Dan, Now Let's Talk About the 611

I'm thinking a Boss Jack profile with a either a War Dog or Regulator handle. Something nice and stabby with a little more reach than the War Dog--I want to take it hunting to finish off deer if the need arises <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />

I like that stabby part...

Or how about a 6" Muk...? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />

6" muk isn't as useful, in my opinion...unless you are planning on skinning Bigfoot <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

But that's just my opinion. See your sig line <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />

That crossed my mind... But my mind is a criss-cross....

I´ve mentioned that a tanto blde knife from SY would be nice, but it would decrease it´s usefulness in hunting.

Boss Jack style would be nice but I´d like it to have partly sharpened spine.

In overall I think, like I said before, the 611 should be something special.

I have a good feeling Dan will finish the '11 series on a grand note.

I hope for basic-handle and an ASH-1 like blade. As to thickness, I am leaning towards 3/16". We have been around this one in one of Pitmans earlier threads.

Pitmans skinny ScrapASH or Scrap Forces Natural Outlaw



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also a DSF with Res-C would be cool, call it the 6+2=8-11

That sounds awesome. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbup.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />

I've been think about this one alot lately...... <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

I'd really like to see something along the lines of a choilless Boss Jack with a mudder or War Dog handle. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbup.gif" alt="" />





I've had a Scrapper 5 SE pass through my hands, and probably would have kept it if it had 6" blade and no choil.

I'd like it to be as narrow as possible while still providing a good geometry, with a thinner stock.

Otherwise, you'll never feel like carrying them on your person.

Anything over 6" is too much for me to carry on me, and would be relegated to finding it's home in a pack.

And did I mention no choil???? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crossfingers.gif" alt="" />

I like your idea, especially with the War Dog handle!!! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbup.gif" alt="" />

Wow I can't believe this thread.....Just this past weekend I was on the blade forums considering a DSSF for a new blade. And I found myself thinking about the War Dog handle on a nice narrow width piece of SR101 OR SR77 from 6 to 8 inches long.. I am starting to wonder if DogTired can read minds....Dan Please read this thread!

i like the boss jack or no blade shapes

The more I think about, I believe the War Dog handles would work better with a Boss Jack blade profile.

I knew you were wondering that <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

its because he went through your stuff. he has profiled you <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

Shhhhhhh! Stop giving away my secrets! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

ops sorry!!!

choilless boss jack blade on a 711 handle would be nice.

6" MUK..... NOW THATS SQUATCHIN! Seriously Dan I can't affor any more blades can you give us a few weeks? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

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That sounds great to me, too!

How about a 3/16" ever so slightly smaller SR101 basic handled SARsquatch... the 6squatch. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crossfingers.gif" alt="" />
The blade design of the SARsquatch is perfect as is with the swedge for digging roots, including the choil if necessary, but the handle is where it could use help.
No choil would be nice especially since there is no talon hole requirement.
Here is my crude photoshop attempt of what I think would be sweet.
I used the 1311 to replace the choil on purpose. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />
REMOVED BY ME TO COMPLY WITH RULE #10 Sorry, I am not used to this rule, but now I know. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif" alt="" />

These are the originals together.



Maybe bring the edge just a little lower than the handle for a wider blade like the SARsquatch has?

Either a Boss Jack or a Squatch. It's all good.

Nice ! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbup.gif" alt="" />

Don't forget rule 10. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

Got it. And I apologize, I removed the edited photo from my post. It won't happen again. I just got a little excited thinking about the possibilities... <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif" alt="" />

oooops!

Hey we've all done it at one time or another. No problem unless it starts happening to much. Then Dan Will spank us, and his paddles are made of SR101! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/ooo.gif" alt="" />

I vote for the mudder handles. I think they are the best there is for small and mid size knives. 411 is GREAT! I think you could handle even 7"-8" blade with mudders!

6" Boss Jack with mudder handles would be good. Or with the War Dog handle...or something else....it's all good.

I would love a 6 inch with a mudder grip.

Yeah, a six inch mudder would be pretty sweet too, either way, BJ style or squatch style. I do think a thin wide blade that drops down way below the handle would be really sweet for food prep slicing & chopping as well as no slouch for skinning, kind of like a straightened out muk.

