first rat. It was a SR-101 Bog Dog. I paid $120.00 on the secondary market. Currently that is a very low price for that model. But it sold orignally for around $75.00 I think. I have seen them for as much as $300.00

I have nothing against the guy who buys a knife, like the Mutt, to try it out. Then after a time decides he needs something different. And as it happens his knife has increased in value. So he sells it at a profit. That's a different situation.

That is why I am thankful for getting my Mutt for basically the original price. Would I have paid more? Hell yes. But for others who missed out they may be turned off for good. And that's bad. IMO.

Sorry for the rant guys. I just want to see a Bone for every Dog. Some cheese for every Rat. And some, well slop, for every Hog. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />

Now back to my zombie movie.

norseman, well put. screw the capitalists preying on the poor. i bought one dumpster mutt. i wasn't sure i'd like it and thought i may end up selling it when the scrapper 7 came out. no chance of that now.

The struggle I refer to is that some folks don't make enough money to easily buy these knives and can just swing Dan's prices...then Screwheads buy them up and jack up the price because they think they can make money off of it!

Yeah I thought I'd check out the DM as well. I was pretty certain that it was something I'd turn around and sell because frankly 5 inch knives don't fit into my personal requirements of knives. But it's grown on me. So i'll send Leatherface some money tomorrow for a sheath.

Hi guys,

Here's my 2 cents.

For reference, I'm an active duty soldier in an intensive training schedule while on a short notice deployment alert. I bought a second hand Street Scrapper 4 for my 1st line some time ago from a great gentleman from one of the knife forums and I was absolutely thoroughly impressed with the knife. But...


Sad story part 1.

So I figured since I really need a good solid E&E edged tool for my convoy kit for the dark continent the Dogfather might fit that role perfectly.

I was maybe a good few days, maybe even a week late from the dogfather release and sent an email to Scrapyard enquiring of the availability. Got a answer a week later, while I was in a ftx that no problem, they have one for me and will send it when I confirm my details. So after the ftx ended my reply to that email was like a week from that. And my reply never got a return. Me sad.


Sad story Part 2.

So, then I heard of a new really hard duty combat blade being released so I figured, I have got to secure this one! It would fit the bill spot on in my 2nd line.

I found out the preliminary release schedule and compared it to my training schedule and figured that no way was I so unlucky that I could not get myself a Dumpster Mutt because my ftx during the estimated release time was only a few days overlapping. So my ftx started and the sale had not got started yet. Slightly nervous, after a week I came back and saw that the release had been like two days ago. Went to the company shop and...them Mutts was gone! Me one sad puppy...


I was hit with some big bills this month so I can't even think of getting a second hand Scrapyard anytime soon.

Also, second hand option is not the one I go very easily because of the fact that like some here, I don't like the idea of people purchasing several blades for profit. Also the release system of relatively short supply released in one go seems not to be working for guys on the constant go too well. Too bad because Scrapyard is at the top of my book as far as blades go. They are great combat and hard duty tools I'm sure.

I'm just telling this to give you guys a little perspective, my perspective. Heck, there may be a preorder procedure that I could have used but atleast I am not aware of one.


Thanks for hearing me out. Take care.

Welcome to the Yard Dan! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> I hope you’re able to find a “bone” at a good price. If not, more DFs and S6s are on the way, so you’ll have another chance at them in the short future.

I understand what you are saying.....hell, I am guilty of it when Game Wardens first came out...then I saw the struggle that some folks have getting some blades and it bothered to see the people I talked too so much cut short by greedy people who are in the right place with the right amount of money. I began to hold a few till folks could save their money and even gave some away for less than cost. And I tell you that felt much better than making $30-40 off a knife that someone could have got at cost, but I was greedy and eager and now I try to give away more. I understand getting an extra to resell ...later, but immediatly flipping it for 2x the cost....that is dirty!

Warriors and feather merchants have different norms, GF. I do not personally profiteer from resales, but we are living in a free market economy. I cannot condemn those who do. Those veterans who are able will take care of our active duty brothers who may be unable to order in a timely manner due to deployment or training. The dogs in the yard have demonstrated their willingness to help those who may have other obligations at the time of a release. That is the best we can do.

How about this hypothetical. I got 50,000 dollars laying around doing nothing, I am a keen collector investor willing to take a risk and double my money possibly. I wait for the release announcement, Place my order for 1000 knives. There is no limit right. Only 1200 were made, so I corner the market on these highly sought after blades. If you were one of the 200 who also got to order your good, or someone else scarfed up the other 200. So now 2 people control the market for these knives. So now if you want one instead of paying $69.95 for one you will have to go through me or my partner and pay $149.99. I am not against a free market and someone making some money. But I think there does need to be some kind of limit on the number any one individual can buy at one time.

Welcome to the yard Dan107! Sorry to hear about your missing out on the blades. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" />

Are you with the US or Canadian military?

How do we not know that some people are not buying hundreds of blades at a time and reselling them, when the yard sells out in less than an hour. I agree that large purchaser should be able to go directly to the manufacturer. Then that would make them a dealer and maybe Dan does not want that. The only other way is to put a limit on the number you can order in 24 hours, maybe 10 or 20, I don't know, but who else besides a profiteer would order more than that at one time.

Welcome to the Yard Dan107. I hope you will find the blades you seek. If I come accross an exra at retail. I will be happy to let you know with a PM and get it to you at cost. Both of the blades you want are in high demand now but it could happen. I will be happy to get an extra knife of the next release for you if you are unable to be online. Just let one of us know in advance and I'm sure one of the dogs can help you get a SYKCO blade. Good luck.

In regards to price increases: This is one reason I really love the Rats, Hogs, and Dogs knives. I have often seen a knife I like and would like to try out but has doubled or tripled on the open market. But it so happens that I have had another knife that has done the same value wise. So I will go to the "Trade" forum. This way it doesn't matter how much it was jacked up because although I want a knife that has tripled in price I am willing to trade my knife which has tripled in price. Trading often seems a great way to get the best bang for your buck. Just my 2 cents.

Gravelface,

I have seen the load of overpriced knives you are selling (and have sold) over on BF and you sir are FULL OF CRAP!

The idea that there is someone out there that really needed a DM, didn't get it and is now suffering is delusional.

You should take a basic economics class, or find a worthy cause to right....

Both of you:

Let's keep flame wars and flaming off this site. Either speak arguments based in content, without ad hominem attacks, or take the discussion to private communications (phone calls, emails, etc .) to settle your disputes.

Come on guys, let's keep things civil !!! I understand where both of you are coming from, and you both should be able to tolerate each other's opinion whether you agree with it or not. This is a great forum, so let's keep it that way. If you really feel like you have to unload on someone do it via a personal message instead of starting a big controversy on the forum.

OhioMitch, I want to say Howdy and Welcome to the Yard ! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbup.gif" alt="" /> I hope you and Gravelface can "bury the hatchet", and NOT in each other's back! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif" alt="" /> He really is a great guy, and I suspect you guys can easily co-exist with just a little patience and effort. Please join in on our conversations, and again - Welcome! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" /> Tom

Mike - you beat me to it!! So, how are you doing ? I hope you are feeling up to snuff now, or at least better than before! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif" alt="" /> We enjoy your photos, so please post some more. You and Ted take some great shots - how do you like Dan Melone's pictures from Kenya ? Dan is our forum's real-life Indiana Jones!! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbup.gif" alt="" /> Anyway, always good to hear from you, so keep posting! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> Tom

Thanks for the welcome.
I have been lurking here and have learned a lot! Love all the destructive testing pictures. I have been meaning to jump in, and I think it is sad that my first post
is defending myself.....

I am not really interested in a flame war, but I saw my name in print here.....
How can you not respond to that? Especially when it is hypocritical.

I have no respect for people who slam people behind their backs.

Hi Mitch, and welcome to the yard.

Hi Horn Dog!
My wife says if I buy a viking helmet I am OUT!

It is not a requirement, Mitch.

Welcome Mitch!

Welcome to the Yard Mitch.

Welcome to the Yard! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />

Thank you all for the suggestions. I especially appreciate the Sir with the horned helmet and the other gentleman for their kind offerings. My drivel must have been too horrible for them to look at. I am however respectfully declining the offers as I live in Ye Olde Europe and I believe this was not clear to them from my first post. But I do find it great that there are a few that would be willing to help a deserving US serviceman without hesitation if help was needed.

If I may still add to the conversation, one of my points sort of was the sales method and the second hand prices that may fit fine (perfectly?) for collectors adding the excitement of purchasing a new cool hard duty blade from a small volume manufacturer. Those with steady life and work can surely easily deal with timing critical sales by batches but to those of us that live more fastpaced life with many unknown factors thrown in acquiring a Scrapyard may be somewhat tricky. It has certainly proven difficult for me.

Dan107,
I hear you..
If you can believe it.. there were Some knives that were even Worse!
yes the Dumpster Mutt sold out in ~4 hours..

But, the 2nd Offer of Street Scrapper 4 sold out in LESS than 5 Minutes!!
Some of the first Busse Game Wardens sold out in Seconds!!

So yes.. some of the more "limited" knives are Very Crazy!

However.. having said that.. Other knives such as Scrapper 6 lasted for Months, so did the HRLMs.
Dog Father lasted ~3-1/2 days.
SwampRat Mini-Mojos are In Stock right Now! these have been what? over a month now?
And there are several Busses In-Stock right now as well.. BATAC, AK, FBM..

so the 'regular production' type knives tend to be In-Stock much longer.

Welcome Dan107!

Hello Dan107,
I have a schedule that is very similar to yours as you describe it. I completely missed the first releases of the SYKCO line. I was very fortunate to be around for the DF release. One of the things that make this forum so great is the interactions and helping fellow dogs. I will receive a DM from a fellow dog who was kind enough to cover me. Even though you are accross the big pond, I believe it is possible for you to get one or more of the knives you seek. Please let me know if you want to try.

Yep. That about sums it up.

bld522,that's pretty [censored] good..
you beat out some hardcore veteran hogs on That one then!
that 2nd offer was um.. a Frenzy for sure!

hmm.. speaking of HRLMs..
looks like it's last call for those at SwampRat..
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?p=4513580#post4513580

after they're gone.. i don't think they'll be seen again for quite awhile!


:edit: doh, looks like they disappeared an hour after the announcement