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Blade 07!!!! Hell Yeah!!!!!

I would say that Jerry's is a pretty darn good testamonial to the DogFather!!!!

That Blade Show sure sounds tempting! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

Dan needs to send him (Cliff) one to torture, that'd be a great advert to have!

Nice of Jerry to 'big-up' the DF, just as well the FBM is out of production now..

awesome post. we all knew the bottom line anyway, it's more knife than you'll ever need and an extremely sweet deal.

Jerry sums it up pretty well. S77 is tougher than INFI. By how much? I'd say about twice. Most of us will never see that difference between both of these super tough steels.

bld522,Cool find bld!
Here's the link..
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?p=4347499

I did a pretty rough test on my SS4 and was very impressed. All it did was scratch the coating. Even whacking the polished spine through a board with an axe handle did nothing, not even a scratch on the spine.
Jerry was brutally honest about the DF thats for sure.

No he did not say that read it again.




yes. Even though the FBM offers a bit more performance in every category than the DF the difference is not commensurate with the price difference. INFI has some wierd properties to it that no other steel has. It has more lateral strength than S7 so in prying you will notice a difference. It will go to true when bent further as well. It has tons more edge holding and that you will notice. Well sharpened INFI seems to sharpen itself sometimes. I have blades I have used for years for slicing and cutting that still shave. Much more corrosion resistance.

So in overall performance INFI is still the winner.
Price to performance the DF wins.


Both are based off of Shock Steels. Pretty much there is nothing tougher than these two steels. The only commonly available steels that even come close in shock resistance are S7, A8 and L6, and none of thse can maintain a decent edge.

The real question comes down to the price to performance ratio. Is Infi a better all around steel, yep. However, is it worth twice as much, for the difference. Considering that you're not getting twice the performance, I don't think so.

Personally, I think Infi is best served on smaller blades like the SS4, that'll see a lot of cutting and daily use task. However, the dogfather really only has one job, and that's to chop; it's simply to big for much else in my opinion. So is it really worth the extra cash to do in Infi, that's for you to decide, but personally I'll save my pennies.

You also have to remember that these knives are being offered as leftover materials that Busse was experimenting with. Once they are gone, they are gone. Now, I kow they probably have a lot of SR77 and who knows what else. But SR101 ad INFI will be around and as long as their resiprene supplies last, scrapyard is bound to do well.

Also, the main point here is handle material, if you like them rubberized, then these are it. If not then you go with Busse or Swamp Rat at a higher cost.

I can't wait till the scrapper 4 comes out in SR77 for well under the Scrapper 6 price. Imagine a small utility blade that will be cheaper and tougher than just about anything on the market, at what will probably be about 50 bucks.

Dan will just go over to sr101 when the sr77 pile is gone.. (Or just steal Jerry's steel!)

So what really is the performance gap between SR77 and INFI. Since the DF will be my first venture into the Busse family/extended family I don't really have anything to compair it to other than my Carbon V Trail Master which I have absolutly no doubt that the Trail Master would be munched attacking a concrete block.


Bors

No, I said it <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />


Let's hope <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbup.gif" alt="" />

Wow, that IS a glowing testimonial!!

Wahooo, Blade '07!!

I want a Game Warden and a Warboar made by Scrapyard..WHEW THERE I SAID IT!!!

The INFI warboar is a waste...you dont need ultimate edge holding from a slasher...MAKE IT IN SR77 or heck even O-1 and I would buy it!

I feel reborn now!!!


Ok here we go

lets be honest guys...How many of us are REALLY going to test these knives to a point that we could even tell a difference?? I would say around 95% of knifebuyers wont ever take it to that level

ME?? I just like to beat them through stuff to see what it will take! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

For the Record, I do not know how Scrapyards Business is run. So I do not know how items or materials will last, but I was right about the DF, since it is still around and all of you thought it was going to be gone in less than half a day. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

Anyway, The very meaning of Scrapyard knives is that they are using the leftovers from both Busse and SwampRats. So let's look at this. Busse originally used Resiprene in their Basics. Swamp rat used it in their original line. How much Resiprene is left? Enough to make 10,000 maybe 20,000 knives? I doubt more than that?

Steels. Ok, Jerry has experiemented with countless steels including vascowear ATS34, A-2 and Damascus. His stock of SR77 can't be more than say several thousand pounds? Maybe 20,000 to 30,000 pounds since a mill run ot a specially formulated steel would have to be at least that large to make it worth buying.

My guess is that all the fairly large knives will be made out of the SR77 since there is complete sheet stock.

My guess is also that the smaller knives will be made of the cut out portions of INFI and SR101 that are left after Busse and SRKW are made. These scraps are probably not big enough to make anything bigger than a 4 inch blade, so I would bet that all the small stuff will be a combo of INFI scraps, SR101 scraps and even SR77 scraps that are left over from the larger blades made of SR77.

But, we know that the swamp has also used D2 and S30V. So is there a backstock of that stuff and might we see a scrapyard folder in both of those steels? Might we see knives made of vascowear and damascus. Could bone handles be in the works. Might there be micarta left overs for small batches?

What happens when the resiprene runs out? Will they get the stuff reordered, thereby, not being a scrapyard anymore. Will we have to call them "The Company Formerly know as Scrapyard Knives"? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

This guessing game is fun. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

And if I was Dan, I wouldn't tell us squat. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

However, I would love to see a Dogfather in Damascus....That would be awesome

For that matter, I would love to see a Battlemistress out of Damascus

A kerambit in SR-101 or SR-77 is an equal waste, for what a kerambit is used for.


