What did you do to prepare today?

This is a companion to my "What did you buy" thread. The idea here is: not everything survival preparedness related has to incur cost. Some things are free like research, exercise, inventory control, food rotation, etc etc etc.

So here's your chance to sound off about your activities. Hopefully this will encourage other people! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbup.gif" alt="" />

I'll start...

My survival related activities today included:

1) I started a thread about food storage on another site. Further, I continued to contribute to it.

2) I contributed to a thread about mini survival kits.

3) I contributed here.

4) I researched cold weather clothes.

5) I invested "Black Friday" deals at a host of online gear and food retailers.

I read your posts Arch <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />

I rigged up and maxped cocoon pouch onto my steelnut kydex sheath for my DSF and started getting my BOB belt order in order.

Items in Cocoon Pouch:
LMF Firesteel
4 quick tinders
Small container with PJCB's
50ft paracord
Small Bic Lighter
10ft Ductape
Aquamira Frontier Filter Straw
Small Sharpening Stone
BoyScout Bandana with First Aid information on it
Cut Up Pantyhose

Thanks to you fellow Dogs for putting together such comprehensive lists and putting so much thought into your setups. It has inspired this pup to gear up!
J

At lunch I put 300 rounds through my new 22 pistol and 100 through my EDC Glock 21. After work, I hit the gym for an hour followed by a 5 mile run at 6,500 feet altitude.

I sorted my MRE stash from oldest to newest so I could use the older one on my camping trips this winter.

I read arch's posts! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbup.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbup.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbup.gif" alt="" />

More research, Read posts here, Thanks all, especially arch. Watched some utube vids. Some good some bad. Trying to come up with organization plan for preps. Thinking about what to put in my Maxpedition sitka bag.

I went through my first aid supplies this morning and worked out.

Yesterday I received a new GHB in the mail and equipped it, along with another 1,000 ft. roll of paracord.

Funny but true, I did that too. and I double checked the family BOBs as well as finding a local FFL for a new "tool" I ordered.

Question for Arch and everybody else.
Are all ferro rods created equal?
Harbor Freight has magnesium/ferro rods for just $2
but is there a trade off or catch?
From what I have seen the online places have little if anything for under $10
I want quality, and fully understand survival supplies is not a place to skimp, but I want value for my money.
Are there any particular ferro rods anybody really likes? links please.

Here's one good source. I have one from them and I guess it's OK. Works just fine.
www.firesteel.com

And here is another that is intriguing. Ferro rod/magnesium combined.
http://www.campingsurvival.com/aufistflstan.html

OH and you can ask Dogtired, he MAKES rods for folks. I've got one from him and IT IS NICE!

I can say that my experience has shown that "less expensive" ferro rods deteriorate with age. I've only owned one "cheap chinese made" ferro rod, but it eventually started to crumble.

I would certainly try one of those rods advertised on feeBay for $2 or $3, but honestly a Light My Fire is only $10 if you shop around.

Ferro rods take practice to master. This is where I think the cheap version would come in handy - keep wear off your "go to rod".

What did I do today to prepare?

1) Stayed up very late last night making final decisions as to which guns I want to keep and which I want to sell. This has been a thoroughly vetted process, but I wanted to make sure that my "pruning" didn't leave me with any voids in my defenses.

2) Finalized my shotgun research, and had one last discussion with my wife about which "wing gun" I wanted/needed. I selected a Benelli M2 Field. I knew where a great deal could be had so this morning I fought the Black Friday crowds to pick it up. The new SG is sitting next to me as I type. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

3) Went through my safe, and checked my firearms for signs of rust. Wiped everything down with LSA.

4) Went through all of my ScrapYard & SwampRat knives, and gave them a liberal coat of LSA.

5) Started to form fit the kydex insert inside a SpecOps Combat Master (Short) to one of my 511's.

6) While I had stuff out of my safe, I took pictures of the guns I want to sell. I also started writing ads for online.

7) I cleaned my new Benelli, and all of the guns I took to my uncle's Thanksgiving Dinner. My family typically has a "show and tell" sort of side show for those of us that are gun enthusiasts. This year there were two FAL's, one BCM MidLength AR15, one PTR91 (G3), one Sig556, one AR101, one Kahr CM9, two HK USP45's, one Sig Sauer P228, and one Sig Sauer P220SAO.

Did some reading.

Added some fuel additive to the auxillary tank in case the weather gets cold. A full tank of fuel can save your life or someone elses.

Bought some more ammo and materials to make more window shutters. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbup.gif" alt="" />

Very true, always good to have a full tank just in case!

I take it further than most people... 36 gallomn aux tank in the bed of the truck. With it and a full tank I should be able to go 850 miles at slow or highway speeds.

If I drove 40 and 50 mph I could go over a 1000.

1) Installed night sights on my HK USP.

2) Developed some survival plans.

3) Posted guns for sale online.

4) Developed some gear setups for someone else.

Today I got some suture kits and medical supplies.

Have you ever thought about getting a staple setup? Much quicker and easier than sewing yourself or friend up.

Picked up 4 cases of bottled water. I am going to be sure and keep no less than 2 on hand.

Went to the gym(long term survival prep).

Bought a couple of heavy sweat-shirts for the bags, and a timberjack for log cutting.

1) Read this and other posts
2) Worked out
3) added extra pair of glasses to my BOB
4) I live in an urban envoroment and discovered an alternate "on foot" route if the roads and freeways get to crowded. Its a pretty good one, and has been invisible to me until a neighbor pointed it out. I will walk it many times to get to know it better.

Found out we've got a gunshop in my home town now. Going to get a V rear sight and bead front put on my Glock 17. I also THINK (depending on what is said in the filter/purifier section of the outdoors thread) I am going to order a Sawyer water filter/purifier system. I really need something besides the Emergency straws.

Started reading Surviving Cold Weather by Greg Davenport over the past few days. Going into town today to local gun store and ordering Ruger Mk3 22LR pistol. Thanks again Arch for the info.

Got one of my bows sold this week. So it is a go on the "small pistol" problem is I can't make up my mind what I want.

Decided to part ways with a .17 hmr, took the scope off of it to go on something else. Now I just need to sell it. It's practially mint and is likely worth about 150 bucks. Money that can go to the gun fund.

Just saw this JJ, where do you get them.

This is the one a buddy has and I am thinking about getting.

http://www.amazon.com/Surgical-Disposabl...4014&sr=8-2

I have this one I have.

http://www.amazon.com/Skin-Stapler-3-M-2...4014&sr=8-3

Make sure you get a remover too. Not fun taking them out with a Leatherman.

Had some time to kill at work today and decided to play with the lamination machine.



Previously I had the SERE manual printed with the automatic booklet function on the office printer, but it is now getting ragged. I figured this laminated version will last a little longer and is water proof. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />



It is thicker than the original, but is about 4.5" x 6", so it is smaller in those dimensions.

Nice jj, it's great to make your own ref. Book!

i need to make one of those. good call.

as for what i did today.... well, im in afghanistan. soooooo i survived another day. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

Since you're offering, I'll take one JJ!

OK, now that the fun is over, Got a question for you guys and didn't really know where to put it.

I've Got a chance to buy a coleman model 533 dual fuel stove with the silver plastic case for $20.00 used. It's really bigger than I wanted, but for that price (it looks in really good shape) I thought it might be worth picking up. What think you guys?

I thought you said lantern, sorry. Never tried their stoves but love their lanterns. For the price I would grab it though. Could always use it as trade.

I would grab it up in a heart beat.

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I think I am gonna try. If it's still there this weekend or Monday (After I look at it again) I think I'll get it. It burns coleman fuel of course and unleaded gas.

i cut my finger w/ my izula....so i practiced my first aid skills..:)

Hope your ok vance <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

I got that Coleman stove, but it's the model 508 NOT the 533. Works great though and It'll work for 20 bucks. It's even got a silver plastic case it fits in.

For sure!

Now I just need to decide which one of those pots I'm gonna get that JJ uses the .75 liter or the 1.1 liter.

Here's a link if anyone is looking for an indestructible LOCKABLE pot from .475 all the way to 1.6 liters. JJ HIGHLY recommends them so you know they have to be good!

Don't remember how I came across this but I found it and you guys may find it interesting as well.

http://wildernessinnovation.com/

Oh and I saw a Youtube video about an alcohol stove and the "Fuel" was HEET! Never would have thought of that.

I don't buy into the idea of toting around gas and complex internals in field stove. I have never had an issue with getting water to boil using coals from a camp fire on a makeshift rock stove. I can't justify, in my mind, carrying the extra wait. Plus, it just feels right cooking game on a rotisserie made of found branches and cooking on an open flame. That's my $0.02. Spend it how you please.

JJ, I agree with you. I want a little "Stove" for burning wood as well. This gas stove IS NOT A BACK PACKING stove, just another "In case" item. For my pack I want some sort of small wood burning stove to burn twigs in to heat up water for soup, coffee, tea, etc.

Jj,
Do you just dislike the improvised stoves or camping ones too?
dedicated camp stoves like my msr whisperlite are great for a quick water boil for dehydrated meals. Plus some parks not allow open fires I hear.

For survival no fire no smoke, multiple fuels, I think it's a good thing to carry.

The twig stove looks god I wouldn't think a lot of smoke is given off and fuel is plenty.


But you are right nothing beats the flavor and experience of fire/ fowl cooking!

If it is a true survival situation a stove doesn't make sense where I live. All you would need is the ability to build a fire.

That said, I do have a little camping stove to comply with rules certain places. It is a little Vargo titanium job that burns alcohol.


Today I bought 40 pounds of beans and put them in new 5 gallon buckets. Bought a case of protein bars too. Not super survivally stuff but I could stay at the house for several weeks with that many pounds of beans I think.

