Blasphemy

its O.K. boys give it too me,i can take it fore i know what i am about to say is total blasphemy and possibly down right atrocious.

i want an SR77 blade with micarta handles.......WAIT,DONT SHOOT,let me explain.

scrapyard knives along with the other busse kin are in the tactical/combat blade arena.hell,they dont call it busse combat and call coated blades "combat grade" for nothing and put menacing looking dogs and rats on the blade 'cause they look cute.

the res-c handles are fine.their great,tough as hell and beat any other type of rubber knife handle materiel.the res-c materiel has its place and has certain advantages over micarta with the advantages being possibly a better grip,shock absorption for chopping,using bare hands in freezing weather although unlikely and just pure comfort.

i just think for a "combat blade" a full,protruding tang is important.i dont need the butt of my knife to pound out a sniper hole from a cinder block wall but some do and res-c will not allow for that.i've beaten mine up pretty good.it will tear.

there has been times when i needed to pound something,had my DFLE in hand,looked at the handle and wished it had a protruding tang.now dan has already said he's not comfortable with anything protruding from the res-c because stuff can get up under there and that makes sense.

scrapyards thing is price to performance ratio.i dont know how much more micarta is over res-c in both initial cost and labor to install.

i was thinking maybe something very simple,without the normal "grooving" busse and swamprat put on their micarta handles as just one more way to keep cost down.we dont NEED all that.

and dont forget.its "price to performance" not just price so the question is will any added benefits be worth any added cost and i suspect this will very among us.

i dont want to get rid of res-c.it has its place but i think sometimes it is over rated.if you do hard batoning and i'm not talking about 4 inch wide logs but some 8 inch logs you will see that the vibration from a res-c handle is horrible and will really sting your hands.i honestly dont notice much value in the way of shock absorption even though you think there would be some with it being a rubber.

one more thing to ponder is that when busse switched to micarta from res-c they never went back and when swamprat switched they never went back either.i find that interesting.

I wondered if anyone had replaced res-c with someting else and had pics of it.

I would absolutely buy Scrap Yard knives with a Micarta handle. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbup.gif" alt="" /> Good question northern1.

Yes something like that would be interesting but I cannot help thinking that within the Bussekin Group their thoughts would be if you want full tang performance buy one of the other "group" knives....

If the issue is having such a knife in SR77 my own experience is that when it comes to using a "pommel" for pounding on it would'nt matter...and this is just me...but also if you touch up an edge of an evening after a days hard use...it also hardly matters whether it is Infi/SR101/SR77...except perhaps on cost...where again...if you go full tang with micarta...you're probably into Ratweiler/Chopweiler money...

I sort of think that the whole 3 groups of knives was perhaps based around a "cost" scenario...

On the plus side...if you could have the balance and feel of a DFLE with a full tang and micarta...you probably have a knife as useable and balanced as a SHBM for a sensible working price...so that gets my vote very much so... <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbup.gif" alt="" />

Why cant they just extend the tang out beyond the
Res-c handle?
Or mod a knife by removing some of the res-c
to expose the tang.

It would allow too much dirt/grit/debris of any kind to get underneath the res-c and affect the steel.

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That about sums it up,those are the two main reasons why Dan won't put Micarta slabs on his SR-77. Damage to the Res-C knife is what Dan has always said no to.Exactly why he said was debris on his Carbon based blade that could not be cleaned over a lifetime could potentially do damage to the blade. And when asked about Micarta or G-10 he replied NO... the price to performance ratio that Scrap Yard is built on would fade away and you would have two Swamp Rat company's in the same building. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/doh.gif" alt="" />

Always made sense to me. And Res-C well I have cut 8" trees down with my dog father and it took about 7 minuets. Yes my hand burned from the friction on the Res-C. But I'm sure that without it to cushion the blow it would have stung a whole lot more. Micarta is not as shock resistant as Res-c by a long shot. And talk about cutting into the palm... give me Res-C for my Scrappers. It is what makes them Scrappers. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" />


Peace.

Cheers to that!

Let's face it, Res C isn't all that pretty. But it works well and is easily replaced if you mess one up. I prefer it on choppers. The cost of fitting micarta to full tangs would put SYKCO knives into the Swamp Rat price range. Here is some more blasphemy, you can get some very tough knives in 5160 steel with micarta handles for SYKCO prices or less from a major US knife company. Not as tough as S7, but pretty tough. But if you want to stick to Busse quality, it will cost a bit more. Find a ratweiler or order a Busse Combat.

