Knives

Hey everyone

I am looking for a good scrapyard style knife but i dont have enough money for a scrapyard...

so are there any knives that have the similar look to the scrapyard knives, ontario, and rat?

Technically, discussing other companies' knives around here is against the rules - and honestly, do you want us, on the forum provided by Scrap Yard Knives, for fans of Scrap Yard knives to discuss Scrap Yard products, to recommend some inferior competitors for you to buy?

For the money Scrap Yards seriously dominate all others.

What are you trying to spend?

...sorry i feel like an idiot now... ummmm nvm the question everyone

well 80 maybe 90 max i just dont have too much money i found a DMDC but 180 is almost 100 dollars more than i have

Amen brother!

I agree, there are good knives out there, but for this niche of superduty tough, unique knives that are wonderfully priced for the outstanding quality you get.....there really are no comparisons with other knife brands. I suggest you don't just buy any knife, save your money and buy a SY when you are financialy able.

Good luck.

ok
thanks

sorry for disobeying the rules...

My advice, honestly, is save. Save til you have the money for a Scrap Yard. You will be able to mercilessly beat it, and it will just turn the other cheek.

The only good, tough blade, for under 100 bucks I would feel comfortable recommending would be a RAT cutlery (not Swamp Rat) RC3...you can get em' new for like 90 bucks.

I broke the rules too. Let's move on. Lol.. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

Kiba, you have a PM incoming, check for the little flashing envelope by the 'logout' button in a few minutes.

haha

alright thanks i definately like scrapyard knives more than any brand ive seen so far

PM sent.

Hey Kiba - no reason to feel like an idiot - it was a reasonable question. Most folks here own knives other than SY's so they obviously feel that there are other brands out there that are of some value. They were correct though about the rules here discouraging talk or praise of other brand knives (which knid of confuses me as everyone here knows we all buy other brands and that doesn't affect our allegiance to SY knives) . I would recommend that you go to bladeforums.com and/or knifeforum.com to get some assistance. There are plenty of nice folks at those sites that will steer you in the right direction. I would also recommend that you go look at knifetests.com and other review sites to see what others are saying about other brands of knives. I can think of 3 I would recommend for under $100 but i can't say or I'll be pummeled to death. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />

So, yes, I believe you can get a very good knife in the price range you are looking in...but it certainly won't be the same as spending more on a SY knife.

Good luck! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbup.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

By the way, please don't take my post to mean I only like scrap yard knives - in fact, I own many more knives from other companies than I do from scrap yard or the other two Busse companies, and some were much less expensive, and some of my favorites are non-scrapyard knives....

But posting here and saying, basically "I don't have enough for your knives, so sell me on something cheaper from another company" just seems kinda crappy to my eyes.

I can list a lot of sub-hundred-dollar knives that are high quality, and in fact if you read my other posts on this forum, you can find a chopoff where I point out a non-scrap yard knife or two that performed outstandingly well, but we're not going to do the homework for you, just so you can spend your money elsewhere.



My advice? either do your own homework elsewhere and find out what's good for the money... OR wait, and buy a Scrap Yard whenever the next release direct from the company is available. Second-hand knives can have a markup of 50% or even more. I've seen the Son Of Dogfather sell for 200 bucks second hand, and I paid a little over a hundred for mine at company prices.



And my second bit of advice - don't look for something that "looks like a scrap yard". That's like buying a Molex watch because it "looks like a Rolex".

The last Scrap Yard (the Scrapper 5) was $100 bought from them directly.

I would wait and keep saving until the next knife is offered, you may be surprised at how affordable it may be.

Good luck!

Hey Kiba, there is a VERY good chance that you will be able to find a Scrapyard knife in your price range or for a few bucks more.......the Scrapper5's are shipping out soon, and i would not be surprised if one or two of us Dawgs let one slip into the marketplace. In other words, save up a few more bucks, and you will get a Scrapyard soon! Pull a few odd jobs on the weekends and tuck the cash away in a jar somewhere. Scraimp and save everywhere in your life and get the real deal! ......dont get a lookalike, get the real thing.

ScrapYard knives are darn reasonable, one big reason they are so popular, the motto is; "Superior Performance to Price Ratio"

When the Dumpster Mutt came out here it was 69.95! and it's still one of my favs.

Stick around, keep an eye out and you'll get yourself a great blade for a great price <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

Excellent advice from a wise and most excellent Dog! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbup.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbup.gif" alt="" />

I jujst realized that i have shown pics and talked about knives other then SY on the forum.....am i violating the rules? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/doh.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/doh.gif" alt="" />

Don't worry about it dude. I think it's like IN DEPTH conversation about other blades.

