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I'd pay extra for it.

I'm not really a fan of this design.

Too Stargate/Futuristic looking for me. But to each his own.
I'd rather the guard look like

yup beef it up, make the knife blank & guard all one piece and cover it with Res-C

I'd like to see it. Although I am worried adding metal to the handle would change the balance of an well balanced knife

Good point, Jroden. I voted 'important' and would like to see the res-c shape remain the same and flush with the reinforcing guard.

Very good point about the balance being different.

Here's the real fly in the ointment, in my opinion: I don't think anyone wants to lose the awesome new Reg handle - the fact that it kicks SO much butt is difficult to overlook - i don't want to swap it for the "old-style" battle-guard.
On the other hand, it DOES get munched up during hard, heavy (Scrapyard dogg translation: normal, everyday) use.
The reason that i voted to leave it alone is cost (obviously), and that i'm not convinced that the lug-type guard will protect that big beefy Res-C hilt part.
I think a full metal guard is all that would really protect it. a full steel guard might make a great upgrade for those who can pay, but for us po' folk, i can live with the most comfortable, functional handle i have ever used, especially since it is warrented against any damage i might do to it.
P.s. I really like the "New Regulator" with the high saber-grind. I hope it's still 1/3" thick. The more i look at the pic and the longer i wait, the more it looks like the perfect 19th century design-meets-21st century technology Chopper-prybar-splitter (even splitter - does the 1/4" of flat interfere that much with splitting? I doubt it - i'm open to find out - but i doubt i'd notice the difference from the full-flat grind during splitting). Really, it looks perfect. Bring it - I'll buy it!
Just one opinion... <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/footinmouth.gif" alt="" />

That knife is SO SICK, by the way. She's a screamer! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/bowdown.gif" alt="" />

i'm buying one regardless <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbup.gif" alt="" />

Definately mandatory for me. I already have a guard-less Regulator.

I have to say, I don't even care for the guard. With that out of the way, I could see it costing more to be "reinforced" or to attach a separate guard. I don't even know how it would work to cut out the knife blank to reinforce the guard. Since (to my understanding) the Res C handles are jammed on to the tang of the knife, would it even be possible to "slip" the handle over reinforcement?

Can I ask everyone... what you would use/need a guard for?

If it's to protect the Res-C from batoning then maybe you're using the wrong knife for the job. I'm not saying the Reg isn't a great woods knife or that anyone shouldn't do whatever they want with it. I'm only saying that there is no ONE knife solution for every task out there. If you want a great 7 inch camp knife get a Tramp or Chopweiler or SOD.

However, if you need the guard for blocking another opponents knife in a fight... then I can't say a lot to that, because I've been in a total of zero knife fights. I have never thought of the Reg's handle shape as a "guard" in the sense that it keeps your hand safe from an opponent's knife. I see it as a guard in the sense that it keeps your hand safe from you own knife. On a thrust or dig the handle shape helps keep your hand from sliding up the blade especially in wet conditions.

But again, I have no experience with that either, it's just a thought.

I keep reading how everyone's concerned with the "un-reinforced guard" and keep scratching my head as to why.

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Yeah that is what I'd imagine a metal guard would be for. to block cuts or protect something from sliding up the blade and into your hand while cutting/chopping.
that too.

Honestly, I picture it as more of a combat knife than a purely camp chore knife, not that it can't do both. And about the guard, I'd like to see a reinforced one. But on the other hand, I think Dan knows more about the subject than I do. and I trust his judgement on producting a great knife 100%. I'm buying one regardless of the guard because it looks like an amazing knife and the test team reviews seem great. But also I did notice that the guards on many of the users were extremely chewed up.

To those of you who are big fans of a guard for catching the other person's blade this assumes that you will be in a "knife duel" where both opponents have equal initiative versus a "knife fight". Most knife fights outside of the combat zone are ambushes prison style. If you think the film "The Hunted" accurately depicts knife fighting you are wrong.