One of these days I really want to Mod a Scrapper, and put some nice Micarta handles on it, just for the heck of it. I've got the Micarta, and done enough knife making on a amateur lever to do a decent job... but I hate to destroy a perfectly good Res-C handle. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif" alt="" />

I like the feel of Res-C and have no problems with it, but I'll admit I like Micarta handles a lot too.

Remind me never to run for public office. You know darn well that not quoting what followed leaves the impression that I thought the 5160 knives were of equal quality. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

Very good point Vic- that option is there for sure.Jeff/ Vic - how hard is it to put other scales on IF somebody wanted to mod this way ? Thanks

Putting scales on a Scrapper would requre a hidden tang to do it right. If I wanted that, I'd send it to a knifemaker who does such such work.

Should be "That's the way uh huh, uh huh, I like it, uh huh uh huh..." <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

Drat...just dated myself <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

Get out the polyester leisure suits and the disco ball! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

Why not just buy a BUSSE?The price would be a bit more but not much,as I believe HD is right about the price hike.I have to admit I like the micarta on anything with a 6 in. blade or under but res-c can't be beat on a chopper IMO.Of course a SOD with micarta handle would be an instant classic,as if it's not already!I wouldn't mind seeing some micarta either N1.

I would buy a micarta handled Scrapper in a heart beat. However, I love the feel of the Res-C for cutting/chopping.

It's not really that hard to do, with the right equipment, materials, time and a little know how. I've done it many times to other brand blades, blade blanks and a few of my own custom pieces. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

Don't have to. You can pad the blade, clamp it in a vise, drill out the lanyard hole, and pull the handle off.

That and a lot of friction. The handles aren't molded onto the knives. That's why the old basic handles turned up on the DMs. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> I don't remember who posted it, but 1 or 2 people have taken their handles off this way. It was either here or the Swamp.

Are you sure about that Andy? I'm sitting here messing with one of my well worn and beaten DMDCs and it looks pretty well attached even if the thong hole was drilled out.

Thanks for the info Andy. I might just have a new project in the works today. I've got a bunch of denim micarta, I think I'll give it a try.

Yes. See here: Rehandled CT

That was a great link on the CT Andy. Thanks

I remember seeing that CT pic many moons ago.. Good find Andy (truly the bloodhound among dogs!) sticking with res-C over neo-C or micarta (phooey) myself! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

(Though in fairness I can see some limited use for a hammer pommel, but then there do tend to be rocks lying around...)

i buy plenty of busse's,swamprats and scrapyard knives every year.i was specifically speaking of micarta with SR77,not INFI.

well last year i bought 4 busse's and i cost me around $2,000.i think i also bought 4 scrapyard blades and it was under $500.

with the price difference i really dont compare busse to scrapyard and i do find performance differences between the 2 steels.

i was just wondering if there was a cheaper way to do micarta like without the grooving as one example again.like i said i really dont know the ins and outs of it all so i'm just pondering.

now it makes sense that if the tang protruded out that dirt could get up under there but that happens at the top of the handle too.you can pull down on the res-c where it meets the choil and theirs gunk up there on mine but i guess if you where using a pommel for pounding more dirt might get up there.

lastly,i'm telling ya.i think its in peoples head that res-c is so shock absorbent just because one would automatically think so with a rubber.for chopping its great but for heavy batoning its rough.

your not going to notice it if you go out into your back yard and baton a couple small logs.baton for a couple hours side by side with something with micarta slabs.

the tang on res-c handled knives is tiny and i think that mixed with a big blade has something to do with it because a micarta handled knife has a big hefty tang.

the SOD was around $100 and the chopweiler was around $200 so does that mean the micarta and everything to install it was $100.

you guys are right.this is what separates the 3 companies but now that swamprat went out of business <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" /> maybe scrapyard will pick up the micarta thing...lol.

i can get affordable micarta knives but i'm only interested in busse kin.there just better,not by much but better imo.

How are the cord wrapped handles for chopping ? I have seen a few guys just wrap over the top- but might be fun to take all the way off then wrap ?

Please not, keep it with ResC, the thing that makes the Yard unique. If you want a full tang knife you can easily get it from lots of companies incl. the bussekin.