Technically, probably yes, bushman, but as long as it's done in a non-obnoxious way, it's generally cool from what I've seen. We have good moderators here, who know the difference between chattin' knives and promoting others' wares outright.



IMHO, saying "I'm too cheap to get the awesome performance to price ratio of a scrap yard knife, so tell me what competitors to buy" is erring on the side of obnoxious <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />


I talk about other brands of knives all the time on here, but I'm not saying GO BUY THESE KNIVES, DON'T SPEND MORE MONEY ON A SCRAP YARD!!!!Oneoneone

Yes man, the mods here are AMAZING!

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Although this is a manufacturer specific forum (one we all are obvisouly pumped on), we all have a few different knives laying around. You can search the forum and see how and why we like Scrapyard blades by checking out some of the Chopoff threads from various folks.

I think the advice to save up and give Scrapyard a try is good. If you stick around the forum, you will not only meet some good people who know quite a bit about knives, you will be able to know when the next great Scrapyard value comes down the pipe.

It's tough to recommend knives based soley on price. The best thing to figure out first is how you are going to use the knife. Then check out what's out there in your price range based on your needs. As far as value goes in quality fixed blades, Scrapyard will end up very high on your list.

Good luck.

I hear you, but I see the other side too. He is stuck looking at secondary prices right now, which definitely eliminates any sort of affordability.

bingo!!!!! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/bowdown.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbup.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbup.gif" alt="" />

true! BUT!!!! the person in question CAN scrimp and save and pull a few extra weekend jobs to get said high quality SY knife!

thanks guys youve all been REALLY helpful

This is really out of bounds. Feel free to research this yourself using google, youtube video, and the manufacturer sites.

This is one thread that I beg the forum moderators to please remove. The initial post deserves every ounce of ridicule that anyone wants to throw at it, in my opinion.

I agree w the other dogs, kiba. You should just save up and hold out for an SY blade.

I gotta say, I'm feeling a bit ashamed of you Dogs right about now. Of all the ways to reply, many have chosen cold remarks. I too was new once and remember what it is like to be lost in a sea of knife questions. Yes, being patient and getting a scrapper is probably THE best option but it's not the only option. I remember lurking, going to BF, going to knifetests, buying the SOG seal pup, being a little less enthusiastic about it than I hoped, and finally returning to the Yard. If there is a way to help someone avoid that detour then I will do my best to steer them down that path. There were countless days spent researching the hell out of knives until I got to that conclusion and it would have been nice if I could have gotten there quicker. In the end the Dogs here helped me reach that understanding and I was able to form some strong bonds with them in the process.

Maybe I have a little more patience than others, maybe I'm a little more tolerant but when I see a sincere thread and one not meant for trolling or some other stupid deviation then I feel the desire to help. As I once wanted to be helped.

Please take no offense as I mean none, just thought higher of the Yard than that.

I agree with Art - What happened to helping fellow knife lovers out- you can assist the guy or point him in the right direction as I and a couple others did without bashing him for his question. Everyone doesn't come here knowing the rules - we must inform them as we were informed but can't we do it in a civil way? I truly felt bad for the guy...If I were treated this way when I asked my first few questions I may not still be here today. Actually, yeah I would cause I don't let that stuff bother me - but I'm with Art on this - He could and should of been treated nicer. Everyone took offense that some one dared ask about other brand knives...I can show you post after post after post of Dawgs talking about and showing pics of 'their' other knives and also show you comments where someone said they were passing on Busse or a particular knife because of cost. I don't see the difference here.

Okay, now off my soap box. Thanks for getting me riled up Art <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> In case you can't tell, I've had a bad day. As with Art - don't take offense here either...just realize I am trying to make a point and that I've had a bad day. And after all of the comradery that I have seen and experienced here, I was a little surprised to see some of these responses...I doubt this is how Dan would like us to treat new folks with questions. Thanks. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />

Not offended at all, gents, and I didn't mean my tone to be nasty at all - obviously it's difficult to perceive the intention of these things in real life when you're reading words on a screen.

I'm all for talking about knives from any manufacturer - heck, in my recent chopoff, two of the best performers were non-scrapyard knives, and I was all too happy to point that out.



But posting a thread to specifically ask "hey, tell me any knives OTHER THAN SCRAP YARD that are good" just seems to be pushing it IMHO. I read the RAT Cutlery board on Bladeforums, and I participate there once in a while, but I don't go on there talking about Busse or Scrap Yard knives all the time - I certainly wouldn't go there and say "hey guys, I don't really want a RAT Cutlery blade, so who wants to tell me what else to buy?"