Inside the combat zone I would submit that the knife was eclipsed by the suppressed pistol when the need to kill someone silently arises. Additionally, prior to drawing a knife to kill someone in the combat zone the Soldier or Marine would most likely shoot the bad guy or muzzle strike them, or butt stroke them to death or smash their face in with a helmet or radio or any other thing that is quicker to get to then a full sized combat knife.

To me the most important feature of a guard is to protect my hand from riding up onto the blade regardless of scenario i.e. stabbing or slicing or batoning or hacking or whatever. From a combat zone context again if I hurt myself using my knife then I am now a liability to the rest of my unit and their lives are in danger as now I am focusing on my own wound instead of on the enemy.

My thought is the only reason the guard on the Regulator needs to be enforced is to protect the Resiprene-C handle during heave uses such as batoning.

At the same time the cost of reinforcing the guard will be passed onto the buyer and may actually be more then the cost of sending the Regulator back to Scrapyard if the handle ever did indeed get damaged. So now you have to look at the cost of USPS versus the increased cost of the knife if the guard is reinforced.

My two cents...

-Stan

Yeah I read or heard somewhere that 99.9% of "Knife Fights" are assassinations.
In the sense of an attack on someone unarmed and unaware.
But on the other hand, why not have it just incase? I wasn't basing my suggestions on "The Hunted" more along the lines of Bowie Knifes and Jim Bowie. But, I agree with what you are saying. But there also are occasions, Drunken Brawl Outside a Bar where someone comes slashing at you where having a reinforced guard wouldn't be a bad thing. Unlikely as it is.

Here's a question:

How would reinforcing this "guard" protect the Res C from batoning? I make sure the handles of my knives don't rub on whatever I'm batoning, nor do I hit the handles of my knives. Even without the guard, it seems any Res C would be just as likely to get damaged when batoning. That leaves knife duels as the reason for a reinforced guard. In my extremely limited knowledge of knife fighting (as heard from a martial arts friend of mine), it seems dueling with knives isn't very important. He showed me a few moves that mostly consisted of slapping away your opponent's arm/hand to avoid being slashed with a knife. I for one, would do my best to stay away from an enemy's blade. That means no blocking his knife with my knife. Anyway, those are some more thoughts of mine.

Vendetta13,

My apologies if I came on a bit too strong in my rant. It was not my intent to do so.

The biggest thing to remember with knife engagements outside of the combat zone is unequal initiative (i.e. you are ambushed) and weapons access (can you effectively draw and employ your knife during the ambush).

Based upon those two criteria, training time required to become proficient, training time required to stay proficient, the likelihood of a knife fight happening at all, and the likelihood of bad guys blade precisely impacting your reinforced guard, I would say the feature is not needed.

When I think "knife fight" here is what comes to mind:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vWQfgwuOAxo

-Stan

I'm not offended at all, I get where you are coming from, I'm just saying...Things happen beyond anyones control and if I'm carrying a knife I'd like the option to not lose fingers in the 1-trillion to 1 chance i am in a west side story knife fight. I mean technically you could always run instead of squaring off with someone as well, or shoot them. I just like having as many options as possible in case....I just like the extra little 1% of preparedness/defensive capability.

I would also think that a steel guard would chew up your baton pretty bad. Again, the right tool for the job. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbup.gif" alt="" />

Wouldn't have been the first time, Bruce. I swear, sometimes I feel like a post killer!

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if someone swings a knife at you hard enough to slice cleanly through the thick res-c guard on the regulator, just run away. I think metal would protect the handle while batoning through larger pieces of wood, but if it changes the balance and feel of the knife it is not worth it.

