DumpsterMutt variations,how many?

How many variations of the DumpsterMutt are there ?
What are the diferences?
Pics would be appreciated!
regards,SSB.

Original DM
DC DM
Mod 7 DM (serrated)
Urban DM
Different colored DM offered at Knob Creek a few years back

I've had a few mutts, no Double Cut though. Very good looking blade. I've had a few SY knives come and go, but I don't think I could ever let my Original DM go.

"SpiderPig, SpiderPig, does whatever a SpiderPig does,
first your nose, then your toes, then watchout cause anything goes,
lookout, there goes the SpiderPig!". <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbup.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbup.gif" alt="" />

There's no escaping the Spider-Pig theme song.

I'm literally laughing out loud.

Well you know, Nothing Grows Where the SpiderPig Goes! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

To the contrary, things grow REAL well where the SpiderPig goes!!! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbup.gif" alt="" />

Gotta love the SpiderPig!!! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbup.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbup.gif" alt="" />

Ok, then maybe I should have said BAMBI! Remember the Ajax liquor store?

I remember Bambi, but the Ajax Liquor Store? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" />

Oh my gosh, we should start a new thread.

Speaking of Bambi, I ran over a previously-ran-over deer in Seabrook Texas on my way home from work this morning and got a bone fragment stuck in my tire. FLAT! Gotta take the tire to get it fixed when I get up.

Spidie, in honor of you - I'm drinking coffee from my Homer Simpson mug. It shows Homer snarling:"Why you little--!" and underneath is a banner that reads "All-American Dad". <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbup.gif" alt="" />

The Godfather of the Dogfather is indeed the All-American Dad!

Thank you Sir! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbup.gif" alt="" />

What's the price on the market for a Dumpster Mut ?

I've seen them anywhere from $125.00 to $160.00 range.

Sometimes if your patient you can find them in the $110 - $120 range.

DMCG & Mod


ColdOne did a sweet ScrapWiki for more info; http://www.scrapyardcollector.com/index.php/Knives

He also has the only fully serrated version that we know of!

How can you tell which one you've got? I bought my DM at Knob Creek this past Saturday at the Busse table. The receipt just says "Dumpster Mutt". It's a plain edge in desert tan. I got it for $69, it seemed like a good deal, especially considering some of the Busse knives were going for +$800.

Also, where's a good place to get a kydex sheath for it? I'd like something off the shelf, in desert tan and is similar to the ESEE/Rat Cutlery RC-4 sheath only as shown upper right here: http://eseeknives.com/rc-4%20instruction%20sheet-B.jpg

Thanks,

Al

Hi Albin...post a picture of that bad boy! I don't know that I've seen a Desert DM. Any idea on the grind...Sabre or Full Height?

Welcome to the Yard <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif" alt="" />

Also...in hopes that the Big Dog is listening....Desert DM's for the KnoboGanzaa Please <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbup.gif" alt="" />

maybe you can find a nylon sheath that fits it (off the shelf) otherwise for kydex and "color" it has to be a custom sheath made/fitted for it.

they are not that expensive to have done/made. it depends on what you want. more means "MORE!"

pm any of our fine sheath makers or others and I'm sure they will give you what you want.

Albin, welcome to the Yard. Post up pics of that bad boy!

Albin - welcome to the Yard! Lets see those pic's!

All - I would happily buy several copies of ANY variation of the DM that Dan released. I think its an awesome blade <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/bowdown.gif" alt="" />.

In fact, it would surprise me if most of the newbs here (myself included) wouldn't love to have that one offered again.

I'm with you Architect! I don't suppose this would be a bad time to get back on my soap-box regarding an S5 / DM variant...give the S5 the girth of the DM, and keep the mudders. Life would be good <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/bowdown.gif" alt="" />

Your right Arch! I would LOVE to see it offered again. I personally love the black on black w/ Busse basic handle and penetrator tip. (as seen on the SYKCo store) Sweet chunk'o'steel!!!