There's a time and place to ask those kinds of questions, and IMHO it's a "general knife discussions" board on a place like knifeforums or bladeforums, not a manufacturer-specific board, whose upkeep, maintenance, and hosting fees are paid for by that manufacturer.

And it's also a completely different story when an established member says something like "I have a couple scrap yards already, and want to compare their performance against other knives, so who else out there has a good value?"

I hear ya MM. I think, without knowing his intent, that some should have given him the benefit of the doubt.

He doesn't say "hey, tell me any knives OTHER THAN SCRAP YARD that are good".
He said that he wants a scrapyard-like knife but can't afford a SY so can we advise him on another brand.

Read my response - not rude, yet not offering any other brand on this forum. Had he asked the same question on Busse forum no one would of thought twice because they would have pointed him here or to the swamp (He doesn't know that SY's are the cheapest of the Busse-kin knives). How would he know these rules or that asking that question is forbidden here? Anyway, I hear ya.

Totally see that MM.

It's been so long since I looked at this place as a manufacturer-specific forum, though. It feels more like home. Sure, all we talk about are scrappers most of the time but I don't mind the occasional stranger popping in with some "crazy" question. I recognized in Kiba what I went through and all the frustration that comes with it. So he made a boo-boo. No biggie. Hopefully he gets a scrapper, I love them so much I hope everyone get's a chance to enjoy them. They may not appreciate them like I do but at least they'll have something reliable, tough, and made in the good ol' US of A.

Now, everyone, go buy a scrapper! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />

They're that good!!!!

Buy two - you can sell one later for twice what you paid <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />

Ouch! Kick a man when he's down why don'tcha!

Btw, time for a group hug.

I kid, I kid. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />

That's what happens in the secondary market; The DMDC was released at the bargain price of $79.95 (plus shipping, of course). Your best options are:

1) Be patient: Old Scrap Yard knives are occasionally sold for much better prices than that. Also, watch places like the BladeForums Exchange instead of eBay -- not that a bargain doesn't occasionally make it through on eBay, but you'll be competing with a huge customer base there, many of whom have more dollars than sense. Learn about what you want and decide how much you're willing to pay, watch for the deal you want, and jump on it if you find it (bargains can sell within a couple minutes on the Exchange).

2) Bussekin (Scrap Yard, Swamp Rat, and Busse Combat) knives almost never decrease in value -- you'll get the best price by ordering when they're sold by the company. I've bought Sus Scrofas for a little less than retail, but they're an aberration (and I expect those prices will climb too once they're no longer available from the Busse Company Store) -- secondary market prices are usually at least $50 more than the release prices, often $100+ over retail for rare or very popular knives. After the Blade show, there'll often be a ganza posted on the Busse Combat subforum on BladeForums; occasionally, leftover Scrap Yard knives have even been offered ("dog bowl" sales) on this forum.

This is a "family oriented" site that has in the past had wives and children of
regular posters posting on here.

If Kiba has stepped over the bounds, then a polite pointing to the rules thread
is sufficient. If anymore is needed, then the moderators will step in and
deal with it. That is what they are here for, that's what they do, and they
are very good at it!

For my part, I think that Kiba wasn't aware of the rules before he posted.
And before anyone says that he should of read the rules first, I didn't read
the rules until well after my 100th post, and I'm sure that others on here will
say the same.

Kiba apologized for stepping over the bounds.
He is a relative newcomer here, who asked a legitimate question, and asked for
our advice.
Instead of giving it, some of our group pounced on him and trashed him like
they do on other forums.
Well, our yard isn't "other forums" and we use a little more discretion here.

This is a company specific forum for a community of like minded people some
of whom have younger family members who participate here.
Remember that DAWGS!!!
Put the fangs away and move on.

I understand that the yard wants us to be considerate in all circumstances, and I agree with that. But, when the originator shows little consideration, I think it is OK for the yard dogs to note it.

I stand by my comments reflecting that the thread seems highly inappropriate for this forum. It should be posted on one of the generic blade forums out on the Internet. Yes, we are all new to the SYK forum at some point. I still am <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> But, this forum is run and paid for by SYKCO, and is focused on discussions at least tangentially related to their product. In my opinion, coming in here and saying they cost too much for me so please tell me what else I should consider is being unreasonable to SYK's generosity as the one paying for the SYK-focused forum itself.

I asked that the thread be removed because it seems over the line, and it will get strong responses from many; deservedly so. In my opinion, it's better to clean it out and move on to the next subject than have the discussion of "be kind or be firm", which has legitimate merits on both sides.

But, the original poster, through this and many other posts, clearly took zero time to read any of the forum rules, research the SYK products at all, or even knives in general. If there are questions about SYKs or even Bussekin in general, I know from my own experience that the dogs in the yard will patiently answer every reasonable question, and warmly provide insight and advice.