Unless you are fighting someone who has a sword and you have a regulator, in which case, run away

I agree, but like I said, the Res-C on my SOD looks ship shape and I've batoned a lot of wood with it. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

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My friend who is very much into martial arts told me the best thing you can do if a knife comes out in a fight is to run. It doesn't matter if you have training. He said if you can run, then run. Knife fights always end with lots of blood. This guy's martial arts training doesn't just apply to studio training either. He's in some branch of the special forces and is off somewhere in Germany right now, so he knows a fair share about hand to hand combat and weapon usage. I respect him a lot and take his advice readily. Besides that, I don't see myself ever carrying my Regulator anywhere I'd get into a fight.

Wait a second! You mean everyone here doesn't buy knives because there's an absolute needed use for them?! I'm shocked! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />

Dan knows his craft. He knows whats best for the dogs. I've never seen a bad SY Knife.

I'd still like to hear what his own image of the Regulator is though. Like what came into his head when he was designing it. Fighter? Camp Knife? Toe nail clipper?

Even more then that I would like to see a historical thread detailing the evolution of all the various Scrapyard designs.

When I got my SOD the squared off choil annoyed the hell out of me and when comparing it to my Scrapper 6 I kept asking "Why? Why? Why?"

Then I found a thread on here by Dan about the squared off choil making that area of the blade stronger versus a rounded one. Sounds good to me!

I would like to see a thread explaining choil design, thumb ramp purpose / usage, the various sizes of handles explained, Dan's vision for each design etc. It would also be nice to have knife weights on the record / listed somewhere officially.

-Stan

Hmm, I've heard that too. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif" alt="" />

WE NEED A DAN'S SIP AND TALK YARD RELEASE Q&A

If I buy one it will have to be with a reinforced guard.

The reason for such a thing isn't so much for deflecting other blades as it is a safety against your hand sliding up on the blade during stabbing or prying. Both of which the knife seems designed for.

It is simply a matter of form following function to me.

The guard/handle that it already has does a good job of that

Amen to THAT! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbup.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

Its sufficient enough to keep your hand from sliding onto the blade when you stab it into something with force

The guard serves its purpose, which is to keep your hand from sliding forward.

However, the guard is not sturdy enough to stand up to the "hard use" that we expect out of scrap yard blades. Batoning is the most obvious place the res-c guard could be damaged, but many other tasks could do so as well - digging and prying and carving up car doors - all of these are places where the unsupported guard could be easily chewed into nothing.


And I've just gotta <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif" alt="" /> at the "right tool for the job" excuse. If we were only using the right tool for the job, we wouldn't buy extremely hard use knives like those from scrap yard in the first place. Dan wouldn't have had to demonstrate that the 154cm on the mud puppy could be hammered into a pipe without damage, if these things were supposed to be limited to the "right tool for the job".

Unless you're doing nothing with your regulator but slicing veggies or sticking it in a safe, you're likely to come across a task that could easily damage the poorly designed and implemented guard.


And tell me, what exactly *IS* the right job for the regulator, hmm? I sure don't plan on killing too many people any time soon, so what job should I be using a huge, obscenely thick Bowie knife for, if not chopping and splitting wood? Surely you don't expect me to believe that Dan is offering a dedicated fighting knife, and anyone who doesn't stab people should be making it a safe queen?

Yep it does keep your hand in place. I never felt I was going to slip forward when stabbing. Ask MajorsDad about stabbing into that car hood.

Not to bring up a sore subject but I would like mpalmer to test the handle of the Regulator and see how it compares to the S5.

The only reason I would like to see some metal by the guard is to protect it from damage.

Some very good points have been made. For me, I would like to have a metal guard that is pronounced for the simple fact of the off chance my hand going forward of the Res-C. I don't plan of fighting with a knife anytime soon but the Regulator feels the best of all my SY blades for the job.

I like a guard. I have a nice scar on my hand from cutting out roots with a machete. My hand slipped and went the length of the blade. I was lucky and have nearly full use of my hand. It nearly severed my thumb at the palm of my hand. I have since been extremely careful how I use any sizable knife without a guard. If I have a choice I will use a guard and a thong to keep my flesh away from a sharp blade. The same injury would likely cost me my career now.