Albin - Howdy and Welcome to the ScraP Yard! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> And congrats on your score! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbup.gif" alt="" /> A tan D/m --- hmmm................................. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

Sage on Tan.......sweet sexy blade o' mine <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/ooo.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/bowdown.gif" alt="" />

Ok PK...whatcha know buddy? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> Spill the scraps for us pups that can't reach the bowl! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbup.gif" alt="" />

Thanks guys, here's the only pic I got, this is from the Bladeforums.com site, and was posted by one of the Busse guys in thread over there (ETA: ignore the black knives, the DM i bought is one of the tan colored knives):



I believe the knife I bought is the one on the right.

Thanks,

Al

This just became interesting <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

It's one like they've had since the Fall 2008 Knob Creek, "new" Res-C handles as opposed to the original recycled Basic handles. At the Fall 2008 show they were priced at $89.95, but then (I think at Blade), they were sold as a $69.95 show special, and that's been the price at all the shows I've seen them at since. I bought the Tanker gray in this picture at KC:



I also scored the middle Vex at KC (it was the only Vex they had); I already had the top green linen Vex from the July 2009 Lardoganza.

If those DM's were offered online for $69...I know what my family would be getting for Christmas! How does Dan do it?

Man I love this place! LONG LIVE THE YARD!

Albin...I think those pics are SOD (sons of dogfather) and a DFCG (Dogfather Combat Grade)...next to an Regulator LE. Doesn't look like any Dumpster Mutts in the pic.

Is it the same color as those blades in the upper right...tan / tan? What's the length of the blade?

Albin I think the tan/sage blades you have pictured there are not dumpster mutts but son of dogfather blades. Look at the blade length next to what is obviously a regulator LE.

In addition, notice the thumb ramp and choil shape.

If you were just showing that picture to show the color combo then you're right on, that appears to be sage/tan...but if you think one of those knives you bought is pictured in there, and you're SURE you bought a dumpster mutt, you might be mistaken.

I could be wrong here, but looking at
http://scrapyardknives.com/knives.htm

I don't think I am.

Isn't that a SOD in Albin's picture?

md02 - beat me to it <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />

I think its next to a LE Reg which is 7.5" long...can't be a DM.

Psh, Ishi beat ME to it lol, because I searched for the link

The Tan knives in your picture appear to be SoDs, they were at KC (I recall priced at $119.95) in both Tanker and Tan.

Sorry if I gave you the wrong impression Ishi - I know NOTHING! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif" alt="" /> I have not seen a tan Dumpster Mutt, only its cousin, the tan Yardkeeper.

Oooh how the speculation spirals out of control sometimes <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif" alt="" />

Albin...pictures! pictures! pictures! purdy please <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/sad.gif" alt="" />

Ishikawa,

Ignore the black colored knives, I *believe* this is the only pic I've seen of the Busse knives at KCR that show the two tan Scrapyard DMs. These were the only two Scrapyards that I saw at the Busse table, but I could be wrong about that.

The guy that sold it to me was pretty clear that it was a Dumpster Mutt and it's written that way on the receipt. I've asked for more pics from the Busse guys, if they post more, I'll cross post them here.

Thanks,

Al

Jim - I just noticed you're in Jeffersonville. I'm in Evansville.

For whatever reason, I really like the sage/tan offerings. I guess its because I have a lot of MultiCam gear, and they accessorize well. You know - you get bonus points for looking fashionable while hiking <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/doh.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />

Understood...we're all talking about the tan ones in the pic. It looks like there is consensus in the Yard that those are most likely Tan/Tan SOD's, and probably not a Dumpster Mutt.

Could you take a tape measure / ruler to your knife and post the blade length? That would help clear it up pretty quickly. If it is indeed a Mutt variant...I will be very happy <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />

Thanks Albin!

But those aren't dumpster mutts in the picture. They're sons of dogfather. Two very different knives. You can tell by the blade length, it's right next to a regulator LE and it's about the same length...the dumpster mutt is a bit shorter than the regulator, noticeably so.