Definately a bladeforum topic in my newb opinion. That's the sort of stuff that convinced me to shut down my horror prop forum back in the day.
I say, bless the Busses for doing what they and many others love and appreciate. Quality knives at a very reasonable price. I will always save a salute for anyone who puts their efforts into a quality product especially when it's made in America.
Just my two cents.

Dontcha just hate a mouthy newb like me. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

N00b to newb, I don't hate you at all! Although, that freaking demented chihuahua on meth logo scares the [email]cr@p[/email] out of me every time I see it <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

<img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />

I kinda like that chihuaha <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

Beg to differ on this one.
If it was as bad as you and others are making it out to be, then the mods would
have deleted it.

From the original post and subsequent posts made by him, I get the feeling that
this guy is honestly looking for a good knife that is in his price range.
He feels that SYKCO knives are too much money for him, but it appears that he
really likes the brand.

It doesn't do Dan's bottom line any good if we forum members pounce on new
people coming in looking for a good knife, regardless of the questions they ask.

Rather than dumping on the guy, we should be encouraging him about the product.
SYKCO knives aren't that much higher than his budget right now, so we need to
show him that getting a SYKCO knife is a good option for him.

If we ridicule him like you suggest, then he'll be gone, and Dan will be out
all of the sales that he'd get from this fellow.

Not a good plan.

+1

If you don't mind a word of advice, you're not so far away from a Scrap Yard budget that you wouldn't be better off just saving up for one. They come around from time to time, at a pace where you seldom have to wait unreasonably long, and that Superior Price To Performance Ratio is no joke - you will be very, very hard pressed indeed to find anything that compares, for anything like the money. Plus, just look around, and I'm sure you can easily tell that there's only ONE way to get a forum full of loyal customers, and that's by producing top notch quality. Skip a couple of double espressos, make that pair of boots last a few weeks longer, tell your S. O. that it's movies at home week, order a double cheese extra sauce instead of a deluxe supremo pizza with extra garlic, and you've got yourself in a very nice position to pick up one or more very high quality knives on the next run. A little patience will be well rewarded. It's possible, but not easy, to be more well rewarded by a purchase, however the route you'd have to take to that satisfaction is just about guaranteed to be more convoluted and fraught with unnecessary worry and doubt. In short, simply stay tuned, and get ready, and you'll be glad you did!

+1 on that.
My MUK purchase money came from my coffee money. Got the boss to pop for a
coffee maker for work, and put my coffee money aside until I had enough.
It was just that easy.

Waiting a little never hurt anyone.... unless it's for an organ transplant or something like that.

****(grunts quietly to self..S5 on the way, S5 on the way...)***

Your avatar just slays me. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

That'll be me soon enough. I live in Canada, so I'll
probably have to wait an extra week for the package to
get through customs.

I really feel sorry for the Dogs in Oz.
They have to wait longer than even me.

I'll check in here and clarify a couple of things.

1. Yes, this forums is manufacturer specific. Questions about other brands are best suited to Bladeforum or Knifeforum. Comparisons between Yard/Busse/SwampRat knives and other brands are just fine. There is a grey area in the Death Chat and the folder thread.

2. I for one liked the way the thread initially started. I saw a lot of what makes the Yard great which was the support offered to Kiba ookami about how a Scrap Yard knife is attainable in a $100 budget.

Those that took too much time typing up a negative view on the thread, you time is better spent using the report post button and leaving the moderation up to Tom & myself. At the bottom of each post is the icon which immediately notifies us of a questionable post. We try to show all members new and old a lot of consideration and a warm welcome. Remember that the more members we have contributing the better the forum gets!

Once again though, a big <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbup.gif" alt="" /> to all the Dogs that welcomed Kiba to the Yard and helped support that you can get a Yard knife in the $100 range.

I actually agree with this whole heartedly - I wouldn't wanna treat the guy like crap, or delete his thread - my intention was just to point out that I found the question a bit disrespectful. I got nothing against the dude for wanting a cheaper alternative - I was blown away by the price of Busse knives when I first came around here, and yet here I am with one of the more expensive production models sitting next to me on the desk. There's nothing wrong with seeking value - and he has found it in the Yard, if he is patient!

But I tried to keep my tone reasonably civil - I don't mean to insult the dude or dump on him, just help him think twice about where and how he words his questions.



As an example - if the original post said "I can't afford a scrap yard right now, can you suggest a cheap knife to hold me over until I can afford the best?" then I wouldn't have had a problem with it in the slightest. A little change in wording can afford a lot more respect for the company whose forum he's participating in.