I have about a half cord of seasoned wood I could cook over not to mention the grill etc.

I think stoves like the MSR you have are great for short run back packing, but I prefer the ritual of building a fire even if it is just a mall enough one to get coals to boil water. I am in no hurry.

Like I have said before, in a survival situation it is probably a good thing to have smoke to help the rescue folks find you. Think about all the disasters or whatever you have read about, heard about or seen since you have been paying attention - Katrina, Japan quake, Haiti quake, tsunamis etc etc etc, I promise you they wanted to be seen, heard and found ASAP.

Yes, there is the off chance TEOTWAWKI could happen and then smoke may not be a wise idea, but I am not going to add the few pounds to my pack for that off chance event when a few pounds of water, food or ammo (for food and maybe protection) is probably going to be more needed than keeping low profile.

When is the last time good people had to hide from a large invading force on U.S. soil?

People talk about the U.S. economy going belly up. And, I agree we are heading down a bad road, but we are nowhere near Great Depression levels. My granddad tells a lot of stories, some about the depression. Is he hiding the stories about hiding in the woods from marauders?

Sorry about the soap box tangent, I just think prepping for immediate survival like in a Katrina event is more important than prepping for Red Dawn. (shhh, Arch hates it when I use that movie reference) <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

You'd be good for a few weeks if you could stand the smell. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

Protein bars don't smell. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

Not sure which protiens bars you've been eating.

Great points jj

Well, not exactly what I've done to prepare....

I've been helping educate a couple of my relatives. They've become very interested in survivalism, and I've been writing "primers", taking calls, answering countless texts, and hosting them at the house to explain the process, mind set and products.

Sounds like prepping a circle of trust <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

Movie reference?

More like training film <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />





[color:"red"]WOLVERINES! [/color]

That gave me a good laugh and helped me dcide what to watch tonight.

Excuse me while I pop some corn for tonight's training session.

I snagged a 40mm ammo can, ran it through the dish washer, laid a bead of silicon inside the bottom and rattle canned the outside. It should hold about 3000 rounds of 9mm in their factory boxes.

Cycled 10 miles to a friend's house to pick up about 50 pounds of camping gear I let him borrow and have lunch. Cycled back home with said gear strapped to my bicycle and my EDC pack (about 15 pounds) on my back. I spent about 45 minutes in the home gym doing upper body with mostly dumbells and my own body weight. Then ran 3.3 miles in boots and utility pants with a 30 pound pack on my back.

3600

Impressive. I have to start doing more cardio.

Within the last couple days:

Checked my gas cans and food storage

Got a bunch of rechargeable AAA bats in the mail

Purchased a factory second knife at the Buck factory store

Got a wool shirt at Goodwill for $4

Got a bunch of free fire wood from a buddy that worked on my wifes car

I have finally worn out my shoelaces in my favorite hiking boots. I replaced the laces with a good quality paracord. Each one is around a 6 foot length. I'm sure I can put it to good use if I needed it.

MB,

I always replace my laces with 7 strand 550.

Thanks for posting this.

Printed 500 pages of survival information.

I got a platypus bottle and a surefire G-2 delivered today. I'm curious about the platypus bottles.

Nice choices. I use a platypus 1liter with one of those inline Katydyn filters. They screw on perfectly for a quick gravity filter or just to make it easier to suck the water through by squeezing the bag.

If I can get an AR together and a quality H2O set up or two together I will be pretty set.

If I didn't have a house payment I would feel more comfortable too but I am not sure how to get around that anytime soon. Over the next little while I hope to have enough cash we aside to cover 6 months worth of bills.

House, utilities, auto insurance, mobile phones and Internet are my only bills. Home insurance and property taxes are held in escrow.

How much ammo is enough ammo?

Home, car, person?

I use/carry Platypus bottles in my small kits. They're more durable than they look!

Printed another 500 pages of information. I need to set aside 2 hours a night for reading.

I'm glad to hear they are more durable than they look. I bought one just to T&E. I like the properties for its intended use. Very little weight and space until you fill it up.

I've had some folded flat in small PSK's for a very long time. Those PSK pouches are STUFFED with all manner of hard,sharp,pointy gear bits and the Platypus bags survived.

You can attach a Frontier Pro filter to one as an "inline" system that lets you fill the bag with untreated water and:

A) Suck drinkable water out of it.
B) Hang the bag so it gravity feeds into a clean reservoir like a Nalgene or canteen.

Its a great "passive" system.

Debt FREEDOM is the most worthy objective!

When we counsol people we ALWAYS tell them the only acceptable debt is your mortgage, adn that you should pay it off as quickly as possible. We often hear "but what about the taxes we save because we can claim our interest as a deduction?". That's an easy question to answer: You only get your tax percentage back. Example given: You pay $10,000 in mortgage interest to the bank and are in the 25% tax bracket - you only get to save $2,500 in federal income tax. Put another way - YOU ARE SPENDING A DOLLAR TO SAVE A QUARTER! Its stupid, but people have a hard time understanding it.

Six years ago my wife and I started the Dave Ramsey "debt snowball". I can flat out tell you:

1) If you have an "all in - we're sticking with this plan" attitude it ABSOLUTELY works!

2) It is the most empowering feeling to watch your debt shrink.

I can't tell you how good it makes me feel to see someone else mention wanting to get out of debt - stick with it brother as you CAN do it!

HOME

This is an often debated / discussed survival issue. The correct answer is: you can never have enough food, water or ammo.

The manageable answer for those of us not blessed with a Gringots bank vault filled with inherited gold:

1A) The answer depends on the number of firearms you have in each caliber.

1B) You should try to limit the number of calibers you have. Obviously one or two calibers will not cover all of your survival firearms needs (we all have more than one or two tools in our toolbox), but try to limit "overlap" and "hobby" calibers.

1C) Select EXTREMELY widespread calibers like 22LR, 9mm, 40SW, 45Acp, 223/5.56x45mm, 308/7.62x51mm, and 12 Gauge. After the balloon goes up we won't have WalMart to buy from, but there will always be some unsavory characters working for the Government that will be willing to "loose" some 9mm, 223 or 308 for the right price....

1D) I recommend:

1Di) Small Game Hunting / Pest COntrol = 22LR

1Dii) Personal Defense / CCW (which will be very important in a survival situation like having to venture into a foreign town for information) = 9mm or 45Acp

1Diii) Close Quarters Battle / Bug Out Defense = 223.

1Diiii) Large Game Hunting / Distance or Anti-Cover Defense = 308.

1Div) Home Defense / General Hunting = 12 Gauge.

2) I also recommend that you have TWO identical (or nearly identical) firearms. I don't really recommend spare parts anymore as I'd prefer people to have another fully working firearm that can be canabalized if necessary. Example given: one Glock 17 and one Glock 19. Example given #2: M4 with a Trijicon ACOG and M4 with only fixed iron sights.

3) The amounts of ammo I recommend for those people that have "a couple" of firearms in each caliber:

22LR = 5000 MINIMUM
9mm or 45Acp = 1000 per FIREARM
223 = 2000 per FIREARM
308 = 1000 per FIREARM
12 Gauge = 250 Slugs, 500 Buck, 1000 Shot (BB, 4, 8's)

4) I suggest people feel comfortable when they have:

22LR = 15,000 (This is your "do everything round")
9mm or 45Acp = 5,000
223 = 10,000
308 = 2,5000 (low because at $500 a case - its hard to stockpile)
12 Gauge = 500 Slugs, 1000 Buck, 2500 Shot (BB, 4, 8's)

This is more than the typically recommended amounts (1000 rifle, 500 handgun).

CAR

This depends on what you keep in your car, and on your person.

If you carry a handgun then I recommend you keep (2) boxes of ammo for it in your car. This gun is only to get you back to your rifle and home.

If you have a "trunk gun" then I recommend as a MINIMUM(8) magazines and enough ammo to refill those (8) magazines. Many people keep a 22 in their car with 1000 rounds. This gun is only to get you home.

PERSON

I've had a handgun license for around 19 years now. While I would like to carry 100rds on me 24/7 - this just isn't practical because I also EDC:

1) Folding Knife - Spyderco Delica 4
2) Flashlight - Leatherman Serac S3
3) SAK - Vic Hiker
4) Fire Steel - LMF Scout
5) Cellular Phone - iPhone
6) Electronic Information / Records - 1gb Flash Drive
7) Cash - Money Clip
8) Keys - House, Car, Work, etc.
9) Wallet
10) Watch
11) Wedding Ring

The above is what I have on me all the time. I also carry (whenever possible):

12) Fixed Blade - Scrap Yard or Swamp Rat (often a Rodent Solution)
13) Sidearm
14) Reloads

As a result I've found that 3 reloads is about what I can manage.

You're right Arch, IT AIN'T EASY (and we've fallen off the wagon a couple times) and we are not getting it done as fast as we like, but we ARE working on it, more than we ever have before! Our house will be paid for in 2 years and we will also have our other (CC) bills paid off by or before then, so we are hopeful.

Randy - two years is AWESOME! Congrat's brother. Stick with it, and you'll experience what true freedom is soon enough!

Yeah, just in enough time to get another vehicle! (unless I find something before hand). With all Patty's medical problems I positively hate not having a running vehicle (dependable) at home for her. I am afraid the Jeep will very soon go the way of the Dodo bird.