If you purchased one of those knives for the price of a dumpster mutt, you got a hell of a deal (almost half price of RETAIL, not to mention what secondary market sons of dogfather go for).

Albin - just measure the length and thickness of the blade and post that info.

ETA: Drats - beat again <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" />

Double bonus if nobody sees you? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />

With MultiCam that's gar-n-teed <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif" alt="" />.

They look like SODs to me as well. As mentioned, if he got a SOD for the price of a Dumpster Mutt he is one LUCKY Dog!!! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbup.gif" alt="" />

Tom - they're next to a Regulator LE and have the same blade length - they can't be a DM variation.

I'll second the LUCKY DOG!

Truer words have not been spoken. From my viewpoint...even a DMCG variant at that price is a FANTASTIC score! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbup.gif" alt="" /> This is one hungry puppy, and I feel like I'm having a bone dangled in front of me...just out of reach <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif" alt="" />

Ishi, I feel the same way whenever I look at Busse Combat's offerings! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif" alt="" /> I have most of Dan's knives, but only a handfull or two of Jerry's. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif" alt="" />

I don't have a Busse Combat due to the premium. Eventually maybe I'll score one, but for now I'm completely content here at the Yard <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbup.gif" alt="" />

Nothing wrong with that! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbup.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbup.gif" alt="" />

Something else. Those knives in the pic have thumb ramps and square choils, Dumpster Mutts do not.

Good eye S/P! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbup.gif" alt="" />

Yep <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

I like it when a Dog mates with a Hog...to yield an res-c handle on an INFI base. Don't get me started with more Wiener jokes <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />

Seriously though...I wanted to state earlier that I'd do backflips for an INFI Dumpster Mutt, but I didn't want to derail this too much. Make it a Competition Finish (ooooh boy, my heart just fluttered a little)...and I'd liken it to the Mad Max Mutt (M^3). I too, am content with my Yard blades, and will always "circle back" to the absolute insane value proposition that these blades maintain. They're amazing...to say the least.

Maybe it was one of these





And welcome to the Yard!

That was them.

EEEGADS!!! GIMMME! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />

Mmmmm.....sabre grind.

When the DM first came out they were basic, black on black old handles. we were shocked at the 69 dollar price (and luv'd it) but when you want colors and different handles and grinds and pretty satin/finishes the price will go up~!

Dan has given us many of these things and we're lucky but I personally like a great blade at a great price (like the original DM) <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

be careful what you ask for because you'll pay for it! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" />

Right there with you Witchdawg!!

I decided to dig out my uber-rare Fall 2008 Knob Creek haul of Mutts and Keepers for a picture. Mutts were priced higher at that show ($89.95), but I've never seen Arctic White or Bama Clay Scrap Yard knives since and the only other Moss was a couple S6s at the Fall 09 show. Tanker was new at the time, but has continued to be produced:



All gathered together like that, I'm not sure they look like $1283.25, but that's what I paid.

Yep, it was one of the middle two.

Got pics, hold on a minute.

Thanks,

Al

Woww.....moss, arctic, and bama scrapyard stuff? How cool.

Ok, here are pics of mine:





Thanks,

Al

ETA: Seth nailed the pic problem, Thanks!

Fixed it for you. You didn't need the stuff after .jpg

Did you find a sheath maker? Mashed Cat makes ones that look like the ones you posted but I don't know if he has a DMCG to go off of.

I really like this one. My only beef with the original DM was the small handle. It was just a bit too small.

Nice score!

Wow , thanks for the pics Jim, i didn't realize there were so many variations!
regards,SSB.

WOW Jim! Those are fantastic! I love the Bama and Tanker colors! Sweet score. Hope to get me some rare Dogs too!!

