Got into this a little....6.8 SPC or 300 BLK?

Deer at night, max of 250~300 yards (longer if I can find a gun-mountable light that will illuminate out to 500+ yards <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> ), scoped, no suppressor (as fun as that would be, can't see paying the $1k+ for that at this point). Pluses/minuses of either?

Black gun bug is biting <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />

5.56...it has everything you need. Take some Barnes TSX with you. I haven't met a deer yet that scoffs at it <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

Re: lights...I have had success with these pig hunting. Deer do not see it. I don't shoot deer at night, illegal in TX...but the setup works. http://www.feederlights.com/ It's the cheap-man's night vision <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />

If you're making us choose...I choose 300 BLK. Simply because you WILL end up with a suppressor at some point. It's the evolution of BRD. Enjoy your knives while they lasted, lol <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />

Re: feederlights...I use the Sendero RPG 1000L. I can take pics of the setup if you like. I used an ammo can from Cabelas, and installed a switch, etc. Carry it all together, setup on the stand, and turn'em on <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />

Have to agree with Ish. How could you argue with a face like that anyway.

What he said.

I say .300BLK since its available in a wide range of bullet weights.

7.62x40 will be my next upper.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/7.62%C3%9740mm_Wilson_Tactical

Of the two you mentioned, 6.8 or .300 BO I would go with the 6.8. I know there is a lot of discussion on the differences between the two but when it comes to down range the 6.8 has the advantage and since you don't plan on a suppressor why not get the down range advantageous. On top of that, do you reload, if so the 6.8 would be a loaders dream.

Saying that, if in the 1960's the US gov't would have used their head the M14 would have been made in .243 Win, the FAL in .243 Win, or even the AR10 in .243 Win. The best of balance, ballistics, and recoil. But what could have been is not.

The way I look at it is if I can't do it with a 5.56mm then I move up to a 7.62x51mm and take care of it. If you need bigger than that, well get a lever gun in .45-70!

Amen.

Well I have a 5.56 but can't legally hunt deer with it. I have a couple of good 45-0 levers. I'm thinking 308 might be the way to go instead.

Now if they hold off on banning everything until I can get some funds.....

And yes, 243 WOULD have been a better way to go. Not sure WHAT they were all thinking <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />

Forgot about the hunting issue with 5.56....that sucks!

Maybe a solid .308 bolt? Add in a DBM system that accepts AI/AW mags, bed the action....or have a smith blueprint / bed it.....upgrade to a good stock, and put your money into optics? Could all be done in series...no need for all of it at once. Could be a fun project <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />

well....I COULD get a Choate stock for my Savage 30-06 or Stevens 25-06 and get an Anschutz rail adapter .

I wonder if it would fit on the Boyd's thumbhole stock I already have for the Savage though...

That would certainly be cheaper than ANY of the above options <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />

How hard would it be to throw a picatinny rail on the bottom of that Boyd's stock? Anyone have any good ideas?

They make one made to attach to wood stocks so as long as there is a good mounting surface you should be good.

I'm listening greaser....who makes it and what does it run?

And how can I get one? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />

DT...why do you need a Picatinny on the bottom? Do you have a QD bipod?

Depending on your sling type...

For traditional sling: http://www.seekinsprecision.com/sling-rail-system-2.html

For slings with QD flush cups (this is the one I have): http://www.accu-shot.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=23&products_id=64

Those both come in spacing for either 3.5" or 4" CTC b/t the studs. If your stock doesn't have any...just get the shortest one possible, and go to your hadrware store and swap the hardware for wood screws. This is what I did for my .22lr...works perfect.

Sounds to me like you're in need of a SHORT action caliber <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />

I've got a .243 for my youngest <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

Looking to install a light under the barrel. I'm a little leery of installing on top of the scope. Open to suggestions though <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />

You wanna talk looooooong action? I inherited a 300 H&H. That is one looooooooooooong case <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />

I want a 375 H&H so bad, got the dies already but that is not going to happen for a while.

On the rail on the bottom, I cannot see any reason for adding one for me here in OK because we can't hunt at night, and for a bipod I shoot off the pack.

I had a Harris bipod on my model 70
Lasted less then one season before I took it off
Just didn't like it
My brother got his grizzly with a 375 h&h this year, it really hits with authority

That's why I like the 45-70. Talk about authority! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

http://www.amazon.com/UTG-MNTP503-Tactical-Picatinny-Weaver/dp/B002GNYCNU

These should work for what you need DT.

I would love to have a 375 H&H. Ammo is insane and i have no idea what i would use it for. But I want one in a bad way.

You'd use it for the same the the rest of us would. Charging rhinos. They are more and more prevalent these days...

Well, now. Don't I feel silly? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />

Still doesn't stop me from WANTING a .308 <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />

Hey glad to help <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

and get a 308 one of the best rifle cals out there IMHO

I still want the .375 H&H. I have the .45-70 gov't so why not? Never know when a man eating worm may come out of the ground at you!!!

Glad I'm not the only one obsessing about that threat. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

You never listen but go with what Ish is saying or go with the Ruger GUn Sight Scout. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

Not sure how I missed this post. Looks good. Thanks Ish!

Thanks to this post, I started looking at "upgraded" AR15 cartridges. And now I have a 6.8 spc.

I am going to go shoot it this weekend. Actually, it will be my son who will use it for big game this fall. He's nine, so the mild recoil and adjusting stock will be perfect.

I love high velocity rounds, (.204 ruger, 460 S&W (fast for revolvers), .257 weatherby magnum, .243 win) so, the 6.8 is quite the departure from that. But, good placement on medium size game at moderate distances with the right bullet selection, the .270 "lite" will do it's job. And, in a handy 18" fluted barrel, it's quick and light compared to a standard cartridge in the AR10 platform.

I actually think that the 300 blackout round will become more popular, but I like the slight, ballistic advantage of the 6.8 spc II

Congrats! Let us know how it works for you!

The 6.8 shot well. The first group (3 shots at 100 yds off a backpack) was well under an inch. Most of my three shot groups were right at 1 inch. I shot a quick 6 shot group (I meant to keep it at 5, but lost count) right at 1.5 inches. Recoil was fine for me, but definately more than a .556. My son could tell the difference right off the bat.

For what it will be used for, (medium size game at moderate distances) it will do just fine for my boy.

I was using the 110 bthp. The maximum point blank range is right at 250 yards with the 110's. It still delivers 1000 lbs of energy at that range. I will probably move up to the Hornady 120gr SSTs for the better bullet construction. I hope the 1/11 twist will keep good groups with those bullets.

For me, this rifle is going to be used primarily as a hunting rifle. The light recoiling, adjustable stock, semi-auto loading, accurate, reliable and "handy" nature of this platform in a big game capable cartridge make it a good overall fit.

Maybe that's route I'll go after the sequestration nonsense passes.

The hornady 120 sst's group well at one hundred as well (.75 inches off a backpack). I will try some 200 and 300 yard groups next. Since that is probably the max this round can take big game, I won't test it too much further than that.