Oh and by the way, that IFAK I got from you (thanks again) is so full I almost can't get it zipped up! Plus I have my little metal soapdish edc "Kit" together. I've got a firesteel DT made for me using a 38spl case for a handle and I specified the length and he came across (3 1/4) inch long, PJ cotton balls, striker, couple gauze pads, band aids, Tylenol, ibuprofen, alieve, benedryl, allergy meds bowel meds and germ x wipes. oh and some butterfly bandages (3)

Glad to hear the IFAK is working for you. So many people over look the importance of First Aid gear. Its all bullets and no beans or band aidsv <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif" alt="" />

I think that is due in large part to our society. EVERYTHING pushes guns and bullets. Movies, TV, news media (by fostering fear)... well you get the idea.

Jared posted that he was looking into a 30-30. I told him that considering he is in South Florida and the largest "Killers" he will be looking at are probably crocs and alligators that since he has a revolver in 357 he should look into a matching lever rifle. ONE in common ammo to keep track of, plus he could shoot 357/38spl and if he had another cylinder 9mm. I've thought about this setup myself, I have a single six convertible with the 357/9mm cylinders.

This will certainly upset some people....

Lever guns are a no-go for survival. They aren't as durable or easy to maintain as more modern (military inspired) designs. The United States military found lever guns lacking for frontier use, and that's why we only have a handful of "lever action muskets" being issued.

While its romantic to think of John Wayne fending off hordes of Indians with his trusty '66 - its more realistic to think of someone sloshing through the Post Apocalyptic world with a stone reliable AK that is simple to strip, has a chrome lined bore that will resist corrosion, and holds 30 rounds of rapidly replaced ammo.

If a caliber combo appeals to you: GO WITH 22LR!

Haha, I for one am not upset Arch! I agree with you about the lever gun. My "Theory" was just the commonality of ammunition for both weapons in a Major Caliber.

I also agree with you about the 22! In a survival situation a 22 would, I think, prove much more useful than a "Major" caliber. You can kill almost anything with a 22, especially here in the good old U.S.of A.

The ONLY defensive rifle designs I endorse (and I've owned or used every design available to the public):

1) AR15 from a top tier manufacturer (BCM, Colt, etc)

2) AK47 from a top tier manufacturer (Arsenal, early Norinco, etc). This includes Galil and Valmet from the ORIGINAL MANUFACTURER (IMI only for the Galil).

3) FAL from DSA or FN

4) (To a lesser degree) M1A from Springfield Armory with ALL USGI PARTS (except the receiver of course)

There is a reason why the M16 family, AK family, and FAL dominated the world's arms market. You'll note that I do not list G3's above even though they were extremely prolific. The reason: they SUCK! The G3 has the worst ergonomics of any infantry rifle ever issued.

I've owned nearly every semi-auto design you can think of: AUG, HK91, HK93, HK94, Beretta AR70, Galil 386, Valmet 76 and 76T, Sig556 and Sig556 Classic, AR15, M1A, FAL, Robinson M96 (Stoner 63), Mini 14, Mini 30, M1 Garand, M1 Carbine, Daewoo K1, Daewoo K2, AR180, SKS, etc.

I've used the rest: ACR, SCAR, FNC, Piston AR's, XCR, Sturmgewehr 44, G43, etc.

Holy, Smoke, are you sure you're only in your 30's?

Yes, absolutely........

The little 22 Long Rifle is the king of survival because:

1) It is cheap to stockpile.
2) It is cheap to train with (and thus encourages training).
3) It is quieter than more powerful cartridges (read about Jim Bridger).
4) It is light (can carry and store more).
5) It takes up less space than every other option (can carry and store more).
6) It leaves enough meat on the bone to eat (remember: its unrealistic to think you're going to live off large game....settlers and pioneers lived off of small game because its more plentiful and you don't to invest time preserving the left overs).
7) Everyone can master the use of it (unlike some more powerful weapons that can be difficult for younger or smaller people).
8) The guns that use it are smaller, lighter and therefore allow you to carry more ammo or other gear.

Late 30's, but remember....

My first rifle was an AR15 when I was 10 years old. My uncle and I built that rifle from a parts kit on my grandmother's kitchen table. By the time I was 11 I had an AR15, Colt CAR15, and Colt 1911.

I grew up with in a survivalist environment that exposed me to a lot of military weapons, gear, knowledge, training, etc. Not your typical childhood.

If it means anything to readers:

I only own a few rifles now: Arsenal SGL21, Arsenal SLR106FR, BCM Hammer Forged MidLength, Colt 6520 (I have two of these), DSA FAL 16" Fixed Stock, DSA FAL 18" Para Folding Stock, Ruger 10/22 (I have two of these), Ruger GSR, Sig556 Classic (for sale), Springfield Armory M1A (for sale).

These are the guns that my collection "boiled down to" over the years. I would stake my life an any of the above, and don't see a need to have a dozen military rifles anymore.

ETA:

I'm not listing the M1A and Sig556 for sale to solicit buyers (that's against the rules here) - I'm listing them to show that I no longer want them in my collection because my bases are adequately covered with the other rifles (and am more comfortable with the other designs).

Honestly, my wife with the scoped 10/22 and I with the scoped GSR would make a well rounded "TEOTWAWKI bug out" arsenal. Simple, reliable, accurate, easy to maintain. I'm not looking for a fight so I'd rather avoid people anyway!

I checked the expiration dates on all of our stored canned goods and dry goods.

We also bought 40 cans of beans and vegetables along with $157 worth of wool socks <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif" alt="" />

Patty lost a filling the other day, had it replaced today. Got to talking to the dentist (she used a Walmart bought temporary filling material) and he said he always takes some of that when he goes camping. I never thought of that before, but it WILL be going in "The Kit"!

Got some para cord and ade a dentist appointment! What fun is a cavity during the apacolapse? Think cast away <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

Oh and Ora Gel would be a nice addition as well. Gotta hit up Wallyworld in the next couple days anyway.

I inventoried my gear and supplies at home. Then made a list of stuff that I need to get or that I am in short supply on.

I took the time to really put a wicked edge on a 511.

Found and haggled on a price for a Kifaru Marauder pack... I already have one decent pack and am still on the fence if I need this. Thoughts?

Too late I bought it. Should be here today or Monday.

I spent 3 hours plotting a route on a map of the Mojave Desert on an overlay. I designated 6 check points, plus 6 alternate check points on the alt. route, defined the azimuths (converted them from map grid azimuths to magnetic azimuths), distances and defined three predetermined targets for supporting fire.

I will patrol this route soon.

I finished reading the book When There Is No Doctor: Preventive and Emergency Healthcare in Challenging Times . It was ok. It had a few nuggets of information. I got way more out of one of my Wilderness medicine books. Medicine for the Outdoors: The Essential Guide to Emergency Medical Procedures and First Aid . Maybe thats why it didn't like this one as much.

I made a mistake and purchased Where there is no DR last year. Completely different book and while there was pertenent information it was more suited to missionaries and thrid world countries.

My Dad is an ER Doc and my wife is a nurse I hope they are around when I need them!

Some of the best advice I ever heard was to not get sick or hurt. Some things you can prevent some you can not.

Always wear gloves and good shoes. These are often overlooked.

A small injury in the field can be a big deal. I know people who have had to have major surgery from infections from small splinters. Not such a big deal when the hospital is a few minutes away but obviously an inssue in the situations we discuss.

Ask yourself how many cuts you could have prevented with gloves on...

Anyway, I have been tossing Mechanix gloves in my packs.

Military guys are always told to take care of their feet correct? Simple things like changing into dry socks can really make a difference.

An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. I have decent trauma care training. But thats dependant on having a facility to take someone to. The Wilderness medicine book has some great things that anyone with a little knowledge and forethought can ease suffering and help with common problems. The best part is they give a list of OTC stuff and uses that people may not have thought of.

With what you can get at Wally World you can do a surprising amount of stuff.

Clean dry socks are an inspect-able item in a field pack.

That doesn't surprise me.

I worked at a nursery(trees) for awhile and my feet about rotted off at first. Soon I switched to boots from tennis shoes and changed socks during breaks. Problem solved.

Might be a dumb question, but do you guys use wool socks even in the warmer parts of the year? I would think not, but as old as I am my thinking isn't so good sometimes.

I use a moisture wicking sock in the warmer months.

Thanks MB, that is what I figured, but wanted to ask some of the Yard's Experts.

yep
even down here in ga..i wear wool socks everyday during the summer

I wear wool even in the summer since it keeps the moisture off your feet. They are warm though.

Filled up gas cans with mid grade regular gas - from a station that does not add ethanol

I didn' think the Gumment would allow pump gas without ethanol.

Restocked OTC meds in my Pocket First Aid Kit.

I started carrying a pocket FAK a few weeks ago. Nothing really earth shattering, Just some aspirin, Ibuprofen, Claritin D, Benedryl, Immodium and some Zofran (REALLY good anti-nausea medicine) for Patty. I also have some bandages, 2x2 inch gause, germ-X wipes. I also have a SAK classic in it now along with 3 PCB and my ferro rod that DT made for me.

It amazes me how much of the stuff I have used. Mostly the meds, but also the Knife (scissors and tweezers mostly) AND the cottonballs and ferro rod once.

I have it all inside a metal (hinged lid) metal soap container that has a size of 3.75 X 2.75 X 1.25. It fits in my pocket pretty well.

If you don't carry anything like this, start carrying a few items and you will be surprised at how much you will find a "Need" for it.

i picked up a chest freezer from a friend monday $50

Ate several Mt. House meals...all of which I think are keepers.

Filled up two propane tanks and bought a full third one.

I'm working out four to five days a week swimming at least two miles everyday with some wt. training. I am looking at taking two exams that will keep my existing IT skills sharp and break me into the security arena. This year is my year to challenge myself physically and mentally.