I'm with y'all on this one!

choil or no choil

Guys, talk more about this one!

It is the conclusion of the '11 series.

Basic handles all the way, IMO!
I have a feeling the revelation of the real deal is only weeks away...

No choil, if this blade we're to have a choil I would have zero interest in it no matter how well it is designed in other regards. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/barf.gif" alt="" />

While it is awesome that Dan listened to us and came out with the 1311, I believe it's time for those of us who have a strong preference for no choils be considered..... <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crossfingers.gif" alt="" />

Virtually every Busse & Kin released to this date has had a choil featured on it!<img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/banghead.gif" alt="" />

I know the percentage of us that are against choils are small compared to those in favor, but at least give throw us a bone every so often..... <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/paperbag.gif" alt="" />

These percentages have been excerpted from Pitmans thread "Choils.....Love em or hate em"

23% voted - No, "A choiled knife is a spoiled knife"
50% voted - Yes, but only on knives with a 6" blade or over
16% voted - Yes, but only on knives with a 6" blade or less
11% voted - Yes Choils every time

Take this for whatever it's worth, but there are plenty of us out there who want no choils....

What has a choil ever done wrong?
Most bussekin blades are big and long. It is not that we lack cutting edge...
+1 on choils here <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

I rest my case on this, I'll have to start buying Bark River....

AFF I would wait for an official statement before you go up a creak or river as it were. lol

I was only being facetious about buying Bark River, but I am serious when I say I will never buy another Bussekin with a choil.....

I can understand that, we all have features of tools we prefer.

The nice handle to blade transition is why I love my Vex so much ! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbup.gif" alt="" />

sweet vex. the choils are nice on big blades but i do get tired of them on medium and small knives

To me, it is exactly in the mid range blades, 4-6", that I find the choil most usefull.
But this is the never ending debate... Each to ones own!

A wide, 3/16" thick, blade will be something new from the Yard. At least in the 6" range...

I think our Danish friend has spent too much time under water.... <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" />

I too am starting to feel depressed about this choil discussion. I´ve said it so many times before and I say it again: handles are for gripping and blades are for cutting. When the cutting edge starts right from the point that the handle ends you don´t need a choil - do ya?!?

Choils...



...or no choils.

This really is a never ending debate. I´ve never understood your opinion about the choils in mid sized blades and I think I never will. All the same I will respect your opinion and I mean no offence with my writings. I think it would be great to have the option to choose if you want a choil or not. By the way; I liked the 1311 choil... <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" /> In my opinion it was just the right size for a blade like that.

i find the small knives choils get cought when skinning game and cutting rope and other material.

HOW DARE YOU!!!!!
No doubt, I have spent too much time under water.

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Given an potion of choil or no choil would probably result in me buying both.
A choilless blade is by no means a spoiled blade for me.

Infidel! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/doh.gif" alt="" />

I did that with the B10LE <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> one of each is the way to go!!!

Excellent point, GD! This also applies to any knives that may be potentially used for self defense.

The 411, SS4 and Scrapper 5 SE would have made great fighters if they had no choil, but sadly they all came with a choil.

A choil simply has no place on a fighting knife as anything that could potentially hang up on clothing will likely do so. This is along the same lines as carrying a gun for self defense that has been proven to have a high rate of malfunctions...... <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/doh.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif" alt="" />

IF Dan designed a 611 which featured a choilless Boss Jack type blade on a mudder handle, it would likely be the best fighter released to date by any of the Busse Group.

Especially if it featured the same grind and thickness as the Scrapper 5 LE..... <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/paperbag.gif" alt="" />

you getting in a knife fight??? bring a gun!!! i think that most of the blades from the kin would kill something just fine. it the little tasks like wittling and such hat i dont need a choil on a small knife for.

Never been in one and hope to never, but there is a place for knives in self defense.....

Mainly at belly to belly ranges where a gun may not be as effective.

I also know that I always have a knife on me so the potential is always there.

It won't do you much good if it snags on some heavy clothing and you lose control of it..... <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/doh.gif" alt="" />

I was simply further defining one of the many reasons why a choil should not be desired in a knife....

