Confused about CA AR15 rules

Need some help from the CA gun owners. I am taking a job in SF. Not happy about leaving Seattle because we really love it here but the job is really good.

I have S&W M&P15T. If I make the stock fixed (A2 style) and change out the barrel for a bull barrel with no threading am I good to go as long as I only use 10 round mags? Or do I still need a bullet button?

Guidance needed please.

Thanks!

Hey there. I'm in California. Check this out. It should help.

http://www.calguns.net/caawid/flowchart.pdf

For your question, if there's a detachable magazine, you cannot have a pistol grip.

If you keep the pistol grip, you'll need a bullet button. There's one company that sells a bullet button that can be adjusted from fixed magazine, to bullet button use, to regular mag release (no bullet required). I just got an AR lower (my first) to build, and I'll probably go with that type of bullet button. It can be seen here:

http://www.goldenstatetactical.com/bubucobne.html

Good luck with the move!

Hmmm,

So, does the bullet button mean I can still have my collapsable stock and flash hider?

If the collapsible stock keeps it longer than 30", it looks like it'll be fine. As for the flash hider, I think, and I'm no expert, since the bullet button makes it a "fixed" magazine that requires a tool for removal, the flash hider might be fine.

The problem is a detachable magazine plus any other "scary" feature. If the magazine is detachable (no tool or bullet required to remove it), any other feature like a pistol grip, flash hider, etc. will make it an illegal assault weapon in this silly state.

Thank you. Ok - bullet button it is.

*sigh*

Sorry to hear of your plight my friend!

Feels like I am heading into the heart of the Death Star. I bought a Ruger Mini-14 at the Gunshow last week to cheer myself up. That has been such fun to shoot. It is pretty battered but suprisingly accurate. I am also thinking of getting a semi-auto shotgun before I head down.

I feel like I'm looking out from the Death Star to the free world! Seriously, the gun laws here suck. You can get semi-auto shotguns here, but not with pistol grips. My friend has a semi-auto Benelli that he uses for bird hunting. Have you seen that crazy new Kel-Tec that holds something like 14 shells? Not practical, but it could be cool!

I've got a Cali legal AR, get the prince 50. It's easy to install, I recommend using the allen screw over the bullet button and both should come in the pack. The collapsible stock is fine, the flash hider not so much. Those are illegal, what you want is a muzzle break. If it looks like a flash hider you just have to prove that it's not. So far I've had no problems, my friend sells firearms and he took care of me. Just get your stuff locally if you can and you should be alright. Where in Cali are you?

Thinking about a FNH SLP or the Remington Police 1187. I can see the Kel-Tec getting banned quickly...

Will be moving to Marin County in just over a week. Family will follow in the next few months.

Thank you - will look for a muzzle break. The prince 50 looks nice and cheap. Will order one.

Oh, just saw that you said SF. Good Luck!

Just kidding, you can order the prince 50 from anywhere really.

Thank you all. Updates to follow....

Just paint flowers and peace signs on it....then they won't mind so much <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/doh.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />

Yeah, so can I. Even though it meets all of the qualifications to be legal even in California, because it's black and looks "scary," I'm sure someone will try to ban it. The funny thing is that manufacturers coming up with AR mods/parts to make them CA legal is called sidestepping the law, by anti-gun politicians.

I did a quick search about flash suppressors in California, and it looks like if you have a detachable magazine, you need a muzzle break.

If you do a bullet button configuration, since the mag doesn't detach, a flash suppressor is okay. Check out the forums at Calguns. There's a ton of information there.

Sweet! I have a flash hider on mine, but since I bought it that way I just figured it was pre-ban or something. Thanks for the info!

I intend to get one as both a home defense package and a SHTF zombie apocalypse insurance policy <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

I find the design somewhat more practical than shells on the side.

And yes, it is Cali legal. For now...

I figure if I'm going to roll with a tube mag shotgun, it's better to have 14 rounds readily accessible plus one in the tube than to have at most 7 or so.

I would still prefer a Saiga 12 however, over a pump design. I can't argue with 12 round detachable box mags and semi-auto capability. I can run an AK very quickly too, and the difference is negligable between the shotgun and rifles.

I'm sure that has some lame brained,limp wristed cali politicians quaking in there pink panties.

Good luck on your move tagati.

Been looking for a tacticool home defense shotgun for a while, guess I just found it <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

Thank you!

I am stocking up on hardware as quickly as I can (and budgets will allow).

Ended up with a nice Remington LE 1187 Semi Auto today. Haven't had a chance to take it to the range yet but looking forward to sending some big chunks of lead downrange.

The Saiga 12 is sinister. If I only had the moola...

Has anyone tried this bad boy?

My first AK was a Romanian pistol type model. It looks cool but difficult to shoot accurately without the stock. I sold it pretty quickly and ended up with a milled MAK 90.

I have one. I found it to be much more practical than I thought it would be. I mean it is a beast and all, but a heck of a great Jeep gun. I often take this guy out when we do out in to the desert Jeepin. If we go in to a place to get some ffod, I can carry it in my backpack so I don't have to leave it in the Jeep with the top down. More manageable than a full length rifle.

Oh the Saiga 12 is indeed siniter. They are a bunch of fun.

I've seen, handled, and fired several Draco pistols. A friend of a friend has one that was voluntarily recalled. As it turns out, some of these pistols have problems with doubling. There was a certain series of serial numbers that had a very controlled doubling issue. If you pulled the trigger slowly enough, it would fire a three round burst, every time. I'm not sure what he's done with it, last I heard he was thinking of converting it to an SBR. I was thinking of doing the same thing, but I may go with an AMD-65 instead, being easier to convert.

The last one I fired had major sporadic doubling issues, it was completely unpredictable. It was returned to the dealer and reported to the police. It has something to do with the original auto sears and the parts used from the romanian AK parts kits they put them together with.

They're not bad if you get one that was put together right, but Century International Arms doesn't have a reputation for putting thier AKs together very well. Canted sights, misaligned or missing gas ports, and missing magazine support plates in the recievers are some of the problems I've seen personally in thier WASRs.

I suppose the doubling issue really is only a problem if you view it that way, however <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />. It is still legally a semi-auto.