I made up some meal packs. Similar to an MRE but you have to cook the main meal. I used a foodsaver/seal a meal and put several differnt meals that can be boiled like broccoli and rice or noodles and sauce. Then each one has a pack of oatmeal, a granola bar, 1 pack yogurt raisens, 2 packets of peanut butter , a pack of coco and a package of cider drink. I vacumed sealed them. All you have to do for the main meal is dump the contents into the seal a meal bag add water and boil it in your mess kit. No cleanup of your mess kit because you boil it in the bag and you can eat it from there.

Each one is about 1,600 Calories if you eat everything and 40 grams of protein.

I am debating something else to bump the calories up to around 2,000. All of it will last for a couple years being vacum packed. I thinking this will be the ticket for hiking and ATV camping trips. The pack is a bit smaller than an MRE.

I chewed the center out of many insurgent paper targets at lunch. The supply chief needed help DRMO'ing (Defense Reutilization and Marketing Of ... simply put, getting rid of) so stuff at Hill Air Force Base. While at the pound, I saw a few pallets of stuff that didn't have paper work. I asked if I could rummage, and the bossman said get to it. 30 minutes later = A measuring wheel that I will use to place targets in the wild - 5 ammo cans in various sizes in immaculate condition, another indicator I was on an Air Force Base, they are much more civilized than us, - lastly, a carbon fiber telescopic pole. I have no idea what it is for, but it is very light, strong (I tried to snap it with the help of the gunny) and the locks where it telescopes are made of some kind of high grade aluminum. Collapsed: about 3 feet. Extended; about 13 feet. I'll find a use for it.

After work, I hit the wieghts for 1 hour then ran for one hour up and down the hills of the Wasatch Ridgeline.

Sounds like you had a good day JJ. I LOVED DRMO office, and the "Unmarked pallets" didn't last very long, at least the good stuff didn't! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbup.gif" alt="" />

Checked out a site that has some 2mm braided line that the manufacturer says is 1000 pound test! Comes in 50 foot hanks. I think that I am going to order some.

http://gossamergear.com/etc/accessories/ezc-2-line-1.html

I ran three miles this morning.

Been doing a mile a day on the treadmill. Yeah I know it's not much, but we're just starting. I have increased the speed and incline. One day I did a 3.5 speed and an incline of 3.5. I Was tired!

Anyway, working in trying to get the mile time down and increase of the incline. Today I averaged a 2.7.

Have been missing this thread a little, so.......
This past weekend I picked up 500rnds. of Austrailan 7.62x51 ball. And yesterday a Kelly Kettle S.S. Base Camp with cook set came in.

Great thread. There is one like this on another forum I visit less often than I should.

Today we finished up a new 10' x 30" four section rabbit cage today that should house over half of our future dinners. Rabbits seem to be about the fastest/easiest meats one can raise, and they are easy to keep out of sight since they need zero daylight to survive. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

We also just found out we finally have a couple of our yak cows successfully bred so that we should get our first babies in the spring from our starter herd!

Over the past several months we have gathered firewood, built new livestock pens, mined gravel to build new roads where our clay is sometimes unable to be driven on, obtained more ammo, firearms, knives, reloading supplies, tools, scopes, hay for two winters, and organized around the place.

Also scored a great deal on a couple more surefire outdoorsman E2L AA (my favorite flashlight that goes everywhere I go and runs on sanyo eneloop rechargeables)

WOW! Sounds like you and Architect need to compare notes on how to live the uncluttered lifestyle! GOOD FOR YOU!!! Remember though, that you need a certain amount of fat in your diet.

Yeah, we have chickens/eggs, sheep, & yaks as well, plus what ever we grow. We are still working on our gardening skills. It is hard to teach yourself things you never learned in the city as a kid, and some of the mistakes made are hard lessons learned.

Today I am plowing 3" of snow (which is melting off pretty quick down to about 2" in this pic I just took) and bringing in more firewood.


Unfortunately, we are a long ways from the uncluttered lifestyle, but we are getting there over time.

Ordered my first suppressor, the SWR Spectre II. Its going to be a long wait and probably worse than any knife wait yet.

Just forget you ordered it the best you can. The ATF is in no hurry. I guarantee that.

I have heard good things about SWR from guys at the local range. They are actually made here in Salt Lake City (actually West Valley City a border town) in the same building my 22Sparrow SS was made. I think Silencerco bought SWR or partnered with them or something.

Finally got ahold of 10 7.62 PMag 20LRs and a couple of C Products S.S. 7.62 20 rounders.

Oh! and a 5 rounder for bench work. It was on back order the longest. Go figure.

Well I have to give my whole survival thing a new though since I am having a son in Jan. The plan used o bunker in, and that will probably still be the main thing since I have parents that are a few blocks away and dad is handicapped--still can lay lead down though. One thing is my brother has passed his EMT and is working on Paramedic right now so we have that going for us, we both have skills that many don't as to hand-to-hand/grappling, everyone in the family can shoot, we can load, we have some supplies (need to work on more), hunt/fish/snare/garden/etc., so I do feel better about that. To be honest, I am scarred now since I have the little one coming--no longer just about us, it is now US!

I was given a couple old 20LB propane tanks. I exchanged one of the empty ones for a new OPD tank for 19 bucks. Then I filled up a fuel can so I have fuel for my generator this winter and I filled up the tank on my ATV and winterized both.

I wished I had paid attention to the second propane tank. Its almost full but with the old valve it won't work on my grill or in my Camper. I hate wasting propane but I can't do anything with it. I didn't even think about it until I got back home.

Maybe you can find a hose with the old style regulator on it MB. Wouldn't hurt to check around. That reminds me, I need to get some coleman fuel.

I took my boy shooting today. He's getting good. He likes shooting the .17 HMR more than the .243 win, but can shoot them both. While kneeling he can regularly hit pop cans that are laying down at 50 yards. So, Any edible critter within 25 yards would be well within his range. He's going to take his hunter's safety course this year. I think he'll be ready. His cousin who is 9 killed her first buck last year, so my boy who will be nine this year is chomping at the bit.

Then, we went sledding... hiking up those hills reminded me that I need to work on my cardio.

I took my 12 year old hunting today. Took his first shot at a deer Monday and missed (more his gun than his aim). With any luck, he'll get his first soon and I can begin to pass the torch. Or at least have one more around that can help provide <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

Oh yeah, and I ordered a bug out hand gun.

What BUG did you get?

XDM 45acp <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />

Nice. I just recommended one of those to my buddy. He's getting a 460 Rowland conversion too.

Btw, crossbreed holsters rock for concealed carry. When legal, I carry my xdm40C and barely notice it.

I keep wondering if I should get the compact version to go along with it <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />

I'll have to remember the crossbreed holster. Thanks!

Then You could put the compact frame with the standard slide.

Exactly my thought <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />

Christmas was all about prepping.

- My wife wanted a generator--bought it early and my father-in-law helped get the transfer switch installed in November.

- Got my oldest boy started on his own survival kit--small EDC bag with a packable chain saw, bivvy sack, multi-tool, and firesteel.

- Also got him 200 yards of paracord and 50 buckles. He started really getting into making bracelets and is starting to get pretty dang good at it too.

- He gave me a paracord bracelet for Christmas <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

- Boys both got packs for their gear (as did I--for my night hunting gear).

- I got a couple of lights (including a nice 800 lumens from Nitecore).

- Put escape tools in all the adults stockings (my parents came down)--small device that fits on a key chain--has a belt cutter and a spring-loaded device to break out a window.

- Upgraded some of the family flashlights to LEDs.

- Gave my wife a Kershaw folder (don't think she'll actually carry it though)

Such a good post I thought it needed to come back up.

Yes, this needs to stay on the front page. Very good suggestions and although not everyone will follow the recommended amounts, it will at least let them (US) know how and where we stand and where we should maybe increase.

mom & i just got back from a handgun course

Actually nothing, but I did come across this, would make a long burning area and emergency signaling light.

http://www.countycomm.com/strobetll.html

It has a high (burns for up to 100 hours), low (burns for up to 500 hours) and strobe function (burns for up to 225 hours at 70 flashes per minute).

Max output is 150 lumen.

That looks great. I wish they made a model that took 4 x AAs.

Yeah I'm with you on that JJ, but with only one D cell needed and the long burn time It would probably work out for a LOT of use.

EXCELLENT!!! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbup.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbup.gif" alt="" />

Went to Green Top and Bass Pro just outside of Richmond and bought some reloading supplies and some fly tying material.

Not today, but a couple days ago I went out and picked up a fenix light and an EDC first aid kit (to replace the larger one I'd been carrying in my pack). Happened to come in really handy as that evening when I walked up to my hotel, a giant sign came crashing down on a girl who was standing on a ladder working on it (weighed several hundred pounds). After getting her out from under the wreckage I was able to help treat her wounds and check her out for a concussion before the ambulance arrived.

Pays to be prepared <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

Well done D/T!!! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/bowdown.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbup.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbup.gif" alt="" />

Well done super rodent. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbup.gif" alt="" />

Awesome DT.

Super rodent!

Way to go DT! You Da Squirrel! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbup.gif" alt="" />

While researching and stressing over which GHB to get (Maxped Pygmy Falcon II or Falcon II), it dawned on me that I have the perfect solution, OK, maybe.

I can get the Pygmy Falcon II (for it's small grab and go size, that will fit under the rear seat in the truck) AND then pair it up with my Maxped Proteus (thanks DT) AND /OR the Spec Ops (I THINK, thanks Architect) butt pack and have all the carrying capability I would need for what many consider the smallest of all the Bags. (Meaning the BOB, Rabbit bag and GHB.

