Scrap Yard Knife Company

# Scrap Yard Gun Talk

Posted By: Spider-Pig

## Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 06/09/14 07:38 PM

I wanted to start a thread so that we could discuss any and all things gun related, that is why I'm keeping the topic very general. If you have something in particular you want to discuss and want feedback that is more specific to your topic then don't hesitate to start a new thread.

I'll add a few pics to get some conversation going. Please note that I am not a photographer and I am using my 2 year old phone in my kitchen with overcast natural lighting coming through the window.

If this thread dies.....it dies (Rocky IV reference).

Posted By: RN

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 06/09/14 08:26 PM

I'll chime in...just got a rifle I've wanted for a good while- CZ 527 in 762/39. Feels like you are holding a 10/22 it's so light.

Can't wait to get it out!
Posted By: Endeavour Morse

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 06/09/14 08:36 PM

Very nice collection. The Smiths are particularly attractive in this age of polymer autoloaders.

Rich,
I regret selling my two CZ 452's (22LR and 22WMR). CZ makes a VERY FINE rifle!!!!
Posted By: Endeavour Morse

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 06/09/14 08:40 PM

Neat table, BTW.

I've been struggling with the decision to sell my last AKMs. I shipped my two SLR-107FR to the FFL handling the transfer for their buyer just this morning. That leaves me with (3) SLR-106FR (5.56) to sell. I keep wondering if I'd be better off keeping them and selling my ARs. Since I have FN Scars (my go to primary guns) I find the AR15 design redundant. The AKM, on the other hand, is so crude and simple it serves a slightly different purpose: end of the world beater.

I will not keep both the ARs and AKs. One has to go. We simply don't need 250,000,000 rifles.
Posted By: Endeavour Morse

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 06/09/14 08:41 PM

Posted By: Endeavour Morse

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 06/09/14 08:43 PM

I hope I didn't inadvertently turn this into an AK vs AR debacle. Both are good designs, but they are from different philosophical approaches.
Posted By: RN

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 06/09/14 09:06 PM

Originally Posted by Architect
Very nice collection. The Smiths are particularly attractive in this age of polymer autoloaders.

Rich,
I regret selling my two CZ 452's (22LR and 22WMR). CZ makes a VERY FINE rifle!!!!

probably last gun I would sell would be my 452. I love that gun!
Posted By: Spider-Pig

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 06/09/14 09:29 PM

Originally Posted by Architect
Neat table, BTW.

Rich - I remeber you talking about that rifle a while back. I'm interested in seeing your range report. I had a Ruger Mini-Thirty that I really liked, but I sold it because I was afraid to run Russian ammo through since they load theirs with .309 - .310 diameter bullets.

Gary - Thank you. I bought the 29 - 2 kind of as a novelty, but now I love that gun. The 325PD is my carry pistol for the moment. Now I'm looking at a Kahr CM45 if they ever make it to the market.
Posted By: RN

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 06/09/14 10:24 PM

I can't wait. Tomorrow I interview with a social/civic club that has an outdoor range, so the timing is great.

seems to be a rifle made to shoot inexpensive ammo well. Bought a couple hundred rounds of 154 grain soft points...that is a deer stopper.
Posted By: SkunkHunter

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 06/10/14 12:44 AM

So, that being said, here's my two babies I keep talking about. Yeah, I really like these shotguns.

First up is the PA459-TR with Dark Reaper (skull pattern) camo.

Next up is the semi auto version. Basic black.

They are light weight, about 6.5 pounds and fast handling. They have screw in chokes (benelli or beretta mobile choke systems)
and they have really good (soft) recoil pads. Who needs a 12ga.
Posted By: SkunkHunter

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 06/10/14 12:59 AM

The tack driving Skunk Slayer, RWS Diana model 45 in .177

Just in case you're wondering, I got THREE that afternoon.
Posted By: Spider-Pig

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 06/10/14 01:30 AM

Three what? Squirrels?

I like your shotguns, Randy. They're manufactured in Turkey, correct?
Posted By: gun dog

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 06/10/14 01:34 AM

Three!!!!!!????

Eyeballing a S&W 617 with a 6 in barrel. Since I've decided not to go NFA my trust money becomes gun money...
Posted By: SkunkHunter

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 06/10/14 01:37 AM

Haha, three Skunks Adam. Squirrels, Patty won't let me shoot them. She just doesn't understand OUR Squirrel Problem.
Posted By: SkunkHunter

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 06/10/14 01:38 AM

Oh, and Yeah, they are manufactured in Turkey. Same place as I believe the Benelli's and Beretta's are.
Posted By: gun dog

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 06/10/14 01:41 AM

I'm not aware of benelli or berretta being made there. I know stoger and maybe franchi
Posted By: Spider-Pig

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 06/10/14 02:18 AM

Benellis and Berettas are still made in Italy. Stoeger is owned by Beretta, but they're still made in Turkey. Not sure about Franchi.
Posted By: gun dog

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 06/10/14 02:26 AM

^^^^ what he said
Posted By: Endeavour Morse

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 06/10/14 02:59 AM

IIRC the Franchi's I owned were Italian.
Posted By: Andy the Aussie

Well I am in the process of working up some loads for my .375H&H with Woodleigh Hyrdostatically Stabilised 300gn projectiles.... at $56 per 20 projectiles (alone) I hope my first attempts at decent groups are successful....LOL Then I am also waiting for my Steyr SSG trigger guard to get back from the gunsmith so I can get that all screwed together... Posted By: SkunkHunter ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 06/10/14 11:54 AM Originally Posted by Spider-Pig Benellis and Berettas are still made in Italy. Stoeger is owned by Beretta, but they're still made in Turkey. Not sure about Franchi. I stand corrected and thank you for the information. I just took for granted that since they used the benelli/beretta choke systems that they were made there. Posted By: Ishikawa ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 06/10/14 12:19 PM Do you guys know where in Turkey they are made? Ismir? Posted By: SkunkHunter ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 06/10/14 12:26 PM Not sure anyone ever said exactly were in Turkey, but I do know it's a major manufacturer that makes a lot of different (branded) guns. Posted By: Spider-Pig ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 06/10/14 02:48 PM YIKES! Well, I hope you get what you're after, Andy. Cape Buffalo? Posted By: Endeavour Morse ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 06/10/14 03:54 PM Originally Posted by SkunkHunter I just took for granted that since they used the benelli/beretta choke systems that they were made there. Benelli has two different chokes systems now. My M2 uses the Crio System, but my M1 uses the original Benelli pattern choke. They are not interchangeable. The Crio chokes are for thin wall cryogenically treated barrels only. Posted By: Endeavour Morse ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 06/10/14 03:54 PM I do not like having to keep two sets of chokes for basically identical shotguns (from the same manufacturer). Posted By: gun dog ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 06/10/14 04:11 PM Wonder which chokes the tactical m2 and m4 use Posted By: SkunkHunter ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 06/10/14 04:42 PM Originally Posted by Architect I do not like having to keep two sets of chokes for basically identical shotguns (from the same manufacturer). That does seem kind of goofy. I remember when I had my Berretta semi (beretta copy of the Benelli, WAY back in the 90's it was a very thin walled barrel. Posted By: SkunkHunter ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 06/10/14 04:42 PM Originally Posted by Architect Originally Posted by SkunkHunter I just took for granted that since they used the benelli/beretta choke systems that they were made there. Benelli has two different chokes systems now. My M2 uses the Crio System, but my M1 uses the original Benelli pattern choke. They are not interchangeable. The Crio chokes are for thin wall cryogenically treated barrels only. My weatherby's are the mobile choke system, and they are ported. I WAS going to put a scope of somekind, a reflex in particular, but I've since changed my mind and am going to leave them be for now. I was just (In the back of my mind) bothered by something sticking up on top of a shotguns receiver. I guess I am REAL old school. Posted By: Spider-Pig ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 06/10/14 06:06 PM Don't you already have something sticking up on the receiver? Those open sights are enormous. That's ok as long as they work, and I assume they do or else you would've said something by now. Posted By: Spider-Pig ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 06/10/14 06:08 PM If I ever put a pg on my house shotgun then I would put a reflex sight on it. Posted By: Spider-Pig ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 06/10/14 06:13 PM Lets talk about favorite non-hunting pistol cartridges. I'm sure most here prefer 9mm or .40, but I'm a big bore guy so I like .45acp. I've even thought about buying a .50GI conversion for my Glock 21 just for grins. The only thing that is stopping me is the ammo is proprietary. Posted By: gun dog ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 06/10/14 06:40 PM For me the gun tends to pick the ammo it feels best with so I like 9 40 45 357 I'm not picky Posted By: Spider-Pig ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 06/10/14 06:46 PM Not me. In my case the cartridge picks the gun every time. Posted By: Endeavour Morse ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 06/10/14 06:49 PM The handgun cartridges I find useful are: 22LR - training and small game 380Acp - when you can't carry anything else (and BUG) 9mm - when you need lots of rounds 45Acp - preferred self defense option 10mm - best handgun cartridge IMHO (when loaded to real 10mm level unlike 99% of factory ammo). It shoots flat to 100yards, has the recoil of a 40SW, is ballisticaly superior to a 357 Magnum, enough velocity and power for use against 2 and 4 legged predators, is a cross over hunting round, and lastly...is available in a 15rd Glock. Posted By: Endeavour Morse ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 06/10/14 06:49 PM Originally Posted by Spider-Pig Not me. In my case the cartridge picks the gun every time. Ditto. Posted By: SkunkHunter ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 06/10/14 06:50 PM Personally I also like a .45. First pistol I ever bought was an H&R Sidkick with a 2 inch barrel. Couldn't hit a barn at 2 feet with that thing! (I was 16 when I bought it). My next was a Llama 45. Not the most accurate either, but got me enamored with the mighty 45! Posted By: Endeavour Morse ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 06/10/14 06:52 PM If 10mm ammunition wasn't$1.50 / round (when you can find it loaded to real 10mm levels...not 40SW levels) I wouldn't own a 45Acp. There isn't anything a 45Acp can do that a 10mm cannot do better.

10mm is an ideal round for people who live in rural areas. It is probably less than ideal for urbanites. Over penetration could be an issue in a crowd.

Posted By: SkunkHunter

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 06/10/14 06:52 PM

Gary, when the whole Bren 10 thing started I thought the problem with the 10mm was that it had to much recoil for the "Average" cop.
Posted By: Endeavour Morse

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 06/10/14 06:54 PM

Since 10mm is so expensive I have a couple of HKs in 45Acp. They're not the best gun for concealed carry, but I appreciate the quality, 100% reliability, and extreme durability / lifespan. The HK USP 45 and HK45 Series are the Busse of the handgun world. There are prettier, and more expensive...but not really anything that is better (overall).

The best shooting handgun I've ever owned was a 45Acp. Les Baer.
Posted By: Spider-Pig

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 06/10/14 06:57 PM

I think the 10mm is a GREAT round, but I always considered it a hunting round even though it never really was intended to be. It's a shame it never really gained very much popularity, but it looks like that might be changing.
Posted By: Endeavour Morse

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 06/10/14 06:58 PM

Originally Posted by SkunkHunter
Gary, when the whole Bren 10 thing started I thought the problem with the 10mm was that it had to much recoil for the "Average" cop.

The FBI issued the S&W 1006 uniformly to all agents. Small statured female agents complained about the recoil. Companies responded by reducing the powder charge to 40SW levels. Someone relized there was unused case capacity and cut it down...suddenly the 40 Short & Weak was born.

I've owned 25-30 40SW handguns, and three 10mm. I cannot tell much of a difference shooting 175gr Silvertip Hollow Points through a Glock 20SF as compared to shooting 180gr Hydrashoks through a Glock 23.

I've sold all of my 40SWs because I didn't like the recoil. I know this sounds hypocritical, but consider this...

The 40Sw is typically squeezed into a 9mm package while the 10mm is typically rattling around in a 45Acp package. The larger frame more than makes up the difference in the 10mm's recoil.
Posted By: Endeavour Morse

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 06/10/14 07:01 PM

10mm recoil is exaggerated on the errornets. Its much like the so called stopping power of the 45acp. Does a 10mm recoil more than a 9mm? Yes. However, a medium frame 357 Mag is MUCH worse. MUCH MUCH worse. Does the 45Acp have the ability to stop an assailant? Yes. Will it "blow him clean off his feet" (as I've read repeatedly). Absolutely not. Shot placement, bullet selection, clothing penetrated, etc all contribute to the success or failure of the round's performance.

Posted By: Spider-Pig

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 06/10/14 07:01 PM

I've only shot one .40, and I HATED the recoil. The plate in my wrist didn't like that snappy little round, and I have no problem tolerating full house .44 mag loads.
Posted By: Endeavour Morse

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 06/10/14 07:03 PM

Originally Posted by Spider-Pig
I think the 10mm is a GREAT round, but I always considered it a hunting round even though it never really was intended to be. It's a shame it never really gained very much popularity, but it looks like that might be changing.

The problem with 10mm is the availability of full house ammo. If Federal or someone similar would start offering 175gr x 1250pfs ammo consistently....you'd see a whole lot of 45Acps going up for sale. Unfortunately, nobody seems interested in offering a good cartridge.
Posted By: Endeavour Morse

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 06/10/14 07:04 PM

Originally Posted by Spider-Pig
I've only shot one .40, and I HATED the recoil. The plate in my wrist didn't like that snappy little round, and I have no problem tolerating full house .44 mag loads.

Agreed. 40SW recoil is "abrupt". Many people complain about it. 10mm is nothing like it.

45Acp tend to "push".
9mm tend to "muzzle flip".
40SW tend to "snap".
10mm tend to be a combination of 9 and 45. They sort of "push up and back quickly".
Posted By: Endeavour Morse

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 06/10/14 07:07 PM

My LEAST favorite non-hunting HG round is 38 Special. This is because of the guns chambered for it. An Airweight J-Frame with +P ammo SUCKS in the recoil department. If I were to have a full size 357 bore revolver it would be a 357 Mag that I shot 38Spl through for fun. This, in my opinion, is the only purpose for the round.

I carried a Smith J-Frame as a BUG for A LOT of years. Hate them.
Posted By: Spider-Pig

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 06/10/14 07:08 PM

442?
Posted By: Endeavour Morse

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 06/10/14 07:23 PM

637 and 642
Posted By: Spider-Pig

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 06/10/14 07:32 PM

You told me years ago, I was thinking of the 642. I'm not sure if a 442 even exists.
Posted By: Spider-Pig

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 06/10/14 07:33 PM

Just checked, it does.
Posted By: Endeavour Morse

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 06/10/14 07:39 PM

442 is the blue version.
Posted By: SkunkHunter

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 06/10/14 07:41 PM

I've got an S&W 357 Model 60-10 (I think). Anyway it's a 5 shot 3inch SS 357 mag that carries really nice. I don't traditionally like revolvers, and it's one of only two that I own. The other is my Ruger .357 Convertible with the secondary 9mm cylinder.
Posted By: Endeavour Morse

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 06/10/14 07:42 PM

I'm not a revolver guy either, but I do appreciate them aesthetically.
Posted By: SkunkHunter

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 06/10/14 07:44 PM

My favorite handgun is a long discontinued Sig Sauer P225 9mm. first handgun I bought when I retired.
Posted By: SkunkHunter

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 06/10/14 07:45 PM

I wish I hadn't sold my P229 in 40S&W. I liked that gun.
Posted By: Spider-Pig

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 06/10/14 07:54 PM

I'm a revolver guy. I LOVE, LOVE, LOVE revolvers. My carry gun is a revolver that shoots .45acp. It's huge but it is made of scandium and titanium alloys so the weight isn't noticeable.
Posted By: SkunkHunter

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 06/10/14 07:59 PM

I saw the picture of it. Uses full moon clips. Can you use half moon clips if you wanted or needed to?
Posted By: Spider-Pig

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 06/10/14 08:01 PM

Yes. I can also use autorims.
Posted By: SkunkHunter

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 06/10/14 08:04 PM

Autorims?
Posted By: Spider-Pig

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 06/10/14 08:09 PM

I use flexible plastic clips at the range. You have to be careful which ammo you use. If the cases aren't crimped on the projectiles properly then the recoil can cause them to become dislodged from the cases. I discovered this when the cylinder wouldn't rotate after the first shot. The projectiles had worked themselves forward out of the cases because there's no magazine to keep them contained. I had to reseat them with a stick so the cylinder would swing out.
Posted By: Spider-Pig

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 06/10/14 08:10 PM

45 autorims are just rimmed ammo so you find have to use clips.
Posted By: SkunkHunter

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 06/10/14 08:16 PM

Oh ok. So the shells do not headspace on the case mouths, right. At least I don't think they do.
Posted By: Spider-Pig

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 06/10/14 08:17 PM

Right.
Posted By: SkunkHunter

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 06/10/14 08:19 PM

OK. Mark this down. Today I was correct, at least once.
Posted By: Ray Settanta

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 06/11/14 12:14 AM

Randy, when was the last time you were right? It must have been before I joined the forum.
Posted By: gun dog

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 06/11/14 01:07 AM

O boy this is interesting
Posted By: Spider-Pig

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 06/11/14 02:59 AM

For those of you with children old enough, what was the first firearm you gave them?