Awesome variants Jim...thanks for taking the time to get those out and show all of us <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> I'm holding out hope for the Knoboganzaa <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crossfingers.gif" alt="" />

It's interesting...the new ones posted by Seth definitely look sabre ground, similar to the original DMCG. However the variants posted by Jim all look to be flat ground, similar to the LE / DC models.

I fondled my heavy DMCG last night for quite some time. I love the blade, the heft, and the versatility of it. For me, it has two choke up points: I can wrap my index finger in the choil to get a little closer...and for the real close up work, my middle finger goes in the choil and index straddles the spine. Here's to hoping I get a desert model soon <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/2weeks.gif" alt="" />

i posted this in another thread, but do you guys think a used S5 CG for a used Dumpter Mutt would be a fair trade? thinking about trading my S5 for one.

From a monetary perspective, no. S5 has more followers, and is an updated design.

From a biased puppy that loves the mutt, yes <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> My Mutt gets carried in the woods, the S5 stays home.

tonestar - sell your S5 and buy a DM.

My Urban Mutt should arrive today, and will be the only DM variant I've ever held. I'm curious to see if I like it better than my YKLE (as in - is the extra .5" of blade a good or bad thing).

Either way, I've long said I'd love for another 4.5" to 5" YK or DM variant (or re-release). We all love the big choppers, but I use 5"ish knives for 90% of my needs.

As Ishi said, the S5 tends to be worth a bit more monetarily (see my reply in the other post).

So, can someone give me which variation I have? One person has said it's a "Combat Grade Variant" and a saber grind. Is this correct? Will this make a difference in making a sheath for it?

Thanks,

Al

Yours has a sabre grind, like the original. All others had a full flat grind. The original was .285 inches thick. Not sure what thickness yours is. Best to just send it to one of our many fine sheath makers. There are several that are members of this forum.

Anyone know the thicknesses & weights for the dm variations?
any help appreciated, regards,SSB.

Knifeguy!!!! We NEED your help!!!

In answer to your original question, there was:

1) The original Dumpster Mutt -- it was sterile, black, a bit thicker than all that came after at .285-inches thick, and had recycled Busse basic handles.

2) The LE -- it's polished, had a logo, and was a bit thinner, I seem to remember .25-inch thick, and also had recycled Busse basic handles.

3) "Second Generation" CG Dumpster Mutts -- this is what I'd call yours. They're a coated .25-inch blade, making them about .26. They have molded Res-C handles and have come in many different colors. Most have logos, though I think some don't. I'd say that this is the most common Mutt, so finding a sheath isn't an issue.

4) MOD, "Military Overrun Dog" or MOD-7 -- it was a special offering from the 12/2007 Razorganza (it was item #7, so that's why MOD-7), limited to less than 50 available to the civilian market -- there was a bet, Dan won it, do a search for details if you're interested. It was basically a double-cut .25-inch logoed Dumpster Mutt, half-serrated and having the last of the Busse basic handles. They came with a kydex sheath, but not up to the standards of anything you'd get from a custom maker.

5) I think ColdOne owns a one-off fully serrated prototype Dumpster Mutt.

6) There was the "Run DMDC!!!... Dumpster Mutt Blow Out!!!" release -- they were Double Cut Dumpster Mutts, logoed, having molded Res-C handles. They were the last knife sold from Texas, before Dan and Patti moved to Ohio so that he could be closer to the production facilities.

Thanks Jim, did some of the original Dumster Mutts,(with the basic handles ) have a penetrator tip?
I just received one today that has this feature!
regards,SSB.

I did manage to weigh the original (8.8oz (250g.)) & second generation (7.75oz(220g.))(flat gind ,tanker grey) ones that i have & mic them & Jims measurements are dead on!
thanks again Jim!
regards,SSB.

All of the originals had the penetrator tip. Nice score!

Hi ssb...yes, the originals had penetrator tips. They are my favorite SYKCO <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif" alt="" />

+1

i want one bad!

Thanks Spider-pig for the info & all the rest! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />
regards,SSB.