I used the term Rabbit bag as an intermediate size bag for when you don't need, or can't get to your BOB and the GHB may be to small. I used Rabbit Bag because in certain situations you DO want to be the rabbit, Hide and run, AVOIDING detection. In ANY situation where there are "Hostiles" around, you DO NOT WANT TO BE DETECTED. (Unless you have them outnumbered and out gunned).

I have been meaning to pick up a Proteus to slap on the bottom of my Falcon II for a while.

I just haven't found one cheap enough yet.

Mine cost me a knife! Well Ok, I ALSO got some other stuff in the trade as well. One being a Swamp Warden with Piatt scales!

Ordered a new toy, should be here MAYBE next Wednesday.



Yeah I know, I know. It's a Weatherby Pa-459. And YES, it's only a 20 but it's what I wanted. Besides I only had to pay $37.00 and some change. (After Trade in of course)

Oh and did I mention I saw a Benelli Supernova tactical shotgun today? It was desert camo, but at least it wasn't black. Maybe in the not to distant future..... $499.00

I would have had it today but the guy wouldn't deal with me.

Oh and that was at a different store than where I got the Weatherby.

Now to start accessorizing.

I already know that a magazine extension (plus 2) for a Bennelli super nova will fit with just a little surgery. AND with the rail on the fore stock a picatinny light will fit just fine. Not really sure if I'll put a sling on it or not yet.

nice! even though i haven't shot with any i like the idea and looks of those sights on a shotgn.

The specs look good, Randy. Good luck with it.

I received a USMC IBLE milsurp pack.



And put these in it.

Where did you get the Jarhead bag from I would like to get one also.

Nice Bag Ray.

I'll let Y'all know how it shoots. The Deputies are supposed to have a range session Friday and one of the Sgts. told me to come and bring it with me. Picked up a Wally World 100 pack (it's only 7 1/2 shot) but it will work to break it in.

Now all I gotta do is figure out what shot, #2 or #3 or even RIO ROYAL #1 buckshot. (anyone have any experience with the RIO shells)?

And I am thinking about this
http://www.lapolicegear.com/st-tlr1s-hp-light.html

or this
http://www.amazon.com/Streamlight-69210-Flashlight-Function-Locating/dp/B0037CJCMK/ref=pd_sim_sg_2

and one of these for two more rounds.
http://www.riflestock.com/store/do/product/MXT/15-04-02

I watched this video. Interesting.

http://www.realfarmacy.com/diy-cheap-quick-easy-portable-stove-design/

Oh and I got a box of #2 shot 3 inch mag (1oz load) shells to break in my Semi Shotty.

They're Remington Nitro steel High velocity (3inch) Magnum #2 shotshells, 1330fps 1 ounce loads.

I Watched this video. Wonder if the friction = heat had anything to do with it?

http://videos.komando.com/watch/4483/viral-videos-how-to-open-a-can-without-any-tools

OK, Guzzlers, here ya go.

http://seriouslyforreal.com/more/turn-your-beer-bottles-into-glass-cups-5-easy-steps/

More silver arived today 5 more AR lowers also.

Dang Grease, you've been out some Jack!

LOL yeah with the lack of knifes I have put the cash twords silver and firearms/ammo.

I managed to pick up a bunch of 22lr and some primers this week. I am very happy about the 22 ammo. Thats darned near like finding gold lately.

Just ordered an aimpoint PRO from palmetto state armory. Very good buy

I bought a lifestraw but it is more for camping and hunting

How about a review later?

I am going camping next weekend and the weekend after so if I use it I will post a review

What will the tempiture be like?

built another AR. ;-)

no pics yet I will get them up tomorrow.

Bought more paper products.

I ordered some scope rings. For a really good price from a JYD (thanks! )... I also picked up some 7.62x39 soft point ammo to try out. Hopefully ill be hunting in a week or so.

so i think i have 157 rolls of "mountain money"

might be set for awhile

Lightweight!

I ordered a lifestraw. I snagged one for a heck of a deal.

pics of the new AR.

Looks good.

I bet it's LOUD. Make sure you have your ears in, [censored]...that's a massive brake.

Thanks Ray. It is loud Ishikawa , lol but it kicks like a bb gun. I built it for a brothers wife it will be used on the compound if needed. She loves it and it shoots well that is the important thing.

I picked up a couple of Mora Robust knives. I like them better than the regular ones because the handle is bigger.

Great looking gun. What's the barrel? Dosent look like a government profile. Is a heavy match?

looks like a standard a2 profile....my ar is off being camo'd
end of january ill have it back...old school

What kinda paint and camo pattern. I'm considering either painting or sending some stuff out to get done.

Looks nice

Cool
I hunted off and on with a 30/30 for years
They are close enough ballistically to know it is a good deer cartridge

Bought a Mr. Heater Big Buddy propane heater. 3 heat levels, 4K, 9K and 18K BTU's. Supposed to burn for up to 12 hours on 2 1 pound Canisters of propane on the low setting. PK (Tom) recommends them so you know they're good!

his pattern

I like that !!!

That's a good camo!

Thanks guys and yes it is a heavy barrel it is a full inch under the grips.

I am going to duracoat my lower this summer, I am thinking foliage green.

The bottom one is the contour of mine.

Beast

LOL yes it is GD.

coleman 62 quart 5 day for $25. i was planning to spend $40 on the 48 quart version with better handles and wheels but this will work.



just need a limit or two of fish or some deer meat now.

Nice score!

I bought some more fire steels.

Exotac Polystriker XL


Exotac Firerod with tinder capsule

So how do you like them so far?

I have not used them yet. I wanted to use them this weekend but everything is either wet or covered with snow.

DT has made me a few "Fire Kits" and they really work nice. Patty says it's the only Way I can start a fire!

You should try the method used by an adult leader of my Boy Scout troop when I was a kid. He could not get the wet wood to catch fire. (I wonder why)
So he siphoned some gas out of his car and poured it on the wood. It caught fire then. I always wondered why he had a can and some hose in his car.

Lol you have to love fire fluid.

Got a single shot adapter for my CZ 22 rifle. Been meaning to do that for some time now!

this cooler is pretty awesome. my folks fridge dieda few days before christmas so I took it over there. still had half of the same 10lb bag of ice after 3 days. my aunt shows up and needs to keep some frozen stuff on ice to back take home to alabama. more than enough space. had 3/4 of that bag of ice still there 3 days later and the stuff was still frozen solid. my aunt took my cooler so I had to go buy another one and picked up one for my folks. if you don't have a good cooler I think this would make a good option.

Looks like a good cooler Lazi!

Got some Celox and some trauma bandages. With the boys hunting with me more, I want to be prepared for ANYTHING.

I got a bunch of freeze dried beverage one serving pouches, you wouldn't believe how much better they can make life seem.

This thread hasn't seen the light of day for awhile...

I ordered a couple of life-straws last night. Beefing up the water situation is so needed- but so easy to ignore too! Just not as sexy as ammo, firearms and other toys I guess.

Its far more important than guns and ammo.

"Preppers" seem obsessed with bullets but never think about beans, bandaids, and water.

As a non-Prepper my entire life focus is on my stomach...I have to eat even if the ...zombies... (that was for you Spider Pig) don't rise.

I have to drink or I'll die.

Guns are important, and as a liberal you might disagree, but I think every able bodied American should own one (or more). However, once a person has his basic defensive needs covered ... its time to consider "everything else".

Prepping is about MUCH more than firearms/ammo alone. You need to cover the basics of water, fire, shelter, first-aid, and food first. Depending on where you live, firearms can provide food and protection if/when needed.

I remember Jeff Randall posting something a few years ago about talking with people with the latest/greatest AR and 10k in ammo and he would ask if they had any type of water stored or a filter system and be told "no". You could tell he was just shaking his head.

Rule of 3's baby!

That all being said, water is my weak point too and I need a couple more 5 gallon containers.

Rich,

You might consider building a "Mobile rain water collection system". Basically a system that you build, dissemble and store in the garage until a "rainy day" (pun intended).

They're simple to construct and can even have filtration built in.

YUP, I remember that my Grandma and Grandpa had a "Cistern" at their house. Rainwater ran off the "Tin" roof and into the cistern. No one back then of course thought anything about filtering their water. Oh wait, it DID have several layers of screen to filter out the big stuff and the bugs. Great tasting water too.

A cheap filter can be built out of three (food grade) 5 gallon buckets, 53 gravel, sterilized "play ground" sand, and charcoal you make yourself.

The water will taste as sweet and clean as any you've tasted.

It will NOT "purify" the water though.

Purification typically requires chemicals or UV.

Gary, what do you mean by "53 gravel"?

While getting our meds at Wally world today I picked up a couple things.

I got a box of Wetfire tinder tabs and a Sawyer mini filter. Been wanting both of them for some time now just hadn't seen them there before.

I remember back in 1986, Pauline and I where coming back from a family reunion that her aunt had put on in Winnipeg
Dugouts are a fairly common water source in the prairies
We stopped at this restaurant in the middle of nowhere Saskatchewan
I ordered soup and when I took my first taste
All that came to my mind was mouldy duck feet

That water needed to go through some charcoal

I have two portable water filters
My lifestraw and and older model Pur backpackers filter

I have a underground river running under my bug out area so water is no issue. (yes i have a hand pump) It also has 2 rivers running on 2 edges of the property if push comes to shove.

as for food I have a fully stocked pantry with enough long term foods for a couple of years and a garden to grow more plus wild critters and a beef farm next door that I could acquire a cow or two. (owners pay farm hands to run it and live 100 miles away)

No back to ammo and firearms LOL

I am really contemplating getting one of these
http://www.henryrifles.com/rifles/mares-leg/
Or
http://www.rossiusa.com/product-list.cfm?category=17

We can't carry a pistol up here in the woods but unlike the USA, these are classified as rifles up here

However if I get one of them then my new quad rifle will be delayed at least a year

Bathroom renovations and new back patio will come before either

"Fifty threes" is a size of gravel. Your quarry man would understand.

