Anybody Else Hoarding AR Lowers and Hi-Cap Mags???

Hi guys,

You may have noticed I haven't been around much lately. Don't worry though, my love for the Yard is still strong and this is still my favorite website.

The thing that has been keeping me busy as of late is that I have been trying to locate and buy all of the new stripped AR lower receivers that I can find that haven't been marked up to the moon. Same goes for 30 round magazines. Heck two months ago you could buy stripped lowers from just about anybody for anywhere from $99-$135 a piece. Now people are selling stripped Essential Arms, DPMS and Stag lowers for $200 to $250 each and they aren't having any problem getting that much. All three of those lowers could be bought for $100 or less two months ago.

Magazines are just as bad. Magpul PMAGs are alomst impossible to get in 20 or 30 round. Brownells has a back ordered list that is over 20,000 magazines long and they are getting something like a thousand mags every couple of days from Magpul. Still can't keep up with demand!

Almost every dealer who deals with AR stuff is out of everything, and the slimebags are starting to come out as well. The dealers that are raising their prices to ridiculous levels when they get a hard to find item in stock. Yep, in times like these you find out who the "Good Guys" are.

I am not really in need of any more ARs, I just don't want to get caught in a situation where I CAN'T build one because of OBAMA-nation, so I figure I better stock up on lower receivers and Hi-Cap mags while I can where I can. The other parts should still be available even after a ban is put in place. Just like with the earlier ban in the 90's, you could still buy parts, just not lower receivers since that is what they consider a "firearm".

That's the great thing about ScrapYard knives, we may have to wait for a certain model to come out from time to time, but at least we know that when it does it will be offered at an awesome price point for what you're getting. San Busse has never used the fact that his knives are limited production just to drive the price up...(there are plenty of individuals that do though), instead, he just offers great knives at great prices.

Thanks Again Dan for the excellent job you do at bringing us great blades that are affordable! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbup.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbup.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbup.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbup.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbup.gif" alt="" />

Oh well, I just thought I would rant a little, I knew you guys would understand.

well, they're always limited so we don't know what point he'd drive them up from and assuming that point exists we don't know it's not well below what he charges. of course, i don't believe that, just a statement for consideration. all these knives rock and they're worth every penny.

i'd love a Garand Guy premium grade. he's pretty close to me, i just gotta get on with jumping through NJ's hoops.

Yep, NJ isn't the most gun friendly state.

I'm not afraid of Obama with respect to firearms, but I do recognize that panic buying has run the prices up.

No firearms here...These aren't the droids you're looking for. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif" alt="" />

I think the panic buying and artificial inflation is disgusting. I understand it but I think it's disgusting.

I'm not very tolerant of any threats to my Second Amendment rights so I tend to get a bit prickly very quickly.

At least we go Heller vs. DC in 2008.

High quality, hi cap mags are always in season.

The lowers are a bit of crap shoot. If another "assault weapons" ban is passed, the mechanics of what is OK or not is OK is subject to political whims. They could say any receiver must be 10 years old to meet the new "pre-ban" requirements. In fact they could use the original pre-ban/post-ban cutoff date.

Not that I would discourage investment in a few receivers, just realize there is risk. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

Did all my hoarding months ago on those items. Presently just after SY knives. Yes- I also believe it is the best buy going !! Thanks SY !! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbup.gif" alt="" />

I would love to have a lower with the ScrapYard Logo on it. Now that would be cool!

It would also be nice if ammo prices came back down a little bit. now that gas is $1.35 a gallon here locally I have a little extra to spend on knives and ammo. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

I was at Crossroads of the West this weekend and was disgusted at the prices dealers were charging. Almost impossible to find an AK under $700.

I did manage to pick up this in a trade with a friend.

AMMO...AMMO...AMMO...AMMO...AMMO...can't have enough AMMO <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbup.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbup.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbup.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

I'm researching before buying my first rifle, possibly an AK. I see where kits are available from Eastern Europe and they don't include the 'receiver' which has to be bought separately. When you talk about an AR 'lower' is that the same as the receiver on an AK?

Well I recently bought 2 AR15 lowers and 1 AR10 lower. As for Mags, that is not an issue as I live in Cali however my wife is from Oregon and we do go up there a couple of times a year at which point I buy a few mags.

The "lower" is the receiver plus some critical hardware like the trigger group and magazine retention.

A firearm's receiver is the foundation to which all other parts attach. According to the federal government, for most practical purposes the receiver is the firearm no matter how many parts you've changed or tweaks you've made. If you buy an AK-47 minus the receiver, what you'll get is a barrel, stock, gas piston, bolt, etc etc, a whole AK-47 in pieces, but nothing to actually put it all into: thus making it a box of replacement parts rather than a firearm. Big loophole.

This is also the reason why Tolly is looking to buy up spare lowers: if the AR-15 is banned as an "assault weapon", nobody will be making new receivers/lowers because the receiver is the firearm according to the feds. But "replacement" furniture and barrels and everything else you need to finish the rifle is a different matter.

I have a few but I got them before Obama was elected.

I seriously don't think there will be another AWB. The democrats are in a good position right now, they are not going to let a ban destory their seats like it did on the last AWB.

If it does sometime in the coming years I'll still have enough "collection" to get me around.

as for the PMAGs...well you can never have enough! 50 mags are nothing when you have 250, 250 are nothing when you have over 500... <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />

I've been buying a couple of boxes every two weeks.

I don't think one will happen right away, I think Obama will hold true to working on the economy but I can almost guarantee you there will be one before he is done. Somthing is bound to happen, either another school shooting (God forbid) or something and the next thing you know another AWB will be in place. I will say that the one thing possitive about living in California is that I am used to living with an AWB so it really shouldn't affect me too much. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/loopy.gif" alt="" />

I agree, I think Obama has way too much on his plate right now and if anything happens it will not be for a while. Besides, I'm still convinced that the majority of the hype comes from gun dealers themselves to help boost sales. I say this of course only after i bought into the hype myself.

Well I don't know if I would say it is buying into the hype more than a justification to make another purchase. "Honey, I really need to buy this gun now babe before they ban it, pleaseeeeeeee" and us as comsumers find confort in that justification, I mean I don't need another gun, I want one, so by me telling myself that I better get it now or else helps me justify spending the money <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

Well said Sir

why thank you, at least that type of thinking helps put my mind at ease <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

Not really, but I did score a 30 round mag for my M1A at a recent gun show. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" />

I learned my lesson from the Clinton AWB. As soon as it sunset I made a commitment to aquire the equipment I would need to handle about any emergency/disaster, natural or manmade that would come along. That's whay I'm here. After evaluating my equipment I relized I was lacking in high quality knives. I've spent the last year and half to two years correcting that.

I'm in great shape on knives now <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />. Problem is Dan keeps building knives I think need to be added to the list.

That was pretty much how it started for me, I just can't seem to stop it now <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/doh.gif" alt="" />but then I really don't want to <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

I know what you mean SB. What should have been a three knife purchase has turned into 1 Busse Combat, 2 Swamprats and 8 Scrapyards <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/doh.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/bowdown.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />, and I'm sure Dan will offer something else in the near future that I won't be able to say no to.

I have been very lucky to run across a case of mil/leo 30 round AR-15 mags with green followers. I kept 20 and sold the rest. When I am out I pick up P-Mags if they have them and now I am at about 10. You can NEVER have enough high quality mags. I have re-directed my efforts away from knives. (don't get me wrong...I still buy knives but not in the numbers as before) I have picked up a mini 30 and have been looking for mags and ammo there. I am also on a quest for a few M1A's. They are few and far between but the "price gougers" are killing me. I have found a few but I refuse to pay the insane prices. I will wait till I find one from a stand up retailer. There are out there..... just have to stay the course.

Not to burst anyone's bubble on the whole gun ban idea but..........it is all ready here. Do some research. I will provide these links. It makes for some scary reading. The first link is a ton of propaganda however it prompted me to research more and what I found is pretty disturbing. The second link is directly from gov trac.us. It is ALL READY IN THE HOUSE!!! I know you can argue the second link all you want but look at who is coming in office. Our soon to be vice president wrote the first ban under Clinton. You do the math. We are basically looking at a possible ban that includes semi auto pistols as well......look at the bill!!

http://www.gunbanobama.com/Default.aspx?NavGuid=ba32212b-4f2e-4bc6-b19e-55a9b98de651

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=h110-1022

The notion of "assault weapons" is kind of silly in my book. Granted not everybody has need of a machinegun or a pair of Uzis, but ... pistol grips? Flash hiders? How much difference does that make to anything. And "high capacity" magazines. The entire point of a replaceable magazine is that it can be done quickly. If you have 10 ready rounds you can still make up to 10 kills, swap mags, and within seconds have another 10 rounds. From a practical standpoint, limiting people to only owning 10-round magazines does not prevent them from having the potential of causing serious Situations.

People who want to go on a shooting spree will not be prevented from doing so if their weapon does not have the best possible features... and those who do not want to go on a shooting spree will not be inspired to by having those features.

It is all about the 2nd amendment.

well said guys, The sad thing is the "sheeple" do not understand that we are much much deadlier with a bolt action scoped gun than an AR15 <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />

my over time hours are going to AK's and 7.62

people ask me why i would need a gun that holds 30 rounds of ammo and i ask them why they need cars that do 160 and bikes that do 200 when the speed limit is 65 in most places,70-75 max.should we ban them too??cars killed more people than guns every year so..............

people also say their is no need for a gun that is only meant to kill humans,the fact is that sometimes some humans need killin,especially ones that invade your home and try to kill you.

Obama wont do anything regarding guns right away.most likely to happen during his second term,thats right i said second term.with the dems being the majority now him,princess palosi and all the bleeding hearts wont be able to help themselves and will end up screwing the pooch.pretty much what george dubya and the GOP just got done doing.

my biggest fear is that their wont be a "sunset" on the next ban like we had on the last or if their is one we will have a democratic president who will sign it into action again.

i also think that if we give them an inch they will take a mile.i fear that anything we loose will be gone forever.
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i cringe every time some ------- does something horrific with a pistol or assault rifle and it makes the headlines.

its going to be one of those cases that seals the deal on a chunk of our second ammendment once we are not the majority and the sheeple end up running whats left of america.we are turning into the great britian we fought so hard to escape from 300 years ago and guess what??....their aint no where else to run this time.we're not going to find another huge north american piece of land to start a new country on.

my other biggest fear is that the day will come when i am no longer proud of my country because the country i was once proud of disappeared over night.

thats my view point as american.i realize some members here arent from the US and would be interested to hear your view points on our 2nd ammendment vs. your countries stance on firearms,particularly assault rifles and pistols.

here's how i look at it and i got this saying from one of the guys at the busse forums signature

"A pistol defends your property and your person from unanticipated and barely anticipated threats from thieves and robbers. With it, you can control your immediate environment. A rifle defends your freedom from oppressors and tyrants. With it, you can enforce your will." -- Gabe Suarez

thats what the hell i'm talking about.a couple goons with rifles and something to fight for can make a serious impact should such an impact be needed.just look what these goons in afghanistan,iraq and somolia accomplish against the mightiest and most technologically advanced country in the history of earth itself.

hopefully america or any of our allies ever get to that place but i join a jihad for the 2nd amendment any day and i'd do it over the first because when you have the 2nd amendment the 1st almost comes automatically.who's gonna tell a guy with an AK what to say and where to say it.

SHHHHHHH Don't tell them because they will ban those too <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/banghead.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

Northern1...I've been spending a lot of time at warriortalk.com and am trying to figure out the best way to purchase my first rifle, which will be an AK. Let me know if you see any good deals. Since you mentioned Gabe, do you own any Fuller built AKs or do you build your own?

It's threads like this that spread the panic and make things worst.

Obama isn't even in office and the gun propaganda is out. Just chill and
give the guy a chance, if he does something in office you don't like,
then cry <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbdn.gif" alt="" />

No offense WD, but it's threads like these that may wake up some sleeping folks who have no clue as to his stance on our Second Amendment rights.

Obama's voting record on RKBA speaks for itself.

Give the guy a chance, indeed. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif" alt="" />

Man I was watching the Brenda Ann Spencer case on TV last night and I got pretty sick. GD .22's.

I agree with Northern 1 100% call me when the time comes.
Dan Dan Dan you didn't vote for him ....did you?
I will give anyone a chance but I fear the worst, pray for peace prepare for war.
I have been prepared for 10 years....buahahahaha

this could get very political, I won't go there, not the place for it.
I will say open your mind, think for yourself and don't believe the propaganda...

All I have to say is that I will vote for Dan, Jerry or maybe Eric <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbup.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" />

I wouldn't call it hoarding, but I do have two AR-15s and a fair amount of ammo. I have had these for years for a "Just in case" scenario, as happened after hurricane Katrina. As for Obama, I am suspicious of him because of his previous anti-gun opinions (before he ran for President). We'll just have to wait and see. If the nation goes into a depression similar to the one in the 1930s, I think there will likely be more social unrest than there was then. It is possible that citizens may have to defend themselves against well-armed gangsters, but I hope that is not the case. All I can do is prepare for the worst and hope for the best.

Isn't that what we are all preparing for Horn Dog <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> As for Obama I will give him a chance but I am nervous.

Take it to the 'death chat' or ban the words Obama, Chicago, gangstas...

Oh dear, did we offend your little ears? Obama happens to be his name. I'm hoping he'll do good job and not mess with our guns. But even under Bush, I continued to acquire high cap magazines and ammo. You just never know what could happen regardless of who is President.

So you are smack dab in the middle HD, a diplomat, and that's OKfine. I would appreciate that we keep all discussions of 'politicians' off this forum if at all possible, unless it's the Death Chat. Too much to ask?

I'm sorry. I didn't realize it was your forum.

No offense Rackemup, but it isn't your place to make that decision. Furthermore, I believe all of our fellow "Dogs" here in the Yard can have intelligent discussions in a thread such as this without having it degrade into bashfest such as it might on other forums.

Our second amendment rights should be taken very seriously, and everyone should be VERY concerned about those who want to change it.

I ask that everyone please keep this thread civil so that it doesn't get shut down. Don't turn it into something that it isn't.

***A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, [color:"red"]the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.[/color]***

See it has all ready begun......someone who wants to shut down my constitutional rights.... now its free speech!!!! I have, as well as everyone else on this forum, has a right to voice our concerns for our constitutional freedoms. We are only stating facts that have been proven in Obama's voting past. Rackemup you have no right to tell me or anyone else what we can or can't talk about. If you don't like it then don't read it. This has been a very passive thread. I would advise you to look at the voting history and judge for yourself.

As an NRA Life member and former tanker myself, I say "amen".

well
all i can say is someone is hoarding them.i have sold over 150 ar's in 3 weeks

and i fear the shady gangsters in chicago.

for a second there i thought rackemup was a new moderator.

if there is any knife forum on the web where there can be an intelligent and mature discussion had even on a touchy subject like this its the YARD.

i will give him a chance since i have no choice but that doesnt mean i wont worry.he is so anti 2nd amendment that the price of ammo and arms has doubled and he's not even in office yet so already he's had a negative effect on our 2nd amendment imo and he hasnt even lifted a finger

So... I think it would be logical to say that Vance is a firearms dealer. Are we talking brick-n-mortar, or an internet store?

And why is it that the AR-15 holds such an amazing fascination on people, when you can buy pretty good rifles at a much lower price...

I think one reason is because it is a rifle that the average guy can easily build himself, and they are almost endlessly customizable. I can't think of a firearm that can be configured in so many different ways.

The platform is just ideal for a "fun gun". Just think, you can buy or build a complete lower, and then buy all kinds of different uppers with different barrel lengths, rail systems, optics, accesories, and even chambered for different cartridges. You can shoot all of those different uppers off of the one lower versus having to buy an entire rifle for every different combonation. Oh yeah, and it only takes about thirty seconds to change them out.

Personally, I don't see what's not to like about the AR platform.

Guns don't kill people, people kill people!!! That is what we have to remember here. Sheeple have lost that idea from their common sense area in there brain!! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> It all begins with proper firearm training and good public out reach.

The AR platform is a great platform as described by Tolly. I love the idea that i can change my rifle into any configuration that I want. What scares people is the freaking media!! I can't stand watching the news anymore. I turn it on for the weather and then off. I would rather get my new from the internet. At least there I can research the subject thru multiple avenues and get a REAL "fair and unbiased" result. The media shows the AR style weapons being used for one thing.....killing other people. You see soldiers, police and criminals using these type weapons. The sad thing is if you do a little research you would find that a huge portion of gun crimes happen with other guns than "Assault Weapons". I hate that term by the way but I feel I have to use it to illustrate a point. My "Assault Weapons" are used to assault targets, animals and the occasional vegetable. LOL I tell you guys..... I could go on for hours about this stuff but I will digress...... you all get the point!!

Ohh.... I forgot to add..... I am off now to a HUGH gun show in Louisville. Wish me luck on finding some good deals!!

Man, I got to find a M1A at a good price!!!!

Sheeple do not have common sense. They think we are living in a perfect world. They think the world is better without guns. They do not know that more guns are used to save lives than to destory one. Look at how many cops use them to protect. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" />

The gun shops here are also doing a brisk business in AR-15s and defense-type shotguns. Ammo has gotten very expensive. I am not sure what the reason is, since these are expensive items and, in general, retail sales are down. It would appear that quite a few people are preparing for some dangerous times. How much of this weapons buying has to do with the results of the recent elections, I can't say. It may be a reaction to the economic recession and fear of possible civil disorder that may result from an even more serious ecomomic melt down in the future. In any case, the "hoarding" has definitely begun.