I can see folks really testing out a steel's ability in something like a 6-7" camp knife or 9-10" bowie or a crash axe, but not a neck knife or a kerambit.

100% in agreement. Not a better deal to be had anywhere. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbup.gif" alt="" />

No he did not say that read it again.[quote]

I didn't say he did. It's my own opinion that S77 is tougher than infi. If that makes more sense.

I'm with bld522 on that one, the DF is the best value nearly-indestructable big chopper out there... Just take a mini cleaning kit and some oil on long camping trip to keep it shiny.

Bors- the DF will need sharpening more often than INFI and will surface rust MUCH more easily than INFI... However- I have a major problem with rust, I hate it, I hate steel that rusts.. I own an INFI SS4 and a sr77 S6, I have ordered a DF. Rust is just a surface ugly spot on these knives (till you clean it off) not a major drama. The DF will be the best knife you ever own unless you can live with micarta and you get a FBM!

Rust dosen't bother me I don't mind discolored carbon steel actually I like the looks and it's easy to remove. I do hate Pitting and prefer steels that resist it. IS SR-77 prone to pitting or just oxidation?

Bors

I understand what your saying, I just don't agree. I think your way off and I think Jerry was pretty clear and if it was tougher, Jerry would have said, it is tougher, but he said that "it is every bit as tough as INFI" , not tougher than INFI. But you can pretty much make yourself believe anything you want if you wish. I know what INFI can do, I have been using it for nearly 10 years.
both steels are based off of shock steels so I am pretty sure they will be similar in toughness as Jerry indicated

I don't know if SR77 is, but S7 is not prone to pitting easily and SR77 having more Chrome in it should be even more resistant.

I agree! They should be quick to make too. No handle work needed at all on them. I like my Shaker and a similar small sized affordable skelly knife would be nice.

Just out of curiosity, what is INFI base steel, or derivative steel.

I think I would rather have a pepper shaker than a game warden.

Skeleton Keys are nice also.

On the other hand, forget that. Give me an SR-77 PBF.

Thanks. I have seen that on bladeforums before. I was more curious if it was based off of some pre-existing steel. Much like SR-101 is based off of 52100, and SR-77 is based off of S7.

awsome testimony!!!

I would also vote for a S7 Pure Bred Fighter. I also think there is a market for a no nonsense fighter that does not cost an arm and a leg with SF units and wannabees like myself. In countrys where you can't carry a gun(everywhere but the US) a PBF is about the best self dence weapon there is. Even against a handgun knives are far better than most people realize. As long as you are closer than 20 feet from your enemy the knife has the advantage.

I'd buy several.

That is not actually correct. The general thinking is, that if someone is within 20 feet of you with a knife, you will have a hard time drawing a pistol and taking a shot before you get cut. The knife is not at an advantage. Thus the way you put it, you would be attacking someone with a holstered weapon by charging them with a knife.

No truth to that statement. Just think of the number of dumpsters that are out there! Scrap would have to stop being produced and that has not happened since the beginning of the industrial revolution.

The ScrapYard concept was founded on the basis of a sustaining business model to insure the longevity of the company. I will admit that there are fine lines that we need to walk to insure high performance at the lowest possible price but that is what the game is all about.

Dan

Sweet.
Nice family. They have done more in the last 10 years to cahnge the face of knifemaking than Case or Buck have done in the last 50 years!
Hats off to the family Busse for all you do....this Bud's for you!



Peace.

yes it's based of the CHIPPER steel class air hardenning steels like A8, but the similarities end there. INFI has different microconstituents than the other steels and it's processing is different as well, although I do not know exactly how as that is their secret not mine <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbup.gif" alt="" />

Awesome so there will be an unlimited supply of SR77 and resiprene C. COOL!!! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbup.gif" alt="" />

How about stealing some of Jerry's other steels in the shop like A2, D2, 5160, Damascus and doing something with those. Dan, if you keep on making sure Jerry has a steady supply of Pigs nose you can pretty much taking anything he's got.

it depends on many factors, too numerous to get into here. However, I will offer my own anecdote. I took a tactical pistol class one time and the subject came up, so we deomonstrated, or more to the point were demonstrated on.

There was a fellow there who was able to draw his weapon and fire it accurately very, very, very fast. The knife attacker didn't stand a chance. When it came my turn I had about a 50% success rate. And there was another fellow there who died by knife each time.

Speed, reaction time, reflexes, adrenaline, etc... all play their roles in the gun vs. knife scenario. Personally, it's something I'd rather avoid, but given the choice between my Sig or a knife, I'll choose Sig.

Peace
Jerry

I think you will find that a man with a knife within 20ft will reach you nearly every time. This is a proven fact. It's been tried 100's of times and the blade always reaches the target even if the blade holder gets shot he always hits his man.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3HR2O2m068

here are two more videos that bring the point home so to speak


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jeLRoLrgscw&mode=related&search=

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8dUSqE9TDhg&mode=related&search=

Cobalt, all I can say is "great minds"

Dan

How about the PBF?

Make it out of SR-77 and you can drink all of the Pigs nose yourself.

An 8" PBF won't need much more steel than an S6. With no handle to worry about it should be inexpensive. Hit $99.95 and you will be my hero.