If I'm reading this correctly you wouldn't have to worry about being hungry in my area, because rustlers would be shot on site. People in my small corner of the world work REALLY hard at carving out an existence on the land and don't take lightly even the mention of this sort of thing.

A couple of farmers were talking about this very topic at the Farmer's Market this morning.

One old timer was complaining about how "super market shoppers" think the countryside is the "land of milk and honey" and available for "pickin" when times are lean. He added "they sleep in, work in AC, and buy imported food at a store owned by someone who lives a 100 miles away but think they can just socialize our farms because they're too lazy to work sun up till sun down in the rain, snow, sleet and blazing sun and too stupid to grow their own".

We heard him say (as we were leaving) ...

"I'll shot the first sum $&@^% I find trying to steal from my land - and leave lie as a warnin' to everyone else".

I 100% agree with him.

We work ourselves to the point of collapse daily just to see the weather, or insects, or predators eat our food down to the ground . It's a constant battle.

We've poured all of our money into trying to start a farm and it is an ongoing challenge to pay for "everything else".

We get ridiculed by our urbanite relatives that think wearing flip flops and paying $5 for a beer in their local bar is how "civilized" people live (will eating GMO GARBAGE).

No, I wouldn't ask those farm hands for a steer and I surely would not try to steal one if I were you.

Sorry for obvious typos - no Internet (or cable or gas or domestic water or land line phone) are just a few of the luxuries we give up to live on a farm. As such, I have to use my iPhone to post (when the service is working).

I cringe every time someone says "if the ' feces impacts the oscillating blades' I'm coming to your farm! You have plenty of food! "

This is usually while drinking a coke and eating potato chips.

My response is always the same: " I'll teach you how to be a self sufficient homesteader but if you chose to ignore the offer and continue relying on taxpayer subsidized GMO and imported food you will N O T like the reception you'd receive if you show up on my door step after our failing agricultural and distribution system fails".

I've said it many times here...

My family are not preppers not do we associate with them. We are, however, green organic local food advocates who have hyper educated ourselves on the US agricultural system.

Did you know ...

While many countries are moving to ban GMO food we are still subsidizing it and blocking local efforts to require it to be labeled. By the way, CHINA is even banning GMO!!!

How many miles your food travels before it gets to your plate? We've read it's between 1800 and 2000 for most produce now.

That pesticides, herbicides, and petrochemical fertilizers build up in the soil, erode into the water table / streams / rivers and ARE CONSUMED BY HUMANS? If a bug can't eat it and survive ...

Think about how fragile our OTR trucking system is. We no longer rely on rail so we are dependent on semi deliveries.

Grocery stores are now "lean delivery" stores without a back of house. They have on average 36 hours worth of food.

Imports are dependent on fossil fuels, computerized scheduling and so forth .

This all seems radically foreign from the food production and distribution model of just 75 years ago.

Food is the future.

To my mind, taking care of your own basic needs: food, water, sanitation, and defense are not "survival topics". It's the simple way of life all right mined people should be embarked upon.

If you're living like it was 1800 who cares what some politician says or does? Who cares if the heathens are eating corn that drenched in Round Up? What difference does it make if the stock market crashes or the International Bankster controlled and PRIVATELY OWNED Fed Reserve changes interest rates?

The only solution is nullification. You thrive by making "them" irrelevant in your life.

If you think stockpiling food, ammo and water is going to keep you alive them you've deluded yourself into a Hollywood inspired , mass media contrived fantasy.

If you manage to store 7 years of food ...what happens if your per calamity lasts eight years or your storage is raided / damaged / whatever?

The only real (and I say this with love - not hate) solution is to stop being "stockpile preppers" and start being homesteaders.

I once heard "free your mind and your butt will follow". This is especially true for those that have been given the discernment to understand they are responsible for their own preservation.

Taking the next step and realizing that stockpiling is just another form of controlled consumerism - free your mind to the possibility of stripping them of their power of fear over you by taking control of your food , water and defense.

"Roll your own".

Start out by soul searching - do you really have what it takes to handle the responsibility of being truly free?

True freedom is what I'm suggesting.

Freedom from:
- political influence
- food dependence
- financial dependence

It is possible.

I've learned to be 100% non-political. We've downshifted (google it) to the point of tearing paper napkins in half. We're learning to fill in the third and final piece of the puzzle : filing our stomachs. Once we get good at that - why would we care if the zombies rise and cause an economic crash that triggers an EMP strike that fries every semi in America?

I'm coining a term right now. You heard it here first

Common Sense Nullifier

I'm a CSN.

Pun intended.

(Meaning what I'm suggesting goes against what society has trained you to do / believe).

I'm stepping off my soap box.

Next....

You missed the part where they are paying farm hands to run the place while they live a hundred miles away. There will be nobody to feed and water them let alone shoot me. They use money to pay someone to work themselves to the bone to raise there cows for them while they continue to make money off of all the other investments they have.

Would I steal from a small farmer feeding his family? No. But will I take a cow that will otherwise starve or fall victim to predators H*ll F@ck yeah I will. I will not feel bad about it.

You missed the bulk of my post and focused on a perceived negative aspect. I do it as well sometimes, I would have you reread my post and see that I am self sufficient and have more than enough food stuffs to last.

When they come and procure your crops then it most definitely matters. You will not be able to just live in your cocoon and be left alone.

I have enough components to make more rounds than anyone would ever need in a self reliance situation but if the poo doesn't hit the fan I have plenty to enjoy recreational shooting. The same can be said about my food supply I have a garden that produces enough food for my family and then some again just in case. I guess if push comes to shove I could become a vegan but I have a large network of people who produce meat and cheese products that I shouldn't have to. I grew up and live in the real country I know how to survive on little to nothing h*ll we didn't even have running water until I was in my teens. You are raising valid points but are limiting yourself to much by trying to totally remove yourself from the "grid" use it while it is here and prepare for when it isn't. Trust me as someone who has come from off of it there is no reason not to use every thing available while it is here. (yes I know GMO=bad and growth hormones ECT..... but there are easy ways around these issues right now use them.)

The most common characteristic among people identifying themselves as preppers is pessimism . I say this from experience. I spent the early 1980s Iiving in a survivalist home.

A prepper stockpiles in preparation for a calamity to befall him or even all of mankind. It seems like preppers almost WISH something would happen to justify their views. I think this is a nearly imperceptible impulse, but present nonetheless.

Like your comment about them taking our crops and us living in a cacoon...

First, at least we experienced true freedom leading up to "it".
Second, we would have learned enough by then to just start over . Try that if "they" take your pile of can goods.

Third, and this is the important distinction ... note the optimistism in my second point above. Optimism is the big difference between "preppers" and "free homesteaders". Homesteaders just see difficulty and adversity as a daily chore to be conquered. I'm suggesting that sitting around and waiting for something to happen is not a good plan. Adopt a can-do attitude and start living like it already did.

I really admire people who has mastered the art of cheese making. It's the blend of science and artistry. I'll be an acomplished cheese maker some day.

Greaser,
I'm not arguing, belittling or intentionally disrespecting stockpile preppers. I was one for decades.

I see good people here that I care about and who love their families. I'm just trying to passionately offer the "bigger picture" or the "red pill" (Matrix reference - can't remember which color exposed truth).

We grew past were I perceive many here are, and found how amazing it is. It's a hard life, but unbelievably rewarding and fulfilling. I broke the mold and want others to see the other side thru my eyes.

To your point about using what's available on the grid...

I differ in that I see using the grid as dependence on it.

Here is an example of why...

Our home's AC died last July. We allowed ourselves to suffer thru the hot and humid months of August and September. It averaged 86F at 10 pm in our bedroom. We just had the AC repaired this week. Why? Because we couldn't function last summer. We had food spoiling, etc.

Why is this relevant?

1) I didn't have central heat or air until I was 10 years old. Before I had it I didn't know that you could sleep without waking up in a pool of sweat.

2) We learned new methods of cooling the house, keeping food safe, and different sanitation needs from our experience.

3) My wife is LIVID about wanting to use the Air now. She is just plain mad that she is controlled by this "creature comfort".

The moral of the story is...
Grid Use = Grid Dependency

You said you had a primitive youth without running water. Turn off the water to your house for seven days and write back.

I have 3% power left so I'm signing off for the night. The sun will be up in about 5 hours so it's back to the farm.

Good night Greaser.
Pleasure having this discourse with you .

I think that Greaser AND Gary are both ready to "Fend for themselves", and to help others to become somewhat or more self reliant. I hope that none of this ever happens, at least in our lifetimes. But the odds are stacked (and rising) against us.

Good discussion guys.

Got some advice about how to set up a "Day Hike" small pack from a Dog that is a Plethora of information. I like using big words I have to look up. Makes Y'all think I'm not a Redneck.

I fall into the pessimistic attitude often I try not to but it is hard when I see what I have spent my life fighting for being given away by people who have no idea the price it came at.



I still try and go out and enjoy life as much as I can, I am not sitting at home running air raid drills all day LOL (saw it on that prepper show) luckily what I enjoy is the outdoors mechanics and guns so it leads me to survival type activities anyways.

We do have a couple acre garden half of that being corn but I also like to have a stockpile of food just in case something happens to this years harvest.


I agree with the optimism thing and I am working on it.( I feel this is the hardest part.)

LOL from what they tell me its not the making that is hard its the making it good.