People buy combat knives, just like people buy skinning knives. I'm not Dan so I can't say exactly what he had in mind for the Regulator but it looks like a fighter to me. I'm pretty sure Busse Combat Knives make combat knives as well, Not Busse Camp Knives, Although they definately produce some camping oriented knives. Should anyone not gutting animals and using a "skinner" oriented knife to cut veggies make it a safe queen? Honestly I'm 100% sure you know more about the Regulator than I do, But with such a wide variety of knives that have been offered so far am I insane for thinking there might be a fighter in the lineup?

I voted no opinion because I think it is what it is and Dan's not going to change it any more than he already has.I don't think it would be cost effective at this stage to incorporate a reinforced guard.
It would be nice but not really needed.
Leave that poor dead horse alone already. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif" alt="" />
Just my 2 cents worth of opinion. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

I voted not to buy without the guard. Not that I don't like the knife I LOVE it, but I am without a stout chopping/batoning knife and I was hoping this would foot the bill. I know there are other great knives in the line for this task but none of them are available under the crazy secondary market prices. Just my 2 cents.

It looks like a Bowie to me. But even if I concede that it is a pure fighter design, I still think it's dumb to claim anyone using it for anything other than fighting isn't using "the right tool for the job" or any other such nonsense


That is my point though - the Muk is a skinner design, yet people USE the dang thing for all kinds of jobs, and no one says "hey thats not the right tool for the job!!!"



The guard design on the regulator is poor. I'm sorry if that's not politically correct or sounds unkind of me, but that is my opinion. That amount of res-c, protruding in that fashion, is simply not up to the hard use we expect out of Scrap Yard knives. I am disappointed to see folks making so many excuses to justify such a terrible design choice, and even more disappointed to see people trying to tell others how they should be using their knives, to keep them from hitting the limitations of that poor design choice.


I have praised the regulator thoroughly since the test team period was up, because I was absolutely certain that Dan would rectify such a glaringly huge shortcoming in the knife. When he didn't, I was more than disappointed - I felt bad for anyone who reads my glowing reviews and ends up buying a knife that is, IMHO, not up to the standards of quality design I've come to expect from the yard.


Again, sorry if that hurts anyone's feelings, but I am a fan of quality products and hard use knives, and with the omission of any protection for the huge protruding chunks of res-c in the guard, I don't think the regulator fits EITHER of those descriptions.

I agree with your arguement about the guard here even though at first I was saying it looks like a pure fighter but what I think is nonsense is the "Why would it be a fighter, I'm not running around stabbing people to death, I don't need a reinforced guard, I don't get knife fights!!" arguement that keeps popping up.

How many of you carry handguns versus People who have been in civilian gun fights?
If you've never shot someone does that mean you shouldn't own a gun?

There are two different sides to the "I don't stab people" argument...

One says "I don't knife fight, so I don't need a reinforced guard". That argument is nonsense - the lack of reinforcement on the guard negatively affects a lot more than just knife fighting.

The other side of saying "I don't stab people" is asking what other tasks are "suited" for this knife in the minds of people who use the "it's a fighter" argument to try to argue that it's OK for the knife to suck at batoning.

Wow. I'm not an argumentative person, so most of the time I keep my mouth shut and quietly nod my head and smile.

My only point was that if this tool doesn't meet your needs then find one that does. If you feel it works great for whatever you want to use it for, then awesome!

I'm sorry Dan didn't take all your suggestions James, you spent a lot of time testing it and I'm sure your input was spot on. I'm not patronizing you, I'm serious. I just feel bad you are taking it so personally.

I'm not taking it personally - I just think it is a downright terrible design choice, and am disappointed to see Dan producing an inferior product, and his fans making excuses for that, by saying we shouldn't use knives for something as mundane as batoning to split some firewood.



