My Gun Shop?

I went by one of my favorite gun shops today. It's an old, well established shop. All the guns were gone. He had sold them all. Ammo was gone too. I have seen panic buying before, but this is the worst. You can't even find a box of 22LR in this town. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif" alt="" />

Is this political? Just kidding.....but things are only going to get crazier I'm afraid......

Umm....I guess it is related to politics. It was just an observation. I had no idea the panic buying was so intense. Is this typical or is my town just more paranoid?

Yeah, lots of gun stores are totally depleted of ammo and especially evil black rifles.

Which reminds me, I should try and find some 12ga this weekend. There has to be more of that out there at least.

I think people are buying for a few reasons. Some are stockpiling because they are afraid Guns and Ammo will be taken away. Some are buying because they don't want to pay inflated prices down the road. Some are buying to resale in an inflated market. If I had the cash I would probably pick up a few things I have wanted/needed for awhile. I remember the cost of black rifles in the nineties and would rather not pay those prices again (I sold my colt ar15 to by a car back then).

I think it is a little rediculous the run that is going on right now.

I think its for resale, BUT a bunch of different gun shows are now under attack in SoCal. Places that have been hosting Gun Shows for decades without incident are now being pushed to stop hosting the shows.

Remember, knives don't run out of ammo.

Luckily its probably all decent honest people buying up the product

MM

Haha it's like Bussekin knives!

Supply and demand, like it or not.....it is what it is I guess.

BTW, you can barely find 9mm and .223/5.56 ammo online these days. It used to be quite plentiful only a year ago.....

It's aaaaaaaaaall crazy...like Hogs at the trough during a Ganza!

It is crazy. It has even affected reloading supplies. They are getting scarce also.

One of my favorite guns shops has shut down because they have nothing to sell. They sold out fast and have nothing literally nothing to sell as far as guns or ammo.

Yes, the market is CRAZY right now! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif" alt="" /> I managed to pick up some ammo from a couple of sources just before they ran out. I make it a habit to check the Sporting Goods section of stores when I'm out....don't forget to check out the farm supply stores. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" /> They will be priced a little higher but still have some ammo in stock.

Not too bad here. Most AR types and home defense shotguns are sold out, but there are higher end ARs and hunting shotguns a plenty. Some ammo is sold out at some stores, but a few are fully stocked. Gallenson's in downtown actually has a ton of ammo and the prices are the same as a month ago.

I am guessing it is because most of the people here already had a small armory. Gotta give it to the Mormons, they are prepared. Not to mention the silos and warehouses across this area packed with food.

was a line outside and around the parking lot at the guns show here a few week ago. $100 AK mags and $5K for a Colt AR15. The ammo was slower to go but .22Lr and .223 got wiped out pretty early on. 9mm was next and now pretty everything except the more expensive hunting stuff is gone.

was in a shop that had a six for section usually about 4 rifles deep. They had 6 M1A's and various out semi auto mag feed rifles. Some of that stuff would be there over a year or two. Everything was gone a few weeks later.

I think there are a lot of folks buying because it's the thing to do. Bumped into a couple guys who could even say exactly what they had bought. Soundedlike they just bought it "because". Then there's a few "I'll get it one day" folks who are buying in case that day doesnt come.

There's a lot of guns with crazy prices since this is a sellers market. Its makes for a good laugh when I hear the asking prices. I guess I cant really blame the guys but it's pretty crazy to see.

That is the way it is here in OK, but we are one of the states that has told the POTUS we don't support his views.

I have seen several stores that were down to just shot guns. The panic buying is in full swing.

Dan

A friend just got a colt ar for $3,000. Two years ago the guy who sold it to him paid 1200 for it. It's nuts in southern ohio boys

I really wish I could find even some of the higher end ammo.

Especially Hornady 75gr TAP .223. I wouldn't mind a couple hundred rounds of that for home defense. But no luck, not even online (at least from sellers I would deal with.)

Been wanting some boxes of that since before this whole thing happened, should have bought then. Hindsight is 20/20 I guess <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" />

I check a website that watches currents supply and prices on firearm related products. it's not brand or product specific but I don't want to break the deal spotting rule. mods let me know if it's cool to post.

I think it's OK to post the address; no different than mentioning Cheaper Than Dirt, Sportsmans' Guide, etc. You are not being product specific. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

cool!

you guys may want to check slickguns.com.

it's just a latest deal website but in the current environment it's good for finding items in stock. my advice is if you see something you want then don't wait too long. stuff goes pretty fast lately.

Went to Shooters today. They had some revolvers......but no ammo for them. I was looking for some 38SPL HP. Oh well, guess I'll have to defend with the evil Glock I bought last year. I had never fired it until today. I have plenty of 9mm. It worked. Ugly gun, but it shot well. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

What model did you buy Vic? Today I saw our LGS had Glock 19s again and even some Mini 14s! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/ooo.gif" alt="" />

Not one round of 22 lr or 223 there though...

Which one did you go to RN? I went to one the other day and the line was almost out the door so I didn't go in.

Glock 17 generation 4 or some such. It came with 3 17 rd magazines. That's a lot of firepower. It has the light rail so I have a light on it. If something goes bump in the night, the Glock is what I grab.

You might want to pick up an Apex Tactical extractor for that, Glock is now using metal injected molded extractors in all their pistols. Many people have experienced brass to face issues because of this, but even if you are not it could result in malfunctions.

I've got one in my Gen 4 and I can highly recommend it..... Apex just got the Gen 3 9mm extractors in stock, but the Gen 4 version will be back in stock soon according to their newsletter.

https://apextactical.com/store/product-info.php?pid67.html

I was talking to the guys at my gun shop. They were telling me that they have been getting calls from the U.S. asking if we have ammo and how to get it back across the border! Its not crazy up here, the shelves are still full of handguns rifles and shotguns, lots of ammo too. But they warned me that we are going to start running out because of U.S. demand!

This is one way to boost a sagging economy. People are spending like crazy because of this. While it may not be for mainstream items it certainly should have an effect.

Hoffmans. I went around 11 am yesturday and almost couldn't park. Could have knocked me over with a feather when I saw the Mini 14s there...they were almost $200 more than last month though..about $850 and up. Glock prices were same and they had a lot of 9mm ammo...not a lot of variety though.

I did see an AK and few black guns at BMGs a week or so ago, but the prices were sky high.

I'm a little torn on what to do/buy. I got in an order for a kel tec sub 2000 glock 17 model that will come in for a little over $300..but got no mags! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" /> I was waiting to buy them and waited too long. Can't imagine CT won't pass a 10 round mag max and reason I ordered the subbie was to have some fun with higher capacity! And I'm more interested in a glock 19 than the 17 but wouldn't have mag compatability! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/banghead.gif" alt="" />

I'll tell ya, I'm not the smartest buyer sometimes... <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/doh.gif" alt="" />

I just went to my LGS, they had a handful of black rifles on the wall still, and I got some (overpriced) glock mags in there too.

Their pistol counter was pretty full as well.

All their prices seemed pretty usual. Its an expensive store in general, but they are in the middle of a large city.

To get an idea of their prices, they had an FDE SCAR 17s with an ACOG on it for $4k recently (which was gone today.)

I tried my luck with them not long ago when they had the sale of the S&W AR with a few mags/ammo combo. They had about 100 of them and it was sold out long before I got in. All these panic buys are not helping us

I think the panic buying is helping in the sense that legislators are seeing exactly how many people want to buy and own guns.

When I went to my LGS earlier today it was packed in there, a bunch of first time gun buyers were being shown various pistols by the staff and how to use them for self defense.

I saw more young (20-something) women in there today than I ever have before, and they all had their IDs out and were buying.

You might be right in that sense. The issue is people can't find stuff that they want in stock anymore. No mags, no guns, no ammo....

well I didn't think it would happen so fast but the pistol cases are pretty much empty here. bass pro has a pretty long pistol counter and all but the top shelf of the center was completely empty. and whats crazy is that 10 minutes away there's a pawn shop that sells guns and they looked fully stocked. my guess is that nobody outside of the city is really familiar with this shop since it's pretty close to downtown. but they actually had some pretty decent prices that are much better than bp on the handguns and so far they had only doubled the prices on hicap rifles. even saw a large keltec box there and you don't really see any of the hicap keltec capable stuff anywhere right now. didn't see much even before all lf this...

From all this talk I have deduced that if you have not purchased your ammo by now...you are totally out of luck. I doubt things will get back to normal. When was the last time you saw a local Wal Mart that had shelves devoid of ammo?
This is new, ugly territory.

Relax. They are still making ammo. It will be back in stock soon.

They are still making guns too. It's that nothing is coming down the line to the shops. What's the bottleneck? Any idea?

my advice is to watch slickguns.com. there was some 7.62x39 up for a fair price.

but yes for the most part the ammo and most of the handguns and longuns will be the exact same. I can undestand the magazine rush and even people wanting the modern sporting rifles they been putting off getting. but why everything is selling out right now is simply just what people do when they panic. temporaily good for economy I guess...

this isn't by any means teotwawki so all this does make a good case for being more of a prepper. all it takes is some type of panic.

From what I heard, there is a large production backlog from distributors, so if one distributor is waiting for 2000 guns from one manufacturer, the 250 shops they supply won't see them until the order is complete.

As for reloading supplies and cheap ammo, apparently the govt isn't selling their spent brass to the open market like they are supposed to by law, and destroys it instead. If they don't feed at least the alloy back into the market to make new virgin brass, manufacturers could have a hard time even finding raw materials.

I think right now is a great time to start some more firearms and ammo companies. If you can get a loan from a bank that isn't against those kinds of companies. Come to think of it, might be a grand time to start a bank specifically for that purpose <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />

This was a lesson to me that supply can get wiped out incredibly fast. If there was a truly hairy situation brewing, the same would happen. Don't need too many days to really clear out stock...

There's a pretty large gun show here next week. Just drive over here. We'll go buy all the bullets and guns you want the sip on some Polygamy Porter. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

Utah?

Yes. Gallenson's gun shop is fully stocked on everything too. It is a local shop.

Lucky you. Pickings are kind of slim around here. Only thing I'm really looking for is a GP100.

Road trip! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

I'm getting ready to pick up a mini 14 at a price I don't like 'cause choices are slim! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/banghead.gif" alt="" />

I still just want a ruger 10/22, but can't find one anywhere and I'm just not paying the $75 transfer at my LGS. Plus they make me go through all kinds of bs and hoops when filling out the 4473 when transferring that I really don't need to.

So guess I'll wait and see if they are still legal when supply comes back in.

most 10/22s should still be legal regardless of a ban. a stock 10/22 doesn't have a pistol grip, threaded barrel, or muzzle device, or anything evil does it? since they only ship with 10 round mags it's the magazines you would have to be after. and i've seen the hotlips mags listed at a few places for about $10 more than usual.

when the first ban came about there wasnt near as many conversion stocks and parts available. please correct me if I'm wrong but if I'm understanding things you can still build you own firearms with all the "evil" parts if you want to. so if you buy a AR lower and build your own gun then it can be as evil as you want it to be. or am I missing something?

you guys probably know more about this stuff that me. so is it that you a company can't make evil guns and we wont be allowed to go into a store and buy one. but if you want to you can build one?

Our rulers can ban whatever they choose. I find it hard to believe that so many Americans are buying arms now just to turn them in later. Something our overlords might want to consider.

Somehow I don't think people will be turning them in.

Likely they already have considered this and will probably only use it as an excuse to slaughter more people.....

Think about it, surgical strikes with drones, aircraft carrier, jets or helicopters would make having guns a moot point in my eyes. Middle easterners have guns, but it didn't work out very well for them when our troops invaded..... <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/paperbag.gif" alt="" />

Well, the only reason I want to buy one is to convert it into something that would be considered evil after a hypothetical ban. So unless it is specifically allowed in any configuration, the one I want would still be banned.

Also I think there is some language in the proposed ban which would ban any semi auto rifle capable of accepting magazines with more than 10 rounds. That would be an evil feature, which a 10/22 clearly falls under. The devil is in the details.

No, I was not suggesting that American civilians could stand against the full might of the military. On the other hand, want to bet on who is left standing in Afghanistan in a few years? A few million patriots with rifles can create a lot of mischief. Judging by the empty shelves here in my area, somebody bought a lot of ammo, pistols, and rifles lately. Why did they do that?

Uhm ... They are still fighting us a decade later. We are pulling out, and they are still there doing what they do.

military might doesnt always prevail. there are plenty of examples of that throughout history.

whatever worst case scenario you can think of, it won't work out with a clear cut military vs. civilian conflict. the people aren't just gonna lay down. i reckon there would be plenty of organized groups and military separatism. which may be the reason why this UN arms treaty has been created.

real scary stuff.

a friend and i went to 5 gun shops on Fri,all but sold out..........knob creek rules......

Well, lets see.........Afghanistan has not fell and Alexander the Great, the British, the Russians, the Soviets, and now the United States have been there. What about Vietnam with the French, Japanese,the French again, and then the United States? What about the American Revolution? What about Andy Jackson at the Battle of New Orleans? Throughout history a smaller force has been able to defeat a more mighty military because the people fighting believed in the cause they were fighting for. I hope it doesn't come to this, but the United States would not be the "United States" if the Constitution is waded up and trampled on. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif" alt="" />

I have a stronger weapon than all the bullets or rifles ever made.

I have a vote. I, along with like minded people, can shape the future of these Great United States of America.

We just proved it in Illinois by blasting our lawmakers with phone calls and email on two gun issues a bit ago.

We need to rouse the sleeping majority to the dangers anytime the govermnet threatens to limit our freedoms/rights "for our own good."

Hay Jarhead, I have some friends on bikes that can swing by your place and tell you all about the church. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

Semper Fi

We should not underestimate our fellow Americans. Yes, there are those that will turn in their guns but I'm sure there are a few million that will tell Mr. O to stick his head in the toilet and flush it. Your idea of rulers baffles me, I don't answer to the king. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

Actually, I have met your friends already. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> Nice guys and sharp dressers.

this <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbup.gif" alt="" />

Near realtime tracking of who has ammo in stock.

www.gunbot.net

That's awesome lazi

OMG thank you Lazi.

Very cool indeed! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbup.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbup.gif" alt="" />

It sucks when you just want to go out and have some trigger fun in the woods, you cant find anything anymore. Not even steel cased 223, and I know our local AR shooters are afraid of the stuff

I'm afraid to shoot anything anymore for fear I can't replace the ammo...

I hear that. I'm down to my home-d loads on my 5.56 and a handful of 66 grainers. It really sucks because I have a new rail on my AK and I need to zero the buis that's built into it, but I don't have any ammo to do so. Haven't shot my .308 in over a year either.

I hate to think of replacing any ammo that I shoot too. The thing i I need to sight in a rifle, try out a shotgun, and do a little practice too. The anti-gunners will love it that I have to give the amount of money for replacement ammo but what is the worth of having it and not using it? That is what they want.

The Wal-Mart near us says that they receive ammo in regularly, but it sells out immediately. You have to be right there when they put it in the ammo case. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif" alt="" />

I was out shooting on Tuesday and probably had too much fun. Went to 3 stores and not one round of 22lr to be found!

Must be Squirrel season. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

NNNNNOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!

just watching those sites I posted it seems prices are getting closer to normal. .22 ammo shows up but still goes quickly. and the prices and back down to under $4 a box. not sure what shipping does to the price. don't want to add to the panic buying mindset but with all thats pending I suspect there will be another wave of panic buying before its all over.

I was lucky to score a few boxes of .45 at the local wally world. Tom's right, you have to be there right when they are unboxin' it.

My Walmart has been stripped bare for weeks

I would love to find ammo at a Wally World, or any place that isn't crazy on the shipping or price. I need some 12 ga rds to break in a new semi shotgun, got some but would like to put 250 through it before I trust it. All I can find here is bird shot. Oh well, that is life buying during a run.

Yep

Just got 350 rounds of 223 shipped a couple days ago. It was on backorder from Midway since DECEMBER!!!!!! Can't backorder anything now though....

Dang. Well How's the arrow supply?

No real run on arrows at the moment <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" /> Although I WILL need to get some more come next fall...broke one and lost another last outing...

I bought some buckshot the other day to break in a new semi 12ga. Man, that stuff has gone up like everything else. Hopefully this shotgun will run with the cheap Wally World ammo so I can blast for cheap again. I may become a shotgun shooter after all.

At SOME point people will have enough stockpiled and we can get back to normal <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

I sure hope so! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crossfingers.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crossfingers.gif" alt="" />

Well my brother and I had a discussion about BP firearms. I posted in the other forum about my thoughts on BP and being prepared. I think the ammo situation will finally smooth out and a supply chain restored again when the A** Bill falls flat on its butt and Frakenstien has to eat dirt. Hopefully, with continued pressure on Congress and the support of the Supreme Court this will pass and we can wake up from this nightmare we call life-----why can't people love the Constitution and follow it instead of making everything about government control?

Some people are so insecure, they cannot do any speaking without artificial help. They are also so insecure that the only way they can feel average is to become a tyrant, a dictator. Narcissism is a disease. Unfortunately it usually manifests itself in those who claim to serve others.

i've been thinking about that very point for a while skunk. i wonder what the prevalence of psychopathic or narcissistic personality types fill these jobs/career paths. you have to figure people like that are attracted to positions of power, as they have the most motivation to attain them. there should be tests for this.

Ever meet those who join all the right clubs, churches, and civic groups? They love attention. They love telling everyone else how to live and give each other various awards. Always the same people. The problem with electing our overlords is that the type of person who seeks such power is the last person you would want to have it. Maybe it should be more like jury duty rather than voting. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

i've thought about that as well. an interesting system would have those that are willing take the psychological qualification tests, then be entered into a lottery where they win a chance to help out with the country.

and they wouldn't be able to make a career out of it <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbup.gif" alt="" />

I liked Jim Hightowers idea (I think he was the first with it)- to have all elected officials wearing jackets like nascar drivers with donor names so you knew who had the vested interest...

On the topic of the thread- guy next door just told me he had luck scoring 556 ammo at 2 places this weekend- that's something!! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbup.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbup.gif" alt="" />

I bet you wish you had ordered more. You need to start socking away components for reloading. I can’t remember the last time I bought a box of 223 to feed my modern day firearm. I saw at the last gun show, 223 going for just over a buck a round. People paying those prices need to have a sit down with a shrink, that’s insane buying. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

I'm going to go out on a lim and say that will be a long time from now <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" />

With DHS ordering still more millions of rounds, ammo will still be in short supply for us peons.

I think it is a load of crap that the gov't is ordering so many rds for agencies within the borders of the US. Why?

Not seeing anything around here but then again I have not been looking real hard. I know most people are buying up what they can--some are storing, some are shooting, and others are flipping it for major money. It is a free-market but I am sure those who are flipping for a large amount really don't care about their fellow shooters or the Constitution of the US.

Who are the bullets for? According to the latest terrorism report taught at West Point, the gov't now fears the "Right Wing".

It says anti-federalists “espouse strong convictions regarding the federal government, believing it to be corrupt and tyrannical, with a natural tendency to intrude on individuals’ civil and constitutional rights. Finally, they support civil activism, individual freedoms, and self government. Extremists in the anti-federalist movement direct most their violence against the federal government and its proxies in law enforcement.”

Read more: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013.../#ixzz2MXcBwgre
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Thing is, I can't recall any major news stories about such violence from libertarians. But they are included in the laundry list of potential terrorists. What about Lord Obama's buddy, Bill Ayers? Left wing terrorists aren't even mentioned in the report. But DHS is stocking up on ammo for some reason to use on SOMEbody.

the cia/dhs released a report a long while back that stated once they had their business in gulf in the bag, they would turn their attention toward so called homegrown terrorism.

there is also potential hyperinflation on the horizon. if so, its not much of a coincidence. along with the ndaa and chipping away at the 2nd amendment.

you just have to take a look at what is happening elsewhere in the world to get a sense of problems that threaten to wash up on shore here. greece, portugal and bulgaria just to name a few have all had recent flashpoints.

I have the same fears, WW. They are definitely gearing up for civil unrest of some sort. The way Bernanke is pumping out dollars with QE Infinite (85 billion per month), we may see the death of the dollar. That would be catastrophic for all of us.

Keep working on your preps! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbup.gif" alt="" />

Maybe I should buy some silver coins.

if you can find 'em <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

That's what my brother in law is doing. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

FYI, 55 gr 556 rounds at Natchezss.com for $15/box. Pricey but in stock.

I need to add some silver but finding the coins is almost impossible around here. Guess the stash of ammo that I do have will be a currency.

What I really need as a prepper is one of my old M60A1 tanks, complete with armaments and ammo. They took off the turrets and dumped a bunch of them off shore here a few years ago to make artificial reefs for fish. Broke my heart. Why couldn't they give an old ex-tanker one for a keepsake? Now that DHS is buying armored cars (they call them tanks in this article), I need to upgrade to heavy armor.

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2013/03/...llet-stockpile/

Just stopped by local shop. They had at least 10 AR's. I pick up the only 6290 at 999. The others were "3rd tier" rifles. Price were same as before craze. A few glocks, no m&p's, and scarce ammo. I picked up 2 bricks of .22 things turning around?

Hope this is true for out here. I could use a few bricks of .22's.

I was on slick guns 20 minutes ago after work- said Gander Mountain had MP 15 Sports for $700+...while I was calling I refreshed and they came back as sold out! Oh well!

I am down to 150 rounds of 22lr and 50 of my lead free 9mm for the range! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif" alt="" />

Went ammo shopping 3-4x last week with no luck! Have 1000+ of 22 ordered with Cabelas and they think it will be in in 2 more weeks...that's after they though late February! D'oh!

congrats on the rifle luck!

at the height of the panic I saw a colt on consignment listed for $5K. looks like you just saved $4,000 by waiting. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />

Thanks, didn't need or really want. Just too good to pass up.
While I was there I saw the delivery guy make at least 5 trips to his truck. All the boxes were long, so I'm guessing rifles and shotguns. They said handguns were still scarce.

Supply chain starting to catch up.........the sad thing is that ammo needs to return ASAP. A rifle without ammo is an expensive and complicated club/spear.

Just the opposite here. Handguns are in good supply. It's the long guns that need to catch up.

Still no guns OR ammo in Taiwan...

But they got Knives AND Swords, a bunch of them! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

The WalMart near us still gets their dribbles of ammo three days a week. I picked up a few boxes of .30-06 and a Savage Axis in .223. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbup.gif" alt="" />

Went to cabelas member preview in Columbus Ohio. Total zoo but scored a couple hundred rounds of hollow points for the handguns. Nothing in .223 5.56 avalible though and no mags. Handled my first sig.... I need one now.

Oops, wrong thread, had to move it.

Oh and I found a gunshop in a hardware store the other day that had all kinds of ammo (cept 22) and it wasn't jacked up to bad.

I found .22cb but can't find .22lr <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" />

Ammo and some firearms are starting to appear in shops here, too. Maybe the panic buying will drop off soon.

The panic buying may drop off but the legislation is still going to go to the floor.

when I see chinamart selling .22 at a normal pace, then I know the panic buying is tapering off but here in Northern VA, it is crazy. The shelves are void of .22, 45acp. 9mm, 223, and 308. I see no end to the madness.

they couldnt keep .22lr bricks in the walmarts here even before the panic. it would be nice to get some 9mm. I also wouldn mind finding a box of .308 that's not $35-$40.

i managed to pick up a box of tula 7.62x39 jhp for $6 a box at academy. it a box per caliber limit and they had a good bit left so i may drop by and get another box when i pass there again in the morning. don't think I'll be in line when the doors open for one box though. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

I just ordered 250 rounds of 45acp from wisconsincartridge.com Came to about $28/box of 5o shipped. Not great, but hey, any port in a storm!

no 223 or 9mm. Just sold out of 45acp JHP. No more 30-06 either. Didn't check on 308 since I don't have a need.

Anyone else having any luck?

Tuesday I scored thre boxes of .44 Mag, then went through the front checkout with a box of 12 gauge buckshot. I just returned from there with two boxes of .30-06 and a box of 12 gauge "Defender" loads...a 12 gauge slug with three ))buckshot. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbup.gif" alt="" /> Plus, while I was gone a guy I met at WalMart called concerning trading me a few hundred .223 for some 9mm. He is supposed to call back, so I imagine I will be meeting him at WalMart tomorrow, waiting on their shipment. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

send some 223 love my way Tom! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />

D/T, I wish that I could! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

The new hang out is Dick's Sporting goods at 0-dark thirty. This early arrival will help you score a good spot in line with the ammo hounds. I have done it four times in the last two weeks and have scored on .22 and 38 special.

THis past Friday they had 223 in bulk for $410.00/1000 out the door. They also had value packs of 45acp. To score will require you to wait on average 2.5 hours in line.

I was at WalMart earlier and the Sporting Goods Department Manager said they may soon be limiting customers to only one (1) box of ammo a day! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/doh.gif" alt="" />

The limit at Walmart here is 3 boxes but since they don't have any in stock it's neither here nor there.

Saturday there was a group of about twelve of us waiting for the ammo to be put out; still a three box limit IF they had what you wanted! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif" alt="" />

I come home empty handed every time I go there to check. Could be just my luck.

There are just not enough ammo to go around.

lets hope things return to normal in a few months...

I think it will now that most of the legislation has taken a back seat.

Turns out not having time to shoot was a good thing for me.

I did order a new gun though, Glock 34. No estimate for arrival time. So I just have to wait and wait. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif" alt="" />

Picked up a couple boxes of 12 gauge slugs and one 00 buckshot. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbup.gif" alt="" />

I've been looking for .22lr for a while, and I've only found one place that had any. But I'm not paying $6/50 rounds for cheap .22lr, and that's not even the most expensive I've seen it. I'll just do without.

I've shot more 9mm in the past couple months than anything, and I'm about down to what I consider a bare minimum. So no more shooting for me for a while.

At least my wife got to practice enough to pass her CCW class. She got printed today and sent her paperwork off. Now it's just a waiting game.

It's all insane.

That's for sure! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif" alt="" />.. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/doh.gif" alt="" />

Our WalMart actually had .223 today! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif" alt="" /> I bought three boxes, then another guy and his buddy bought three boxes each which they sold to me for cost outside in the parking lot....they didn't want it, but bought it for me. I also traded him some 9mm for some .223 he had, so it was a good trip! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbup.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbup.gif" alt="" />

wah I never get that lucky. Finding .223 at normal price like that.

Nice buy Klinky!

Check this little mishap up. I'm on slickguns last night checking up on ARs- and lo and behold- CT, MA and NJ legal MP 15 Sport...the entry level AR I want at an ok price! I click on the site, one left in stock. Bam put it cart! Pow with credit card. Kapowie confirm buy! Then...I start reading more...CA is mentioned and bullet button. Wha? I run off to bath the kids. Since I buy the last one, I lose the screen they were on. I send in an email question and planned on calling from work- I get slammed and can't call. Come home to an email your gun shipped and why yes there is a bullet button! What a bullet button has to do with AR legality in CT, MA or NJ I do not know!

D'oh!! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/banghead.gif" alt="" /> Oh, I hope my FFL sells on gun broker!

I was close! So close!! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/doh.gif" alt="" />

Can it be converted?

I came home with 370 rounds of .223! We have to go to town tomorrow, which just happens to be "ammo day" at WalMart. I'm going to try my luck one more time! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crossfingers.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crossfingers.gif" alt="" />

Rich Check with our AR15 Pros here and you might even post a question on AR15.com to see if it is legal to get rid of that stupid button and put a real one on it.

What are you guys talking about? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" />

Magazine release button on the AR15 can not be depressed without using something "Pointed", usually the tip of a bullet.

That sucks! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif" alt="" />

This explains it Tom.

http://www.riflegear.com/p-58-ar15-bullet-button.aspx

As I previously stated............... <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbdn.gif" alt="" />

I agree. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/banghead.gif" alt="" />

<img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbdn.gif" alt="" />California law <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbdn.gif" alt="" />

Yup, but being the home base of Dianne Freakenstein and Nancy Baloney, what else would you expect.

congrats on your purchase! saw those on slickguns. looke like a good deal. and the bullet button looks like a easy fix...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DehBIy7xGsI


if you do ditch the m&p there's always the cz58.... <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

It should be an easy fix. Never done it myself, since I live in (what once was) free CO, but looks like it should just be a quick replace to a standard mag release and you're GTG.

Well, our WalMart went to only one box of ammo per customer! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/doh.gif" alt="" />

I had a couple confusing t/c's with the place I ordered it from, but ran the model number and what I came up with was a regular mp 15 sport, just having the pinned stock for CT. I hope that's correct! It will all be more of a surprise than I like come next week! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif" alt="" />

Then it will be the ammo and mag search! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/doh.gif" alt="" />

Well, either way when you get it, grab some mags, some ammo, scope it putta suppressor in it and go Wabbit hunting! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

Ammo is still nowhere to be found. Our state lawmakers is getting ready to put a "feel good" bill thru next week. I'm really kicking myself for not getting ammo/pmags/another AR15 when I got the chance...

Keep hunting! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbup.gif" alt="" />

Ammo availability at normal prices suck, but that is what I get for not having enough to keep me happy. I sure would love to find some reasonable ammo o I can shoot but it sure has made not going to the gun store and wanting new firearms easy.

To help off-set the urge, I ordered a couple of laser boresighters. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

Wowza, it's not even in the Hartford Courant yet..yeesh! This AR is supposed to arrive at the LGS Monday and they'll need to process it...clock is ticking!

My guess is they are going to push it thru as fast as they could like they did for the Safe Act in NY.

DT sent me a link for Midway on .22 for sale. Got me 1 bulk box of 500. You really need to hit Wallmart and Dick's SG every day and eraly AM. I have really been doing well on the .22, 45, and 38 special. The ammo is there but you need to be the early bird. Ammo requires work now a days.

Just picked up 3 boxes of 45 at my local gun shop today. THey were out of 22 and 9. Had some 223, but I wasn't gonna pay $.90 a round for regular FMJ ammo.... 45 was $26/box for PMC. Not too bad a price. Stopped by Walmart later...bare shelves galore....

Picked up a DPMS lower at the normal price yesterday. Seems like the supply is picking up. When I got there in the afternoon they still had about a dozen AR's left. Ammo is still in short supply but they said the supply line is starting to open up.

I'm not sure how true that is. Still no ammo anywhere around here and I've been looking. Keeping a stockpile isn't a bad idea anymore. Orders from Midway and Brownells is still up in the air. I'm only shooting .22LR only because I have a few bricks of 'em left.

Seems to me the gunbot website and slickguns was showing more available (if it was updated)....but at high prices...for 223...

Where do you get your ammo RN? I've tried everywhere...

there's a handful more gun/ammo finder websites around. I'm actually thinking of busing one myself that will badically pull a feed off the the others.

i still haven't bought any ammo online. seems like every time I want something the shipping is juat higher than I'm willing to pay.

I'm pretty hit. I haven't bought 22 in quantity in weeks, b/c I shoot at MSI I have to have lead only for 9mm or that herters nylon jacketed and it's been 1.5 months since I've found that at Cabela's. MSI was selling 50 round boxes of 22lr 1 per person per day..that's helped...

I was able to order some Herters .38 special at Cabela's but they limit 5 boxes per day so that won't last. Still kicking myself for not getting the .22LR bricks that i saw every time I walked by it last year...

Ammo is still tight around here. I'm HOPING that a couple of weeks or so of the "one box rule" at WalMart will loosen things up a bit. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crossfingers.gif" alt="" />

They have a 1 box rule where u are T? Still 3 boxes per day at Wally world here.

I guess 1 box is better than no box (how it is here since they don't have any).

They just started it this past week. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif" alt="" /> And here I thought WalMart was in business to sell things; silly me! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif" alt="" />

I don't know what's worse: having 1 box rule and be able to get 1 box or having 3 boxes rule and not able to buy any.

It's frustrating to see ammo available but told you can only buy one box! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/doh.gif" alt="" />

you can bring the wife, brother-in-law, cousin, second wife, second wife's brother, and sister to Walmart. That is 6 boxes of ammo in one trip!

can always try wearing disguises... <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

I think that is what Randy does! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

I HAVE taken the wife for that reason. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" /> And now, time to help with dinner, so see ya'll later! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbup.gif" alt="" />

Looks like the American people have spoken about what they think of all these proposed gun restrictions.

Does anyone think out lawmakers are listening?

I hope so. A lot of money is being spent buying firearm related items that might be banned because of this and a lot of tax revenue is being generated. This has got to hurt other industries because people are too busy buying firearms and ammo.

oh boy here it comes for Connecticut...

"Under the legislative leaders' grandfather clause for high-capacity magazines, owners would have to submit to what lawmakers believe may be the first state registration procedure ever imposed on magazines, an informed source said Monday. The way it would work, owners would have to declare officially how many magazines they possess with a capacity greater than 10 bullets.

Under the new system, the high-capacity magazines – for example, a 30-round magazine – could never be loaded with more than 10 bullets outside the home, with one exception: The large-capacity magazine could be fully loaded at a licensed shooting range, the source said."

here

Limit mags to 10 rounds and less? Ok, let's go this route.

Talk the criminals into it, convince all the mayors/govenors that their mutiple bodyguards can split those 10 rounds amounst themselves any way they want (only protecting one guy after all), and make sure all law enforcement officers follow these new rules, and I'll be all for it.

The newspapers where making all kinds of noise about the polls this and the polls that. Now that the fever has died down and level headed thinking has taken over, they aren't quoting the polls anymore.

If law enforcement officers are allowed to carry 10+ round magazines for self protection, shouldn't average Joe citizen be offered that same level of protection?

Even better, get rid of Bloomburgermeister's protection detail and let him protect himself with low capacity magazines. Same with Gov. Cuomo and Mayor Emamuel.

Give them the same protection as they offer me, a 911 call.

Pull all of the Capitol Hill police and make it all a gun free zone. That way no criminals will be allowed to have firearms. A since it's a declared gun free zone, the can issue batons to the police or just pull them all out and put them on the streets where the crime occurs. Then the Govenors, Mayors, Congressman/Congresswomen and Senate members can use 9111 like the rest of us.

I get rilled up, I get sloppy and misspell.

A buddy of mine is already thinking about leaving Connecticut. Let's hope this possible bill goes no where.

Here's a novel thought. How about enforcing the laws already on the books.

Hahahahaha had that's no fun Hobbes we need more laws to keep limits on good people.

As I sit and hold my guns mags and ammo saying yessss my precious <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

If it wasn't for the fact that the capitol police are a good bunch, I like this idea. All gun ban politicians should forgo any armed security. By their logic more guns near them, means there's a greater chance they'll get shot. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/doh.gif" alt="" />

I have split feelings about how all this should effect LEO out there. Several family members are in that line of work. Just like any other work place there are good and bad. And all I know are struggling with the choices being forced on them by government.

Here is the possible bill for us CT folks..

http://cthousegop.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/Press-Conference-Material-4-1-13.pdf

I am totally speechless.

Dang

There are too many don't-knows. What if you have a 30 round mag being ship to you as we speak? say the bill passes and your package is getting there next week? What if you order a ban item and they are flying to your FFL during the passing of the bill? Online ammo buying still ok?

I think I'm done tonight. Gonna cool my head off. Take care guys.

"Excuse me Officer but I noticed that you're carring a Glock 17. May I check your weapon to insure you don't have more that 10 rounds in the magazine?"

We need to vote these lawmakers out of office and bring in people who will honor the Bill of Rights. I served 22 years protecting this great contry from enemies "foreign and domestic". It's looking more and more likely that we have more to fear for the "domestic" enemies than the "foreign" enemies.

And yes, I classify anyone that does not uphold the Constitution and the Bill of Rights as domestic enemies.

I will laugh all the way to the gun store when all the crime is centered in the gun restricted states. A gun free state is a criminals dream.

Here's what I expect next, resticting knives to 2 inch or shorter blades because we don't want a knife wielding citizen hurting a gun toting criminal as they rob/rape/kill you.

Soon DHS will be kicking in our doors to save the nation from the terror of knives. Yep, I guess I'll be getting some of those "V For Vendetta" daggers. I can see the government press release now, "Dangerous veteran killed. Hundereds of knives, thousands of rounds of ammo, many guns, 10 versions of the bible and other hate literature found. This was definitely a bitter clinger."

It's coming. Last week a 4 star marine general issued a letter saying that the marine corp need to save ever round of ammo and every gallon of fuel in case they have to defend the citizens of the America against the DHS. Wild right!?!?!?! A high ranking army reserve general had also issued a similar letter to those under him.

America will not be taken over by a foreign government in an act of war. If it would ever fall it will be from our own government failing to do what it was designed to do.

My dad found 22lr!!!!!!

AMEN VIC! Now where do I get one of those masks. (I would get a cape, but only the super squirrel can wear one of those). <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

For those who are old enough...remember Soviet Union leader Nikita Kruschev? In touting how communism would defeat Democracy, he boldly stated "We will bury you without firing a shot!" <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/doh.gif" alt="" />.....sure seems headed in that direction! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif" alt="" />

Amazing isn't it!

I read where CT subjects will be required to produce "ammunition eligibility certificates" to buy ammo. No such certificates are required to steal it. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/doh.gif" alt="" />

It is ridiculous how the minds of law makers work. I can not fathom the stupidity, or self-empowered, ideas of these people--make them responsible just like the rest of us. If it is good enough for me, then it is good enough for them is the way I see it. I teach in a deprived and low-income district and we do it without being armed and only one armed security officer a day but we have many violent offenders walking around us everyday so they need to loose their security details too!

As to the ammo, I doubt that we will see anything on the shelves at a reasonable price for some time. Like Klink says, the idea of the US destroying itself is upon us and our enemies only had to invest in our government, take our skilled labor jobs, and send idiotic ideas here like we are seeing on a unprecedented level.

May the Lord keep vigilance over the US and hopefully we won't have to worry about a war with DHS, or any other group.

I read where DHS was taking delivery of some 2700 MRAP armored trucks. These big trucks are mine resistant and can stop a .50 cal round. They even have firing ports, like some old Soviet BRDM or BMP. Scary stuff. I hope the Marines and National Guard are on our side. I don't have any anti-armor capability. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/sad.gif" alt="" />

Well, I just picked up one of the last legal ARs in CT! I made it in by a hair. Happy to say no bullet button like I worried about- got the correct model! I'm hit on mags though...came with a 10 rd one and I grabbed a 30 round this weekend. After manana, only 10 rounders will be legal to buy here. Took an hour extra than normal to process the ppwk...the store was crazed and people are blowing up the state registry buying guns today.

Glad I got the firearm though! Its the Smith an Wesson MP 15 Sport. Seems like a well built firearm and I won't be using it a great deal, so it's a good fit for me.

Next..ammo! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbup.gif" alt="" />

Nice find. Hopefully one day people will regain their senses and gun rights will return to your state.

I really hope some of the pro-grun NE folks make there way down to VA before we get overwhelmed by the influx of MD/DC residents into Northern VA and start to lose our rights as well. Ironically, they are leaving crime ridden, economically struggling areas for a better place to live and work and then want to support the same policies that ruined their previous area. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" />

Yep and they have more than a thousand on order. Plus they now have enough ammo to shoot every American citizen 6 times!!!! I hope the DHS agents wake up and don't go against the people who they serve.

Good for you, RN. The M&P 15 Sport is a nice bare bones model. Mine was $699 out the door 18 months ago. No forward assist or dust cover, but it shoots as well as my more expensive ARs. It should serve you well.

Congratulations Rich! I hope that your state doesn't pass those stupid laws/bills.

The new Homeland Security Investigations (HSI) special agents are using them. Sure doesn't look like "investigations" to me. I guess they got tired of asking FBI for agents and decided to have their own.




They also have air units: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G3cCRrT5at8

More info: http://www.hongpong.com/archives/2012/04...s-great-justice

Maybe it's just me, but it the term "Homeland Security" still makes me think of Nazi Germany.

Scary, isn't it??!!? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif" alt="" />............. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/doh.gif" alt="" />

Youtube says the video doesn't exist.

The article (Hongpong) is scary, VERY scary. The "People" better wake up on one day it WILL be 1984!

Elect leaders with European ideology and you will get European type history. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" />

Thanks Vic- plenty of gun for me I think. You don't here a bad word about them from folks who own them. Good to hear a good word from an owner here too! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbup.gif" alt="" />

These are about as good as done I think. They are voting today and Gov wanted to take high capacity mags away, but said he'll sign this bill.

Well still, best of luck Rich. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crossfingers.gif" alt="" />

Wow, I did not know that I commanded such attention as the DHS needs 6 rds per person, armored vehicles, and "defense" rifles..............

And people wonder why I worry?

Fixed the video link. It is the same one from the article.

I found out about HSI because I met a young guy hinting that he was an agent at a friend's party (not sure if he was or just another contractor at DHS). I hope he wasn't because naive and arrogant is not what you want in someone with that kind of authority.

Info wars has lots of articles on this stuff right now

Looks like ammo is finally starting to make it way back on the shelves. Picked up some 5.56, 7.62 x .39 and .38 yesterday - limit 2 each. Funny thing is there was no limit on .357. The shop got a whole skid of that and you could buy as much as you want.

Still nothing here - no .22, no .38spc, no 9mm, no .45, and sure as hell no 5.56 or .223.

Still can't get any .22 but the rest is becoming available. I really feel for you KENKEN. What they did up there is just not right.

scary

It is crazy how 1 person can mess it up for this many people in today's world. I really hope this thing gets repel in court. You know it's only the first step towards total confiscation if the court doesn't shut down this Bill.

Yep. Things area heading in a dangerous direction for freedom loving people.

"Wait, I thought you promised this would prevent another massacre."

"Clearly we didn't restrict enough! Don't worry, we politicians know best..."

I hate knee jerk policies designed to showcase that politicians are doing something regardless of whether or not it has any actual connection to reality. America is the land of the empty gesture.

Good to see its trickling back in.

My gun shops have little ammo, but it goes fast. LEOs visited me yesterday to shop for guns and ammo. They are short, too. They have known me for years. We are a brotherhood. Yes, I accumulated a fair number of "Personal defense weapons. There was much alcohol and tobacco consumed. As of now, I can still do cauaual sales in my state. We had a little ATF party. I did what I could to help these honoable men. We all go back over 20 years. Mostly ammo, pistols, amd self dense rifles were in demand.

Vic, I am glad that you take care of your guys because someday they may have to take care of you. Personally, I would let loose only if I had an ample supply for myself and family. If officers have to wait on ammo it is a shame, but then again we are having to wait too. I understand where the guys in NY and other places that are limited feel that the LEO group should feel the impact like the rest of us.

got three boxes of tula 9mm at a walmart here. just stoppe in because I was passing by it. wasn't even thinking about ammo. they also has maybe 30 boxes of tula .223 for $5.47... wish it was x39 instead and I might run by there in the morning.

lazi! Buy it for me!!!!!!!

My uncles PD is scrambling to find the guns and ammo they need.
Homeland has screwed all the Law enforcment agency's. they bought up a large chunk of the calibers they need

Around here, the civilians are buying the most ammo, but our shortages last a few 'til the next shipment comes in. Pretty steady lately.

if everyone would take a breath and chill,we'd have ammo again and we wouldn't be jacking up the prices!

agreed

we are our own worst enemies. to quote Pogo we have seen the enemy and it is us!

No, it is the political leadership? that created all the concern in the first place!!!

I take it as a good sign gunbot is showing a bunch of 223 in stock...even the $1 or more a round stock would have been bought a month or two ago.

Hopefully the ammo producers will continue cranking it out. Eventually the panic will end, or people will realize they have no more room in their house/places to store it, and we can get back to shooting. It is a shame that the ammo manufacturers would not sell to the public first, then fill the DHS order. I wonder how the stock holders would feel if they knew that more money could have been made supplying the private sector instead of a bulk discount price to a despised government agency?

Just scored some 556 thanks to Kenken!

The largest company selling the the gov was federal.

Anytime This whole ammo shortage is gonna take a while to go back to normal. Maybe it's time to reload??

Managed a bulk box of federal 22 yesturday! Oh Happy Day!

And another box of federal...things are going to start happening to me now.

Lots of 9 there and mix of rifle calibers...girl at the store said the buy was much slower.

It's slowly coming back down here but there are still limits.

yeah 1 brick of 22 doesn't get us far. I wonder when they are going to lift that buying limit...

Not soon enough for me. I'm seriously depleted so it's longer than normal between range times.

I scored 225 rounds of 22lr at Walmart last night for $10. Limit one per customer...Oh well, at least I can shoot now.

I have 500 rounds of 9mm on backorder from Sinclairs--$15/50. Also have about 500 rounds of 223 on backorder from Cabelas. It'll be in someday....

45acp over at Dicks. $25/box. A little pricey, lots in stock. 38spc for $20 a box.

It is good that ammo is starting to show up everywhere but the amount of it still isn't catching up with demand. Maybe in a few months?

I would like to find a place where I could order 500--1000 rounds of .223!

I want ammo!

Don't we all~ I've been looking for some 357 mag but no luck so far

I just happened to be visiting my gun shop when a delivery of .223 came in. I bought 400 rds.

The local store I go to has a skid of .357 mag. They will sell you a case if you want it. Too bad everything else is limited.

am I crazy or did gun online gun prices prices drop overnight?

Hopefully we'll turn a corner now that the crazy bill got defeated.

Ammoman had some .357 mag the other day.

Hmm I still need .357 and .44 mag

I could use more .44 mag myself.

I almost ordered a passel of 44 the other day. Something like $0.40 a round.

Now I wish I did

A letter I sent to my Senator:

Senator Warner,

I am writing to express my disapproval of your vote to allow the latest gun control legislation to the floor. While heartened that you voted against the so-called "assault weapons" ban, I am nevertheless disappointed with your decision to vote in favor of strengthened background checks.

In an email response to me when I voiced my hope you would vote against the measure, you stated that you believed strengthened background checks were the best way to keep guns out of the hands of those that should not have them.

Unfortunately for those that support this position, there is no evidence that this bill would have any impact on gun violence. It is an empty gesture designed to showcase that concerned politicians are doing SOMETHING to demonstrate how concerned they are on the issue. Moreover, it is unclear precisely HOW this bill would have "strengthened" background checks. It is already a crime to purchase a gun for someone not allowed to have one. The VAST majority of all guns sold already go through a background check. Moreover, I am deeply concerned over provisions calling for increased federal databases of any sort--particularly those involving people's mental health records (what about HIPA privacy guarantees?).

I find this legislation distasteful and I deeply resent laws passed simply to allow politicians to be seen as "doing something."

You talked about how you support the Second Amendment. I would appreciate it if your actions reflected that support.

Violence IS a problem. The underlying problems in our society need to be addressed. Increased background checks are not the way to curb violence. That is simply a feel-good band aid. This law will not prevent the next school shooting. Nor will the next law, or the one after that. You and I both know that. This is a slippery slope--addressing the tool rather than cause--where the public is continually promised this law will solve our problems. When it inevitably doesn't we are led to believe that it was because it didn't go far enough; the next law (further restricting rights and/or imposing greater burdens on law-abiding citizens) will be stronger and more restrictive. Where does it end?

Criminals will not purchase guns legally. Those intent on ill-will will always find ways to circumvent the system, or they will find other weapons with which to vent their anger--like pressure cooker bombs. What about the man in Texas who slashed 14 people with a knife? Will we need background checks on knives? Will that curb knife violence?

Senator, the problem is not guns. It is not the law-abiding citizens who use the background check system. It will not be solved by treating the law-abiding gun owners like criminals.

Focus on violence in the media--tv, movies, music, and the internet. Focus on the breakdown of the family unit and the impact of divorce on children. Focus on understanding the root causes of bullying in the schools. Focus on the root causes of why our society is producing more violent people. Do not focus on the tools those violent people are using to carry out their attacks. That is misfocused, misdirected, and mistaken.

Do not unite with politicians seeking to appease the public with temporary, ill-advised, superficial approaches. Be better than that.

Regards

Maybe since the vote failed, ammo will be able to get back to normal....

Very well written letter DT.

+1!!! Great job D/T!

Excellent letter!

Well done DT!

can politicians even read? they don't seem to read the legislation they pass, so i wonder.

Perhaps we can get them to ban Pressure cookers so people get distracted getting pressure cookers and we can go back to buying ammo?

Yeah, I'm not sure the good Senator even read the last one. I'm sure this will fall on deaf ears...er...blind eyes as well.

pretty sure they can. just needs to have "Pay to the order off" in there somewhere and i'm sure it will perfect sense.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHHHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHHAHAAHA

Our Wal-Mart is back to three boxes per customer, and they seem to be getting a little more ammo on each truckload. Today they had a few boxes of .22LR, a fair amount of .45ACP, and .40 S&W, along with some 12 gauge loads and Tula .223.

Our Walmart gets very little. Yesterday they got 2 boxes of 22. I got one of them. Granted, it was 1000 rounds...

That's a big box DT! Good score.

Now if you just had a suppressed 22 you could run them through...

Nice score D/T!

I'm starting to notice some ammo at Wal-Mart too. Not enough for everyone to buy... I was able to score 3 boxes of 9mm the other day.

Our Walmart hasn't seen 9mm in a loooooong time. They laugh whenever I ask. Dicks Sporting Goods, on the other hand, seems to get it in at least once a week. I want a couple hundred more rounds and I'll feel comfortable enough with the supply I've got that I can start shooting again.

I have nearly run out of shooting supply. Never got down to the stash though. I plan to hit up my gun shop for .45 and 22 rounds this week.

Good luck JJ ! 45 should be easy enough. 22...maybe not so much...

Yes, folks are still scooping up the .22's.

Got a shipment notice from Rock River Arms. My lower parts kit is on it's way. One step closer to a custom AR.

Now if I could just find ammo.

Just keep on the hunt!

I keep looking but I'm not finding too much.

I'm hoping that some brass .223 and .44 mag. show up again soon.

I have a couple hundred rounds of 44 mag. I'm giving that along with my 629 to my son for his 21st birthday this Thursday. I think he will be a happy boy.

I think so too!

How are folks doing with ammo this week? Was able to get another bulk pack of 22 (thanks to kenken again!) and some 9mm.

Feeling a bit better about shooting a little more.

Got out and tried the new AR Thursday too! Not much due to ammo, but nice accuracy out of the box and ate 2 types of ammo with no problem.

ARs should eat any type of ammo in their caliber. But just like any other firearm, will be more accurate with a certain type or types.

Local shop is starting to get more in stock. Picked up some 5.56 and .22 mag yesterday.

was academy last night. had about 6 different types of .308 and all of them were $35 and up. knew or wasn't going to be cheap to shoot .308 but but man that's steep.

they were still doing the one box per caliber per customer thing so I got a box of tula 7.62x39 for $6.

may run by a couple stores today just to see what rifles they have onthe shelves.

Dicks Sporting Goods had steel cased 380 for $20/box of 50. I passed on that. Couldn't believe how steep that was!

Steel cases instead of Brass, In .380. Never heard of steel cases in that caliber.

I received my 1894 Marlin .44 mag. yesterday along with 300 rounds of ammo, but always on the lookout for more; along with brass-cased .223 and .22 LR.

This is definitely a good week. got a good amount of 9mm, some 38 specials, a few bricks of .22LR, and even 357mag!! Let's hope things get better and better from now on.

Here's hoping. .22LR is still in very short supply down here. Everything else seems to be available though.

WOW K2! I need to shop in your neck of the woods!

Trust me you don't. AR15s and 30 round mags are illegal since the beginning of the mouth...

I don't have an AR15 anyway.

Get one before they ban it! It is an awesome platform.

They're lots of fun. Everyone needs at least one AR.

A response from "my" Senator Tim Kaine. If he's yours too, you might consider this response:

Dear Mr. Harman:

Thank you for contacting me to share your views on proposals to reduce gun violence. I would like to provide some additional information on this important issue.

No one can deny that gun violence is a serious problem in this country today. We owe it to the victims of the growing number of mass shootings to vigorously debate specific and comprehensive proposals that can keep our communities safer. The right approach focuses on many issues - improvements to the mental health system, better security protocols and common sense rules about gun use, including keeping firearms out of the hands of dangerous individuals.

On the sixth anniversary of the horrible shootings at Virginia Tech, I took to the Senate floor to remember the 32 Hokies who lost their lives. The tragedy happened after a dangerous young man illegally purchased weapons due to flaws in the background records check system. I was pleased to cast my vote on April 17, 2013, in support of S. 649, the Safe Communities, Safe Schools Act legislation, which included tougher laws on gun trafficking and straw purchases, and ways to improve safety in schools. I also voted in support of a bipartisan proposal to expand background checks on gun laws, but unfortunately a filibuster of this measure prevented it from passing. I also voted for a ban on large-capacity magazines, and for a proposal to ban combat-style weapons. I am disappointed a minority of the Senate chose to use the filibuster to block common-sense reforms.

As your U.S. Senator, I will continue to work to bring that kind of comprehensive approach that will strengthen the safety of our communities, while protecting our Second Amendment rights. As a gun owner who worked with others to constitutionally guarantee Virginians the right to hunt, I know that you can be a strong supporter of the Second Amendment without tolerating the gun tragedies that are too often a part of our daily lives.

Thank you once again for contacting me.

Sounds like he needs to be replaced in the next election.

In case anyone was interested, I'll not be buying anything GE again:

GE Capital Cuts Funding to Gun Stores

I am not at all surprised. At least you got a response from Sen Kaine. I sent them both emails and only Sen Warner sent me this:



Warner is at least still opposing bans and his history prior to this has been good. I think with the right encouragement he would vote to uphold gun rights.

Picked up three boxes of .223 at Wal-Mart today, but no .22 or .44 ammo.

I dunno wrxguyusa, I got that same response from Warners office too...the day after he voted in favor of the latest congressional efforts to punish law abiding citizens for criminals actions.

Libs poo-poo the NRA proposal to put armed guards or allowing armed teachers in our schools. But they think nothing of armed bank guards, armed guards and metal detectors in all federal/state buildings, and paying for a host of personal armed guards details for government officials.

Should I deduce that they value their money, judges and politicians more that their own kids?

Don’t those same politicians see the run on ammo and firearms from the American people? Does that seem like behavior of a society that is in favor of more gun control or less?

They didn’t listen to the vast majority of Americans that said “NO” to bank and auto bail-outs. Apparently we were too stupid to understand the ramifications of not giving billions to financially irresponsible institutions with little to no oversight. Turns out we knew better than they did.

Now, apparently we Americans are also too stupid to believe that the Constitution of the United States is the true law of this great country. These idiots that can’t even come up with a budget in what is it now, 3 or 4 years, now feel that they are responsible to protect us from criminal by passing laws that restrict our Constitutionally guaranteed rights. Criminals aren’t shaking in there sneakers (if they are, it’s from laughter), but knowledgeable law abiding citizens better tighten their laces before their boots come off.

We need to vote these bums out.

amen!

+1 to that!..^^^

Singing to the choir brother. I agree!

Well, a short time ago I ordered some .30 carbine and .44 mag. ammo.

Ordered a few bulk boxes of Blazer .22 LR.

Cabelas has herters 223 online for like $6/7 a box- 5 box limit.

Don't know how it is but 35 cents a round is a nice change!

Not bad for steel-cased ammo, but I'm looking for brass cases myself.

I find myself in the awkward position of having too much brass cased 223

The steel cased Herters wasn't too appealing to me...

D/T, you old Dog!

bought a box of monarch steel cased .308 yesterday for $13. i may go back for another box today. since anything with brass is priced at $30+ i figure i should at least try some in my m1a.

How does the steel perform in a m1a?

havent shot any in mine. i see mixed reviews on various forums. some guys say they would never do it. but this is lacquer coated steel... will probably only run a couple mags worth. if it shoots fine then I'll get a couple boxes to keep in the ammo case.

Good plan

I'll stick with brass cases.

AMEN!

Preaching to the choir?

I found some dies for my 45-70 and small rifle primers both at BC(before crazyness) prices. I also picked up a box of pmc 223 brass for 10 bucks one box limit. Things are getting better but still not great and no 22lr to be seen.

22 I can find regularly but that's about it. 9 38 45 and 357 occasionally. No 223...

Picked up 2 - 100 count boxes of Tula .223 yesterday for $30 a box. LGS had a skid but were limiting to 2 boxes. They also had everything else you mentioned DT except for 22.

I want some more steel .223 for my AK

I think someone posted yesterday that Cabelas had it. Don't know if they still do.

Yep- just ordered another 100.

These regional differences are odd- DT, you can find 22?? I saw someone from Canada on BF post recently they had no problems with 22 either.

They are odd. 22 is out the door as soon as it hits the shelf. Everything else I can get.

They also had 30 round pmags in stock at $12.99. No limit.

That's something! 'Course they are illegal here now! Could have used a few 20 rounders...

No 20's, just boxes and boxes of 30's.

Pretty well stocked on everything but 22lr. I've got 3,000 rounds left but won't touch em till I can get more

I'll be glad when I start seeing brass .308 it for under $20 a box. lately all they have is $35 and up.

picked up my 7.62x39 rifle yesterday. need to hunt down some brass for that. the shop i bought it from was in a smaller city but they had pretty good stock on firearms. saw plenty of ARs and AKs. i also saw a RFB and couple KSGs. I didn't have enough time to check everything out but it was good to see that things are getting back to normal.

Still a long way to go though!

Amen!

Our Wal-Mart does seem to be receiving slightly more ammo in their shipments, but brass .223 is still pretty scarce.

Didn't say 22 was plentiful, but if I hit the Sporting Goods Store at the right time I can usually get a few hundred rounds. I've picked up 4k or so over the past month.

Just got in several hundred brass cased 223 I had on back order at Cabelas for several months with more on the way. I'll be unloading some of it since I wasn't expecting it in right now and I need to pay off the bill

I'm down to less than 200 rounds of .22lr, and 100 rounds of .22 short. I'm afraid to shoot any at all, but the shorts work just fine in my old single shot rifles.

Works great for plinking, not so good for killin' stuff LOL

I think that D/T needs to send some of that brass .223 my way!

You have bought 4k in 22lr in the last month?! You are one incredible shopper!

I'm about at 1k and happy to have pushed back up to that!

Okay DT maybe you should shop me me and my dad lol

I dont have as much as I would like to.

No one ever does

Amen to THAT!

i managed to get a few boxes of 7.62x39 and some .308 this week. lucked up and wally had brass x39 but somebody else was scooping up the 3 box limit so it was all gone when i went back. will probably get a few more boxes of steel cased x39 today. they are still doing one box per caliber and three boxes max at the academy here but the little pile they have is growing.

not seeing any handgun ammo. i may hit a few shops today just to see whats new.

Centerfire is not doing to badly around here, but Haven't seen any 22 for about three weeks.

When up near Kansas City I checked two different Wal-Marts and Bass Pro Shops...NO .223, .22's, and very little of most everything else.

It made me laugh

Come a visiting and we will hook ya up with .223 I see it fairly often. 22 on the other hand isn't as easy to find

Well, maybe we should work out a trade There seems to be ample 22 this way (if you catch the truck as it's getting unloaded).

Weird how these regional differences develop.

The local small fart still didnt have anything this week other than some .270 and some shotgun shells

Well, supply is picking up pretty good around here. I sent my son to pick up some ammo yesterday and he came home with a brick of .22, some .223 and 7.62 x .39.

Been having good luck with 223 around here and via mail-order. 22 is still rough. Been ordering 50 rounds at a pop here and there with Cabelas...but ooosh- I want some bulk federal! And some 9mm I can use at my range.

Although I have to say, I've been shooting better even though I'm shooting less.

We shoot lots of 22lr with the kids - I think it's the best introductory round (after BB guns). Luckily, I can shoot in the back of the property here down by the creek. Just has to be 100ft from the house here out in the county.

Oh happy day! Was just able to order 200 rounds of nylon jacketed 9mm I can use at my indoor range!! Finally!!!!!! I've shot a grand total of 50 rounds of 9 in the last 2-3 months...

Been also chipping away at 22lr with a local Cabelas...50 rounds at a time online, but I've gotten a good 1000
+ rounds that way. Although I was surprised to see my CZ rifle didn't shoot cci segmented 22lr well at all...I thought I could put a rock in that rifle and it would shoot straight!

Some .22's are showing up at our Wal-Mart; a friend picked up a 1,000 round box the other day.

Good signs I just hope it keeps up.

For sure!

i traded off 1000 rounds of 9mm for a couple of andy roy's knives...should be getting them today

WHAT!

Saw a Beretta storm 9mmrifle the other day. First one I'd seen, neat rifle!

They look like a cool little carbine

They sure feel nice. Balance REAL well.

randy..check my facebook page...i posted a pic...no busse content so no posts here

Will Do, IF I don't forget!

Old age flaring up again Randy?

Flaring up? Nah, it's kind homesteaded!

I hear that it can be rough.

Does anyone have a 303 savage?

I'm still waiting on a Marlin 1895 that I ordered from a local dealer.

Ahhh the good old hurry up and wait

I don't know about GOOD, but it sure gets OLD quickly!

.303 Savage is a decent hunting round if you reload.

Klink, what model 1895 are you waiting for?

As to knowing what is out there I have messed up royally. During the lack of ammo I started shooting BP firearms again. Since then I have hardly fired a center-fire or rimfire but have been to the range several times. I don't even look much at the stuff at a store anymore unless it is a single shot, antique or BP. Sad but I am having a lot of fun with the smell of sulpher smelling guns.

Jeff, I'm waiting for the classic model 1895 with the 22" barrel. I would love to get the Cowboy model with the 26" barrel but it co$t$ too much when you can find one.

Nothing wrong with black powder firearms; I have a T/C Hawken myself.

I have a cva buckhorn magnum i picked up for $50

no powder or bullets so it is basically a long paper weight

I bet that you coul;d probably find some powder and bullets. Man, $50.00....what a DEAL!!!

I have. A T/C Hawken in 50 cal

So do I Bill! They are nice b/p rifles.

My one brother has a modern Kentucky long rifle in 50 cal, that stock design throws all the recoil into your face
I am not a fan of that design
My other brother has one of those modern online models
Nice rifle but hardly black powder

Should say in-line models

Klink, I wish I would have got a Cowboy when the getting was good. Like you, I can't justify the prices they are bringing this day and time.

As to BP, T/C makes some good guns. I have had a few in the past but these days I am into the real primitive rock sparkers!

I have an 1895 cowboy and a stainless with laminate grey stock guide gun. The cowboy is nice but I honestly don't shoot it much. Just doesn't get the same love.

Nothing worse than an 1895 not being used! ..........

Somehow my dad convinced me to load up some hotter loads for the 1895. 405 grains needs to be loved with cowboy loads...oh my tiny aching shoulder!

Even a bit stout for a super squirrel

Sell me that Cowboy model and I'll try it out for size. ....

I stopped by our WalMart yesterday, and although they didn't have any .22's on hand or on the truck, they DID have a good variety of other ammo. I saw everythiing from .22-.250 to .300 magnums, even several boxes of .308. Good variety of pistol as well.

yup, its too bad we can't curse on this forum... if you've seen the news today you probably know what i'm talking about.




guess i'm headed out to buy some ammo. anybody care to join me in this next round of panic buying?

Sad but true, and I'm sure you're not alone.