I understand I just didn't want anyone thinking I am going to be stealing someones only means of survival. Sorry I got a little heated I have worked and lived in professions and places where it is a necessary evil to react hard and fast. Like I have said in the past I appreciate your post (hell pretty much everyone's posts on here except for maybe Skunk he is just a post hog. LOL just kidding) so no hard feelings on my end. I feel like I took the pill and it woke me up but I am still stuck here sometimes.

POST HOG! Does that mean I'm next up for the slaughter? Gosh I hope not, but I do like pork though.

I a lot of times actually do hesitate to post during some discussions. About all the "Real world experience) I get these days is in the kitchen and when I have to clear the roadway at Mingo, or do some "Yard work" around the house, unlike you guys that get to go play out there. So I try and base my posts (some of them) on my experience running around in the woods as a kid.

I can understand that but you also have the knowledge to get by without when and if it comes to that, I see that as using the grid. I would guess 85 to 90 percent (lower on this board) of the people out there have no idea how anything works or comes to be with out the grid that is what I see as dependent on the grid. Am I spoiled Heck yeah I am but I went back to primitive in 04-05 while I was in Afghanistan. I spent the majority of my deployment outside the wire as it were and found that I can still do pretty well without. Heck I went 90 days with out so much as a stream to rinse off in, baby wipes is all I will say on that one, we were in the mountains building a FOB and had to build the showers from scratch. (water catchment, diesel water heater(could easily be wood), gravity feed at first then with a generator (again could be solar or wood)) I could have built it quicker be when you only get one bird every two weeks until the pass isn't snowed in it takes a while to get the parts you need. LOL

We had MREs but no heaters for them so we literally heated them over and old school camp fire.(what I wouldn't have done for a nice venison steak) It was like a long term camping trip where you had rockets mortars coming at you on a daily basis. lol

I have set aside many things needed for off the grid living if it comes or I can just build a really nice off the grid cabin on the lake or something if we get lucky.

Same to you Arch, I feel it is always good to see things from another perception it can really help ground you.

That's ok Skunk from some of your posts it seems like you have at least the basics down and living in that nice temperate area you do will make life a lot easier.

LOL I had to throw that in.

Did some more thinking. I COULD always take off the two GI canteens from the web belt and just downsize to one. Then I would be able to build up a belt order (Yeah I know, I just haven't done it).

1. The 1qt canteen
2. 5 inch knife of some kind, S5 or Wardog probably, although the Mud Mutt is DEFINITELY in the running.
2. About 25 ft of Para cord.
3. Small FAK
4. Sturdy folder
5. Small "Survival Straw"
6. Small pack of wet wipes.
7. And MAYBE one of those cheap plastic ponchos.
8. Oh yeah and a couple "Protein bars".

Then to see how much "Space" all this stuff takes up. Although the FAK, survival straw and folder and maybe even the para cord could all fit into one manageable size pouch.

PAYDIRT! I found a bag that will work out VERY well to house my Sawyer Mini filter and associated gadgets. PLUS I found some stuff I had forgotten I had.

1. My original Leatherman from the Air Force days.
2. 300 ft spool of "trot" line
3. Generator powered led light.
4. Emergency candles in a can.
5. A nice little small (1 inch blade "SNITCH" fixed blade) knife by Randall King Knives.
6. P38 can opener.
7. Spool of steel "Jewlery" wire.
8. Box of 20 Hand sanitizer wipes.
9. Box of assorted band aids/gauze pads and a tube of antibiotic ointment.

Randy,
Try to find a P51 can opener to replace your P38. Its larger, and much easier to use.

Arch, I bought 6 of them about 3 months ago!

+1 on this

here is what I did today I found these at walgreens for 3.50 so I bought 3 of them.

Half Liter bottles. Not bad. I carry one about that size to work every night filled with tea or Early Sunrise orange flavored drink.

Oh and I keep a 1 litre bottle of water in the truck all the time.

I figured they would work for heating up a stew or soup as well.

That's a nice score. I carry a 32oz Nalgene around with me everywhere I go. I use to have a "pea green" Nalgene but people kept telling me it looked like a specimen bottle so I switched to red.

I've not tried many of the stainless bottles, but know they have a strong following.

Personally I prefer stainless. I have dropped mine so many times and it has only got one small dent in in it. Plastic, to me, just seems to fragile specially after experiencing SS. As the Commercial said, "Try it you'll like it".

I have several of both, but prefer the stainless myself.

Yeah but we all know we are addicted to steel here...

You have a good point there!

I like to at least have one stainless with me in case I have to heat water or food, those plastic ones just don't hold up to an open flame for some reason. lol

I think the new plastics are just as durable as the stainless ones now though.

I stopped in and started asking about an NFA trust.
Looking to pursue that.

Good Plan GD

Looks like the lawyer that vandalia range and armory recommends has two trust packages $400 & $600. One is a one shot deal and the other holds him on retainer and allows for furthers assistance. That have a deal that you can shoot your supressor at their indoor range while the stamp clears so you can taste the rainbow so to speak. I'm thinking hard. Three supressors would work. Remfire center fire pistol and a center fire rifle. Silencer co is who they recommend for the modular supressors then aac and last surefire

I sure wish the nanny state koolaid drinkers in the cities didn't run the state.

Can't have those up there?

Nope God forbid we protect our hearing.

I know. That's all I want them for. And so I'm not annoying the neighbors.

Just recieved and I'm working my way through the magpul dynamic handgun DVD series..... Tons of good info and training pointers. While no substitute for professional training I'd highly recommend it.

I just got some potassium permanganate and glycerin

Nice it does more than start fires also.

http://www.intherabbithole.com/potassium-permanganate-the-most-useful-survival-chemical/

Nice. PLUS I really liked the Berky filter reviews.

Way to go D/T!

I bought my wife a bigger pack so she can carry more stuff.

Well while we were at Wally World I took a side trip down the sporting goods section. I'm glad I did. I got an Ozark Trail head lamp. As it sets in the "Housing" it looks like a small aluminum (with tailcap click switch) flashlight taking 3aaa batteries. BUT you can rotate the head and it turns into a conventional straight flashlight! PLUS the "Housing" tilts forward allowing you to adjust where the beam goes to an extent.

It has 3 modes.
1. High-220 lumens for 1 hour
2. Low -22 lumens for 10 hours
3. SOS-high mode

I already have the conventional 2D cell with 500 and 100 lumen modes and actually like it(for a more floody beam without any dark spots).

If you're looking for a pretty good set of lights, check out the Ozark Trail flashlights, I'm well pleased, plus they have a pretty good run time and so far the 2D has been pretty robust. I would actually take it over the Maglight I have which I think is pretty anemic.

Here a while back, maybe a month before I got the 2D Ozark Trail light I thought I needed a good rugged led flashlight so I got a 2D led Maglight. Boy was that a mistake. Don't get me wrong, they're still good lights, and it will throw a spot a fair ways, but after checking "the specs", it's only listed at 184 lumens! WAY less than the Ozark Trail, and in a side by side test it shows. Oh well, live and learn. I seldom use the Maglight unless I need to look a ways off, which isn't very often.

Yes maglight has really fallen off in the last 5 years or so, I like Fenix lights they are a bit more but I have been using one daily for almost 2 years now and it still works fantastic.

http://www.amazon.com/FENIX-TK15S2B...15963&sr=8-1&keywords=fenix+tk15

That is the one I use.

http://www.amazon.com/Fenix-Flashli...p;ie=UTF8&qid=1402116126&sr=1-21

Incase you really want to light up the night. lol

I have been edc a Jetstream 1xaa for about 3 years now and it has served me well. 4 modes:

1. High
2. Medium
3. Low
4. Strobe (for signaling if needed)

I find myself using it for something almost every single day.

I love the low settings for count, more than enough light to see the inmates clearly but not enough to jar them awake so I have to deal with them any more than necessary. lol
Medium and High come in handy when doing area searches or for searching tight corners ect. I don't think I could go back to a just on off light anymore.
Although I do keep one of the Ozark trails in my glove box of my truck and it has served me well.

My new ozark trail headlamp has high and low, 220 and 22 lumen. PLUS it has S-0-S mode. It's pretty nice I think, and I like the swivel head that lets it go from an angle light (the headlamp part) or a conventional straight tube light.

My new ozark trail headlamp has high and low, 220 and 22 lumen. PLUS it has S-0-S mode. It's pretty nice I think, and I like the swivel head that lets it go from an angle light (the headlamp part) or a conventional straight tube light. It's supposed to burn for an hour on high and 10 on low. SOS is high power.

Just got back from getting a little 9mm, 22lr and 7.62x39...and most importantly, a little anchor for the boat. Bass..look out!

Man, you're spending some bucks there Rich. Oh and WE appreciate the support!

My local Cabelas should name a room after me for all the $$ I spend there.

Yup, they could call it the "Liberator Room"!

Either that or the "Conservative Corner".

There ya go!

Still trying to get use to armed liberals.

JUST KIDDING!

My wife's middle sister is an EXTREME liberal, and carries a handgun everyday.

Her life partner is an ex-police hostage negotiator and carries daily too.

Like I've posted before, liberal left is arming to get ya! We bring our 1 payer healthcare and higher minimum wage. Fear me!!!! lol

Actually, I know too many murderers, pedophiles, rapists, gang members and violent people not to arm up.

Rich, thank you for being such a good sport about all the kidding around. It's good that we can "Mess" with each other and respect each others views without going all rabid on either side. And Yeah, YOU meet/know how the REAL world is whereas most folks only read about it.

Well I ordered my Maxped condor II pack, PLUS I found this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dlg7Rd8sHL0

I watched this. Interesting alternative power sources, but still tied to (Mostly) fossil fuels.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=shkFDPI6kGE

Thanks Randy, I appreciate that and I appreciate you!