I baton with my freakin' active duty and muk, for crying out loud. If I can't baton a 1/3 of an inch thick bowie knife, because the guard will fall apart, that is a poor design.

I baton with folders, so I know exactly how you feel. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

I guess this one will have to be a "pass" for some.

I haven't said anything yet, but I don't really like the looks of the new design compared to the Test Team version. So I'll be one of the "passers" myself.

Looking forward to the next one though! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbup.gif" alt="" />

It is what it is; if you don't like it - don't buy it. I personally am getting pretty tired of the same old complaints day in and day out. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif" alt="" /> Dan made some changes, sticking to the "Superior Performance to Price Ratio" policy as he sees it and applies to HIS company. Continual whining will not change anything and will make the forum more negative in general. How many knife companies ask for and incorporate some of their customers' ideas in producing their product? We should be happy that Dan asked us for suggestions and valued our opinions, instead of constantly criticising them. Get over it! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/doh.gif" alt="" />

Agreed!

Moving on!

Where's that ScrapAxe?

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Or Scrap Sword

fer DAWGS SAKE give us slobbering mutts a tactical tomahawk axe!

please?

So are you insinuating that Dan should tell us the "AS INTENDED" use for every knife so that we make sure it is "sufficient" for our use?

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"poorly designed and implemented guard"

Didn't you previously post over and over how much you loved the Regulator?

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Even without the guard, I'll buy your share. Send me the ones you have. Quit the whining and complaining.

I like the design and I totally disagree with your statements in this thread.
Did you send in such statements to Scrap Yard in your email reviews?

I posted my emails in another thread recently. Dan, Patti, and Renee know what I think of this knife.

Now we all know what you think.

Stop the crying... <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbdn.gif" alt="" />

I don't think everyone should jump all over him for not liking the guard. I'd prefer it if it had a sturdier guard as well. But I'll still buy one regardless of it. Take an ice pick for example. doesn't have any guard at all. Useful tool? Yes. Effective Weapon? Sure. Many Eastern European sabers/arabic daggers have zero guard what so ever and are still proven fighters/useful tools. A reinforced guard would be great.. Total deal breaker? I don't think so...

Yes, and those posts always came with the caveat "if they fix the one glaring issue, which is the guard". So many people complained about the guard that I pretty much assumed it would be fixed, as it was the only major problem with the otherwise near perfect design of the regulator.



I'd rather see the guard outright removed than have it sticking out there with no support. A blob of res-c with no metal around it lasts about two minutes of hard use. How do I know this? Because that's how long mine lasted on some simple batoning.

I really like the Regulator. I like my TT Regulators, and I will buy the Regulator as pictured with the changes Dan made. Yes, I wanted integral dual blade catches in front of the Res-C guard.

IMO this is a well-balanced, quick knife with the best grip yet from SY. I really, really like it. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

Yes, I emailed them, including pictures of the destroyed guard, within a week or two of buying my Regulator at Blade. I also made statements that the guard needed to be fixed when I posted my full length review and chopoff, exactly six months after I purchased the knife and was permitted to comment publicly about it.

It is only now that I am being more harsh about the guard, for two reasons - one, because I am shocked that it wasn't addressed, and I am hardly the only person who has noticed the problem (just look at the votes in this poll if you don't believe me). And two, because I am disappointed to see people defending this very poor design choice with a "if you don't like it, shut up about it" attitude.


I tested the hell out of both of my test team blades, including being stuck with a knife I HATED (the killa zilla), which cost me a month's mortgage payment and I was not allowed to sell for six months, despite the fact that the knife sucked. I think I earned the right to complain, especially given the fact that MANY people feel the same way I do about the guard.

I hope the blade still stays thick as hell. That thing would create serious holes. .44 Magnum of Bowies

While certainly true, Tom, several folks have jumped down my throat for daring to point out the incredibly weak nature of the guard, even going so far as to accuse me of not using my knife properly. Who would have thought we'd see the day where fans of Bussekin steel would be telling someone "you're using your knife too hard" when it fails at a simple task like batoning firewood? My complaints would be a lot less vocal if not for the constant barrage of fanboyism that I've faced since daring to question the decision to do nothing about the guard.

