The 2nd Amendment and knives

Knife Rights (a large national knife advocacy group) are encouraging knife users to stand with gun owners in the current 2nd Amendment debate and contact legislators to ask them to oppose any new legislation which will further infringe the 2nd Amendment.

Personally I agree, having seen knife ownership being banned and demonized in my home country after guns were eliminated (from law abiding people's hands, not the hands of criminals), it seems the right thing to do is pull this waggon together. Numbers are important.

http://campaign.r20.constantcontact.com/...#LETTER.BLOCK37

Mods: Sorry if this is too political for this forum, but in the light of everything this is a really important message to get out there. Remove my post if you feel it is inappropriate or if SYKCO does not wish to be part of this political discussion. I do think they would be fools not to as it might affect their business in the future and alienate potential customers.

Good point MD!

Believe me, you don't want Danish conditions!
All I can EDC is a slipjoint under 2.8". And thumbstuds are banned. Only two handed opening is allowed.
It is a real pain to have to restrain yourself in such a degree. Plus we have to endure all the wrong interpretations of the cryptic knifelaws here by the lawenforcement.

Well if certain parties get their way it will be that way here

Listen to this man, and it has only gotten worse there as time goes on.

Ironically violent crime is up quite a bit (unlike in the US where it is falling steadily along with more guns in law-abiding hands), and gun crime is roaring on like a freight train despite the near impossibility of legally owning any kind of firearm, including air rifles over a certain caliber.

Don't let it, keep calling and writing every week or more often.

As someone who lives in the UP of Michigan where guns and knives are almost a religion, I couldn't agree more. It's time we start watching out for our rights as law abiding citizens and tell the government to mind their own business. As Ben Franklin said, "He who would give up one ounce of freedom for a spot of safety deserves neither freedom nor safety".

Agreed! Gotta live the U.P. !!!!! It's gods country up there <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

the politicians seem to think they can do whatever they please with our rights. its appalling.

Knife Rights is a good organisation and have done a lot for the US knife owners. I have spoken to Doug Ritter for advice when we had issues with upcoming law. Very helpful and supportive.

If I was a US citisen I would support them.

There are a few organizations that really go out on the limb for us. We need to support all if them! It's
A lot of work but freedom ain't easy or cheap

I sent my emails to my senator and rep.

Unfortunately, It'll never happen but these guys should be getting inundated with calls and emails about not voting for any new gun control legislation.

Thanks for the reminder. I can't fathom having to deal with anymore legislation on my knives, guns, thoughts, or religion.

That's the reason for the 2nd ammendment in the first place! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbup.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbup.gif" alt="" />

Illinois lawmakers, led by Senate President John Cullerton and Gov Pat Quinn, are trying to slip gun control measures past the public with House Bill 1263 and 815.

House Bill 1263 was introduced on 8 Feb 2011 and was designed to mandate that sexual assaults on minors shall be punished with a sentence of life imprisonment. The anti-2nd Amendment gun haters saw an opportunity and are trying to slither gun control amendments into this Bill.

House Bill 815 is supposed to amend the Illinois Nuclear Safety Preparedness Act, but once again the gun haters are trying to slip magazine restrictions (10 rounds max), or more correctly “large capacity ammunition feeding device”, into this Bill.

One of the craziest things about this attempt is in the first couple of paragraphs of Senate Amendment 001 of this Bill it states: “Whereas, in the same decision, the Unites States Supreme Court also found that the individual right to possess and use a firearm was not unlimited, that the government has the ability to regulate the possession and use of firearms. And that this right “does not protect those weapons not typically possessed by law abiding citizens for lawful purposes”, and that the government may ban entirely “dangerous and unusual weapons”;….

The decision it’s referring to is District of Columbia v. Heller (No. 07-290), where the high court ruled that the District could not forbid the homeowner from owning a firearm.

As Glock 17 owner, I called Glock and was informed that the Model 17 is their most popular model sold in the US. Wouldn’t this high capacity magazine firearm then qualify as a “typically possessed weapon”?

I gotta find another state to live in, before Illinois officially suspends the Constitution and closes the borders.

Mastiff, that's why we left Illinois 20 years ago! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

Mastiff, check this out (and congratulations <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbup.gif" alt="" /> ) :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0bDJW97xBAE

But be vigilant, keep in touch with your state and federal reps.

Right now Boehner needs to hear from us to not allow new gun legislation to be voted on until cooler heads prevail.

http://www.speaker.gov/contact

The congratulations belong to all the level headed thinkers in Illinois that inundated law makers with phone calls and emails. Chicago politicians hate it that they keep getting all their anti-gun legislation declared un-constitutional by the big court, but they keep trying. And I think sooner or later they’ll be able to sneak something through.

Every time someone tells me how the gun ban in Australia or Britain helped curb gun violence, I ask them where in their Constitution it guarantees their individual right to own firearms. And then I ask if the government changed their Constitution before or after the ban. I always get blank looks.

How soon after the guns where outlawed did the knife restriction happen?

Don’t people get it? Once the Government is allowed to mess with one Amendment, they are all at risk? It starts with something like …oh say…The Patriot Act….

Tom, you got any room in the Barn?

The old bartn came down, but there's room for you in the equipment/hay shed. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

We are watching closely here in GA. I don't trust my representative or senators. They all voted for unreasonable search and seizure and indefinite detention (NDAA, SOPA, Patriot Act). Since they didn't respect amendments 4 thru 6, I have no reason to expect them to honor the second. Kingston is my representative and he already said "gun control is on the table". These phony, pompous jackasses may have stepped in it. Bubbas down here don't even know what the other amendments are, but they follow gun stuff. NRA is big here. AR-15s and Glocks are quite popular here. We will see.

Ya don't mess with Bubba's Guns, Beer or trucks. Not necessarily in that order.

I love being in OK, the only Red State this election. Wish we could export some of us, or our beliefs , to other in D.C.

Even better, don't let them put you on the defensive side, ask them to provide accurate data for their opinion on gun violence in the UK and Australia.

Because they will not be able to, gun violence is going up in both places (while it is going down in the US).

Official data can be had on government web sites in all the countries mentioned. For the US you will want to look at the FBI's web site.

On the FBI web site you will see that more people are killed yearly by bare hands than by rifles. "assault rifles" will be a small subset of the rifle category.

Ask anyone who want to ban "assault rifles" if we should also require everyone to be handcuffed in public. Its a reasonable parable I think since most people with hands don't go about killing people either.

If they say "more people have hands than firearms", mention hammers and baseball bats, which respectively also are used more to murder than "assault rifles". Or mention that not all rifles are of the "assault" variety, and how about the millions of rifle owners who do not kill people.

Wyoming is passing legislation to completely protect their people from 2nd Amendment destroying legislation:

http://www.rightsidenews.com/20130110317...-amendment.html

New York is doing the opposite:

http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2013/01/08/e...n-control-laws/


The lines are really drawn, will this country rip in half over this issue?

SOME people are bent one banning items that have no mind, have no voice to defend themselves. It is easier to speak out against something that has no voice than to demand that existing laws be enforced and make those law breakers accountable TO THE FULL EXTENT OF THE LAW.

Well, it depends on who you are if you can break the law apparently.

As evidenced by NBC's David Gregory. He asked if he could use a standard capacity magazine on TV in D.C. to show what a horribly dangerous piece of equipment it is.

The D.C. Metro Police said "nope" because it is actually a federal offense to be in possession of one of these in D.C., but he did it anyway.

The evidence was on national TV, people filed complains and reports to the D.C. Metro Police and they still haven't arrested the guy.

Care to wager what would happen to you if you did the same?

Update, journalists (from NBC at least) are indeed above the law:

http://www.seattlepi.com/news/crime/arti...ine-4187206.php

Just goes to prove what Wayne LaPierre said that the government does not enforce the current guns laws. How are new laws going to make any difference?

Sigh.....

Missouri has just recently legalized the carry of switchblade knives, which, depending on the actual wording MAY also include gravity knives and Butterfly knives. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbup.gif" alt="" />

Great news SkunkHunter! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

Those same switchblades were originally banned because threatening looking youth gangs in the 50s were flicking them open and closed on street corners, not because they were particularly implicated in actual violent crime.

Absolutely correct. This is outrageous. It seems if you are part of a certain political faction you can say and do as you please.

Like what Ed Rendell said:

http://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlic...rrific-n1487451

Let me spell it out for you: He is happy that the blood of babies flowing in CT can galvanize people to follow a political agenda.

A lot of evil people throughout history has not had the guts to stand up and say something quite this horrible, even in more veiled ways.

West Side Story. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

It is unfortunate that the government will not make a stance on following the existing laws on the books. Like mentioned above there are two sets of rules out there--those for us peons and those for the elitist that will never follow rules.

Skunk, that is great on the laws changing. I never understood why the laws on autos and bali's were enacted as the did nothing except to limit the number of cool knives out there. I myself would own more autos and bali's if they were legal to carry in OK but you know the deal of justifying something that just sits in the house.

Something to show your friends who don't understand the difference between various rifle types and how likely they are to be used in various crime:

http://www.assaultweapon.info/