Couple is hiking through the woods, finds an abandoned backpack. They open it, it is filled with rabid miniature Hyenas!
Mayham follows.

Call a coroner... <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" />

How about a couple poachers are in far into the back country and one has an accident where his quad rolls over onto him and he cannot be moved. They would probably try to get out on their own before calling for help because of the poaching aspect and could also be in an area that is unusual for hikers etc.
Maybe the Cold Lake range or a remote chunk of crown land.

Kid is out camping/hiking/hunting
At some point decides to climb hydro tower
Option 1) Victim is electocuted and falls, on his way down he bangs off various pieces of metal. When he lands he lands on what?

Option 2) same as above but no electricity.

Possible injuries;
Electrical burns or other injuries
Fractures
Internal bleeding
Open wounds i.e. sucking chest, exposed internal organs such as intestines.

Twists
penetrating wound to underside of victim if rescuer doesn't do a proper exam.
Weather - cold, snow, freezing rain, hypothermia
penetrating wound such as impalement on large object that may require cutting
victim could be entangled in structure requiring lowering, if you can't do that option maybe you find him between trees, rocks ect that may require him to be taken out of. Similiar to a scenario where you use desks and chairs to simulate an auto accident

REAL TWIST
You find out he was in the tower because he was escaping graboids, NOW WHAT DO YOU DO

Incident involving heavy equipment such as a skidder
Unconsious or wounded victim that is located on a rock in a fast flowing river, rescuers have to remove victim without their assistance

I witnessed this one for real but it happened to a dog not a person.
Diver leaves speargun leaning against a log, victim jumps over log and impales themselve on the spear point.

Hunter walks up to dead deer, deer isn't quite dead and gores hunter with antlers.
Wounded deer could be dead or alive at time you get to scene, maybe antler still in victim.

Hunter walks up to 'dead deer', not only is deer not dead, but it is a weredeer.

a hunter last year died when unloading a dead deer and puntured an artery with the deer's antler.
My uncle once had a "dead "deer wake up and chase him around a try

Nasty I like it. The scenario is this weekend btw along with a massive mock search through hell and back before. We test most humans limits on this course. Snow rain and wind expected, evil instuctor grin <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

Hound

Well the scenario was this past weekend. It was the second half or a 36 hr course for advanced SAR candidates.

Weather: wind 50-60 MPH
Temp range 10 to -8 F
Snow 4 inches in 8 hrs.
Variable white out conditions due to high winds.

Terrain: Sea level to max 680 feet x 8 repetitions (rolling hills), Swamp, Hurricaine damaged areas, low scrub brush, marsh, dense boreal forest.

Distance: 12 miles

Density: Complete off trail bush travel.

Average pack weight: 45 lbs


The 7 students travelled 12 miles over nasty terrain with massive elevation changes. They navigated with a 1:50,000 topo to 8 points under an adhoc scenario via radio (they did not know their destinations).

After 12 hrs of searching they came upon 6 individuals. 5 in one area 1 200 yards down near a lake. 1 adult and 5 children. 2 children were deceased and the remaining adult and child were in late stage hypothermia. Injuries included a lacerated chest wall and fractured femur. After managing the 2 live patients for 4 hrs with no chance of helo evac the subjects died despite heroic efforts, bringing a total of 4 deceased.

After the subjects passed on a scream was heard down the lake and a 4th child 12yrs old was found to be in early stage hypothermia and had a massive knee injury. The child was evacd to the set up camp at midnight and managed unitl 7 am when a helo arrived on scene to hoist the subject and team out.

All and all a good scenario, the death of children is hard for responders to triage and some conflict evolved over leaving them and moving on to live subjects. Managing their own situation is always a challenge. 3 students ended up mildly hypothermic for real and were managed. We all made it through the nasty night on SAT and gained valuable experience in survival skills and what it takes to manage a live risky situation.

Thanks all for the ideas.

"So others may live"

Hound

My gosh do you guys ever have the hardest job in the world. If there was conflict over hypothetical dead kids imagine the stress involved in triage for real?

I spend a lot of time quading and other stuff in the bush so I would just like to thank you in advance for saving my fat butt.

I would love to learn more about the gear you SAR guys use?

wow. that sounds intense.

The decision to leave the dead children was beyond stressful as these kids were good actors. There is a medical term used in child and adult hypothermia cases that says "they are not dead until they are warm and dead" This term rose out of examples of young children returning from death hrs after their heart stops because their body temp plunged fast such as in super cold water or fridged exposure.

One medic took it litterally for this situation and failed to realize the triage concept under these conditions. He grew emotional over the kids and took it personally. He had to be coaxed and reasoned with to stop his actions over a period of time. He was using valuable resouces and labor that could have been put to use on the other patients. His heart was in the right place but his reasoning was impaired by fatique and mild hypothermia. It was a tense moment but it worked out.
At one point another medic (to his credit)went over to the deceased in front of the other medic and took all the insulative gear off the deceased kids to use on the live child.


Nothing motivates SAR people like children. You find that extra ounce of energy and willpower when it comes to kids even to the point of putting yourself well beyond capabilities and personal risk.

Lets hope we never have to deal with this for real.

It was highly emotional for me to watch him from an instructor in a ghosting observer position. My heart ached for him all the while wanting to kick his [censored] back to reality. When training on the edge like this the scenario seems real to many people as you are beyond tired in pain and your perception is distorted with a mix of exhaustion and adrenalin. Its a bizzar surreal experience.


What would you like to know about the gear? We carry too much. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" /> What else?

Hound