The negativity doesn't just come from the criticisms of the design - it also comes from the kneejerk fanboyism that has people attacking others for the way they choose to use a 1/3 of an inch thick sharpened prybar.


Yes, Dan asked for our feedback, but considering the number of people who thought the guard was terrible, and the lack of even a single person who has said "I suggested a saber grind", I question the idea that he listened to it all that much.

With the saber grind, I'd be surprised if it stayed the full 1/3 of an inch thick. With a full flat grind, that thickness was still efficient for chopping and even decent for slicing, but a saber grind at the same total blade height and thickness would create a much less acute grind angle, making it a less efficient cutter in general. At a full flat grind, the 1/3 inch thickness was perfect <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbup.gif" alt="" />

Sorry I missed the meaning. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

Yeah, I definately prefer a full flat grind for cutting ability, but theres nothing wrong with a saber grind for durability. I definately see this knife as more of a Ka-Bar than a wood chopper, especially with the new grind.

Okay, keep crying then... <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/sad.gif" alt="" />

I am sorry you feel "attacked" by "fanboyism"...whatever that is. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif" alt="" />

Honestly I can see where he is coming from, They produce test team knives to get feedback. And he's said the things he doesn't like about it and people are basically getting mad at him. It's a discussion forum. I think hes intitled to his opinion on the knife.

I'm sure Dan listened, otherwise why even produce a test team version?
Maybe a reinforced guard would jack the price up more than Dan wants to offer the knife for. Maybe the saber grind strengthens the knife, and keeps costs down but still staying within the best performance to price ratio. I'm sure he has reasons for everything he's done. Just wait and see and if you don't like it, don't buy one. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

Was the input provided from the Test Team members posted anywhere in a consolidated thread?

I read the Regulator thread but Dan stated that the Test Team input went directly from the team member to him.

I would be interested to see how many Test Team members recommended certain changes to the design.

-Stan

Obviously I'm no mod, but I just want to remind folks to treat each other with respect. Opinions vary and are valid...

For me, the yard is a great, friendly place to chill and blab about common interests and not sweat people getting internet-uppity. Hope we can keep it that way!

They are just knives folks (great knives! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> ) There's a nice thread going about why we love busse-kin...maybe amble over there! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

Well, I would love to read the TT feedback too just to see how my ideas compared to others. I do believe that my idea came in conclusion with many others----a good knife that needed a metal guard or no Res-C at the top.

Fanboyism is the following of something so blindly that you don't know good from bad, etc. The pic posted of the "bean" explains it well.

Its a pear!

It reminds me of the "Bean" in Chicago.

There is something not being said here so it's time to get in on this discussion. First MM, I value the testing you did and the results and opinions you shared with the yard, thank you.

Now let me put my two cents in. If you're going to beat on the guard or the handle it does need to be reinforced. I don't beat on res-c handles. Generally speaking a guard is designed to keep your hand from slipping onto the blade and injuring your hand. The res-c Regulator guard does that.

I told a number of Dogs I would post my test results. I'll get that done someday but with 59 pictures I've had problems getting it done. I will tell you this. I soaked the Regulator handle with Deet (Deet eats some handle materials) for two hours before testing. I stabbed the knife into wood, metal and concrete. The guard never failed to protect my hand. I took a one inch dowel rod put the Regulator in a vice and bent the guard flat against the knife. It would not break.

I voted not important....and I'm right.... for the way I'll use the Regulator the guard will do everything I expect it to do. MM is also right....for the way he'll use the Regulator the guard needs to be reinforced.