Been a rocky real world 24 hours and I appreciate the Yard mightily.

Any man who takes his kids fishing can't be ALL bad!

AMEN to that Tom!

Found out how to make a stove out of a mailbox.

http://tinyhouselistings.com/build-a-do-it-yourself-tiny-woodstove/

Cool. One of the guys I work with swears by his ember lite stove

You know you’re spending too much at Cabelas when they start sending you hardback catalogs instead of the flimsy paper advertisements.

I picked up some real hunting/fishing boots. I had been using some old "hiking" boots I had from years ago that were more looks than anything else. They actually had good traction and materials held up for 15 years or so after a bit of glue. Unfortunately they were not water proof and one of the places I hunt holds water pretty good.

Yep you hit the cabelas big league lol

I was issued about 15K worth of deployment gear. I have no idea how accurate that number is. Just taking a stab in the dark.

Full set of IMTV (improved modular tactical vest) and yes it is much improved. With the latest X-SAPI plates.

A complete set of FILBE (Family of Improved Load Bearing Equipment) and this is definitely an improvement from my last issue, especially the main pack.

An M50 Gas mask which is also an improvement (at least comfort wise) over the M40.

Many other odds and ends, most notable ... a poncho liner with a zipper!!! I love my poncho liner even more now that it can act as a summer time sleeping bag. I love my woobie!

Last week I received my M4 with ACOG. I am anxious to fire it. Last time I was issued a weapon, I was of lower rank and got the M16A4. So, this will be the first time firing this service rifle.

And I got this AN/PEQ-2 Target Pointer/Illuminator/Aiming Light thingy. Yeah, I'm pretty much Rambo now. I'm tacti-cool.

Pics or it didn't happen hahaha

it's all standard issue, my friend.

Just don't point it at any aircraft!

unless it's the enemy piloting it.

In that case, LIGHT 'EM UP!

IMTV, X-SAPI, FILBE, the military continues with the proud tradition of acronyms.


Back when I was doing some satellite communication development while in the Air Force I proposed my own acronym for a system I developed. The "PAIDS MO-FO". The "P" was the first initial on my last name; the "A" was for "Automated"; the "ID" was for "Identification"; and the "S" was for "System". "MO" was for "Mobile Operations" and "FO" was for "Fixed Operations".

The loved and adopted the concept but firmly rejected the acronym.

Hehe, Mastiff, when I was stationed in Omaha (offutt) I wrote a manual that was adopted by SAC. The last three words were in latin and said: Illigitimi Non carbarundum (or something like that) I was told it basically means Don't let the Bas****s get you down. It made it into the manual.

I just returned from the grocery store.

Skunk, I also did some time at Offutt. I never quite learned to properly appreciate the sweet perfume of the rendering plant when the wind was just right.

Were you there when the Brits pulled their Vulcans back home for the junk yard? Saw the bomber they left for the museum do an inverted flyby over the runway, pretty impressive.

I ogled firearms I can't yet afford...

Mastiff, I was at Offutt from April '82 until Aug or Sept of '87. I was in charge of the airshow ground portion one year when the B-1's came in (first ones off the line) and all broke! Our Shop chief (I worked Airfield management/Base Ops) was so mad at me. He had just moved down from Sac HQ and I had done this at other bases so our OIC put me in charge of ground operations and told the Chief to follow me around. Did I mention I was a Ssgt waiting to put on Tsgt and he was a Cmsgt?

Oh and I don't remember about the Vulcan(S), but I WAS there then the Commanding General of SAC ORDERED a KC135 to go inverted and the entire crew was killed because of his stupidity (he was told it couldn't be done for an airshow). This was of course a "Practice session", not in the actual show.

I watched some CQB videos and talked about CQB with a couple deputies.

I stocked up on some canned goods at the dollar general.

Started thinking about my Day Hiker/Get Home Bag for the winter. Need to get a couple more pair of wool socks and some other Cold weather Preps for the bag.

I really need to put my entrenching shovel/pic back in the truck.

It's been a while, I hit the range and got some quality time with a rifle and a pistol.

I built some gear and saved a healthy amount of cash.

Something to think about

http://www.askaprepper.com/7-actions-to-take-immediately-following-an-emp-strike/

Well, bought another 100 rounds of 9mm ammo, ball for practice/sighting in. Better than nothing. And Patty had me buy a Protec (?) 30 dollar laser. I told her it probably wouldn't last very long and she said that's OK, it will show me if I really want a laser or not.

Battery charger, 14500 rechargeable batteries, AA rechargeables, a dozen CR123s and some rechargeable CR123s.

Been wanting one of these for some time and today was the day. $369.00 counting my LE discount, and yes it is a 9mm. But mine has the activation pad on the front strap.

My wife was looking out for me today, sort of. She was at Academy and they had some bulk 22lr ammo. She called me to see if I wanted some but I was outside mowing, so she DIDN'T buy any. She knows better now.

Not really preparing. More like preparing to prepare.

Bought two of these, 14.95$ each, to put in my bugout bag. They collapse down to a hair taller than a can of dip, and hold 24 oz IIRC. Perfect to save space and weight when you don't have water, but blow out to keep you hydrated when you locate a source of water in an austere environ.

Pretty neat set of products. Never heard of them, but found them here:

http://hydrapak.com/

Thanks for posting this ECF

I am going to have to pick up a couple. good find.

Found this site with some really good articles.

http://www.askaprepper.com/how-to-make-powdered-eggs/

I started by build of a portable solar power bank. I just received the R-13 Powerfilm panels and decided I need a place to store energy. I'm using a small Pelican case for housing and a lithium iron phosphate battery for longevity of battery life. LiFePo4 batteries have thousands of deep cycles compared to hundreds of other batteries.

Read this article, interesting.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/17-old-invented-ingenious-way-132200709.html#

Snagged 2 sure fire g2x pro light for $35 each and 3 6px defenders for $45 each. Lucked into 2 525 boxes of Remington 22lr hollow points

Must be nice to be rich!

Hahaha about that... I'm broke now

Checked out this

http://coconinoprepper.com/15-awesome-rain-water-collection-ideas/

Ordered $4 fave value of junk silver. Also picked up a Rayovac "Indestructible" lantern--500 lumen output and the most compact I've seen yet. I love the Rayovac Indestructible series--low-cost and high-value. Sorta like the Scrap Yard of the flashlight world

I ordered 50 oz of silver 3 weeks ago but it is not due in until early sept.

We picked vegetables in our garden.

Oh and I got my Bow ready for deer season as it going to be another slim on thank to the DNR this year. One buck or if you are one of the lucky 350 people in the county one doe.

Got light mounts for my surefire lights I snagged and got them on my rifles.

Nice GD what kind of mounts did you go with?

Did some reading and posted this up for the dogs.

https://www.survivalkit.com/blog/vertical-gardening-in-rain-gutters-so-you-can-grow-food-anywhere/


https://www.survivalkit.com/blog/biodiesel-learn-how-to-make-your-own-biodiesel-from-vegetable-oil/


https://www.survivalkit.com/blog/make-your-own-beef-jerky-how-to-make-beef-jerky-in-the-oven/

I bought an Emberlit Stainless Steel stove, a Live Fire Original Emergency Fire Starter and a sleeve for the stove.

Links or Pics?

Links:

http://emberlit.com/emberlit-original-stainless-lightweight-backpacking-stove

https://www.livefiregear.com

I made 19lbs of venison summer sausage. MMMM MMMM good

Pics:

Nice pics Ray!

Ummmmm roasted Feline. Tasty.

Better than roasted skunk.

Yeah, roasted skunk STINKS!

Sunday I bought a brand new pair of Danner Combat Hikers. $65.00. Good buy or did I get took?

I believe that's pretty good for Danners.

Just received a king sized (118"x92") Alpaca wool blanket and 3 Alpaca wool beanie hats from alpaca4less.com. Ordered them three days ago, and am EXTREMELY happy with all of the products.


***just thought I'd add that none of these items have that wool itch, the fabric is more like fine merino wool.

Nice! Alpaca is great stuff.

I picked up a "super cooler". BP had a clearance on the Coleman ESKY coolers. So I "saved" about $120 off of what they normally sell for. That's what I tell myself...

http://www.eskyseriescoolers.com/pr...2623?contextCategory=300000#.Viaxqvko7JE

Coleman does make a 5-day Xtreme cooler that is plenty of cooler for almost anyone and they actually do what it says. I have a few of them and I have seen that you can still have ice in them 4-5 days later. They also run about $25 at Wally for the same size cooler that I just bought. Much lighter and portable... I use mines on a regular basis and I highly recommend them.

I got the Esky in hopes that it will server as a portable deep fridge for my hunting trips. These coolers offer 7 days of ice rention and an antimicrobial lining for the blood and guts side of things. The places I hunt are hours away from home and I may be gone for 4 days or so sometimes. The people I will usually encounter probably won't have room or desire for a entire deer carcass to go in their refrigerator or freezer. If I should get a deer the first morning into a 4 day trip I want to know it can reliably be kept cold for a few days. I also factored in that when I do finally get home there is still the chance that it may take me a day or two before I'm able to get the meat freezer ready. So the idea of 6 or 7 days from the time of the kill to the freezer is not really a stretch.

So if anybody ever wonders why spend $300-$400 on a cooler, that would be at least one perspective on it. I consider this type of purchase as an invest for folks who intend to be life-long or "serious" sportsmen. It may seem like overkill but for some fokks it's the right tool for the job.

Good coolers come in handy for all sort of at home prep scenarios. We use are quite a bit and you are looking at about a dollar a day for the ice to keep stuff cold in a good cooler.

I also use a cooler to cook "sous vide".