My dad gave me an old Springfield single shot .22 bolt action rifle and a bolt action .410 shotgun that he had bought from an old widow for my 10th birthday. I'd love to give the .22 to my son when he's old enough, but it doesn't have a safety and it is a pain to caulk and de-caulk (censors won't let me say [censored]). That breaks my heart because I wanted to continue the tradition. I think I'll be getting him a Savage Rascal with a wooden stock instead, hopefully he can continue the tradition with his son.
Posted By: Endeavour Morse

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 06/11/14 03:26 AM

My first gun was a SGW lowered AR15A1 my uncle and I built. I was 10.
Posted By: Endeavour Morse

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 06/11/14 03:28 AM

This is if you discount the S&W Victory that I was given as a "test run". The firing pin was removed.
Posted By: Endeavour Morse

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 06/11/14 03:30 AM

I was 9.

I've owned AR15s continuously for the past 30 years.

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 06/11/14 03:32 AM

Originally Posted by Architect
My first gun was a SGW lowered AR15A1 my uncle and I built. I was 10.

And I got a Red Ryder when I was ten.
Posted By: SkunkHunter

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 06/11/14 05:11 AM

Originally Posted by Ray Settanta
Randy, when was the last time you were right? It must have been before I joined the forum.

It was before the turn of the century I am sure.
Posted By: SkunkHunter

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 06/11/14 05:16 AM

It might have been this thread, but mine was an Iver Johnson Single shot hammer fired 20ga. I was 9 or 10. I couldn't even kock it, had to use both hands. I'd put the stock between my legs and grab the hammer with both thumbs on it and could kock it.
Posted By: gun dog

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 06/11/14 03:41 PM

Mine was a remington 870 then a s&w15-22 MOE
Posted By: Spider-Pig

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 06/11/14 04:28 PM

Originally Posted by Architect
My first gun was a SGW lowered AR15A1 my uncle and I built. I was 10.

And I got a Red Ryder when I was ten.

"You'll shoocher eye out, kid!"
Posted By: Spider-Pig

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 06/11/14 04:34 PM

When I was growing up I lived in a very rural area in an arid climate. When we went shooting we just loaded up the truck and headed for the boonies (about a mile down a dirt road). There was a natural wash that was dry 99% of the time, so we just got in the bottom and did our shooting. Good times.

We don't have that where I live now, so I'm going to get on the two year long waiting list for the local gun club. My son will be a little closer to shooting age by then, and if 2 years turns into 4 then that's perfect. He'll probably get his first rifle before he gets his RMD I bought him when he was born.
Posted By: SkunkHunter

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 06/11/14 06:56 PM

Adam, when I was growing up and was up at Grandma and Grandpa's all I had to do was walk across the dirt road, or go the other direction and climb over an old woven wire fence.
Posted By: Spider-Pig

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 06/11/14 11:15 PM

We could've gotten away with doing the same, but my dad was adamant about being at least 1 mile away from the nearest house.

When I was a kid I was almost shot with a .22 from a neighbors house about aquarter mile away. An accident, but still. Me and my dad were sitting in the barn drinking some tea and a coffee can full of miscellaneous nuts and bolts that I was sitting right next to made a "pop" sound, then we heard the crack in the distance. They were shooting rabbits. From that distance it probably wouldn't have hurt me unless it hit me in the eye or something.
Posted By: rth548

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 06/12/14 05:46 AM

My first gun was a 20 gauge single shot FIE that Dad won on a punch board and gave to me for my 10th birthday. I've had a lot of guns come and go since then, but that old 20 gauge is still in the closet, and will be until I kick off. Then it'll go to my grandson.
Posted By: SkunkHunter

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 06/12/14 06:08 AM

Adam, the nearest house to Grandma and Grandpa's WAS a mile away, through the woods.
Posted By: monsterdog

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 06/12/14 10:05 PM

Just catching up on this thread.

I prefer .40S&W right now (because it's all I own.) During 2013 it was still easy to find ammo while everyone was struggling to find 9mm or .45ACP.

First gun.. .177 break barrel air pistol at age 10
Posted By: lazi

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 06/21/14 04:59 PM

I tossed it around for a while now and I'm pretty sure that 7.62x39 is my "go to" rifle round.

Those Sarslimaz pistols got down to some pretty low prices for a while if I recall. Just googled it... Basically a Witness for $250 and accepts CZ newer style mags is what I just read. I also didn't know there was a steel version at some point. I can't say I have seen many if any bad reviews on any if the CZ pistols or the clones. Already blew my budget with a scope and some knick knacks so I'm just talking. I think... You know, I do still need to replace my M&P40 with a full sized 9mm like I had intended. I was also leaning towards a Hi-Power clone for a budget pistol purchase at some point. Mostly just something not too expensive to have here or there when needed. There's a HiPower clone called the Arcus DA98 that gets some decent marks and has a metal frame that I was leaning towards. I liked the idea of the added heft but realistically I'm not tough enough on any of my gear to think it matters that much. And seeing as how a CZ75 SP-01 is still very high in my list for a main 9mm full sized carry pistol the SAR actually seems a more attractive fit. Shared mags and similar build and all... Definitely something to think about for the b-day.... Posted By: greaser ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 06/29/14 11:24 PM I am more than impressed with it for the 240 I paid you cant even come close to it. Buds gun shop still has some decent prices on them, I got it because I wanted a in between carry piece and after some range time I think it will more than suffice. Posted By: gun dog ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 06/30/14 01:03 AM Just ordered a Haley Strategic Partners DC3 chest rig and the trimmings. Got a discount so I decided to try it. Also got my g-code incog in the mail at my folks. Will pick it up later this week. Also got a double pistol mag holder from them. Posted By: greaser ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 06/30/14 01:41 AM Looks like a good set of gear too bad the chest rig doesn't have plate carriers but that is easy enough to remedy. Posted By: gun dog ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 06/30/14 01:51 AM Yeah I liked a low profile part and it can be worn under backpack straps easily. Very easy to mount on a player carrier. I'm saving for the SKD PIG. Seems to be a very nice carrier add ar500 plates and ready to rock. Buying slowly as funds allow. Posted By: lazi ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 07/02/14 07:50 PM Stumbled across a M44 (maybe M38) that would save me the cost of shipping and the FFL fee. Sure is tempting... Posted By: Endeavour Morse ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 07/04/14 09:54 PM Jeff, I love your Dan Wesson, USGI 1911A1, and 29! Posted By: Endeavour Morse ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 07/04/14 10:04 PM Originally Posted by gun dog Handled a Springfield Armory operator TRP... It was sweet! Sooo what 45acp guns do you guys run? Over the past 30 years I've had over three dozen 1911 variations, a dozen Sig P220 variations, six Glock 21/30/36, seven USP45, three HK45 CT, S&W 1917 US, Colt 1917 US, EAA Witness, Ruger P90, S&W CS45, and at least 15-20 more I can't think of at the moment. I sold my Les Baer Custom Carry and Les Baer SRP earlier this year. I seriously regret this, and will have another Baer. Currently, I have: HK45 Compact Tactical HK USP45 Springfield Armory TRP Posted By: SkunkHunter ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 07/05/14 06:24 AM WOW that's a lot of guns! Posted By: Endeavour Morse ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 07/05/14 07:06 PM That's just the 45 ACPs. This excludes all of the 22LR, 22Mag, 25 Acp, 32 Acp, 380 Acp, 38 Long Colt, 38 Special, 9x19mm, 40 S&W, 7.62x25mm, 357 Sig , 357 Mag, 10mm, 45 GAP, 45 (Long) Colt, 44 Magnum handguns I've had. Posted By: gun dog ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 07/06/14 06:35 PM Good grief...... That's amazing! Posted By: greaser ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 07/06/14 06:44 PM I am really interested in the 45 long colt what firearms were you running it in? Posted By: Endeavour Morse ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 07/06/14 08:51 PM The 45 Colts included a Ruger Vaquero, Ruger Convertible Blackhawk (2 cylinders), and a Winchester 94. 45 Colt in its factory load offerings is WEAK. However, a hand loader can really bring out its potential (as long as you're shooting them through an overbuilt gun like the Blackhawk). Posted By: Endeavour Morse ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 07/06/14 08:55 PM The 94 was a "Trails End" model - very sexy. I'd like to pick up a Marlin 1985 SBL in 45-70. I don't have a real need for it, but it would fuel my dream of an Alaskan adventure (what I dream of doing as a retirement present in about 99 years). Posted By: lazi ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 07/06/14 10:31 PM Okay, I'm buying something this week! Just have to figure out what... Posted By: greaser ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 07/07/14 04:46 AM Do some research on the marlins Arch there are bad years for them I would hate to see you get a lemon. I would be hand loading the 45lc you will find the 45/70 is the same way factory loads are made for trap door guns and are really weak. Is the black hawk double action? I really want my revolver to be double action. That sar is calling to you Lazi. Posted By: Spider-Pig ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 07/07/14 04:53 AM The Blackhawk is single action. Ruger's big double action is the Redhawk. Posted By: greaser ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 07/07/14 04:43 PM Do they do that one in 45lc? This is what I am thinking I want for my one and only revolver. 454c and 45lc I really like the colt snakes and this is about as close as I can get that will fire the long colt. Posted By: Spider-Pig ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 07/07/14 04:47 PM The Redhawk is chambered in .44 Mag and .45 Colt. The Super Redhawk is chambered in .44 Mag, .454 Casull, and .480 Ruger. Posted By: greaser ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 07/07/14 04:49 PM OK thanks Spidey. Posted By: Spider-Pig ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 07/07/14 04:51 PM No problem! Posted By: Spider-Pig ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 07/07/14 04:52 PM It's a shame that Colt got out of the revolver business. Posted By: Ray Settanta ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 07/07/14 05:06 PM They stopped making the SAA? Posted By: Spider-Pig ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 07/07/14 05:12 PM I should've been specific. They stopped making DA revolvers. Thanks for catching that. Posted By: Ray Settanta ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 07/07/14 06:45 PM Man, you scared me. I have been saving up for a SAA for a long time. Although they probably will discontinue them before I have enough money for one. LOL. Posted By: Spider-Pig ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 07/07/14 07:06 PM Sorry about that. At least you're not saving up for a new Anaconda. I just dropped a money order in the mail for an old beater Colt Woodsman. I sure would like those make a return. Posted By: greaser ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 07/07/14 11:33 PM Yeah the snakes are going for crazy money now. I wish I would have bought the king cobra I was offered years ago. I would like to see them bring out a new run of them, I don't think it will ever happen but it would be nice. Posted By: Ray Settanta ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 07/08/14 12:02 AM I have heard many good things over the years about the Woodsman. Posted By: gun dog ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 07/08/14 12:22 AM So if somebody gave you$1650 for a 1911 what would you get.
I'm looking at Dan Wesson, springfield Armory TRP operator, or para ordanace black ops, or colt rail gun and do some work. Or sig and add work.
By work I mean get rid of all MIM parts.
Posted By: lazi

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 07/08/14 12:24 AM

Originally Posted by gun dog
So if somebody gave you $1650 for a 1911 what would you get. Coonan .357 mag... Posted By: Spider-Pig ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 07/08/14 12:26 AM I don't have anything to offer since I've only ever fired one 1911. I do know the railed Colts are heavy. Posted By: Andy the Aussie ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 07/08/14 12:32 AM Originally Posted by gun dog So if somebody gave you$1650 for a 1911 what would you get.
...SIG 220 or a Glock 21 and if you could find it an S&W 4516, the FNs are also nice but I don't have enough range time with one.. Yes...I do know that none are a 1911 BTW and yes I do happen to have a worked over Colt 1911 and love it "but" and it is the "but" that is the problem. Just as long as it is not your only working tool in that field the 1911 is OK.

I would take a Browning HP over a 1911 each and everyday of the week...
Posted By: greaser

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 07/08/14 12:42 AM

Originally Posted by Andy the Aussie

I would take a Browning HP over a 1911 each and everyday of the week...

This time I disagree with you Andy but it may just be my affinity for the 1911 that is tainting my opinion of the Hi-power (they are great guns just not better than the 1911 for me).

I would get any of the name brand ones in the 5 to 9 hundred dollar range change anything you didn't like then buy a XD45 to go with it. LOL at least that's what I did.

SIG
Springfield
Ruger
Ect....
even the Taurus if you factor in a duracoat or ceracoat job is a great choice.
Get some Wilson combat mags and you are good to go.
Posted By: Spider-Pig

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 07/08/14 12:46 AM

I've heard the Springfield Range Officer is a good starting point.
Posted By: Andy the Aussie

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 07/08/14 01:01 AM

Originally Posted by greaser

This time I disagree with you Andy but it may just be my affinity for the 1911 that is tainting my opinion of the Hi-power (they are great guns just not better than the 1911 for me).combat mags and you are good to go.
.... indeed mate, this is a very very personal thing... and there really is no "right and wrong" only what is right for me vs you. Having owned both at different times (funnily enough I don't have a BHP at the moment)there is just nothing the 1911 does better for me... especially put holes in targets just where I want them. But as noted, I also have a 1911 and have done since the 80s..... It is not a case of dislike, not by any streatch of the imagination....
Posted By: greaser

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 07/08/14 01:33 AM

I hear you and agree it is just a personal choice thing as with most firearms some just work for you while others don't.
Posted By: gun dog

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 07/08/14 03:05 AM

Yep I will always have glocks. As for the sig I just haven't shot da/Sa enough to get a feeling for it. And sigs girl angle is nothing like the glocks I grew up on. But heck I will probably have all eventually lol
Posted By: Endeavour Morse

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 07/08/14 02:00 PM

Originally Posted by gun dog
So if somebody gave you $1650 for a 1911 what would you get. I'm looking at Dan Wesson, springfield Armory TRP operator, or para ordanace black ops, or colt rail gun and do some work. Or sig and add work. By work I mean get rid of all MIM parts. None of the above. For$1650 you're in striking distance of a Les Baer Custom Carry. Its all the 1911 you'll ever need.
Posted By: Endeavour Morse

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 07/08/14 02:07 PM

Regarding the 1911's suitability as a "field gun"....
I agree and disagree with Andy.

I wouldn't take a "hobby grade" MIM filled 1911 into harm's way unless "harm's way" is defined as a trip to WalMart with a low round count MIM gun. Past that, and I'll take a Glock or HK any day.

Once you break the ceiling, and start looking at Les Baer, Ed Brown, Wilson, Springfield Pro, etc. then yes I would wholeheartedly take that 1911 anywhere.

I've owned dozens of 1911's, and have worn out Mimbers (yes, this is a slam on Kimber's extensive use of MIM parts), broken a Colt, blew up a MilSpec Springfield, and had a several Para Ords that wouldn't go bang reliably. I've had a Sig 1911 that went back to the factory so many times I swore I'd never own another one of their current products. The sights FELL OFF the Taurus I had, and the Llama...well...it was a Llama.

I've never had a problem with original Series 70 Colts, US Property Marked 1911s (some of which were EXTREMELY high round count rebuilds) or Les Baers.

I can have any 1911 I want, and I choose Les Baer. They aren't as refined as an Ed Brown, and they aren't "made to order" like a Wilson but I believe them to be more reliable / duty qualified and they're more accurate in my experience. They also can be had for $500-1500 less. Posted By: Endeavour Morse ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 07/08/14 03:40 PM I have a Springfield TRP as a "beater". The FL guide rod is in the trash can, and a EB GI plunger has been installed. I plan on one of two courses of action (in due time): A) Sell it and buy another Les Bear. B) Send it to Springfield's Custom Shop for replacement of all MIM parts. Regardless if I keep the TRP in its factory guise, rebuilt by the CS, or sell it - I will have another Les Baer. Out of the hundreds of handguns I've shot the LB was the only one that really put a smile on my face. It just "fit" and was more accurate than it needs to be. Posted By: gun dog ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 07/08/14 03:44 PM Ok I will check in les Posted By: Endeavour Morse ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 07/08/14 04:00 PM You'll be well served by a LB. People will say Ed Brown is finished better, and Wilson has more options and better Customer Service. However, the few people I've heard of having problems with their LB spoke directly to Les, and I'll spend the$800 difference between a LB Custom Carry and EB Special Forces on ammo.
Posted By: Spider-Pig

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 07/08/14 04:19 PM

I've considered buying a Les Baer a few times.

The first time I heard of Les Bear was from a book I read back in the '90's, "The Relic." I look into them every 5 years or so. I love the thought of having one, but it would only be a range gun for me. My carry gun will not have a manual safety, and my fighting gun will be high capacity. That doesn't leave any room for the Baer, so I doubt I'll ever own one. A CZ97 will probably be the closest I ever come.

I'm hoping gun dog gets the Les Baer, only because I know he'll love it.

Posted By: greaser

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 07/08/14 04:37 PM

Les bears are sick 1911s but mine is a range queen that I am slowly building up, yes it will cost the same in the long run but into the short run I was able to buy it and a real carry gun plus have money for ammo. Not disagreeing with you Arch I am just thinking that GD has a small collection why not build it up a bit. My Taurus pt1911 has been flawless (I did change the sights) and Wilson combat non mim parts are easy to be had. This is where I am coming from.
Posted By: Spider-Pig

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 07/08/14 05:12 PM

What are y'alls opinions on the Guncrafter Industries 1911s?
Posted By: gun dog

The lesbear recon is close to what I want but I think the price tag is $2300! Posted By: gun dog ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 07/08/14 07:59 PM Wilson light rail looks to be about$3200 and the equivalent night hawk is about the same price. Ouch... So who makes 1911s that don't use MIM parts?
Posted By: greaser

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 07/08/14 08:22 PM

Good info between the brand fighting here. Lol
Posted By: Endeavour Morse

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 07/08/14 08:26 PM

I have no interest in having another railed 1911. The balance is dreadful. Honestly, I know the conventional wisdom is to put a light on your fighting handgun (and I espoused this for years) but in practice it isn't ideal.

When just "looking around" because you heard a noise - pointing your gun at what could be your neighbor doesn't make them happy (ask how I know this).

Lights make holster selection, and carry comfort difficult.

I keep a light on my nightstand gun, but not my carry gun. I carry a high quality light with me (clipped in my weak hand back pocket). This allows the light to be used the 99.9999999999999999999999999999999% of the time I just need a flashlight, but it can be used in conjunction with the weapon if needed.
Posted By: Endeavour Morse

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 07/08/14 08:26 PM

Originally Posted by Spider-Pig
What are y'alls opinions on the Guncrafter Industries 1911s?

No personal experience, but I've read high praise from people: a) claiming to own and use them; b) claiming to own and use the other big names.
Posted By: Endeavour Morse

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 07/08/14 08:27 PM

I do think a duty sidearm needs a light. Different situation. You're carrying an exposed sidearm in a more durable holster and have a separate light on your belt.
Posted By: Endeavour Morse

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 07/08/14 08:37 PM

Originally Posted by greaser
Good info between the brand fighting here. Lolhttp://forums.1911forum.com/showthread.php?t=282723

That link made me laugh, because it references the early non-MIM Sig 1911s. I had one of those - it went back to Sig no less than seven times.

I forgot to add S&W to the list of 1911s I've had. I've owned three of their guns.

Right or wrong I separate gun owners into five categories:

LEVEL ONE = people who own a gun. It doesn't matter why they have it - it doesn't how they acquired it. They have a gun but that's the extent of it.

LEVEL TWO = commoners. These are the people that bought a gun because they thought they needed one (for hunting, self defense, whatever). They use whatever they bought and are satisfied.

LEVEL THREE = hobbyist. This is lowest level of "gun personhood". These are the people are truly interested in guns, talk about them, own and use them. They are also satisfied with "good enough". This means their Rock River AR15 is "good enough" and the extra attention, quality control, and manufacturing processes and materials of a Colt AR15 are just hype - just a marketing tool to rob dumb people of extra money.

LEVEL FOUR = semi-pros. This is where people who actually push their gear end up. These aren't the "it looks like the real thing so it has to be good enough" crowd. They've seen LEVEL THREE people's gear fail - repeatedly.

LEVEL FIVE = pros. This is the elite group of users, builders, etc that are at the apex of the gun culture.

I place myself at LEVEL FOUR.
Posted By: Endeavour Morse

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 07/08/14 08:40 PM

At the height of my training and interest I was shooting 5-7000 rounds a month of centerfire ammo.
Posted By: Endeavour Morse

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 07/08/14 08:41 PM

This level quickly separates the wheat from the chaff. I wore out a top of the line Kimber in less than four months. They sent me a new one. This was a $1400 gun (over a decade ago$1400 bought a lot more gun).
Posted By: Endeavour Morse

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 07/08/14 08:42 PM

I use to shoot with someone I'd place at LEVEL FIVE. His issue Glock 21 had a frame rail separation one day when he hit 61,000rds of +P.
Posted By: gun dog

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 07/08/14 09:38 PM

My uncle has a buddy on his department that had the slide fall off the front of his glock... But he is a level 5 and getting up in the 3gun ranks.

So in a 1911 which is better. A series 70 or 80 firing system.
To me it looks like the high end uses 70 from my limited research.
Posted By: greaser

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 07/08/14 10:08 PM

I am a level 4 with a level 3 budget so I buy the good enough guns then spend more than the level 5 guns money getting them to level 4.
Posted By: gun dog

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 07/08/14 10:11 PM

Posted By: SkunkHunter

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 07/09/14 05:17 AM

This has turned into a VERY good and interesting/informative thread.
Posted By: Andy the Aussie

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 07/09/14 07:27 AM

I use what I know to work, that does not mean the most expensive, not the cheapest either. If I have not seen a firearm used over and over by better users than I (and I mean see not read about as there is too much BS in the firearms media)I am not interested.

Posted By: SkunkHunter

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 07/09/14 07:38 AM

I have a (Generation ONE I guess) Glock 17. It belonged to a deceased police officer I worked with WAY back in 74-76. I knocked off the rear plastic sight and I NEED to replace it. I am thinking about going with express sights, Shallow V rear and Round dot front. That is my Favorite type sight. I have trouble lining up conventional sights. The elevation is fine, but the windage throws me off all the time.
Posted By: Endeavour Morse

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 07/09/14 12:33 PM

Originally Posted by greaser
I am a level 4 with a level 3 budget so I buy the good enough guns then spend more than the level 5 guns money getting them to level 4.

LOL! Been there brother!!!!
Posted By: Endeavour Morse

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 07/09/14 12:34 PM

Originally Posted by gun dog
My uncle has a buddy on his department that had the slide fall off the front of his glock... But he is a level 5 and getting up in the 3gun ranks.

So in a 1911 which is better. A series 70 or 80 firing system.
To me it looks like the high end uses 70 from my limited research.

Series 70 can be tuned to provide a "better" (subjective term) trigger pull. I do not like Series 80 due to the extra (unnecessary) parts.
Posted By: Endeavour Morse

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 07/09/14 12:45 PM

Originally Posted by Andy the Aussie
I use what I know to work, that does not mean the most expensive, not the cheapest either. If I have not seen a firearm used over and over by better users than I (and I mean see not read about as there is too much BS in the firearms media)I am not interested.

I could not agree more about gun media. I use to spend hours standing in a store reading every gun magazine that was published (every month - for YEARS). About four or five years ago I stopped doing this, because the quality of information had dropped to literally being an extended advertisement and the weapon analysis dropped to the level of "it has plastic grips". Really? Plastic grips - WOW - I need one of those.

This past weekend I picked up a gun magazine at WalMart to thumb through. This is the first time I've looked at one in a VERY long time. I was astounded to see that every gun in the magazine was "fit for zombie duty" after a grueling TWO HUNDRED ROUND "test".

200 rounds? I often shoot 200rds warming up.

How about shooting 2000rds in hot, wet, muddy conditions? That's a test.

Magazines are not paid for by subscribers. They are paid for by advertisers.

Gun companies are offering too many choices. How many variations of Sig are made today? When I bought my first Sig back in the early 1990's you had three choices: Sig P220, Sig P220 European in 38 Super, Sig P226. These were quality guns made in Europe. I'm not picking on Sig, but they're a "flavor of the week" company now with abysmal quality control and materials. They are nothing like Sig SAN was. I'd rather have less options and more quality.

Glock is another good example. They held true to their basic design for many many years. It wasn't until they introduced the Gen 4 that problems showed up. They started using more MIM parts (google Glock Extractor Problem) and changed the recoil system. The system had worked fine in the Sub-Compacts (which had extensive testing) so why wouldn't they work in full size guns (withOUT extensive testing...).
Posted By: Endeavour Morse

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 07/09/14 12:48 PM

Originally Posted by SkunkHunter
I have a (Generation ONE I guess) Glock 17. It belonged to a deceased police officer I worked with WAY back in 74-76. I knocked off the rear plastic sight and I NEED to replace it. I am thinking about going with express sights, Shallow V rear and Round dot front. That is my Favorite type sight. I have trouble lining up conventional sights. The elevation is fine, but the windage throws me off all the time.

Usually people have trouble with "nose up" elevation in Glocks due to their grip angle.

Replace the front and rear with a metal set of your choice. The rear can be drifted into place with a BRASS punch (put a little lithium grease in the channel to ease movement) and the front will screw on with a TINY screw inside the slide. You'll need to buy a special driver if you don't have one that'll fit. The head of the fastener is FLAT and SMALL. Add the best loctite you can afford!
Posted By: gun dog

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 07/09/14 03:02 PM

I've wondered where can you get the glock front sight tool?
Posted By: gun dog

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 07/09/14 03:05 PM

I agree that companies offer to many options instead of quality. The zombie stuff in the gun world is getting really out of hand IMHO
Posted By: Endeavour Morse

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 07/09/14 03:06 PM

Originally Posted by gun dog
I've wondered where can you get the glock front sight tool?

Ironically, mine is by Kimber.
Posted By: Endeavour Morse

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 07/09/14 03:06 PM

A lot of people sell them...

http://www.brownells.com/gunsmith-t...or-glocks-sku080001092-68749-138927.aspx
Posted By: gun dog

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 07/09/14 03:45 PM

Ok I will have to check it out!
Posted By: lazi

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 07/09/14 06:51 PM

Originally Posted by Architect

Right or wrong I separate gun owners into five categories:

LEVEL ONE = people who own a gun. It doesn't matter why they have it - it doesn't how they acquired it. They have a gun but that's the extent of it.

LEVEL TWO = commoners. These are the people that bought a gun because they thought they needed one (for hunting, self defense, whatever). They use whatever they bought and are satisfied.

LEVEL THREE = hobbyist. This is lowest level of "gun personhood". These are the people are truly interested in guns, talk about them, own and use them. They are also satisfied with "good enough". This means their Rock River AR15 is "good enough" and the extra attention, quality control, and manufacturing processes and materials of a Colt AR15 are just hype - just a marketing tool to rob dumb people of extra money.

LEVEL FOUR = semi-pros. This is where people who actually push their gear end up. These aren't the "it looks like the real thing so it has to be good enough" crowd. They've seen LEVEL THREE people's gear fail - repeatedly.

LEVEL FIVE = pros. This is the elite group of users, builders, etc that are at the apex of the gun culture.

I place myself at LEVEL FOUR.

Not to sound offened but man you didn't make us "level three" folks sound all that good. I know I'm not an "operator" to any degree but keep in mind most folks lifestyles simply don't support a level four or five mindset. Not just money and time but location and surroundings.

In most cases with us consumers the "quality" of most products is perceived and then realized. That's why they spend so much on the fancy packaging we toss in the landfills. It would be nice to know what a farmer knows when you shop for vegetables just like it would nice to be a mechanic when you buy a car. But other than to become a farmer and a mechanic I have to "Google" some stuff and take my chances with the lemons.

I may only put a few hundred rounds through a firearm but do I need to break it to trust it? If I shoot a firearm for 10K rounds and it breaks is it any better than if I only shot it for 250 rounds? 100 rounds? I admit I'm not that level of an operator or a competition shooter or whatever gets me there so my settings don't support a significant investment in high round counts. So a "good enough" evaluation makes a bit more sense for me. True my firearm my not get me through a shootout with a drug cartel and it may not work covered in mud after I drag it behind my car. I'll probably just stay out of the drug game and if I can I'll avoid the mud and just not drag any guns behind my car.

And... I know some people don't care for the zombie stuff and I get that. But tell them you don't care for folks "prepping" to shoot hoardes of their evil "lib" neighbors down in the streets like packs of rabid dogs due to some "impending" collapse of the governement and now we can argue why having a black rifle makes more sense than having a neon green one. Oakie Doakie... I just enjoy having these things myself but if your "survival" hinges on them. Cool...

I'm a "whatever tickles your woolies" kind of guy and I do like hearing about people burning through  in ammo in one afternoon. I can't justify doing it for myself though. If I did it would simply be for fun and I can't say it would've been for any sort of tactical advantage other than saying a gun can do it. I know that knowledge and experience makes a huge difference but there is also overkill. With my little collection as a "level three" guy I guess I'm stuck "good enough" which to almost everybody else is actally overkill. But as I tell them "Wait until the zombies start eating folks brains".

Again I hope I didn't sound offended. I just wanted to discuss my perspective a bit.

Posted By: gun dog

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 07/09/14 08:00 PM

I see exactly where you are coming from. I buy the best I can and have knowledge of but being a college student normally makes me a level three even if I want to be a 5
Posted By: gun dog

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 07/10/14 12:00 AM

Shot 50 rounds through this....

http://www.nighthawkcustom.com/pistols/grp.html

Never shot so good in my entire life!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted By: RN

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 07/10/14 12:38 AM

Someone just went to level 5...