I believe there's far more reasons against them then there are for them. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

I get your points on selfdefense, I just personally never think along those lines when buying a knife.
Bushcraft tasks are my main thing.

Only read the last page, but I can't stand choils on smaller knives, heck, I'm glad my Zilla doesn't have one.

Aside from that conversation, can't we wait till the rest of of have our 1311's before we start talking about other models!!!! Jeez <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

Last I heard was, the remaining 1311 will be shortened to 8" due to lack of SR101. Bad news I know, but what to do...?

shrinkage!!!! Noooooooooooooo

That is what a pool will do...

the MO511 would be a good fighting knife. full flat grind special choil and tan and camo

I can never understand the whole knife fight stuff, if you are wanting a knife for fighting then you might as well get something nice cheap, pointy and made in China from someone such as Cold Steel. In fact you might as well go to your nearest hardware store and get a long screwdriver. Stabbing through skin and fat doesn't require a very strong blade and edge retention definitely isn't an issue. For me the only reason I purchase quality knives such as Busse-Kin is because they keep a great edge when Bushcrafting, hunting etc..........Sorry for getting off topic, I will now step down from my soap box ! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif" alt="" />

I agree with you. but if i was in a fight I would wan a kin blade. why carry a hipoint into a fight when you can carry glock

Fair point !

why thank you

The reality is that most kitchen knives would make better fighters than the vast majority of Bussekin blades ever produced.....

But let's get back on topic of the 611, I only brought up this matter to illustrate just one instance where choilless most definitely beats choil....

No need to convert me buddy, I can't think of one single example of where a choil could be more usefull than a well designed blade with no choil ! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

I regret trading my MO 511, it's really the only Bussekin I can think of that I whole-heartedly regret letting go...... <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/banghead.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/banghead.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/banghead.gif" alt="" />

It was most definitely a cutter, probably the best Scrap Yard I've ever had in that regard.

While I had mine, I accidentally banged the edge right into a thick drinking glass which I didn't see sitting on the carpet.

I was pleasantly surprised that there were only a couple of microchips in the edge after that impact.

I have not seen one on the exchange since I traded mine off a couple months ago.... <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/paperbag.gif" alt="" />

The more I think about the 611, the more I start to think that this one is not up for debate....

I have a strong feeling that the 611 will be exactly what was debuted at Blade 2011 with the rest of the 11' line.

Only time will tell on this one, so I'm not going to get my hopes up just yet.

Well, the boot HD Dagger is up for grabs right now... Throw some paracord round it, and you got your self a fighter worth more than any kitchenknife.

I too think Dan will bring the Reg. handle on the 611.
The majority of the '11 had the generic basic handles, which I love.
But I believe Dan will throw a bone to all those in to the Reg. handles.
Heck I may even go for it, and find out I like it...

i cant afford a six right now. hold off dan

Six-eleven...shmix-eleven, I'm still waiting for my 13-11's!!! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/doh.gif" alt="" />

haha so am I Tom

I still say Boss Jack with a Mudder or WD handle would be niiiiiiiiice <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />

Could really use a deer sticker! Don't make me wait another whole year.....that's animal cruelty <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

I like how you think brother!!!!

C'mon gents, we need to get united here. Gimme a SYKCO BJ!!!!

Wait....that sounds wrong......

Give us the Mudder Jack!

That's better. "Boss Jack," while a knife I REALLY want to own someday, has a most unfortunate acronym....

I think you might be missing out not having a Boss Jack..... it's by far my favorite mid-sized blade at this point.

Anything Dan could whip up that resembles a Boss Jack crossed with a War Dog would be AWESOME!!

In six months. Sorry but I'm broke guys

Six months is fine by me too. Just want it to not die.

And yes, I DO know what I'm missing. Had one once. Needed to sell and haven't been able to get one since. There's some nice G10 models floating around out there....sadly, mine is one of them... <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" />

Mud Jack or War Jack. Either way. Just thinking if we aren't united in our pleas then Dan won't hear us.

Not to Bill Clinton! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

ba-dum-bum!

It's a great blade and the sheath is nice as well. It addicted me to Bussekin!

Yeah, I keep apologizing for that Doc <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />