New guy looking at Scrap Yard knives, questions

I am seeing several different colors of blade coating. Is the only difference in these the color or are they different coatings? Also I like the Double Cut Dumpster Mutt but I am not sure how the face of the blade is finished. Is Double Cut a rougher non reflective surface or it is some chemical reaction or coating on the blade?

3- Purchase protection
If I buy a knife that has a paper cover with inspected by sticker from Scrap Yard can I be sure I am getting the "real deal"?

I run a Dog Club/Park and train large dogs in protection, police work....I roam 12 wooded acres just about every day and would like to have a tough, work horse knife. Am I in the right place?

Your assistance is greatly appreciated,

Mick

Hey Mick and Welcome!

Scrap Yard offers several different coatings and some double-cut and satin finishes. They don't offer every knife in every blade finish though. I think you can still order the S5 LE which is satin finished. Double-cut is a non reflective rougher satin finish - sort of like bead blasted to around 320/400.

Read the sticky thread at the top of the forum to see how their selling method works. The Dumpster Mutts must be bought off the secondary market as they aren't available any longer through Scrap Yard.

If you buy it from Scrap Yard it is authentic...If you buy it off of bladeForum you can feel pretty safe. I have never seen any fake Scrap Yards anywhere including E-Bay. Swamp Rat and Busse are more expensive knives made by the same folks. They are all excellent knives.

you are definitely in the right place. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbup.gif" alt="" />

The double cut is a bead blasted finish. LEs are usually a satin finish, and the colored ones are the crinkle coat finish. I have never seen a counterfeit Scrap Yard knife, and I've been here from day one. Yes, you're in the right place. Superior price to performance ratio. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> Click the link in my sig for more useful links. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />

The coatings are the same just different colors - although some are rougher and others smoother...for example, the gray seems to be smoother and the black rougher. Hope this helps.

Welcome to the yard Mick. You are definitely in the right place for tough work horse knives. Scrap Yard has one of the best price to performance ratios you'll find.

For the most part, the only real difference between blade coatings is their color. However, some coatings will be different from others - one may be more durable, or smoother, meaning it would tend to get less gunk stuck to it if cutting sappy wood or something.

For Double Cut, it's not actually a coating at all - the blade is bead blasted with two different sizes/types of media - hence double cut, cut once with one media, then again with another. It is definitely rougher and less reflective than a satin finish.

As far as purchasing, that's always the toughest part - since the knives are released in limited time runs, it's sometimes hard to get your hands on older models. Your best bet is to watch the Busse/Swamp Rat/Scrapyard Knives for Sale board at bladeforums.com. OR you could buy the scrapper 5 LE, which is available right now from Scrap Yard, at factory prices (most Scrap Yard knives sell for more than original price on the second hand market)

A recent pic I took of my S5s to show the finish difference:


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Welcome Mick.
You are TOTALLY in the right place. There are nothing but the tough, workhorse knives you are searching for at Scrap Yard. All of the Bussekin for that matter.
I believe the Scrapper 5 Limited Editions are still for sale made from the INFI (Busse Combat proprietary steel).
You can't go wrong there. Price to performance ratio really is amazing for anything coming out of the Scrap Yard.

Tough enough for ya? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />

Final Dog Father Test Pics! . . . . Wow!!!

154CM Destructive Testing ! ! ! !

Are scrap yard knives bullet proof? pics up!!

Kid Nevada's Abuse Knife Test of the SOD

In short, these knives do what knives aren't supposed to be able to do. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />

Welcome to the Yard!! These knives will serve you well <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbup.gif" alt="" />

Wow,

What a warm and friendly group I have stumbled across here. Thanks for the welcomes and advice.

Apparently I somehow managed to chop out the first part of my post. I was trying to figure out if there were significant differences between the SR101, SR77, INFI steels. I thought a blade without coating might be better for me as I cook out for larger numbers of people regularly and may be using the knife on: butts, brisket, ribs, chickens and occasionally a whole pig. I thought the coatings might hold food to the blade and increase resistance to slicing. To tell the truth though, normally, I just pull the meat off the bones by hand. So maybe a coating to prevent rust and staining would be more beneficial?

To be honest, I would also like to have a knife that in a dire emergency I could use to defend my person against a large dog/coyote bent on my destruction. I frequently end up trying to help people with dogs that no one else will work with. I am pretty good at understanding and avoiding risky situations but I also know that there is no predicting what some dogs have picked up from us humans. Worse, we believe a team of coyotes took out a large dog belonging to friends across the road recently. The dog had started a personal campaign against the growing population of coyotes.

I found a couple Dumpster Mutts and a few Scrapper 5's for sale. I was a little confused by the fact that apparently Scrap Yard only makes and offers for sale one knife at a time. I see the one knife Scrap Yard is apparently about to make and offer for sale. Does one put a deposit down and wait for the knife to get made? Are there options when buying a new production knife? It says everyone might not get one, does this mean even if I make a deposit I will have to wait and see if they make enough for me to get one? Any idea how long it takes to get delivery on a "new run" knife? I'm about to turn 60, and my wife is a red head....no telling how long I have left!

Shees, I have more questions than my clients do, maybe even more than my daughter!

Mick

Most people won’t be able to tell too much difference between the 3 steels. SR-77 is really tough, but doesn’t hold an edge quite as well as SR-101. SR-101 isn’t “weak” though, it’s PLENTY tough for most people. INFI is the best all around with greatest corrosion resistance, but is usually marginal performance increase for a much higher price. It’s good for when you don’t want to worry about keeping it oiled so much, and want the best and don’t care what it costs.

Any knife that the Busse family makes will serve you well in any situation. They’re far superior to anything you’ve probably ever used. If you want a knife for food prep and not worry about rust, you might want to check out the 154 CM knives. Otherwise, you could strip the coating off a coated blade, and just keep it oiled.

You don’t need to put a deposit down on a knife. You order it on the page if it’s for sale, and they’ll bill you in a couple months when it’s ready. Check this sticky for a lot of ordering answers: READ THIS! Rules & SY Info (Updated: 08-11-11)

Welcome Mick. As far as the difference between the Bussekin steels, you will probably get 3 different answers with several different justifications for each. Coatings do prevent rust but I tend to use non coated blades (LE) for cooking. I like them all and use a different steel for the occasion at hand. Bottom line, my answer is yes.

I don't doubt any Bussekin blade for defense, but I would not doubt a Tramontina machete, a steel barrel pen or a Springer .45 for that matter so not sure my opinion counts much...

As far as what's for sale when, that's the learning curve. Embrace it and enjoy the company. Welcome to the Yard.

Welcome to the Yard Mick!~

I'm telling you brother, get the blade offered now! It's limited and will not last long,
it will last a lifetime and more, it will be a collectible and only go up in value!
SY offers other blades (in time) but this is only the second time in INFI!
People are still kicking themselves for not getting the first.

The mudder grips/handle is one of the most comfortable grips I've ever handled.
not the prettiest but fits like a glove, all size paws/hands.

It's INFI, a super steel that really resists corrosion, one guy here tested it in a bucket of
sea/salt water and it showed no signs of rust. (Paul the Brit)
it will work great for what you want.

but SR 77 is a SY staple and SR 101 (SwampRat staple) are wonderful too,
good enough for all of us (and less expensive). All have a lifetime warranty
(the blade, not the original owner) and they honor it brother,
great company with great products.

Good Luck and let us know what you think when you get one <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

Welcome to the Yard Mick!

You may be realizing 1) What a great forum you have stumble on and 2) That it's pretty hard to go wrong with any Busse Kin steel. You have come at a great time and I sugges that you do get in on the Srapper 5 LE. I think it a execellent knife for what you are wanting. Even of you decide to invest in other models you will never regret purchasing a release directly from one of the companies.

Hang around and see what goes on with the Blade West releases. Very interesting knives are on the way...

yep the current knife offered is a great all around blade.... and hard to pass up.

i wouldnt think twice about my s5cg if i had to use it for defence but just general work...

yea its complicated at first but youll get the hang of it ,

welcome to the yard

Welcome to the 'Yard.

The Scrapper 5 is an awesome blade. Not sure how it would go as a defence knife against dogs, as I'm not sure how you scientifically attack a dog with a knife.

I guess if you need to stab deep (.e.g. need to penetrate into a deep canine chest) it may not be the best choice due to the blade length and it similarly would not be so good for a chopping attacks on the CNS/circulatory system (e.g. chopping of a head or a limb ).

However if stabbing to 3-5" and slashing attacks are acceptable then I'd say it would do fine.
I'd have no fear about failure and SR101 and INFI both take and hole fine edges.

The LE is Satin INFI, so you won't need to worry about coating and food and is pretty good re corrosion resistance - pretty much the premier Bussekin steel.
And in my mind the S5 has mighty pretty lines.
So if you decide the S5 design is suitable for your needs, then you chose the right time to join the 'Yard!

Welcome to the Yard, Mick. The Scrapper 5 that is available now is expensive for a Scrapper, but satin finished INFI is the reason for that. You won't find another 5" satin finished INFI blade for a price that low. It's all about the steel. Get one, if you can.

Mick-

No deposit required and if you pay by credit card, you aren't charged until they ship it to you. Knives are usually available for 4-6 weeks then taken down and shipped 4-6 weeks after that. So, the process can require some patience. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> The LE's are a little different and I doubt they all are available for that long.
As others have recommended, I also HIGHLY recommend you get the Scrapper 5 LE that is currently available if you can swing it. It will do what you need it to do and you won't have to worry about coatings or corrosion. Two other great knives that are stainless and would work for the meat prep part are the Scrap Muk and the Bird Dog but you would have to find one on the secondary market. They wouldn't be good for coyote defense though. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

Good luck! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbup.gif" alt="" />

Welcome to the Yard! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

You know, if a new guy went to the SYKCO site looking to buy a knife and clicked on knives, he would not see the Scrapper 5 or Scrapper 5 LE. All he would see are older models no longer available. Of course, if he then clicked on "Place Order", the only knife that would come up is the S5LE. It's nice to have the pictures and specs of older models, but that would likely confuse a new customer to no end. But then, maybe that is all part of the mysterious "plan". <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

Welcome to the Yard!

welcome to the yard

Thanks again for helping to get me educated.

The knife for sale here looks like a good option. I had been thinking about a Dumpster Mutt or older Scrapper 5s which are probably functionally very similar but not as nice. I like the flat ground blade on the Dumpster and the different blade style on the current offering put me off a little at first. I actually just placed my order. So I guess I can start being irritating about delivery dates.

I have a Randall made #16 SP#1, "Special #1 Fighter" that I have owned for 30-40 years. It is just too big a knife to carry around for ED. I am about to look into a more practical carry system for it but I can't imagine wearing it regularly. The stainless that it is made from probably does not compare to the high carbon steels for normal use either. I think a 5"-5.5" blade will be a practical ED carry size that I might actually wear ED. I have tried various pocket knives but my pockets stay stuffed with dog toys, treats, iPhone... pocket clip knives just seem to be in the way. My latest ED, Benchmade Nitrous Stryker, has been opening up in my pocket regularly, due I imagine to all the dogs pawing me and the constant flow of a wide range of things in and out of my pockets.

Which brings me to carry systems, probably for the back of my right hip, but something I can easily move around. I have been thinking about a Molded Kydex sheath with some form of, maybe mole, system. I am wondering if Kydex is rougher on a knife, particularly a Resiprene C handle. Again I plan to actually wear this knife in a very active, dog filled environment, ED. Does Scrap Yard usually offer a sheath once they start shipping knives? I have heard the name Rainwalker Creations mentioned. Should I be able to pick up a sheath here without sending the knife in? How would you guys house this knife if you planned to wear it in a very active environment, ED?

I have seen a great many versions of the Scrapper 5 in various places. Maybe some Scrap Yard fans are thinking of upgrading to the latest model. Would I be correct in assuming that all the knives Scrap Yard will make in this run will be like the one in the order area, LEs with satin finishes and the grind that does not quite flatten the entire side of the blade?

Shees, I'm worse than the chatty women who attend the dog park every day!

Mick

Guess I need to work on a dog avitar

kydex... especialy around dogs.... the res-c is very close to kong toys i would say as far as durability.... but much stiffer it should do fine with kydex most of mine are in kydex. i believe mashed cat makes a fairly good s5 that you wont have to send in , rain walker makes great sheaths but it takes some time. worth the wait...

One thing does worry me. If my dog working buddies find out I am a "Pound Puppy", even on a forum, I may not hear the end of it for quite a while. What do I have to do to get upgraded to a German, German Shepherd?

The point about the Scrap Yard site organization is well taken. On the other hand, since I am the author of my site, I know what it takes to make changes too. There just always seems to be one or two more things one wants to add, remove or reorganize.

Slicing on,

Mick

just keep posting youll grow upsoon enough on the board

Definitely try and get an S5 over a Dumpster Mutt, better steel, better handle, better blade thickness !!!!!

Thanks for the reinforcement of my decision to put the order in for the Scrapper 5 LE!

I appreciate good steel and I don't mind spending extra to get the INFI the current offering is made from. Every thing I read seems to indicate INFI is a "tough" steel to beat for knives. Good thing because mine will see constant use.

So now I am studying on the sheath issue. I have been to both Rainwalker and Mashed Cats. I think I am sold on Kydex. Even though my German Shepherds laugh at anything being "indestructible" I think the Kydex will stand up to claws pretty well if not teeth and jaw pressure. I want an attachment system I can move around during the day as my duties change: tractor operator, shepherd, dog/person trainer, cook, decoy/agitator/helper....

The Tek-Lok Belt Clips look like they would be easy to move around quickly yet a sturdy platform in many different positions? Does any one have real world experience to offer?

Mick

Tec-Locks are a great choice as they offer lots of versatility. They enable either traditional carry or two screws later and ya have one geared up for horizontal carry. Quick and easy to remove...ya can't go wrong !

Welcome to the Yard. : )
JB

Welcome Mick...

welcome mick! you picked the right place <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

Congrats Mick on your purchase! Your gonna luv it <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

One problem I see you might have is a dog chewing your handle/Res-C which is like a syth rubber, only firmer. I have heard of squirrels munching on them <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/doh.gif" alt="" />

Kydex I think would be your best option for what you want and what will be around your blade, doggies! Consider a "Dangler" system with it, ask any good sheath maker (pm here or email) and I'm sure they'll give you the low-down and idea's.

Kydex does make marks on the Res-C, more or less but it's not a big deal, and any of the good makers will make it exactly the way you need it, as far as fit and security. Some like it tight, some like it loser, it's a custom job and they work with you (I know Jeff excels at this).

Rainwalker has like every main blade from SY, so no need to worry about sending it in to him, man's a Busse Museum! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />

If I were new, I would talk/PM/Email a few sheath makers and get idea's and impressions and check a few older threads, many have pictures, info and reviews. Also the "search" function can help. Good Luck buddy <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbup.gif" alt="" />

I have a list of sheath makers on the link in my sig if you want to check it out. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />

think dangling leather chew toy....

I think if I were working with a bunch of dogs that chew things, I'd be looking at a Chris Reeve solid steel knife in a steel bayonet style scabbard. Let the mutts chew on that. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif" alt="" />

LOL! I'm sure his whole wardrobe is a chew toy <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />

I see several different dangling loop systems. I'm not sure those would work for me. I need to be able to throw and swing objects with my arms too much of the time. After guiding dog bites onto designated objects many thousands of times over 30 years one can get pretty good at predicting and controlling the what, when and where of how a dog uses those pointy teeth.

Mick

I got a note from Eric at Mashed Cat Outfitters:
"I can make the sheath for the scrapper 5 with a knife I have. All
sheaths come equipped with a large TekLok belt clip, and are versatile for
carry options."
There is a nice picture of a SYKW Scrapper5 & sheath ( $45 + s/h ) on the site:
http://www.mashedcat.com/
The knife in the picture even has the same handle.

I sent a note to Rainwalker but have not heard back yet.
A similar sheath from here appears to be $5-10 more.

Mick

welcome to the yard mick you have chosen well my son <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbup.gif" alt="" />

I read on these pages that SY may offer a sheath closer to shipping time. Following the Scrapper5 LE thread it sounds like the order is about to close. I am wondering how it works from here?

Do they ship all the knives at once after making all they can or do they just start making them and ship them one at a time as they make them?

Do people pre order sheaths, or do they wait to get their knives in hand. I am wondering since I hear it can take a while to get a sheath too. Mashed Cat seems to think they can make a sheath that will fit this knife from a knife they have. I have also seen posts which suggest that if the new knives were different in size than older models new specs would have been posted. Maybe the risk is that SY will cut a deal on sheaths and make something available at a more attractive price?

Slice on,

Mick

I agree you get quite a bit of flexibility with a kydex setup and a TekLok. Here is a basic kydex sheath with a TekLok that allows for either left or right hand carry. I usually carry a small fixed blade on my secondary side, but here is a pick of an HRLM carried on the primary side. I find a 4" blade is a decent amount of weight when carrying a pistol. With a 1911 and a blade, I usually wear suspenders.

a nice kydex reinforced belt really helps

Welcome to the Yard, you are in the right place for some great knives. We have a number of great sheath makers who are also Dogs. If you go back in this thread and click on the link in Andy's sig line he has some good resources. The S5LE should have the same stats as the S5 except, without the coating it may be a touch slimmer, but I don't think this would affect buying one of the sheaths already on the market.

5.11 or Wilderness belt would be perfect...

welcome to the yard mick! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

Welcome Mick!

I think the tek-lok kydex is a great option as long as you can keep the dogs away from the res-c. With the right setup you won't even feel the blade. My kydex with tek-lock from Rainwalker and BuyBrown is perfect, neither feel heavy and those are for my Regulator and S-5.

Regulator



S-5 and Muk with kydex X-loop

Welcome to the Yard, Mick.

A sheath for the S5 CG should work for the S5 LE.

I'd place an order with Mashed Cat, since he offers prompt delivery.

I've been waiting for Rainwalker to get to my order for months.

Nice sheaths guys!
I saw a post by Dan stating that there would be some sort of sheath offering from the Yard for the S5 LE. Something about for 1st position carry I think. Is that belt carry?

So far I like the sheaths made from two pieces of plastic riveted on both sides, like the S5 sheath Eric shows on the Mashed Cat site. I wonder why most of the sheaths I see in this thread are folded Kydex? It would seem the additional areas for screws and rivets might come in handy. The folded sheaths also look like they would be a little thicker. It might be a little harder to achieve a tight blade fit in a folded sheath too, although I read opinions differ concerning whether pressure on the blade or hilt should hold the knife in the sheath. I'm still not sure which would be better for inside the pants carry but until I start using the knife I want know whether or not it will be better for me to wear it inside or outside.

I don't plan to carry my Glock 9x19 with my knife as seen above. I am more likely to need a place to attach a sharpening stone for my scythe. Scythe blades need to be constantly sharpened.

Mick

Welcome to the yard Mick, happy to hear you picked the Scrapper 5 LE. It will be a great knife for you.

I have no first hand experience with the sheath makers you mention, but from picture I've seen, you really can't go wrong with either of them.

Welcome to the yard Mick.
I figured I'd throw in my 2 cents on the sheaths . . .
"Sandwich" style kydex are nice, but I wouldn't say they are any slimmer than a folded "taco" style kydex, nor would I say that one is tighter than the other. I have 3 folded kydex that lock up tight. There may be better mounting options with more rivets but as long as it supports a tek-lok, you should be okay.
I would think that the S5 might be a little big for inside the pants carry but each person wears theirs differently.
I do not own a mashed cat or okuden but many people pair them with their Scarpyard blades. I have BuyBrown and Rainwalker and am very pleased with both. I wouldn't count on an offering directly from Scrapyard and for the S5LE, it might be worth it to pay for a custom one. Good luck whatever you choose.

It's well worth the wait <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbup.gif" alt="" />

It sure is. That’s why I’m still in the Rainwalker queue. But Mick was wanting a sheath soon. Jeff’s a great guy. Jeff makes great sheaths. What Jeff does not do is take an order today and ship the sheath tomorrow. If you need a scabbard right quick like, Rainwalker is not the place to shop.

yea i guess youre right...

i dont know if this is offensive in any way, it definitely isnt meant to...

but i see rainwalker as somewhere to get something nice done...like a nice leather custom with maybe some inlay of some sort... this is my view purely on the length of time he has on his orders.

If one is in search of something simple, but functional, id say go with someone like David or,as some others have mentioned MashedCat.

***not to say that jeff doesnt make a simple, functional sheath or that Davids or anyone elses for that matter are of any less quality***

i dont mean to rub anyone the wrong way, i have sheath from both jeff and David and they are both great!!
stand up guys too! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbup.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbup.gif" alt="" />

Im doing some research on getting a custom leather pant for my S5LE or CG...whatever i decide to carry.

wait and see!

While we are on the topic of sheaths, can any one recommend a maker who does not require the knife be sent in. I know this may sound silly if I want a custom kydex, but I carry my blade everyday and don't want to part with it. I want a kydex with a tech lock for horizontal carry for a DCDM.

Thanks,

JT

Hi JT,

Some of the sheath makers have a collection of knives that they can make your sheath from. I know Mashed Cat can make a sheath for the S5 LE, because I just got a note from Eric saying they can:
http://www.mashedcat.com/index.html

If you scroll down on the page above you will find a picture of a S5 and one of Eric's sheaths.

I am fairly sure other sheath makers can do this too. Rainwalker has been used by a large number of people here. Several other manufacturers are popular too. I have been to several other manufacturer pages but so far Masshed Cat is the only one I have found who has a specific picture of the sheath I need. Eric is also the only one who has answered an email confirming that he can make a sheath like I need.

Here is hoping others will give us the names of other manufacturers they know could produce a sheath for our new Scrap Yards.

Cutting up,

Mick

brown had a few s5 sheaths .... youll have to email a few makers to see if they have the knife and set up to make a sheath for it...

i think my next sheath with be a brown , i have mashed cat and rain walker leather and kydex for the s5 comming...

Thanks guys,

I think I will look into mashed cat. From what I can tell, they all make a solid product. For me, it just comes down to how long I am willing to wait and how much I want to pay. Thanks for the input.

JT

I put my order in with Mashed Cat. Eric responded right away to my note again. Eric obviously takes his customer service personally and that was the value added I was looking for.

From the talk in other threads it looks like knives are getting ready to ship soon. I wanted the best chance to have my sheath here when the knife arrives because it will go into use immediately. I just found Scrap Yard so my order for the S5 LE is way down the list but someone posted that they tend to ship all close together.

waiting patiently,

Mick

When you get charged the knife will be on its way, from the sounds of a lot will be arriving this week ao your not far off

also check out buy brown ... most of the guys who are on the forum and make sheaths are stand up guys you cant really go wrong....(i only say most sence i havnt met them all)

mmmmm s5le i can smell it... no wait thats coffee...