My DM's to date! (Note i just figured out how to post pics ,thanks to a couple of great guys here at the "Yard"!)


Although Jim has the best pics of the Dumpster Mutt variations i have seen yet!

Does anyone else have DM pics to share?
regards,SSB.

Thanks Bruce , i gotta get my hands on one to try it out!
regards,SSB.

My biggest problem is being able to see or actually handle a Bussekin before i buy it!

That's the huge advantage of going to one of the shows -- you can pick knives up, check the balance and see how the handles fit your hand. It's a lot more money if you have to travel and stay at a motel (I'm fortunate that Knob Creek is local, but I've considered going to Blade a couple times), but there are sometimes show special discounts, you'll get knives that aren't in the company stores, and you get to see/touch before pulling the trigger, so there are some offsetting advantages. Oh, and there's also the social aspect, if you're into that sort of thing.

DM handles are a little smaller than S6+ handles (and, of course, mudders), but they're pretty good for most folks.

Unfortunatly i so far away form where the shows occur!

[censored] thats a steal....Congrats! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbup.gif" alt="" />

Bruce, I'm not sure that they understand there are three different Busse Companies, which make different models (although often quite similar in design) using different steel formulations. I do not disagree with your assertion that $69.95 was an outstanding price (I bought one at that price myself), but the comparison of a DM CG with one of the $800 offerings may indicate that they're not familiar with the differences between brands and Combat Grade vs Custom Shop knives.

Scrap Yard is the best value to performance ratio of the three. While they have made some models in SR101 ("Swamp Rat's steel") and a couple in INFI ("Busse Combat's steel"), as well as 154CM, their bread-and-butter has been a steel named SR77 (based on a tool steel, S7, commonly used for high impact applications, such as jackhammer bits). Scrap Yard models average around $100 in price, and have topped out (thus far) with the S5LE, made of INFI, for $200.

As with all three Bussekin companies, Scrap Yard knives have a 100% money-back (release price, not secondary market) or replacement (if available) guarantee. All three companies also use proprietary cryogenic heat treatment processes. So, while Scrap Yard knives are not as expensive, that does not mean they're not as "good". Scrap Yard is run by Jerry's brother, Dan.

Swamp Rat is run by Jerry's wife, Jennifer. Its primary steel is SR101, which is a customized 52100 (ball bearing) steel; SR101 has a reputation for holding a shaving-sharp edge longer than SR77. However, while both SR77 and SR101 are high carbon steels that will rust, SR77 tends to surface rust, while SR101 will pit deeply if not cared for. Other than that, the biggest difference is that Scrap Yard uses a synthetic rubber material called Respirene C for their handles.

Busse Combat began using Res C, then discontinued it in favor of Micarta/G10 as their handle material. When Swamp Rat began making knives in 2002, they used Res C, until they also decided to switch to Micarta/G10 for their their handles -- some of the Rats still lament that decision. Scrap Yard was the last company formed (I believe in 2006, this appears to be the first Knives Forum thread: Hi Gang...), and they continue to use Res C.

Busse Combat is the original Busse knife company, run by Jerry; they've used various steels over the years, but the current is a proprietary formula called INFI -- Here's a link to the page where its discussed over on the Busse Combat site: INFI page. Busse Combat knives are the highest priced of the three companies. A "Custom Shop" model that has been produced in fairly good numbers is named the MOAB; they start at $2197.00 each. That's on the extreme end of their prices, but it's common to spend between $250 and $450 for a non-Custom Shop, non-LE Busse Combat knife.

Thanks for the detailed post JIM!

I have at least come to realize what you have posted over the last few months but it would have saved me a lot of time if I had just had your post explaining it so nicely from the start!

It is quite difficult to get an general overview of what exactly is going on with regards to Busse, Swamp rats and Scrap yard knives. The information is of course there, but you have to sift through everything to get the just of it.

I would LOVE a scrapper 6 and have been looking on bladeforums, but as with everything on the secondary market it now comes at a "price" <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />