411 vs Rodent 4

Except for the obvious handle design/material and slightly different blade, why would I not pick up the Rodent 4?
At least I can buy one now instead of waiting for who knows how long. Just keepin' it all in the same family.

If you bought an R4 directly from the swamp you'd still be waiting for a few weeks.

The blades are really almost identical, and mudders offer a big difference in weight.

I guess I can wait a little longer, maybe.
When I gifted my 411 I didn't think I would miss it that much. WRONG!!!

I've never had a 411, but did have a Scrapper 5 which is close. That being said, I did have a Rodent 4 for a short spell (days).

I really like the mudder grips, but the R4 also had a great handle IMO. The 411 will be a bit lighter due to handle construction.

All in all, I don't see how you can justify the extra $30 bucks for the R4. If they both cost the same, it would be a much harder decision but the Scrap Yard Price to Performance ratio reigns supreme.

I completely agree you. I do love the mudder handles too.

Most folks consider micarta handles to be superior to "rubber" ones. It matters more to me on big choppers, but the the steel is the same. The molded handles keep the costs lower, and work just fine. My new "Yard Knife" is the 1311. I have other SY, SW, and Busse choppers, but none tops my 1311 in performance. The bottom line is, get the best you can afford.

BTW: I love mudder handles.

Mudders are great

A thread without pics...


They're both great!

I like the mudders! But I think the choil is to big for the knife.

A nice 411 review :
http://www.australianbladeforums.com/vb4/showthread.php?9777-Scrap-Yard-SYKCO-411-Review

Elof
Thanks for the side by side picture.
I know that muddier handle is more comfortable.

Fred,
No problem.
I ordered Rodents 4 & 6 with another member here, Magoo, (international postage is $55) and they were delivered to his place. When I went to pick them up, mine were still wrapped, I took Magoo's R4 and just could not put it down! It was that comfortable.
If I wasn't picking up mine at the time, we'd probably stop being friends 'cos I'd go home with his... Just a perfect fit for my hand.
R5 has the same style handle just a bit bigger, but unfortunately it has flat slabs, R4 has greatly contoured handle!

Very nice set of knives there!

I'm with Elof concerning the R5 vs R4 handle. While I am a huge fan of the R4 handle, I don't care much for the R5 handle without the contours. I really think it needed some contouring, it just didn't feel right to me like the R4.

If only I could get a choilless 5.5" blade on the Rodent 4 handle, that would be heaven......

Yeah with that handle/guard there is no need for a choil at all.

With you on that Pit!

Personally I like a big choil only if it's big enough to accept my index finger. If it is not big enough, then smaller is better, if that makes sense. The choil on the 411 id barely big enough, a real tight fit for my finger.

BTW
I just emailed Renee about the order page and timeline availability for the 411.
I'm sure she gets plenty of those daily, but I have to ask.

44Fred, I took a dremel tool to my Wardog and made the choil on it just about 1/8 inch longer. Works like a champ for my finger now.

Renee emailed me back pretty quick.
All is well in the yard. The order page will hopefully within the week.

I really like my War Dog as well. That idea is great.
Thank you, Fred

411 for me.... I just can't get along with the funky R series bumped handles....my bank account is VERY grateful for this....!!! Godson No2 is VERY fond of his 411 and it has now skinned pleanty of critters (a fox, a deer and a cat in the last couple of weeks) now as well..I suspect i will have "upgrade" his sister's Izula for her soon as well....

Would that be a house cat, Andy? I thought they only ate those in Asia......

MM

We've got a plague of feral cats in Oz... And goats, foxes (well they're not domestic critters, but introduced species anyway), rabbits, camels, horses, pigs...

If Andy's Godson takes down a Camel with a 411 I'll buy him a beer!

MM

I really like mudders, and don't like the handle shape on the R4.

Woo hoo!
Just got my new 411 ordered.

I was about to call myself on that same decision - but thank god the stroe it back up an running now I have quite a few Rat´s but now I really want my first Yard

I like the mudder and looking forward to getting a sheath for it and taking it out hunting. Gun Dog makes mention of the choil being to big, I would like to see just a tad deeper more for the index finger to feel secure because it now feels just a tad shallow.

Recommendations for a sheath to dress out the 4-11?

I don't have either knife, but the Rodent 5 is really SWEET!!!

Gunfixrjoe makes a fine one.

I'm sure that any of the sheathmakers would do a fine job.

Feral Cat.....

Yup, what Tom said.

Oh man, that cat on the left looks like our bob-tail that sleeps on my pillow!!!

Where that was shot mate there is no chance it is a house cat. Out here they are a real problem. Mt Goddaughter there has her own cats she loves very much as well.

Andy

Cats and pigs have probably caused more harm to native species worldwide where they have been introduced by man (only the rat or mouse may be worse)then anything else

What will she do with the cats?

There are two rabbits a cat and a fox there...rabbits will be stewed I would guess, the fox and cat pelts will get kept for something.

Well, at least the rabbits should taste good!

Yippie!
My CC just got charged for the 411. I think I'll go leather this time around.

Alright Fred! Just remember to post pics!

Rainwalker just got back to me in regards to a sheath.
I'm going basic. Black with belt loop and snap retainer.
I'm not letting this one get away.

Sounds good...that's what I make for myself.

Some day I guess I´ll own both of them just in case my personal taste is different...
But before the next 700$ plus order will be submitted, the HUGE order from SY has to arrive...