I wasn't aruging that point Bruce. I was agreeing with it. I used the term beat on the guard instead of batoning. Isn't batoning driving the knife down through a piece of wood with another piece of wood? I also do that but I leave enough of the tip of the knife beyond the wood that I can beat (baton) on the end of the knife and push down on the handle with my hand. Like I said. If you're going to beat (baton) on the handle the guard needs to be reinforced. My point was not all of us will do that.

The guard was also not beat on, it was a result of hitting the tip and the guard dug into the wood.

I had the same problem both with the top and bottom guard. The damage was not bad but it still affects the look.

I would like something to protect the guard but it is not a deal breaker. If it gets to chewed up I am sure I can send it for repair.

I am still waiting for specs and pricing before making any final decisions.

Again it should be stated the damage to the guard was not do to hitting it, but as a result of normal batoning.

it depends what size wood you baton, cuz there can be inside rubbing,

I wouldnt mind seeing a Dog Father style handle on it either. if that was an option instead of a reinforced guard.

Sethrotull, Thank you for the clarification. I didn't know that was how the damage happened <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/doh.gif" alt="" />. I need the read the post a little closer next time <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/paperbag.gif" alt="" />. I didn't have that problem with the batoning I did with mine but the handle didn't come in contact with the wood either.

Bruce, we can make some money on this. Let's design a slip-on metal piece that can be put on for batoning and slipped off for everything else. If the price was right I bet everyone who buys a Regulator would buy one. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

Here is a picutre of the guard being bent

and here's one of some heat damage....of course that one occured because I set the knife on fire

I'm in for one! The Jackell552 collaboration guard that is.................

TOTAL flashback to "First Blood" with Rambo using his Jimmy Lile knife to make a torch when trapped in the tunnel.

-Stan

Yes Stan, part of the testing was Rambo inspired

holy crap @ the "setting the knife on fire" pic. I'm not sure what you hoped to accomplish, but I liked it <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbup.gif" alt="" />

like those pics and tests. How did it work as a spear?

It didn't work as a spear at all. The balance was all wrong. It would turn sideways the minute it left the hand. It did work well as a slashing tool for clearing brush that way.

I distinguish between the 'fighter' and the 'camp' use of the Reg. IOW, if it was designed predominantly for fighting then Dan probably would have and should have made the blade much thinner than .33 inch.

Although the spine of a bowie is not ideal for a camp knife (i.e. batoning) I will mainly use the knife for its utility rather than it's fighter profile. That's why I think the Reg doesn't reach it's potential without the reinforcing guard.

That Reg is so unique that a bunch will sell, regardless!

FWIW here are my posts concerning the Regulator.

http://www.scrapyardknives.com/ubbthread...0&fpart=all

http://www.scrapyardknives.com/ubbthread...true#Post285307

On an unrelated note, this thread reminds me that I'll have to cancel my order for my 458...you know... since it is such a "poor design" that I will not be able to drive it through the creek while pulling my old Ford 8900 on the 5th-wheel trailer. I cannot purchase such a "poorly designed and implemented" vehicle. I want my deposit back.

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ETA the quotation marks

What do you mean? Which facts?

I didn't intentionally direct my previous comment at you. I just posted in the [Quick Reply:] box. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

So...you do get my point...or should I make some more outrageous comparison statements ???

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Okay, well, no way will I buy a regulator because of the "poor design".

It is so "poorly designed and implemented" from just past the tip of the blade all the way to the handle that I am unable to carve a legible three paragraph note to my loved ones into a 3" x 5" surface area of an oak tree.


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Obnoxious straw man arguments like yours are exactly why I've felt the need to defend my original statements. The guard on the regulator sucks, and I'm far from the only one who thinks so.

I think that most folks have made their opinions known as to the guard on the Regulator. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif" alt="" /> Now the subject is beginning to ruffle some feathers, so I think it's time I lock this thread before this forum degrades into something none of us want! Does anyone still remember the mantra "Long Live the Brotherhood of the Yard"? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif" alt="" />