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Re: Who Change's The Edge On Their Busse-knives? [Re: MAJORSDAD] #354256 07/08/09 09:26 PM
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I know I will buck the trend here...

but...

there is no point in convexing an edge on a knife...

* in my humble opinion *

sorry boys...

the maintenance issues in the field, especially in a survival mode make it impractical...

its as worthless as "batoning" with a knife...

why would beat your knife into and through a piece of wood...?

*sigh*...

I'll probably regret typing that..

Doc


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Re: Who Change's The Edge On Their Busse-knives? [Re: DocSavage] #354257 07/08/09 09:29 PM
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I know I will buck the trend here...

but...

there is no point in convexing an edge on a knife...

* in my humble opinion *

sorry boys...

the maintenance issues in the field, especially in a survival mode make it impractical...

its as worthless as "batoning" with a knife...

why would beat your knife into and through a piece of wood...?

*sigh*...

I'll probably regret typing that..



Doc
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Re: Who Change's The Edge On Their Busse-knives? [Re: DocSavage] #354258 07/08/09 09:31 PM
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Always, I like thin edges.

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Makes an even bigger difference with choppers.

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Nothing I use either blade on ever causes damage to the edge. Looking forward to thinning out my new S5 and putting it to work.


Doc: Why do you think it's pointless? A convex edge can easily be maintained in the field. Cut a strip of leather or a mousepad and bring some sandpaper, then lay them on something flat and sharpen. Or do what I do and bring a fine ceramic rod and use a microbevel for touch-ups in the field then reset the convex profile when the microbevel starts to get thick. Convex edges cut nicely. They seperate material well compared to a V edge. Regardless the most important thing to getting good geometry behind the edge is how thin you take it, not whether it's V or convex. I use a microbevel with either edge type though, so field touch ups are no issue.

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Re: Who Change's The Edge On Their Busse-knives? [Re: Vivi] #354259 07/08/09 09:51 PM
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Doc: Why do you think it's pointless? A convex edge can easily be maintained in the field. Cut a strip of leather or a mousepad and bring some sandpaper, then lay them on something flat and sharpen. Or do what I do and bring a fine ceramic rod and use a microbevel for touch-ups in the field then reset the convex profile when the microbevel starts to get thick. Convex edges cut nicely. They seperate material well compared to a V edge. Regardless the most important thing to getting good geometry behind the edge is how thin you take it, not whether it's V or convex. I use a microbevel with either edge type though, so field touch ups are no issue.

It just is not a quick solution for me, at least not worth the effort....a convex edge will never be as sharp as a hollow ground thin blade (read razor)... and I know that convex is stronger...that's why is is also called an axe grind... but hauling a mouse pad, sandpaper..and all that other garbage into the woods or in your BOB is a waste of space and time...sandpaper gets wet and ruins....mousepads do to...leather rots...I am not implying you shouldn't do it...I am saying it is a waste of time...for me... I'll take my old shaving sharp normal double bevel, or flat and do as much work as anyone.... I guess I've cleaned as many hogs as most....a knife cuts....keep it sharp...however you like...and it'll cut...I just think all this convex edge talk for a knife is hoopla....sorry...my opinon... your mileage may vary...

Oh, and if you wanna chop with a thin knife...I recommend a machete, else use an axe....again... why would I want to beat myself to death with my knife trying to chop a log in half.... and potentially break and waste my blade...

right tool for the job...

and for the record.... that S5 is one sweet blade... the handle is a might small for might fat hands...but it will work... but man that choil and thumb grip is right on...fits me like a glove....

Doc


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Re: Who Change's The Edge On Their Busse-knives? [Re: DocSavage] #354260 07/08/09 09:55 PM
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I know I will buck the trend here...

but...

there is no point in convexing an edge on a knife...

* in my humble opinion *

sorry boys...

the maintenance issues in the field, especially in a survival mode make it impractical...

its as worthless as "batoning" with a knife...

why would beat your knife into and through a piece of wood...?

*sigh*...

I'll probably regret typing that..

Doc

I find a convex edge as easy to maintain as any other. You don't have to use a strop, either. The Fallkniven survival knife uses a convex edge, as does the BRKT Bravo-1, both of which are very fine knives. My SARsqauatch came with one, too. Any conventional method will do fine to sharpen in the field. As for batoning, it is sometimes useful to get to dry wood for fire starting. And you can cut across the grain to chop down a small tree using a baton on the back of the blade. Of course and axe or chopper would be better. Just my experience and opinion. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />


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Re: Who Change's The Edge On Their Busse-knives? [Re: DocSavage] #354261 07/08/09 10:04 PM
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I know I will buck the trend here...
but...
there is no point in convexing an edge on a knife...
* in my humble opinion *
sorry boys...
the maintenance issues in the field, especially in a survival mode make it impractical...
its as worthless as "batoning" with a knife...
why would beat your knife into and through a piece of wood...?
*sigh*...
I'll probably regret typing that..
Doc

Doc, I respect your opinion on the matter, and you are entitled to it, just as the others are entitled to their opinion on how they should use, as well as what they should do to, their knives.

"Let each man live his life to the fullest enjoyment he can enjoy, without criticism, or bias."

It's a motto I've come to live by, as it allows me to live my life the way I wish to, and still have friends from all walks of life. Life is too short to stress over such little things, so I let them slide. I apply this philosophy to pretty much everything; it makes life so much less stressful, and I'm all about less stress. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

I also sometimes see things people do to their knives that I personally wouldn't do, but those people like those modifications, so let them enjoy it.

I guess it comes down to a classic quote from Bambi:

"If you can't say something nice, don't say anything at all."
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None of this is meant to come down on you by any means Doc; just some friendly ribbing. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />


BTW, Majorsdad, thanks for the compliment. I really enjoyed putting those edges on my knives. I've tested them frequently on different materials, and have yet to have any of them chip, roll, or become damaged in any way.

I practiced on several cheaper knives before I began to really try on my Bussekins, though; I strongly suggest the same. Even an old lawnmower blade lets you get the practice of how a piece of steel should be handled around a belt sander.


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Re: Who Change's The Edge On Their Busse-knives? [Re: tyger75] #354262 07/08/09 10:18 PM
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leather with compound glued to top or bottom of altoids fire/psk tin. takes up zero space.

plus if youre already hauling an axe around, why not a small piece of leather? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

or if you wear a leather belt?

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.... and potentially break and waste my blade...

id like to see the day i break my busse knife chopping! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

not trying to down your opinions, just offering alternatives.

oh and ive only had my SOD reprofiled, my CGFBM only slightly hit down the shoulders...the m9 came shaving sharp no need to.

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Re: Who Change's The Edge On Their Busse-knives? [Re: Horn Dog] #354263 07/08/09 10:24 PM
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I find a convex edge as easy to maintain as any other. You don't have to use a strop, either. The Fallkniven survival knife uses a convex edge, as does the BRKT Bravo-1, both of which are very fine knives. My SARsqauatch came with one, too. Any conventional method will do fine to sharpen in the field. As for batoning, it is sometimes useful to get to dry wood for fire starting. And you can cut across the grain to chop down a small tree using a baton on the back of the blade. Of course and axe or chopper would be better. Just my experience and opinion. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

You already know that I appreciate your opinion, and we have agreed on a couple of occasions..although I am relatively new here...

I always appreciate another's viewpoint and and always read and try to understand another's perspective... I find the conversations herein informative and entertaining... sharing of ideas and philosophy is what a forum should be about... I have no qualms, complaints, or indignation of others ideals and opinions, and I hope mine are taken in the same light.. I threw out my opinion in the spirit of communication and conversation...I may not agree with some, but that is okay... and they might not agree with me... and that is okay...

We are who we are...
I may read and learn something from others, and maybe others can learn from me.. Lord knows I do not know it all...

Doc


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Re: Who Change's The Edge On Their Busse-knives? [Re: DocSavage] #354264 07/08/09 10:34 PM
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Re: Who Change's The Edge On Their Busse-knives? [Re: tyger75] #354265 07/08/09 10:34 PM
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Doc, the argument that a convex edge will not be as sharp as any other grind is basically a moot point IMO. look how many put crazy sharp convex edges on their knives. sure maybe not straight razor sharp... but that's impractical for field use anyway. Also, you may get just as much work done with a flat ground blade, BUT I do sometimes think that convex grind are a little more durable.
Either way, I voted yes because w/e the grind may be, I feel Busse and kin need some work to the edge.

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Re: Who Change's The Edge On Their Busse-knives? [Re: eatingmuchface] #354266 07/08/09 10:35 PM
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My SOD ended up vexed thx to HD not too sure about my S5.


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Re: Who Change's The Edge On Their Busse-knives? [Re: tyger75] #354267 07/08/09 10:39 PM
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Doc, I respect your opinion on the matter, and you are entitled to it, just as the others are entitled to their opinion on how they should use, as well as what they should do to, their knives.

"Let each man live his life to the fullest enjoyment he can enjoy, without criticism, or bias."

It's a motto I've come to live by, as it allows me to live my life the way I wish to, and still have friends from all walks of life. Life is too short to stress over such little things, so I let them slide. I apply this philosophy to pretty much everything; it makes life so much less stressful, and I'm all about less stress. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

I also sometimes see things people do to their knives that I personally wouldn't do, but those people like those modifications, so let them enjoy it.

I guess it comes down to a classic quote from Bambi:

"If you can't say something nice, don't say anything at all."
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None of this is meant to come down on you by any means Doc; just some friendly ribbing. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />


Wow... you confused the heck out of me with that... <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" />

I do not want to offend anyone, and I wan't trying to say anything mean about anyone... I was simply trying to throw in my two cents...I do believe in "to each his own"...

I belong to a few forums, and have quit some forums...some places only want to hear from "the elite" forum guys... others always think new members know nothing because they are new to the forum... I lurked quite a while before I registered, and after that... posted a little at a time...This seems to be an open group and receptive to other opinions... certainly HD has been an inspiration as such... I can take an insult as well as the next guy...but by no means would I want to hurt someone else's feelings....That is why joining and participating in forums is always an arduous task for me...it just ain't worth the conflict...

Doc


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