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New Toy...FN Five-Seven 5.7x28mm

Posted By: Devil 505

New Toy...FN Five-Seven 5.7x28mm - 11/15/09 07:46 AM

FN Five Seven...20 round capacity with standard magazines (30 round mags available). Adjustable sights with tritium inserts. Polymer construction in pistol and magazines. They even include the test casing and a sign off sheet from the test...hand signed and dated by the individual responsible for test firing the weapon. Mine was test fired on 06/18/2009. Overall, the fit and finish are excellent.

Surefire X300 weapon light.

Ammunition is 40 grain Hornady V-Max that is proprietary FN and manufactured by Fiocchi and loaded in the U.S. The price is roughly $31.00/box/50 or .64/round).

I ran 50 rounds through it tonight without any problems. Out of the box, it shot low and to the left but was adusted to the point of center ring at 15 yards consistently. The recoil to me was similar to that of a .38 and it was very easy to keep on target in follow up shots.

It looks like this would be an excellent zombie defense weapon.


Shown with (Left to Right) 30WCF (Hornady 160gr. FTX), 5.56x45 (Hornady 40 gr. V-Max), 5.7x28 (Hornady 40gr V-Max), .45 Auto, .357, .38
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Magazine release
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Slide release
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Ambidexterous safety
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Size comparison...Springfield Armory 1911. The FN seems to be about half the weight of the .45 when both are unloaded.
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Broken down into components for cleaning. That's all there is...3 groups to clean with no further break down reguired or recommended. No tools needed for disassembly or assembly.
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Posted By: SkunkHunter

Re: New Toy...FN Five-Seven 5.7x28mm - 11/15/09 12:48 PM

Couple questions, am I seeing right and the complete round looks like a RIFLE round? And from the looks of the lug on the bottm, is it a straight blowback? Enquiring minds and all that ya know. Looks like it might be a pretty good gun. (I still like my .45s though) I got a cousin that says I ain't right.
Posted By: Devil 505

Re: New Toy...FN Five-Seven 5.7x28mm - 11/15/09 05:40 PM

SH, you're right, it looks like a rife cartridge. Straight blowback is correct.

The round measures out to .224 cal...roughly the same as .22WMR. If you compare ballistic data, it is most similar in performance to the .22 WMR round.

5.7x28 40 gr. FMJ (According to manufacturer)
MV: 1950 ft/sec
ME: 340 ft/lb

The comparison data below is from the posted information published at www.winchester.com

.17 HMR in Winchester 20 gr. Super-X® JHP
MV: 1830 ft/sec
ME: 149 ft/lb

.22 Magnum in Winchester 40 gr. Super-X JHP
MV: 1910 ft/sec
ME: 324 ft/lb

.38 Special +P in Winchester 125 gr. USA JHP
MV: 945 ft/sec
ME: 248 ft/lb

.357 Magnum in Winchester 110 gr. USA JHP
MV: 1295 ft/sec
ME: 410 ft/lb

9mm in Winchester 115 gr. USA JHP
MV: 1225 ft/sec
ME: 383 ft/lb

.40 S&W in Winchester 180 gr. USA JHP
MV: 1010 ft/set
ME: 408 ft/lb

.44 Magunum in Winchester 210 gr. Super-X Silvertip Hollow Point
MV: 1250 ft/sec
ME: 729 ft/lb

.45 Auto in Winchester 230 gr. USA JHP
MV: 880 ft/sec
ME: 396 ft/lb

.223 Remington in Winchester 45 gr. USA JHP
MV: 3600 ft/sec
ME: 1295 ft/lb

Left to right for comparison: 9x19mm Parabellum, .40S&W, .45ACP, [color:"blue"] FN 5.7x28mm[/color] , 5.56x45mm, .300Winchester Magnum, 2.75 and 3.0 inch 12Gauge

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5.7x28 Dimensions
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Posted By: sportsnut

Re: New Toy...FN Five-Seven 5.7x28mm - 11/15/09 06:52 PM

Nice looking pistols with a bad [censored] round.
Posted By: lazi

Re: New Toy...FN Five-Seven 5.7x28mm - 11/16/09 04:49 AM

Congrats!!! That's a nicee snag! I got one a little over a year ago and I love it. It's a lazer!

You can get 10 round mag extenders and some really nice ammo from a site called Elite Ammunition. I haven't done either of these yet but its high on the list. A ton of info and a nice user group sponsered by eliteammunitons.com is fivesevenforum.com.
Posted By: Devil 505

Re: New Toy...FN Five-Seven 5.7x28mm - 11/16/09 06:41 PM

Mr. Sportsnut, thank you!

Mr. Lazi, thank you for the heads up on Elite Ammunition. I saw yesterday that Sportman's Guide has the FN ammo about $10.00/box cheaper than what it is here in town and, as luck woudl have it, I just got a $10.00 e-coupon...hmmmm. I hope the mailman doesn't have a hernia...I may have to order a few boxes!
Posted By: Horn Dog

Re: New Toy...FN Five-Seven 5.7x28mm - 11/16/09 11:02 PM

If I am not mistaken, that is the type of weapon used in the recent massacre at Ft Hood. Not that the weapon caused the attack, but it has a lot of firepower and good penetration, apparently.
Posted By: SkunkHunter

Re: New Toy...FN Five-Seven 5.7x28mm - 11/16/09 11:43 PM

OK, so it's SORT OF like a short .223? That may not be a very good comparison but my limited brain pan has to grasp at straws where it finds them.
Posted By: tedwca

Re: New Toy...FN Five-Seven 5.7x28mm - 11/17/09 12:41 AM

Quote
If I am not mistaken, that is the type of weapon used in the recent massacre at Ft Hood. Not that the weapon caused the attack, but it has a lot of firepower and good penetration, apparently.

Yes, it is the same weapon. I'm sure it'll be banned in the near future. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" /> I wonder how a Grendel P-30 compares?
Posted By: Horn Dog

Re: New Toy...FN Five-Seven 5.7x28mm - 11/17/09 01:21 AM

I'm sure the usual suspects will blame the whole terrorist shooting incident on guns. It does remind me of a mini assault rifle. Those little bottle neck cartridges look like good varmint rounds. Any actual rifles made in 5.7x28?
Posted By: lazi

Re: New Toy...FN Five-Seven 5.7x28mm - 11/17/09 04:45 AM

Rifles? The PS90 and there is a AR upper to make a AR57.

I've been seeing a lot of posts about the FSN and Ft. Hood but I decided to not mention it unless it came up. It is a lot of firepower in a nice package but if you look at Luby's cafe massacre and the other incidents that have happen in that area of the country then you can probably find more fault water (or something) than guns..

The FSN is a nice gun that shoots a nasty little round. Comparisons of it and the Grendal have been floating around since it was first created. They seem to compare very close on many different points. My interest in the Grendel is due to how fond I am of the FiveSeven. A lot of guys debate stopping power and shot placement but most have never even shot one. Some debate wound channels, over and under penetration, and energy dumping. I think there's some gel shot pictures somewhere out there. They aren't just super impressive (none cut in half or exploded) but I'm comfortable with what I saw and I've been more than comfortable with what I have seen at the range.
Posted By: Devil 505

Re: New Toy...FN Five-Seven 5.7x28mm - 11/17/09 05:34 AM

[color:"blue"]Horn Dog said: "If I am not mistaken, that is the type of weapon used in the recent massacre at Ft Hood. Not that the weapon caused the attack, but it has a lot of firepower and good penetration, apparently." [/color]

Yes, it is Vic.

[color:"blue"]Skunk Hunter said: "OK, so it's SORT OF like a short .223? That may not be a very good comparison but my limited brain pan has to grasp at straws where it finds them."[/color]

Yes, it is Skunk Hunter. I use the same OTIS .223 cleaning kit that I use on my M4 for the 5.7.

[color:"blue"]Ted said: "Yes, it is the same weapon. I'm sure it'll be banned in the near future. I wonder how a Grendel P-30 compares?"[/color]

I've never had the chance to examine or fire a Grendel.

[color:"blue"]Lazi said: "Rifles? The PS90 and there is a AR upper to make a AR57.

I've been seeing a lot of posts about the FSN and Ft. Hood but I decided to not mention it unless it came up. It is a lot of firepower in a nice package but if you look at Luby's cafe massacre and the other incidents that have happen in that area of the country then you can probably find more fault water (or something) than guns..

The FSN is a nice gun that shoots a nasty little round. Comparisons of it and the Grendal have been floating around since it was first created. They seem to compare very close on many different points. My interest in the Grendel is due to how fond I am of the FiveSeven. A lot of guys debate stopping power and shot placement but most have never even shot one. Some debate wound channels, over and under penetration, and energy dumping. I think there's some gel shot pictures somewhere out there. They aren't just super impressive (none cut in half or exploded) but I'm comfortable with what I saw and I've been more than comfortable with what I have seen at the range."[/color]

I looked at the AR57 as well and, as I have a penchant for the odd and unusual, I wanted to get one before they dry up, if, in fact, they do get banned but I have liked the basic premise of the 5.7 since its introduction.

If you remember, this weapon had a bad reputation in the beginning as it was heavily lobbied against by police unions and in 2005, the Five-Seven pistol and 5.7x28mm cartridge were specifically targeted for a U.S. federal ban.

I don't want to get caught up in any rhetorical conversations about right and wrong and I hope I have not offended anyone by posting about the weapon.
Posted By: Horn Dog

Re: New Toy...FN Five-Seven 5.7x28mm - 11/17/09 05:39 AM

It's just a weapon. It looks like a good one. I have a Bushmaster AR-15. The model the beltway snipers used to kill innocent civilians with. It is sobering to think just how much evil one can do with modern weapons. Or how much good. I believe in having adequate firepower to defend my loved ones and my neighborhood against bandits or aggressors if necessary.
Posted By: Wiggitty

Re: New Toy...FN Five-Seven 5.7x28mm - 11/17/09 12:04 PM

very nice toy. totally jealous.
Posted By: J33psr0ck

Re: New Toy...FN Five-Seven 5.7x28mm - 11/17/09 04:36 PM

Nice pistol and I agree, that's a great round. Nice Springer to boot.
Posted By: Devil 505

Re: New Toy...FN Five-Seven 5.7x28mm - 11/17/09 05:30 PM

Thanks Wiggity!

Thank you as well Jeep! I'm deeply fond of the SA. I just finished changing out the recoil spring and installing a new SS guiderod and bushing.

What I really like are the G 10 grips I got from VZ Custom Grips . They are the Operator Grips and I asked for a thumb relief at the eject button and it worked out perfectly.
Posted By: Momaw

Re: New Toy...FN Five-Seven 5.7x28mm - 11/19/09 06:07 AM

Just to clarify... The 5.7mm ammunition you can buy as a citizen is NOT what this weapon was designed to shoot. The Fiveseven was intended and designed to shoot a lighter, faster, steel cored bullet which gives some limited armor penetration. It was meant to provide a sidearm that can actually wound an enemy on the modern battlefield where body armor is common.

What you can buy on the public market has that plastic tip to promote bullet expansion, and is not considered armor penetrating. It's hilarious that the police were annoyed about this handgun because it would supposedly negate their soft armor; the actual armor penetrating 5.7mm isn't available to the public.
Posted By: Wiggitty

Re: New Toy...FN Five-Seven 5.7x28mm - 11/25/09 05:28 AM

has anyone shot the p90?
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