Nice! A friends gun?
Posted By: gun dog

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 07/10/14 01:19 AM

Surprisingly a rental at a local range. I was looking at the costa edition and a Dan wesson specalist and the guy pointed out that model in the rental display.... It was amazing.
Posted By: gun dog

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 07/10/14 01:22 AM

I held a ed brown also. My favorite was the NH costa edition followed buy the DW specialist.... Suddenly I became a 1911 guy lol
Posted By: Endeavour Morse

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 07/10/14 01:57 AM

Lazi,
I wasn't passing judgement on people who KNOWINGLY buy L3 guns and gear. I was passing judgement on those who argue it's "just as good as" L4 and L5 guns and gear.

If you're a. L1 guy and that works for you - awesome - more money for something else you're more interested in.

I drive a BASE model vehicle. If they made a lower level model I'd buy it. I wear clothes from WalMart and the clearance rack at other Dept Stores. We don't have cable TV, go on vacations, go out to eat or see movies. We chose to spend on other stuff. To me, I'd rather have one top quality rifle than three lower quality rifles and three weekends of "going out". That's my life view.

YMMV (your mileage may vary) fits here.

There is a reason there have been countless Marlin 60 rifles sold. Most people don't want to spend $1000 on a Volquartsen (myself included). However, if I saw a need for a super accurate semi auto 22LR I might consider one. This isn't because I'm wealthy or flashy or a brand snob. I'm far from all of these things. It would be a result of me prioritizing my life long hobby above something else. Posted By: gun dog ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 07/10/14 02:08 AM True. Once you try level 5 gear you realize what you have been missing lol. Posted By: SkunkHunter ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 07/10/14 05:45 AM Gary, don't worry, the new sights front AND rear will both be metal. I reckon I will just have my local GS to order and install them for me. He'll only charge me 10 bucks to put them on. THEN I think I will go ahead and get my CCW at some time. I can get it (good for 5 years) for$78.00 cause I work for the Sheriff's office. That includes the Mandatory class and the CCW fee.
Posted By: SkunkHunter

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 07/10/14 05:55 AM

Then, WHAT do I actually carry?

I can carry a:

1. .45acp
2. 9mm
3. .40S&W
4. .380 acp
5. .32 acp
5. Hi-Standard 22WMR Derrenger.
6. 357 Mag three inch 5 shooter

Truly I wish I had another "Commander length" 45acp.
Maybe I should consider trading my SIG P220 for something.
Posted By: RN

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 07/10/14 09:20 AM

Originally Posted by gun dog
I held a ed brown also. My favorite was the NH costa edition followed buy the DW specialist.... Suddenly I became a 1911 guy lol

Did you shoot the Dan Wesson? Been drooling over a valor and watching YouTube videos of them and Ed Brown's too...oh mama they look sweet. I don't want feeds .45 though! Lol! With my love of all things cz, I was reading about the...85b (?) their 45 last night too...I like!
Posted By: gun dog

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 07/10/14 10:56 AM

That's pretty good randy!
Posted By: SkunkHunter

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 07/10/14 10:59 AM

20 years of acquisitions Mike.
Posted By: gun dog

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 07/10/14 11:00 AM

Didn't have a DW to rent but the ones in the case sure felt better than sig springfield and colt. And felt on par with the ED brown. Only better ones to my judgment was the Night hawks.

I will probably end up with a DW specialist. And eventually a NH
Posted By: SkunkHunter

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 07/10/14 11:02 AM

Well make that about 29 years. I forgot I had one of the 357s since 1985.
Posted By: lazi

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 07/10/14 02:20 PM

Originally Posted by Architect
Lazi,
I wasn't passing judgement on people who KNOWINGLY buy L3 guns and gear. I was passing judgement on those who argue it's "just as good as" L4 and L5 guns and gear.

Cool... I didn't want to seem offended or trying to argue. I got want you meant though. I just wanted to add my perspective as a low L3. I could buy all the L4-L5 type gear I want but in my hands it's still L3 at best.

Posted By: lazi

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 07/10/14 02:29 PM

And I still haven't figured out my next purchase. I was set on either a VZ2008 or the SAR B6P.

The price on the B6P keeps going up and down $20 so I may just go with the Witness P. The VZ is just going for such a good price I figure I should get one while they last. Posted By: Mastiff ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 07/10/14 04:49 PM I look at shooters more as Minute of Angle (MOA) capability. For instance, a +1 MOA shooter would be wasting their money on an expensive weapon. This type of shooter doesn’t shoot any better with an inexpensive firearm than with can a top of the line piece. They buy the best for bragging rights. A 1 MOA guy, or average shooter, would gain a bit more accuracy and/or range with a better bullet launcher, but usually lack the time, drive, and cash to practice, practice, practice. Even with exceptional ability, without the practice they will always remain 1 MOA shooters. When you get to ½ MOA, you can tell the difference between a middle of the pack weapon and a top of the line firearm. I would guess this is would be the limit that the vast majority of experienced shooter could hope to reach. And that they would be happy to be able to reach and maintain that level of proficiency. Uncle Sam afforded me the time and opportunity (and lots and lots of bullets) to reach this level. I’ve only seen a few ¼ MOA guys and they are impressive. Not physically, they were mostly on the other side of the hill and a bit on the scrawny side, but they had mastered all the elements of the shooting world. I met up with a ¼ MOA shooter on a rifle range once. He was an old Marine (has there ever been an ex-Marine?) and was paired up with him to shoot the match. He also happened to be the groundskeeper of the range. While he never said anything negative about my shooting, I’m sure he was shaking his head in the pits. When this guy started shooting the spindles out of the spotter disks while shooting offhand at 200 meters (100points/9X’s), I got an indication of his skill. This guy shot an old beat up M-1 Garand and had more X’s that the top two winners combined. He ended up shooting 449 out of 500 with five saved rounds. At 400 meters, shooting standing to sitting, he dropped his five rounds in the dirt and didn’t want to dirty his rifle. Tremendous shooter, and when I started talking to him after the match, everyone listened. So would I want a top of the line firearm that could let me compete with that old Marine? Sure, but like most firearms, the top end of the scale weapons tend to outshoot their handlers. And I’d rather have a reliable rifle that I can beat the crap out of and still get 1 MOA out of than a delicate ¼ MOA rifle that requires babying. Posted By: Endeavour Morse ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 07/10/14 05:07 PM Mastiff, This is good another example of area of interest. Precision shooters and IDPA shooters value ... precision ... and speed more than anything else. I gave up interest in precision shooting several years ago, because it wasn't "turning my crank". I have a friend that just picked up a WOA upper yesterday, because he likes all of the work that goes into precision shooting. I was talking to another friend, yesterday, that is going to buy a new skeet barrel this weekend. He's into skeet, trap, and sporting clays. Lazy, I understood what you were saying, and didn't think I had (overly) offended. My perspectives are based upon 30 years of INTENSE ownership and shooting, and my needs are different than everyone else's. Most people don't have the number of rounds down range or number of formerly owned guns that I do. For example, when you've owned DOZENS of AR15s you form strong opinions. Again, this isn't meant to cast judgement or being disparaging toward anyone's opinion / choice / whatever. Its an opportunity to learn from someone who's already spent copious amounts of time and money finding out what you will likely figure out if you're as committed as me....without having to spend the time and money. The shooting sports are nice because you have so many facets to invest your time and dollars into. Posted By: Endeavour Morse ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 07/10/14 05:07 PM Originally Posted by Architect Mastiff, This is good another example of area of interest. Precision shooters and IDPA shooters value ... precision ... and speed more than anything else. precision and speed, respectively Posted By: Mastiff ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 07/10/14 06:37 PM I for one always value the opinion of someone who's been there and done that. Why should I waste limited resources like money and time just to discover what hundreds of people have already discovered. And while everyone has opinions, I value the opinion of the guy that's "owned DOZENS of AR15s" over the guy that wants you to get brand XXX because that's the ONE he's familiar with. Posted By: Endeavour Morse ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 07/10/14 06:51 PM Mastiff, Thanks. That's what I was trying to convey. Posted By: gun dog ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 07/10/14 07:30 PM Experince is always invaluable! Posted By: Spider-Pig ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 07/10/14 07:33 PM I appreciate experience. I really appreciate it when those with that experience are willing to share their findings with others. Posted By: gun dog ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 07/10/14 08:33 PM I found and purchased two 22rd 40 cal glock mags today... Not for carry but since my get home gun is currently my glock it seemed like a good idea Posted By: SkunkHunter ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 07/10/14 08:40 PM OK, I said earlier I think I am gonna get my CCW. I Like Sigs (I've had 4 and still have 2, a P220 and a P225). I would like a .45acp to carry. I've found three Sigs that MIGHT make the list as a compact carry gun. 1. Sig P220R 2. Sig P227 3. Sig P250 Of the Three, which would Y'all recommend? OR what other gun, make/model for compact CCW? Posted By: SkunkHunter ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 07/10/14 08:42 PM Originally Posted by gun dog I found and purchased two 22rd 40 cal glock mags today... Not for carry but since my get home gun is currently my glock it seemed like a good idea MIKE, MAKE SURE THEY WORK!!!!! I once bought a SIG P220 15 round magazine for my P220 45 and It WAS NOT RELIABLE! Posted By: lazi ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 07/10/14 10:08 PM Walked into a shop today that was clearing out used guns from another store in another state. Had bunch a for$99. Mostly a bunch of single shots and shotguns.

I went in hoping to get a $100 H&R rifle to hopefully get my cousins shooting and hunting. Ended up getting a Marlin 336 with a Burris 3-9x32 scope for$240. Dated the gun and it's pretty clean for a 1977 rifle. I was hoping it was a 1975 but you really couldn't tell it was 30+ from the looks of it. I just saw the JM and no safety and figured I'd try it. It has a few Knicks and dings but nothing major on the wood and the metal surprisingly clean. Action is sold but I don't think this rifle saw a whole lot of rounds through it at all. Most likely bumped around a closet a good bit. Whoever sold it had it put away clean.

There was some good deals on shotgun that's for sure. I saw a like new youth model 870 go out the door for $100. Wish I had seen that one but I may go back and look again for a turkey shotgun. Posted By: Spider-Pig ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 07/10/14 10:11 PM Nice! What's the difference between a '77 and '75 336? Posted By: lazi ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 07/10/14 10:13 PM Arch man, you are spot on with a lot of the the info you share with us. Like the others I have really come to appreciate your posts. Posted By: lazi ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 07/10/14 10:16 PM Originally Posted by Spider-Pig Nice! What's the difference between a '77 and '75 336? As far as I know nothing other than the year I was born. Posted By: Spider-Pig ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 07/10/14 10:19 PM Oh, ok. So close! Posted By: greaser ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 07/10/14 10:27 PM Very nice the OG marlins are some of the best in the business. Posted By: gun dog ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 07/10/14 11:23 PM Originally Posted by SkunkHunter Originally Posted by gun dog I found and purchased two 22rd 40 cal glock mags today... Not for carry but since my get home gun is currently my glock it seemed like a good idea MIKE, MAKE SURE THEY WORK!!!!! I once bought a SIG P220 15 round magazine for my P220 45 and It WAS NOT RELIABLE! They are glock factory mags and I'm going to test then out this weekend. Posted By: RN ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 07/10/14 11:51 PM Originally Posted by RN Originally Posted by gun dog I held a ed brown also. My favorite was the NH costa edition followed buy the DW specialist.... Suddenly I became a 1911 guy lol Did you shoot the Dan Wesson? Been drooling over a valor and watching YouTube videos of them and Ed Brown's too...oh mama they look sweet. I don't want feeds .45 though! Lol! With my love of all things cz, I was reading about the...85b (?) their 45 last night too...I like! correction- the CZ 95...dang the lack of edit button! Posted By: lazi ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 07/10/14 11:55 PM Originally Posted by RN Originally Posted by RN Originally Posted by gun dog I held a ed brown also. My favorite was the NH costa edition followed buy the DW specialist.... Suddenly I became a 1911 guy lol Did you shoot the Dan Wesson? Been drooling over a valor and watching YouTube videos of them and Ed Brown's too...oh mama they look sweet. I don't want feeds .45 though! Lol! With my love of all things cz, I was reading about the...85b (?) their 45 last night too...I like! correction- the CZ 95...dang the lack of edit button! CZ97B? That's the current model .45 acp. Man I like the looks of that one. I think I'm just a full dust cover guy. Posted By: lazi ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 07/10/14 11:58 PM Originally Posted by gun dog Originally Posted by SkunkHunter Originally Posted by gun dog I found and purchased two 22rd 40 cal glock mags today... Not for carry but since my get home gun is currently my glock it seemed like a good idea MIKE, MAKE SURE THEY WORK!!!!! I once bought a SIG P220 15 round magazine for my P220 45 and It WAS NOT RELIABLE! They are glock factory mags and I'm going to test then out this weekend. I been meaning to get soon of those for my Sub2000. The 32 round Korean actually worked just fine in the S2K as well. I just would like shorter option. Posted By: greaser ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 07/11/14 12:03 AM I have some of the korean mags with bad base plates and I cant find ones that fit any idea of where to look? Posted By: gun dog ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 07/11/14 02:34 AM Korean mags for glock? Posted By: lazi ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 07/11/14 03:27 AM Originally Posted by gun dog Korean mags for glock? Korean 32 rounders for .40 cal. Since Glock didn't make any for a while it was the only option for extended mags. Similar build but not obviously not the same quality. They actually fit tighter in my S2K and won't fall where the factory 15 drops free. If that's the ones... Greaser, I think you can stick a regular glock base on there but you would need the retainer plate (don't know what it's called) to match. I think I swapped mine one and they worked. Was a good while back so I could be wrong. Also on mines it's just a +2 base so maybe check around for the Korean +2 extentions. Last suggestion would be to alter a +2 so that it's secure enough to not need the "retainer" and file the Korean ones down. I'm just tossing out ideas... Posted By: Andy the Aussie ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 07/11/14 05:43 AM My next toy that goes bang will be a Rem 7615. But I am also in the process of barrelling a Win 94 from .32 Winchester Special to .44Rem.. Posted By: SkunkHunter ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 07/11/14 05:52 AM Originally Posted by gun dog Originally Posted by SkunkHunter Originally Posted by gun dog I found and purchased two 22rd 40 cal glock mags today... Not for carry but since my get home gun is currently my glock it seemed like a good idea MIKE, MAKE SURE THEY WORK!!!!! I once bought a SIG P220 15 round magazine for my P220 45 and It WAS NOT RELIABLE! They are glock factory mags and I'm going to test then out this weekend. Mike, mine WAS a Sig Factory 15 rounder. Posted By: gun dog ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 07/11/14 02:59 PM Ok I will stay away from those sig mags haha Posted By: greaser ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 07/11/14 05:15 PM Ill check into the +2 base plates Lazi the glock base plates are too wide for some reason. Posted By: lazi ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 07/11/14 10:17 PM I had been thinking if getting a .357 H&R Handi Rifle some day. I just recalled that the H&R and NEF shotguns are built on the same receivers (SB1) as the pistol caliber rifles. I went back to the shop and got a case hardened NEF 3" 12 gauge for$80 otd. I'll probably send it in at some point for a .357 barrel. I was told it would run about $140. It seems a lot of guys are teeming them out to .357 maximum and getting good results. The shotgun barrel might come in handy if I ever get around to doing some turkey hunting. Posted By: gun dog ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 07/11/14 10:18 PM Cool project Posted By: Endeavour Morse ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 07/14/14 05:33 PM We sold a gun over the weekend, and bought a S&W Shield 9mm for my wife to carry (as an upgrade from her Ruger LCP 380Acp). We took it to the range, and put about 200rds through it. It was 100% reliable, and VERY accurate for me. It was VERY accurate for her, but she had a few stove pipes (due to limp wristing). This stopped after the round count increased and I locked her into a isosceles. Posted By: Spider-Pig ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 07/14/14 05:38 PM I've been thinking about upgrading my wife's carry pistol. It's nice to know the Shield performed well, that one is on the short list. I really wanted the Remington R51 to be a contender, but it has been receiving very poor reviews. Posted By: Ray Settanta ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 07/14/14 06:18 PM Originally Posted by Andy the Aussie My next toy that goes bang will be a Rem 7615. But I am also in the process of barrelling a Win 94 from .32 Winchester Special to .44Rem.. Does the 7615 have any advantages over an AR? Other than legal issues perhaps? Posted By: Andy the Aussie ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 07/14/14 08:58 PM None at all (other than not scaring the sheeple) but for me it is all about the legal restrictions. Andy Posted By: greaser ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 07/14/14 09:13 PM Originally Posted by lazi I had been thinking if getting a .357 H&R Handi Rifle some day. I just recalled that the H&R and NEF shotguns are built on the same receivers (SB1) as the pistol caliber rifles. I went back to the shop and got a case hardened NEF 3" 12 gauge for$80 otd. I'll probably send it in at some point for a .357 barrel. I was told it would run about $140. It seems a lot of guys are teeming them out to .357 maximum and getting good results. The shotgun barrel might come in handy if I ever get around to doing some turkey hunting. Let me know how this goes sounds like a great way to have a backpackable multi caliber gun. Posted By: greaser ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 07/14/14 09:20 PM Originally Posted by Spider-Pig I've been thinking about upgrading my wife's carry pistol. It's nice to know the Shield performed well, that one is on the short list. I really wanted the Remington R51 to be a contender, but it has been receiving very poor reviews. I like the shield but am thinking maybe a XDS in .45 instead. I never liked the look of the R51 (I know I know but I have to look at it while cleaning and using it at the range. lol) and it seemed way to complex a system for a carry gun. Posted By: gun dog ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 07/14/14 11:32 PM My moms xds9 has performed perfectly for her and myself. My mom loves it! Posted By: gun dog ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 07/14/14 11:33 PM Idk about the new remington. Just don't see how it's dealing is an improvement. Posted By: gun dog ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 07/15/14 07:54 PM So here is a question for you guys... Two glocks sitting on a table in your favorite caliber. One is a gen3 and one is a gen4.... Which would you pick and why! Posted By: Spider-Pig ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 07/15/14 08:04 PM Gen3 for simplicity. Posted By: greaser ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 07/15/14 08:53 PM Gen 3 for reliability. Posted By: gun dog ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 07/15/14 09:57 PM So I was talking with a gun smith and he said the finish on the gen3 is better. That Hardened steel is thicker along with the paint. Anyone heard of that? Posted By: Endeavour Morse ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 07/15/14 09:58 PM Gen 3. Unreliable gimmicks need not apply. Posted By: Endeavour Morse ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 07/15/14 09:59 PM That and thousands of trouble free rounds down range. Posted By: Andy the Aussie ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 07/15/14 11:45 PM Gen 3 without doubt. I have an overview knowledge of around 17,000+ Gen3s in use and it is really hard to fault them. Also very detailed knowledge of around 100 that are on a training cycle. They have had the bejesus shot out of them. Each revolver to SLP course is a minimum of 900 rounds per shooter, they get shot lots !!! Yes in the early days we kabooomed 20 !!! But that was all about cast projectiles and cleaning, a change to plated/jacketed saw that go away overnight. My personal 17 is also a Gen3 and and after toying with a Gen4 recently I will be buying ANOTEHR Gen3. They fit my hand well (again that is always personal) so no need to change. Posted By: greaser ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 07/16/14 01:54 AM Originally Posted by Andy the Aussie They fit my hand well (again that is always personal) so no need to change. This is the only reason I don't own 3 or more glocks, they do not feel right other than that they are pretty much bullet proof (pun intended). Posted By: gun dog ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 07/16/14 02:23 AM Glad I'm not the only one not on the gen4 band wagon. When I felt the gen4 I just didn't like the new recoil assembly and the way it effected the slide movement. Maybe I can find a rough textured frame glock to fill my desire for a frame with more grip. Posted By: gun dog ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 07/16/14 03:25 PM So another can of worms here... Glock vs M&P pistols? Posted By: greaser ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 07/18/14 12:25 AM LOL easy for me just for ergos alone = M&P all day long with a honorable mention of my favorite striker fired pistol the XD series. Posted By: lazi ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 07/18/14 01:37 AM I look at it like Ford vs. Chevy vs. Dodge. I have tried to want a glock but I just don't like how they feel. I like the M&P a whole lot as is but of course it doesn't have the track record or following as the Glock brand. I only sold my M&P40 because I didn't want to invest in that caliber any more. A M&P9 might be an option but I think I'd prefer to have DA/SA firearms. I think I'm going with the CZ75 line of firearms and clones with my next few purchases. Posted By: Endeavour Morse ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 07/18/14 09:27 PM Originally Posted by Spider-Pig I've been thinking about upgrading my wife's carry pistol. It's nice to know the Shield performed well, that one is on the short list. I really wanted the Remington R51 to be a contender, but it has been receiving very poor reviews. The R51 is a nonstarter IMHO. The Sheild was an impressive little gun. Again, I had zero malfs and she had two or three stove pipes. My wife is 5'4" x 115 pounds with very little upper body strength. The gun was stiff when new, and needed a strong wrist to keep the poly frame flex from short-stroking ejection. After I identified why it was SP'g we modified her stance and it cleared up. I think it'll be 100% for her (even if limp wristed) when it is fully broken in. I forgot to add originally, it is nearly impossible to seat a fully loaded 7rd mag. You have to conduct the ill-advised "pop the base plate" to get it to seat / mag catch to engage. Not a big deal, but worth noting. Posted By: Endeavour Morse ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 07/18/14 09:29 PM I've had two full size and one compact M&P (plus the Shield). I bought the M&Ps when they first came out, and had an issue with them going fully into battery. This is a common compliant online. Glocks do not have this problem even if you accidentally ride the slide a little during loading. This "problem" with the M&Ps concerned me greatly and they were quickly sold. All told I probably only fired 500-600 rounds through the three. Glocks aren't "contemporary" with regards to their ergos, but they are the most thoroughly tested and successful poly design. I trust Glock more than any other except perhaps the HK USP and children. Posted By: Andy the Aussie ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 07/18/14 10:23 PM Our SF Types are issued USPs (2 Commando and SAS) I think they originally got them for the CT Teams and they then (with the involvement in Iraq and Arsecrackestan)moved out onto the hips and gear of guys in the green teams as well. The H&K does not fit my hand as well as a Glock, some of that may well be familiarity as well. I have had a 17 (at least) since the mid 80s when they has slick grips and no serial number plate on the frame. Posted By: Endeavour Morse ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 07/19/14 03:10 PM The HK45 series has better ergos, but also the plastic buffer of the USP-C. The USP-F buffer is superior. They should have used it in the HK45. Just fired 232 rounds of Wolf out of my two Scar-16s. I had my first ever Wolf ammo related failure. Had one fail to go off. It had been stored in my black SUV for five years (thru 0F winters and 105F summers) so it's hard to say if it was a bad primer or storage issue. Nonetheless, out of over 10,000rds of Wolf this has been my first issue. Posted By: gun dog ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 07/19/14 03:29 PM So I actually was just looking at a h&k45 and was wondering if that or the usp 45 was better. Any thoughts. Posted By: Spider-Pig ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 07/19/14 05:43 PM I'm considering doing an AR build in the near future. It's either going to be a rifle in 6.8 SPC or a pistol in .300 BLK. I just need to decide which takes priority over the other. Posted By: Ray Settanta ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 07/19/14 06:44 PM I also debated between the two. I went with the pistol in .300 BLK because I did not have an AR pistol, the 6.8 SPC can't use AR 15 bolts or magazines and I can easily reform 5.56 brass into .300 BLK. Posted By: Spider-Pig ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 07/19/14 06:49 PM Yeah, the rifle would be dedicated 6.8 SPC if I decide to go that route. I already have a 5.56 rifle, so that's no big deal. Posted By: Spider-Pig ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 07/19/14 06:51 PM The rifle would be geared more toward hunting rather than defense. I just need to decide if I need another hunting rifle or another house pistol. Posted By: gun dog ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 07/19/14 08:38 PM Id love to get a 300 blk rifle but I haven't seen enough ammo around here to justify it. Posted By: Spider-Pig ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 07/19/14 08:39 PM Does anyone here know who sells the best lower parts kits? Posted By: Spider-Pig ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 07/19/14 08:40 PM Originally Posted by gun dog Id love to get a 300 blk rifle but I haven't seen enough ammo around here to justify it. Buy your ammo online. Posted By: Ray Settanta ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 07/19/14 08:55 PM Originally Posted by Spider-Pig Originally Posted by gun dog Id love to get a 300 blk rifle but I haven't seen enough ammo around here to justify it. Buy your ammo online. Exactly right! Posted By: greaser ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 07/19/14 09:08 PM Originally Posted by Spider-Pig Does anyone here know who sells the best lower parts kits? If I had to do my last 3 builds over again I would have bought the fire groupless kits and put an ALG trigger in them, and at that point any of the name brand kits should serve you well. My next build is going to be a 5.45x39 and be feed on a steady diet of wolf an tula ammo. You just cant beat the prices. Posted By: gun dog ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 07/19/14 09:38 PM I've tried to avoid paper trails. Posted By: Spider-Pig ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 07/19/14 09:46 PM If you're concerned with being placed on some type of list, chances are you're already on several. Posted By: Ray Settanta ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 07/19/14 09:50 PM Originally Posted by greaser Originally Posted by Spider-Pig Does anyone here know who sells the best lower parts kits? If I had to do my last 3 builds over again I would have bought the fire groupless kits and put an ALG trigger in them, and at that point any of the name brand kits should serve you well. My next build is going to be a 5.45x39 and be feed on a steady diet of wolf an tula ammo. You just cant beat the prices. I did much the same in my last three. I used ALG for two of them and a Spike's for the other. I used CMMG, DPMS and a Spike's LPK. All fit well. Posted By: Spider-Pig ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 07/19/14 10:08 PM I love my ALG. It was the only thing I bought at the annual NRA meetings in Houston last year. Posted By: greaser ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 07/19/14 10:19 PM I cant believe how much better they are over the milspecs which I thought were ok for a battle rifle until I tried the ALG. Posted By: gun dog ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 07/19/14 11:52 PM Yeah you have a good point. Exspecially if I use the word patriot.... Well hopefully I can find a spikes or better lower soon. Posted By: gun dog ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 07/19/14 11:52 PM I've heard lots of good stuff about ALG Posted By: SkunkHunter ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 07/20/14 06:17 AM IF you've ever bought a firearm of any kind, YOU'RE ON THE LIST. There are other ways as well. 1. If you are or were prior military....Guilty 2. Conservative....Guilty 3. Christian....Guilty 4. Police or prior Police....Guilty 5. Ever had a Security Clearance....Guilty I think you get the point. I'm on so many lists they all know me by my first name! Ask me if I care. (Patty calls me a Rabble Rouser). I call it being a CONCERNED CITIZEN! Posted By: Spider-Pig ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 07/20/14 06:20 AM Dang. 4 out of 5. Posted By: Ray Settanta ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 07/20/14 11:48 AM 4 out of 5 also. Posted By: SkunkHunter ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 07/20/14 12:01 PM Hey, at least I'm in good company! Posted By: RN ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 07/20/14 12:17 PM Who told you about my list? Posted By: SkunkHunter ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 07/20/14 12:38 PM Haha, we have "Assets" everywhere! Posted By: gun dog ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 07/20/14 03:40 PM Don't you like how that makes many of the federal employees on the list haha Posted By: gun dog ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 07/20/14 05:26 PM While cleaning glock XD and M&P I find the similarities strikingly striker fired... Posted By: greaser ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 07/20/14 08:55 PM I was on so many lists they just made me my own. LOL yes they are pretty similar GD besides ergos they are all about on par. Posted By: gun dog ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 07/21/14 02:37 AM Dang I just died inside. A sig 716 shipped for$1300... I hate being financially responsible.... Those sure look nice. Anybody used the sig piston ar-15 before?
Posted By: Endeavour Morse

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 07/21/14 04:10 PM

6. If you subscribe to or participate websites that allow political discussions...GUILTY

7. If you have a firearms carry license....GUILTY

8. If you're a member of a pro-guns rights organization (GOA, NRA, etc)...GUILTY

9. If you are a paid member or subscriber of a non-mainstream media outlet source....GUILTY

10. If you've ever signed an online petition...GUILTY

11. If you've ever called a political office and given your contact information....GUILTY

Posted By: Spider-Pig

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 07/21/14 04:15 PM

Yeah, that's what I was getting at. It's nearly impossible to not be on the list. I think I would be afraid of someone that ISN'T on the list.
Posted By: Spider-Pig

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 07/21/14 04:16 PM

I think I would look at them like Nosferatu.
Posted By: SkunkHunter

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 07/21/14 11:13 PM

Well you can put me down for four more lists, soon to be 5.
Posted By: Endeavour Morse

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 07/22/14 01:39 AM

Nosferatu.

Awesome.
Posted By: SkunkHunter

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 07/22/14 02:06 AM

Hey, Maybe that's what I should name my S6!
Posted By: SkunkHunter

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 07/22/14 02:10 AM

Just found this on Wikipedia.

Nosferatu

The film, shot in 1921 and released in 1922, was an unauthorized adaptation of Bram Stoker's Dracula, with names and other details changed because the studio could not obtain the rights to the novel (for instance, "VAMPIRE" BECAME "NOSFERATU" and "Count Dracula" became "Count Orlok"). Stoker's heirs sued over the adaptation, and a court ruling ordered that all copies of the film be destroyed. However, one print of Nosferatu survived, and the film came to be regarded as an influential masterpiece of cinema
Posted By: Spider-Pig

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 07/22/14 02:30 AM

Yep, they scare me.....like the people not on the list.
Posted By: SkunkHunter

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 07/22/14 02:31 AM

Would that then mean you are a listless person?
Posted By: SkunkHunter

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 07/22/14 02:34 AM

Listless isn't as bad a gunless. At least if you're listless you could still use your guns.

If you're gunless you're generally F&^(#%
Posted By: Spider-Pig

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 07/22/14 02:47 AM

No, I'm listed.
Posted By: gun dog

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 07/22/14 01:33 PM

I guess I'm listed.
Posted By: Endeavour Morse

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 07/22/14 01:48 PM

Randy,
The original film is very creepy. Its actually scary in a way that current zombie / gore / jump out at you garbage cinema is not. It is bothersome on a deep level. NOTE: I don't watch R rated (unless its history or combat related) movies or horror, but saw Nosferatu several times while at university.

Its a fitting name for your S6. That thing is a beast too....
Posted By: coyotebc

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 07/22/14 06:56 PM

Originally Posted by Spider-Pig
Yeah, that's what I was getting at. It's nearly impossible to not be on the list. I think I would be afraid of someone that ISN'T on the list.
how did I ever get mixed up with such a group
Posted By: gun dog

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 07/22/14 07:25 PM

Posted By: SkunkHunter

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 07/22/14 07:47 PM

Gary, I've seen it once. Yeah it is creepy in a weird way, and YES, not like todays flicks.
Posted By: lazi

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 07/23/14 12:24 AM

I'm #82 on the only list I give a flip about.

Posted By: gun dog

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 07/23/14 02:31 AM

Haha
Posted By: greaser

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 07/25/14 09:04 PM

They did a version of it set to Type O negatives music. I enjoy that version thoroughly.
Posted By: Andy the Aussie

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 07/25/14 11:02 PM

Just received a number of small parts from Numrich's (Gun Parts Co) for my Win 94 conversion.... but only 1/2 the bits I ordered arrived and they say they will come in multiple packages... that is OK except for the $45 they charged me in postage that has cost them all of$11 so far...
Posted By: greaser

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 07/25/14 11:08 PM

Ouch yep shipping is getting to be more than parts lately.
Posted By: greaser

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 07/25/14 11:08 PM

and that is just here in the states.
Posted By: Spider-Pig

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 07/25/14 11:45 PM

I just picked up my Spikes Honey Badger lower (I generally don't go for the tacticool themed gun parts, but I couldn't help myself with this particular one. And the price was right.) and I can tell you right now I like my BCM lower more. The BCM has a nice, smooth anodized finish and the Spikes has a very flat Cerakote (I think) finish. Feels like a chalk board, but maybe even flatter. If I would've had a chance to handle it first I don't think I would've bought it.

I have no doubt that it is a top quality lower, this is just a personal preference thing. I'll keep it, but from here on out it is BCM all the way for me.

I'm still not sure if I'm going to build a 6.8 SPC hunting rifle or a .300 BLK pistol with it. I will probably stick with the Honey Badger theme and go the pistol route. I'll SBR it at some point.
Posted By: Endeavour Morse

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 07/26/14 12:10 AM

Shipping is getting outrageous. USPS charged me $8.00 to ensure a small flat rate envelop for$465 yesterday. I shipped out one of my BATACs and about fell over when they charged that much for JUST insurance on a 2 Day package.
Posted By: Endeavour Morse

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 07/26/14 12:12 AM

I've had several BCM and their finishes range from almost glossy black (much more so than a current Colt) to outright FLAT black. My MidLength's lower is glossy while the upper looks flatter than a chalk board.
Posted By: Spider-Pig

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 07/26/14 12:13 AM

The only reason I use/support USPS is so that they can stay around so I can keep getting mail in my mail box. They don't make it easy to keep using them, though.
Posted By: greaser

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 07/26/14 12:18 AM

I like the more flat almost grippy textured finishes I guess its a personal preference thing.
Posted By: Endeavour Morse

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 07/28/14 06:07 PM

Originally Posted by Spider-Pig
The only reason I use/support USPS is so that they can stay around so I can keep getting mail in my mail box. They don't make it easy to keep using them, though.

Ditto. However, when you say '2-Day' don't take 6 and what's the deal with their insurance rates? They must have a serious theft problem.
Posted By: Endeavour Morse

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 07/28/14 06:09 PM

Originally Posted by greaser
I like the more flat almost grippy textured finishes I guess its a personal preference thing.

I'm not a "fit and finish" guy insomuch as it dictates the "quality" to mind. However, I do prefer for my stuff to start life looking as good as possible. As such, I don't care if the finish is matte or glossy as long as its uniform on same-material parts (like the upper and lower of an AR).
Posted By: Spider-Pig

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 07/28/14 06:12 PM

And you have to prove the value of the item that was damaged or lost. That can be difficult to do if the item has greatly appreciated in value since it was new. I've heard many stories of the USPS not paying claims because of this.
Posted By: Spider-Pig

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 07/28/14 06:14 PM

I wish FN would try harder to match the colors on their SCAR rifles.
Posted By: monsterdog

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 07/28/14 06:59 PM

Originally Posted by Spider-Pig
I wish FN would try harder to match the colors on their SCAR rifles.

Butbutbut.. that's kind of the charm of the FDE SCAR?
Posted By: gun dog

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 07/28/14 08:49 PM

Haha point taken^^^
Posted By: SkunkHunter

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 07/28/14 09:53 PM

Posted By: gun dog

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 07/28/14 11:43 PM

Cool!
Posted By: SkunkHunter

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 07/28/14 11:58 PM

I thought you bloodthirsty conservatives might like it.
Posted By: gun dog

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 07/30/14 01:22 AM

Hahaha what are you then?
Posted By: SkunkHunter

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 07/30/14 05:25 AM

Right along with the rest of you!
Posted By: SkunkHunter

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 07/30/14 05:27 AM

Originally Posted by SkunkHunter
Right along with the rest of you!

But if I admit to being a conservative, THEY will put me on a list. I don't like lists, unless it's for..... well the good of mankind.
Posted By: gun dog

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 07/31/14 01:17 AM

We are the special ones waiting and ready
Posted By: greaser

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 08/01/14 09:15 PM

Originally Posted by Spider-Pig
And you have to prove the value of the item that was damaged or lost. That can be difficult to do if the item has greatly appreciated in value since it was new. I've heard many stories of the USPS not paying claims because of this.

I had them not pay because the sender didnt pack the item well enough. even though with the damage to the box unless it was packed in adimantium it wouldnt have survived anyways. ??????????????
Posted By: RN

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 08/01/14 11:56 PM

You guys have an opinion of the Springfield Armoury Range Officer? Look like a good starter .45? Not going to do anything for awhile...but thinking about it.
Posted By: greaser

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 08/02/14 12:51 AM

My father has a springfield 1911 loaded stainless it seems pretty well put together for the price. I say go for it.
Posted By: Endeavour Morse

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 08/02/14 12:55 AM

Springfields are full of MIM parts if that matters to you? I'm a "wait a little longer for a better gun" person.

As such, I'd recommend looking at a Dan Wesson Valor or used Les Baer Custom Carry or TRS.

No MIM in the Valor line or any LB.
Posted By: Endeavour Morse

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 08/02/14 12:58 AM

I've had several Springfields and recently traded my TRP. The TRP was a nice gun but no where near the slightly more expensive / massively better built options.

Personally, if I wanted a inexpensive entry level gun I'd consider a Colt 1991. The Colt will retain value when you're ready to trade up because it says Colt on it.
Posted By: greaser

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 08/02/14 01:00 AM

This is where we differ Arch I would rather have something now and build it up over time for enjoyment than be without waiting to save up for a top of the line. But with that being said I have the mechanical ability and (most of the) tools to do the work needed to bring a subpar weapon up to snuff.
Posted By: greaser

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 08/02/14 01:01 AM

PS my way usually ends up costing more in the long run.
Posted By: greaser

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 08/02/14 01:41 AM

Have you seen these guys Arch I am hearing nothing but good stuff.

http://www.egwguns.com/index.php?p=home
Posted By: SkunkHunter

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 08/02/14 05:39 AM

What is this "Thick Flange Bushing" they speak of? I have a Colt 1991A1 I had built with night sights, beavertail safety, trigger job W/new trigger, SOME hand fitting Harrts recoil reduction rod. Guess I don't really need to get a smaller carry gun after all!
Posted By: gun dog

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 08/02/14 05:39 AM

I have been doing the same research. And I stopped and have spent a few hours talking to a gun smith at a local range. He said that for a starter build pistol the SA RO is his go to for himself and his customers. If you don't do that than he said Dan Wesson. Then if you have the funds for any more.... Well we can dream

I just found a sale for a war sports industries lower complete for $699... It an ambi forged lower with some upgrades it also comes with a carry case fora broken down ar rifle and some other stuff. Not sure if it's a good or bad buy. Comes with plenty of upgrades. But I'm torn between that or buying tools and starting to build from scratch. Posted By: SkunkHunter ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 08/02/14 05:40 AM Sides, IF I want to go smaller I've got my Star .40S&W and my Sig P225 9mm. Posted By: Endeavour Morse ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 08/02/14 06:24 AM Originally Posted by greaser This is where we differ Arch I would rather have something now and build it up over time for enjoyment than be without waiting to save up for a top of the line. But with that being said I have the mechanical ability and (most of the) tools to do the work needed to bring a subpar weapon up to snuff. Working on a 1911 is a skill that is built over years. At Wilson they have their techs spend 12-24 months learning each job (tuning a trigger, etc). Having worked on DOZENS of gun designs over the past 30 years has taught me a few things: a) Buy right and cry once. Buy wrong and cry thrice (when you buy wrong, when you lose money selling it, and again when you buy right). b) Life is too short for subpar gear. c) I'm more committed than 99% of people. After all, I've read many many times the average "shooter" actually shoots less than 200 RDS of center fire year (I shoot that many per week per weapon design - which is a huge step down for me brought on by ammo prices). d) A lot of people think they can build up a "just as good as a top brand" with a tier two base gun. This simply is not true. A typical Les Baer starts life with 24-48 hours of hand fitting and assembly by master builders. A Wilson is hand built and fired between each step - by master craftsman that have been doing that ONE function for years. A Colt Defense AR complies with 40 years of US Military testing, experimentation, and research by complying with the MILLIONS OF DOLLARS OF RESEACH/TESTING AND BILLIONS OF ROUNDS EXPENDED inspired TDP which only a few have ever even had the priviledge of reading. I'm not trying to be a male reproductive organ, but I 100% disagree and have WELL over 100,000 rounds down range and hundreds of guns owned over 30 years as a basis of my opinion. Posted By: SkunkHunter ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 08/02/14 06:37 AM My Colt is NO WHERE on par with a Wilson or Les Bauer. BUT the guy that worked on it has probably 50 years as a gun smith and has actually built his own guns from scratch (Rifles). I've probably only 500 rounds though it and (THANKFULLY) never missed a lick. Posted By: Endeavour Morse ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 08/02/14 06:39 AM My 100,000 center fire statement is intentionally EXCEPTIONALLY LOW. Eight years ago my safe had 23 factory built ARs from seven manufacturers in it. I would shoot 350-500 rounds per trip to the range. I went to the range at least once a week and often as many as three timss a week. Do the math. I built my first AR in 1984 and have owned DOZENS AND DOZENS over the past 3 decades. I've been fixing my own and friend's during that entire 30 years. I will only own BCM and Colt factory builds now. Ask me why? I've grown tired of wasting time on subpar parts, assembly, knowledge and QC. It's just easier to spend 10-15% more and get the right one from the start. Twelve years ago I had five Class 3 full autos in my safe. I would spend evenings sitting at my reloading bench so I could take 1500rds a weekend to the range. This lasted for about 12 months. Do that math. I sold all of my class 3 items a long time ago. My AR collection is down to a couple of BCM and Colts that I'm trying to sell off. Why? The same reason I sold my AK collection (2x Arsenal SGL21, 7x Arsenal SLR-106 and 3x Arsenal SLR-107) last year / this year.... I found a better mousetrap with a 45,000rd barrel life which actually matters to a guy that will wear out a barrel of that making in 7 years. Posted By: Endeavour Morse ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 08/02/14 06:40 AM Randy, I've shot 500 RDS thru my Baer in the last two weeks. I've never even cleaned the gun. Posted By: SkunkHunter ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 08/02/14 06:41 AM Yeah yeah yeah. Posted By: SkunkHunter ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 08/02/14 06:42 AM Hehe ACTUALLY I wish I could shoot like that. Unfortunately..... But I can hit at the ranges I need to. Posted By: SkunkHunter ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 08/02/14 06:42 AM Question, why did you go for the SS. Rust Prevention? Make that Resistance. Posted By: SkunkHunter ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 08/02/14 06:43 AM Do you have a range set up on your place? Posted By: SkunkHunter ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 08/02/14 06:50 AM Originally Posted by Architect My 100,000 center fire statement is intentionally EXCEPTIONALLY LOW. Eight years ago my safe had 23 factory built ARs from seven manufacturers in it. I would shoot 350-500 rounds per trip to the range. I went to the range at least once a week and often as many as three timss a week. Do the math. I built my first AR in 1984 and have owned DOZENS AND DOZENS over the past 3 decades. I've been fixing my own and friend's during that entire 30 years. I will only own BCM and Colt factory builds now. Ask me why? I've grown tired of wasting time on subpar parts, assembly, knowledge and QC. It's just easier to spend 10-15% more and get the right one from the start. Twelve years ago I had five Class 3 full autos in my safe. I would spend evenings sitting at my reloading bench so I could take 1500rds a weekend to the range. This lasted for about 12 months. Do that math. I sold all of my class 3 items a long time ago. My AR collection is down to a couple of BCM and Colts that I'm trying to sell off. Why? The same reason I sold my AK collection (2x Arsenal SGL21, 7x Arsenal SLR-106 and 3x Arsenal SLR-107) last year / this year.... I found a better mousetrap with a 45,000rd barrel life which actually matters to a guy that will wear out a barrel of that making in 7 years. The last paragraph, you're talking about your Scar, right, AND or your Les Baer? Posted By: Endeavour Morse ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 08/02/14 06:52 AM My philosophy has changed many times over the years, but it's been settled in one direction for the last four or five: Shrink my collection to less "manual of arms" and only have a two copies on a single top-of-the-line gun. The days of 5 copies of a single design are over. My collection is settling out to be: (2) Ruger Mk3 (2) Ruger 10/22 Stainless Carbine with Leupold Scopes (2) Ruger 10/22 Stainless Takedown with Tech Sights (2) Ruger LCP (2) Glock 19 (2) Glock 26 (2) S&W Shield 9 (2) 1911 (Les Baer Stainless Custom Carry and Ed Brown Executive Elite) (2) HK 45Acp (2) FN Scar-16 with ACOG (2) FN Scar-17 with ACOG (2) Springfield Armory SAR-48 (2) Benelli M1 Super 90 Why two? One in use and one in reserve. The reserve is tested and placed in tr safe but available for duty should the primary go down. The primary gets replaced or repaired as necessary. If the primary wears out - a new replacement is bought / tested and becomes the reserve. Gear rotation. I'm getting close to being down to this collection. I have (3) Rem 870, a couple of ARs, (2) Marlin 22WMR, (1) LCP, (1) Ruger Mk3, several 10/22, and (1) Scar to sell and I'll have my perfect collection. Posted By: Endeavour Morse ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 08/02/14 06:53 AM Originally Posted by SkunkHunter Question, why did you go for the SS. Rust Prevention? Make that Resistance. Improved corrosion resistance and ease of maintenance. Posted By: Endeavour Morse ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 08/02/14 06:54 AM Originally Posted by SkunkHunter Do you have a range set up on your place? I can shoot here (use to do so) but I joined a range that is 3 minutes from my house and NEVER used by anyone else. Posted By: Endeavour Morse ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 08/02/14 06:57 AM Originally Posted by SkunkHunter Originally Posted by Architect I found a better mousetrap with a 45,000rd barrel life which actually matters to a guy that will wear out a barrel of that making in 7 years. The last paragraph, you're talking about your Scar, right, AND or your Les Baer? Yes and no. Yes to the Scar and no to the Baer. For high round count HG I prefer Glock 9mm and HK 45Acps. However, nothing shoots as well as a 1911 for me - so it has to be a top builder. Posted By: SkunkHunter ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 08/02/14 06:58 AM It would really be nice to have a range that close. I would probably do more shooting if I had something that close. Used to (When I was a Kid,and YES we did have "Modern" firearms back then) we could shoot right behind the house my Folks sold last year. NOT ANY MORE. Posted By: SkunkHunter ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 08/02/14 07:01 AM I would rather shoot a 1911 style than any other handgun. BUT the older I get the more I appreciate the simpler manual of arms of the glock/sig, et al guns. Posted By: SkunkHunter ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 08/02/14 07:02 AM I COULD carry a Walther ppk .380 or S&W model 60-10 (5 shot SS 357mag with 3 inch barrel or a few others. Posted By: SkunkHunter ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 08/02/14 07:03 AM Oh and I should say that 45K rounds through a 45acp barrel sounded like A LOT to me. But what do I know. Posted By: SkunkHunter ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 08/02/14 07:04 AM Originally Posted by Architect My philosophy has changed many times over the years, but it's been settled in one direction for the last four or five: Shrink my collection to less "manual of arms" and only have a two copies on a single top-of-the-line gun. The days of 5 copies of a single design are over. My collection is settling out to be: (2) Ruger Mk3 (2) Ruger 10/22 Stainless Carbine with Leupold Scopes (2) Ruger 10/22 Stainless Takedown with Tech Sights (2) Ruger LCP (2) Glock 19 (2) Glock 26 (2) S&W Shield 9 (2) 1911 (Les Baer Stainless Custom Carry and Ed Brown Executive Elite) (2) HK 45Acp (2) FN Scar-16 with ACOG (2) FN Scar-17 with ACOG (2) Springfield Armory SAR-48 (2) Benelli M1 Super 90 Why two? One in use and one in reserve. The reserve is tested and placed in tr safe but available for duty should the primary go down. The primary gets replaced or repaired as necessary. If the primary wears out - a new replacement is bought / tested and becomes the reserve. Gear rotation. I'm getting close to being down to this collection. I have (3) Rem 870, a couple of ARs, (2) Marlin 22WMR, (1) LCP, (1) Ruger Mk3, several 10/22, and (1) Scar to sell and I'll have my perfect collection. REAL nice battery Gary. Posted By: Endeavour Morse ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 08/02/14 07:04 AM Here is what I use my choices for: Ruger Mk3 - cheap plinking, warm up, smallest small-game pack gun Ruger LCP - lightest clothes / deepest concealment CCW Glock 19 - general purpose / EOTW Glock 26 - EDC S&W Shield 9 - preferred option for deep concealment (over LCP) when allowed by attire. HK 45Acp - house gun / EOTW 1911 - preferred carry gun (I can pretty much guareentee where each round is going to land which lowers my chance of landing in a courtroom) 10/22 Carbine with Leupold - small game, plinking, farm varmint control 10/22 Takedown with Tech Sights - pack rifle / EOTW game getter FN Scar 16 with ACOG - wife's all purpose FN Scar 17 with ACOG - my all purpose Springfield SAR-48 FAL - my Mad Max scenario gun Benelli M1 - home and farm defense, hunting Posted By: SkunkHunter ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 08/02/14 07:06 AM I've always wanted an SAR-48. But alas, marriage happened. Oh and I might say, it was a FANTASTIC tradeoff. Posted By: SkunkHunter ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 08/02/14 07:07 AM Oh hey Gary, any suggestions on what I should do to my Glock 19 (besides a set of sights)? I still think I am going to go for a set of (What used to be called) Ashley Express sight. Posted By: Endeavour Morse ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 08/02/14 07:11 AM If I was going to add anything to my list it would be: (2) Colt 6529 [AR-15A2 Government Carbines with 16" Lightweight Barrels and Fixed A2 Carry Handles]. I'm struggling with my decision to sell these two, because IM(not so)HO they are EVERYTHING an AR should be: SUPER LIGHT (5.8 pounds) SUPER ACCURATE (best sights ever placed on a military rifle ... I do slightly prefer the A1 for durability) SUPER COMPACT (no rails, etc to clutter up a KISS carbine) SUPER ACCURATE These simply make uber handy KISS carbines. I ran 250rds thru one of my two 6520 (not 6920), and 200 each thru my two Scar 16 last weekend. The little Colt was just a joy compared to the 10 pound (once scope / accessories are mounted) FN. Posted By: Endeavour Morse ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 08/02/14 07:15 AM When I say "ran" this is literal. For me shooting is a zero check on the bench and then I'm up running drills. This includes lugging the gun up and down hills every few mags (200 yards round trip). This breaks the "hang every piece of cool-guy crap mentality quickly when it's 98F with 95% humidity. Posted By: SkunkHunter ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 08/02/14 07:19 AM Some of the "Cool Stuff" is Cool. But for a It's gotta work all the time every time, simpler is usually better. Posted By: Endeavour Morse ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 08/02/14 07:22 AM Less is more when you actually start vetting accessories. All that is needed on a fighting carbine: A1) The most durable fixed sights available (like the LMT SOPMOD fixed rear) Or A2) The most durable / kiss low power (or variable) optic (like an ACOG or Nightforce 1-4) combined with the most durable fold down front and rear BUIS (like Troy Battlesights). NOTE: front food down is manditory with low power optics - you will see a fixed front sight thru your scope and this is a big detriment to getting fast) B) The best white light you can buy (like Surefire Scout) C) The best two point sling you can buy (like Vickers) That's it. My wife likes a VFG because it helps offset her limited upper body strength. I like them as a hand stop (indexes weak hand in same place without thinking about it) and as a control / retention assist. They are not, however, mandatory. Posted By: SkunkHunter ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 08/02/14 07:26 AM My A3 Colt AR15 has exactly ONE "Add on". The Beeman SS4 30mm scope. Yes it IS an air rifle scope, but it's rated for full automatic rifle fire! Posted By: Endeavour Morse ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 08/02/14 07:33 AM Originally Posted by SkunkHunter Oh and I should say that 45K rounds through a 45acp barrel sounded like A LOT to me. But what do I know. The HK45 and USP45 series have an expected service life of 45-65,000 rounds. Their manual specifically states you ARE PERMITTED to use +P and +P+ ammo. I've never seen another manufacturer state this. Posted By: SkunkHunter ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 08/02/14 07:34 AM HOLY SMOKE! Posted By: Endeavour Morse ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 08/02/14 07:35 AM Originally Posted by SkunkHunter Oh hey Gary, any suggestions on what I should do to my Glock 19 (besides a set of sights)? Yes, shoot it. Posted By: Endeavour Morse ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 08/02/14 07:36 AM Night sights are the only modification needed on a Glock 9mm. This excludes Gen4 which requires selling it and buying a Gen3. Posted By: Endeavour Morse ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 08/02/14 07:38 AM Originally Posted by SkunkHunter HOLY SMOKE! Buy right and cry once. Posted By: Endeavour Morse ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 08/02/14 07:43 AM My phone is down to 9% power so I'm signing off. My opinions are a lot like my world view and personality: unforgivingly direct and blunt but paid for with a lifetime of actual experience. This experience borders on excess as I'm one of those over-achiever types who simply does not settle for second best. Posted By: Endeavour Morse ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 08/02/14 07:44 AM (This is why I've now owned around 150 Busse and Kin since I started testing them in 2009). Posted By: SkunkHunter ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 08/02/14 07:50 AM Many folks mistake honest, and bluntness for rudeness. I DO NOT! I like frankness, even if I do not like the answer. It ensures you know the answer/where you stand. Haha, I have added a steel mag release to it and three steel mags. This IS NOT a drop free (Mag) gun. Oh well, I still like it. Yeah I have shot it but I do need to shoot it more. But first I need to put some sights on it considering how I ripped off the rear plastic sight! The next ones will be steel, big dot front and V rear. Posted By: SkunkHunter ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 08/02/14 07:52 AM Nite Gary, thanks for the Banter and advice/wisdom. It's been a pleasure/informative as always. Posted By: RN ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 08/02/14 11:17 AM Originally Posted by Architect Springfields are full of MIM parts if that matters to you? I'm a "wait a little longer for a better gun" person. As such, I'd recommend looking at a Dan Wesson Valor or used Les Baer Custom Carry or TRS. No MIM in the Valor line or any LB. It's funny you mention the Valor because I spent a couple days reading up on them! Also spent some time looking at videos and reading on Wilson Combat...oh mama...some fine looking firearms. Ended up dreaming about owning one the other night! Lol! Posted By: SkunkHunter ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 08/02/14 11:23 AM Rich, if you think those prices are bad, you should look at some of the other "Premium" makers fares! Posted By: RN ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 08/02/14 11:28 AM More than the Wilsons? Yikes! I thought for a bit "If I saved$100 a month I could get one...in two years."

Lol
Posted By: SkunkHunter

Ed Brown, $7500.00 OK, I was wrong. Wilson combat 8K. When you buy your two I'll rent one from you. Posted By: RN ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 08/02/14 11:49 AM lol! They have a nice Ed Brown at my local Cabelas..that is a sweet looking firearm. Off to the range myself now. Not quite shooting like Gary...50 rds of 9mm and 160 of .22! Ouch! Better than nothing though. Posted By: SkunkHunter ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 08/02/14 12:00 PM Hey, at least you can still shoot! Posted By: SkunkHunter ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 08/02/14 12:00 PM Best of luck. Take care and stay aware. They're not all locked up! Posted By: Endeavour Morse ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 08/02/14 01:13 PM Rich and Randy, I sent postal money orders (plural since they are only available up to$1000 each) off yesterday afternoon for my latest 1911 addition:

Ed Brown Executive Elite with:
(Added cost) Gen3 coating over stainless

I've had three Les Baer (currently own one) and have always wanted to try a Ed Brown. So when I traded my SA TRP last week I needed another 1911 to fulfill my "two of each" principle.

I stepped up to the plate big time on this one. Reports to follow after it arrives.

The Brown will be my carry gun while the Stainless LB will be the reserve. I'm choosing the EB EE for carry because:

1) coated stainless (no shiny reflections to get me killed)
2) no tool take down. LB require tools because they are extremely tight.

Rich,
Save and buy right. You will never regret getting the best gun. You will always second guess anything less.
Posted By: Endeavour Morse

Les Baer is the best value in a semi-custom. The DW Valor is a great gun but for an extra $350 you can have a Baer with much greater resell potential and EXCEPTIONAL accuracy. Posted By: gun dog ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 08/02/14 02:20 PM I do agree with a lot of what arch has to say... The very things he mentions is what braught me to the kin. Posted By: RN ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 08/02/14 02:21 PM It's nice to just get out, take a break from daddy duties, relax and shoot. Shooting (and archery) are very zen/relaxing for me...except when I suck at shooting! Hah! Gary, I figure you are right. I could be more patient and get a real beauty...with CZ distributing the Dan Wessons...plays into my CZ loyalties! Read an accuracy review by a big 1911 guy...Dan Severn??? He documented some insane accuracy with Valors he modded. The new Springfield Armory RO Commander looks sweet to me too. When should you get the Ed Brown and what time should I come over to shoot it?! Posted By: SkunkHunter ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 08/02/14 03:32 PM Gary, ya messed up son. You could have gotten the CC2-BB-SIG for a "Few Dollars More" Posted By: SkunkHunter ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 08/02/14 03:33 PM That's gonna be a nice gun. AND I know you're gonna enjoy it. Posted By: Endeavour Morse ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 08/02/14 05:42 PM I figure payment and FFL will land on Monday or Tuesday. It's being shipped the same day so I should have it Thursday. I ran over to the range to sight in my 10/22 Takedown. Here's the 50 yard results with fifteen year old Thunderbolts. FIVE SHOT GROUP @ 50 YARDS WITH IRON SIGHTS This was my first trip out with this rifle. I think with quality ammo and me trying harder - it'll definitely do it's specified function (back pack game meat slayer). Posted By: Endeavour Morse ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 08/02/14 05:54 PM The target is an 11x17 sheet of paper taped to some paper plates someone left at the range. Posted By: Endeavour Morse ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 08/02/14 06:01 PM Posted By: Endeavour Morse ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 08/02/14 06:04 PM I tried to get a couple of shots if the sight picture while at the range. I highly recommend Tech Sights TRS-200 (not TRS-100). Posted By: SkunkHunter ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 08/02/14 06:06 PM Dang, that's pretty good shootin there Gary. Posted By: SkunkHunter ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 08/02/14 06:07 PM I could beat that though. You DID say it was 5 yards, right. Posted By: Endeavour Morse ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 08/02/14 06:32 PM No Randy - 5 FEET (I like you so I'm going to give you a fighting chance). I sighted it in at 50 yards because that's about the maximum distance I can see a little bunny head for which to perforate. Posted By: Endeavour Morse ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 08/02/14 06:34 PM I wasn't bragging about the 5 shot / 50 yard group. It was an educational tool for everyone. A standard takedown 10/22 with iron sights and 15 year old budget ammo is capable of respectable performance. Posted By: SkunkHunter ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 08/02/14 06:36 PM I know you weren't bragging Gary. I just had to pull your chain. And that's STILL good shooting! Posted By: Endeavour Morse ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 08/02/14 06:40 PM I have plenty of chain to pull (now that's bragging ... ) Posted By: Endeavour Morse ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 08/02/14 06:41 PM ( ... and stretching "the truth" ... ) Posted By: SkunkHunter ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 08/02/14 06:48 PM Oh If this wasn't a family friendly forum, the fun I could have with that post! Posted By: RN ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 08/02/14 06:56 PM Originally Posted by Architect I figure payment and FFL will land on Monday or Tuesday. It's being shipped the same day so I should have it Thursday. I ran over to the range to sight in my 10/22 Takedown. Here's the 50 yard results with fifteen year old Thunderbolts. FIVE SHOT GROUP @ 50 YARDS WITH IRON SIGHTS This was my first trip out with this rifle. I think with quality ammo and me trying harder - it'll definitely do it's specified function (back pack game meat slayer). Nice! On both the group and new Ed Brown. Posted By: Endeavour Morse ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 08/02/14 07:26 PM That was just for you, Randy. Rich, thanks. I'm excited to see how it'll perform with good ammo. Posted By: SkunkHunter ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 08/02/14 07:30 PM Heck, why bother with groups like that! Haha, I understand though, I'd try for it myself. Posted By: Spider-Pig ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 08/02/14 07:31 PM I echo exactly what Rich just posted. Rich, have you handled a CZ97? I remember you mentioned something about them a while back. I like both 1911's and CZ97's, but I don't see myself getting either. It would really just be something that I would leisurely shoot at the range. I suppose I could use it as a house gun, but my Glock 21 already fills that role. No doubt they both shoot better than the Glock, but I just love my 21. I find myself in the market for a carry piece. It has to be a single stack, semi auto, .45 ACP, small enough to easily conceal, and have no manual safties. I have it narrowed to the Glock 36 and Kahr CW45. The Kahr is smaller, lighter, and cheaper than the Glock. I'm really tempted by the Kahr, but brand loyalty and proven reliability pull me toward the Glock. Anyone have anything to offer here? Posted By: SkunkHunter ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 08/02/14 07:32 PM Adam, have you given the Sigs a look see? I'm itching to handle a Sig P250. I have a P220 I could trade in. Posted By: Spider-Pig ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 08/02/14 07:35 PM No, I haven't. Let me do that now.... Posted By: Spider-Pig ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 08/02/14 07:43 PM Just checked and they're competitively priced. How are the triggers? Posted By: SkunkHunter ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 08/02/14 07:45 PM OK, maybe that should be the P220R. Posted By: SkunkHunter ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 08/02/14 07:46 PM The triggers on mine are pretty smooth, but kinda long and heavy in the DA mode. In single action mode I don't find them to be a hindrance at all. But of course, FEEL before you PEEL your money from your hands! Posted By: SkunkHunter ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 08/02/14 07:47 PM Now I just gotta find a P220R. Posted By: SkunkHunter ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 08/02/14 07:47 PM I'm not sure I would like the polymer framed P250. I had forgotten about that little fact. Posted By: Spider-Pig ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 08/02/14 08:02 PM The 220 is way out of my price range. Posted By: SkunkHunter ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 08/02/14 08:09 PM Adam, check out the used ones. My first one was a used cops gun and I had NO problems with it. If the Polymer frame of the P250 doesn't bother you they are just shy of 5 bills from Sig, so..... Posted By: SkunkHunter ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 08/02/14 08:09 PM When I bought mine (NEW) back in about 96 maybe I paid around 5 something for it. Posted By: SkunkHunter ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 08/02/14 08:11 PM Actually for me, the P220 is to big, grip to trigger and I have to cant it in my hand somewhat. Posted By: Spider-Pig ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 08/02/14 08:11 PM Polymer frames don't bother me one bit. Posted By: SkunkHunter ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 08/02/14 08:12 PM Well, it's after 1500 so time that means "It's bed time for Bonzo"! Later Dogs. Peace and rest to you and all those you care for. Posted By: Spider-Pig ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 08/02/14 08:13 PM Good night, Randy. Posted By: SkunkHunter ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 08/02/14 08:13 PM Here ya go Adam, from Sig. http://www.sigsauer.com/CatalogProductDetails/p250-compact.aspx Posted By: Spider-Pig ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 08/02/14 08:15 PM Thanks Randy, I was just looking at it. I prefer the sub compact for carry. Posted By: gun dog ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 08/02/14 08:54 PM Where did you find the TD with ghost rings? Also.... What do you think this package from war sport industries is worth? Trying to decide if I should pull the trigger or wait and build a lower or buy a bcm lower from ranier... LVOA Carbine Carry Bag: LVOA Bag Weight: 18.5 Oz LVOA Bag Dim: 26” x 13” Fabric: 1000D Made in USA LVOA Complete Forged Lower: Semi-Auto Cal: Multi B5 Enhanced SOPMOD Stick (LVOA Mixup) BCM Gun Fighter Grip (LVOA Mixup) CMC Single-Stage Flat Trigger B.A.D. Take Down / Pivot pins B.A.D. Ambi Selector NORGON Ambi Mag Release MOE Trigger Guard War Sport Bolt Saver: Color: ORG War Sport Rail Bungee: Color: FOL, Lov-Vis, Moly Resin Posted By: RN ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 08/02/14 08:58 PM Originally Posted by Spider-Pig I echo exactly what Rich just posted. Rich, have you handled a CZ97? I remember you mentioned something about them a while back. I like both 1911's and CZ97's, but I don't see myself getting either. It would really just be something that I would leisurely shoot at the range. I suppose I could use it as a house gun, but my Glock 21 already fills that role. No doubt they both shoot better than the Glock, but I just love my 21. I find myself in the market for a carry piece. It has to be a single stack, semi auto, .45 ACP, small enough to easily conceal, and have no manual safties. I have it narrowed to the Glock 36 and Kahr CW45. The Kahr is smaller, lighter, and cheaper than the Glock. I'm really tempted by the Kahr, but brand loyalty and proven reliability pull me toward the Glock. Anyone have anything to offer here? No, haven't seen the 97- had some time w/out the kids this week and didn't make it to a lgs to see if they had one...they have a bunch on CZ and Dan Wessons usually. I tend to keep bouncing around with what I want. Last week I was thinking how I like CZs and I bet I would like the 97 and would be uber reliable. Then I see some videos on 1911s and start lusting after them! Lol! I have many wants...my needs are probably "Practice more with my CZ 9mm and get some decent training!" After I posted about how few rounds I put through my 9 every week I thought "$1000 would buy a lot of practice time at the range!"
Posted By: Endeavour Morse

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 08/02/14 10:06 PM

Posted By: gun dog

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 08/02/14 10:55 PM

Also....

What do you think this package from war sport industries is worth? Trying to decide if I should pull the trigger or wait and build a lower or buy a bcm lower from ranier...

LVOA Carbine Carry Bag:
LVOA Bag Weight: 18.5 Oz
LVOA Bag Dim: 26” x 13”
Fabric: 1000D

LVOA Complete Forged Lower:
Semi-Auto
Cal: Multi
B5 Enhanced SOPMOD Stick (LVOA Mixup)
BCM Gun Fighter Grip (LVOA Mixup)
CMC Single-Stage Flat Trigger
B.A.D. Take Down / Pivot pins
B.A.D. Ambi Selector
NORGON Ambi Mag Release
MOE Trigger Guard

War Sport Bolt Saver:
Color: ORG

War Sport Rail Bungee:
Color: FOL, Lov-Vis, Moly Resin
[/quote]
Posted By: Endeavour Morse

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 08/02/14 11:02 PM

I have no experience with that brand.
Posted By: greaser

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 08/02/14 11:15 PM

Originally Posted by Architect

Working on a 1911 is a skill that is built over years. At Wilson they have their techs spend 12-24 months learning each job (tuning a trigger, etc).

Having worked on DOZENS of gun designs over the past 30 years has taught me a few things:

a) Buy right and cry once. Buy wrong and cry thrice (when you buy wrong, when you lose money selling it, and again when you buy right).

b) Life is too short for subpar gear.

c) I'm more committed than 99% of people. After all, I've read many many times the average "shooter" actually shoots less than 200 RDS of center fire year (I shoot that many per week per weapon design - which is a huge step down for me brought on by ammo prices).

d) A lot of people think they can build up a "just as good as a top brand" with a tier two base gun. This simply is not true. A typical Les Baer starts life with 24-48 hours of hand fitting and assembly by master builders. A Wilson is hand built and fired between each step - by master craftsman that have been doing that ONE function for years. A Colt Defense AR complies with 40 years of US Military testing, experimentation, and research by complying with the MILLIONS OF DOLLARS OF RESEACH/TESTING AND BILLIONS OF ROUNDS EXPENDED inspired TDP which only a few have ever even had the priviledge of reading.

I'm not trying to be a male reproductive organ, but I 100% disagree and have WELL over 100,000 rounds down range and hundreds of guns owned over 30 years as a basis of my opinion.

No I don't think you are being a Deek Arch I understand your point of view totally. But my situation would put me at one gun and a few knifes if I played by those rules. I would at this pint with the circumstances being what they are I would rather have enough decent weapons to get me through than only one great weapon. Trust me if I was making enough to get out of my house in town and buy top of the line weapons I would. I just cant I don't get to keep enough of my money hell almost half of it is gone before it even gets to me. If everything goes hunky dory (very unlikely) then I will have to suck up the loss of cash but when the SHTF I will be glad to have what I have.

PS how the he11 are you loading that much I cant even find powder to restock and it makes me not want to use what I have.

We are all good Arch I just haven't had the 30 years to stock up yet the government supplied my weapons and ammo for the 15 years before I started buying my own.
Posted By: Endeavour Morse

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 08/03/14 12:04 AM

No worries Greaser.

I stopped reloading years ago when ammo prices dropped. I was buying brass case 9mm for $110 a case (1000) delivered, and 5.56x45 surplus for$129 a case (820). It actually cost more to reload so I sold my set up and bought ammo.

That ammo was shot years ago and now I can't even find 9mm locally.

If I could go back 10 years ago I'd buy every 550rd box of Federal Bulk Pack 22LR that Walmart's within a 1 hour drive received every week, because I was paying $8.96 per 550rds (plus tax). That same box is now$39.99 at our local Walmart and I rarely see them on the shelves.

I've been selling off my excess collection to buy ammo for training. The anti-gunners beat us by using the same method I've long suggested we use against them: starvation. They're starving us thru artificially inflated ammo prices resulting from their multi BILLION round orders. (I've often said a pandemic tax revolt would be the only real way to have reform: it would starve the government resulting in angry mobs when entitlements were no delivered and ultimately would force the FR to print more fiat currency. The ultimate result would be hyper inflation followed by economic collapse followed by a return to the truly private gold standard).

I feel your pain, brother. Nothing makes me sicker than selling a Colt AR for less than I paid just to turn around and buy ammo that is 250% higher than it was three years ago.

I even bought a BB gun as an attempt to stay proficient without bankrupting us!
Posted By: lazi

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 08/03/14 12:37 AM

Originally Posted by greaser
Originally Posted by lazi

I had been thinking if getting a .357 H&R Handi Rifle some day. I just recalled that the H&R and NEF shotguns are built on the same receivers (SB1) as the pistol caliber rifles. I went back to the shop and got a case hardened NEF 3" 12 gauge for $80 otd. I'll probably send it in at some point for a .357 barrel. I was told it would run about$140. It seems a lot of guys are teeming them out to .357 maximum and getting good results. The shotgun barrel might come in handy if I ever get around to doing some turkey hunting.

Let me know how this goes sounds like a great way to have a backpackable multi caliber gun.

Well, last week I ran across a new .357 handi and decided to just buy it and be done with it. Guy said they had layaway and since I'm not in any rush to use it I decided it can sit at the shop until a couple months before deer season starts. I usually can't seem to find one come that time so it works for me. Our hunting rules will actually be changing soon to where we can use whatever rifle you want on private land during primitive weapon seasons. I just always wanted a .357 handi rifle and this one will be for plinking and handing to any new shooters or hunters who may want to hunt with me. I bought an old 30-30 for that role but decided I didn't like the idea of inexperienced folks having to pull the trigger to drop the hammer after they chambered a round. Maybe as they (meaning "I") get more comfortable I will move them to the 30-30 but I think a single shot .357 will do just fine for anybody where we will hunt. Reamed out to .357 maximum should also make it an interesting rifle to have in the hunting lineup.

I don't know what I will do with my 45-70 handi rifle. I guess I will lock it up and let it collect dust until I figure it all out. The next hunting rifle I want to get is a .308 or .300wm bolt rifle and I think either of those may sort of diminish any reasons I could have for keeping the 45-70 handi. Maybe not as big a pill but still plenty of reach and plenty enough medicine for these parts. The only plus to the 45-70 is that other than the $30 one piece rings I most likely wouldn't spend another dime on that rifle including buying any more ammo. I have 4 boxes of lever revolution ammo and it shoots that great. It's not that much of plinker (to me) and it's all about the meat. The rifle probably wont see 50 rounds in my lifetime if it remains in my possession. While I'm sure it will be worth it if decided to use it the whole "primitive weapons season" was the main reason for owning it. And the .357 handi would now have me covered if I should ever end up on public hunting grounds. A barrel swap to .308 or 7.62x39 may be the way to go with this one... This post got long... Was just thinking out loud... Posted By: gun dog ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 08/03/14 12:38 AM Yeah I used to shoot a 550 count every week. Haven't shot that in a year Being A poor college student with an annual income of$24000 before taxes, before bills. Guns and gear is a very painful investment. I can only buy the best I can afford but can even afford the ammo to practice with the guns I can afford.
And I won't buy the cheapest guns. I shoot for mid range quality.
Posted By: lazi

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 08/03/14 12:49 AM

I''ve been trying to convince myself to sell my M1A and SLR-107 to fund a SCAR17. I think it's the "buy thrice" part that's bugging me. But looking at what I will spend to make the M1A and SLR107 what I want them to be I'd still come up short and likely have spent what it would cost me to just get everything sorted out.

Posted By: greaser

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 08/03/14 01:09 AM

Originally Posted by Architect
No worries Greaser.

I stopped reloading years ago when ammo prices dropped. I was buying brass case 9mm for $110 a case (1000) delivered, and 5.56x45 surplus for$129 a case (820). It actually cost more to reload so I sold my set up and bought ammo.

That ammo was shot years ago and now I can't even find 9mm locally.

If I could go back 10 years ago I'd buy every 550rd box of Federal Bulk Pack 22LR that Walmart's within a 1 hour drive received every week, because I was paying $8.96 per 550rds (plus tax). That same box is now$39.99 at our local Walmart and I rarely see them on the shelves.

I've been selling off my excess collection to buy ammo for training. The anti-gunners beat us by using the same method I've long suggested we use against them: starvation. They're starving us thru artificially inflated ammo prices resulting from their multi BILLION round orders. (I've often said a pandemic tax revolt would be the only real way to have reform: it would starve the government resulting in angry mobs when entitlements were no delivered and ultimately would force the FR to print more fiat currency. The ultimate result would be hyper inflation followed by economic collapse followed by a return to the truly private gold standard).

I feel your pain, brother. Nothing makes me sicker than selling a Colt AR for less than I paid just to turn around and buy ammo that is 250% higher than it was three years ago.

I even bought a BB gun as an attempt to stay proficient without bankrupting us!

I have been stacking as much silver as I can which has been almost none lately so when the dollar crashes out I have something besides my necessities with real value. I have a grim view of our future I hope it doesn't come to it but I fear it will.

I hear you on the .22LR I even sold mine and bought a 17 HMR because ammo is available and at pre crazy prices.

I am looking into selling many of my toys to pay down debt and get closer to getting out of town. If I could find more than a pound of powder at a time I would try to get more of that as well. I am pretty well stocked but as I said I really don't want to use what I cant replace. I think I am going to have to start frequenting the gun shows again hoping to find a deal.

I will be adding a Wilson combat to my line up as soon as I make it out of town and I would also like to add one of there ARs to my line up as well but those are at least 2 years out.
Posted By: Endeavour Morse

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 08/03/14 01:53 AM

Originally Posted by lazi
I''ve been trying to convince myself to sell my M1A and SLR-107 to fund a SCAR17. I think it's the "buy thrice" part that's bugging me. But looking at what I will spend to make the M1A and SLR107 what I want them to be I'd still come up short and likely have spent what it would cost me to just get everything sorted out.

The 17 is available for $2500 now which is considerably less than I paid for my two Heavies. Posted By: Endeavour Morse ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 08/03/14 01:57 AM Originally Posted by gun dog Yeah I used to shoot a 550 count every week. Haven't shot that in a year Being A poor college student with an annual income of$24000 before taxes, before bills. Guns and gear is a very painful investment. I can only buy the best I can afford but can even afford the ammo to practice with the guns I can afford.
And I won't buy the cheapest guns. I shoot for mid range quality.

$24000 is an OUTSTANDING income for a college student. I made$25000 my first year out of school (as a top of class graduate architect) and my bachelor degreed wife was making $15 per hour ($30k) after ten years at her bank when she quit two years ago.
Posted By: gun dog

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 08/03/14 02:45 AM

Yeah but it doesn't go very far these days even coupon shopping for my food. I know it better than most kids my age and I don't even have a college degree yet.
Last year was my first year of college and last spring I graduated with a certificate in precision manufacturing. This fall I will get my CNC programming certificate.
This spring I will graduate with a precision manufacturing degree and a CNC programming degree( all this in 2 years total). I worked hard and have maintained a 4.0 GPA and was lucky enough for a aerospace machining company to hire me and offer to put $2000 a year towards my school. Posted By: gun dog ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 08/03/14 02:48 AM I know I got it better than most. But it's not easy when the SHTF clock is running and I got only so much time to prepare. Posted By: Spider-Pig ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 08/03/14 03:39 AM Originally Posted by Architect Originally Posted by gun dog Yeah I used to shoot a 550 count every week. Haven't shot that in a year Being A poor college student with an annual income of$24000 before taxes, before bills. Guns and gear is a very painful investment. I can only buy the best I can afford but can even afford the ammo to practice with the guns I can afford.
And I won't buy the cheapest guns. I shoot for mid range quality.

$24000 is an OUTSTANDING income for a college student. I made$25000 my first year out of school (as a top of class graduate architect) and my bachelor degreed wife was making $15 per hour ($30k) after ten years at her bank when she quit two years ago.

I was thinking the same thing. I made $19,000/yr as a Sergeant in the Marine Corps, and I was on the clock 24 hours a day, and I wasn't smart enough to GI Bill my way into some type of degree. You're doing good, gun dog. Posted By: gun dog ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 08/03/14 03:47 AM Thanks guys I know I'm very blessed. It's sometimes hard to remember I'm years behind y'all in my gun purchasing prepping stuff. But good things come to those that wait right? Posted By: Spider-Pig ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 08/03/14 03:57 AM This reminds me of something way off topic. During my last week of service I attended a separations class. The class was being given by a civilian, and it was on finding work out in the "real world." He talked about writing a resume, dressing for an interview (this was the first time I had ever heard of worsted wool, and for some reason that stuck with me), and selling yourself. He asked the question "does anyone here not want to make$60k/yr?" and I raised my hand. I said I wanted to make $100k/yr. I was so naive. I made$23k my first year out, then a couple years later I went on salary and made $28k/yr, but worked way more hours so it ended up being a pay cut. I have a good job now, but when I look back on that I am so embarassed by that "$100k" comment. I am laughing about it right now.
Posted By: Spider-Pig

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 08/03/14 03:58 AM

You're absolutely right, Mike. You're way ahead of me when I was your age.
Posted By: gun dog

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 08/03/14 04:24 AM

Yep $16 an hour plus tuition assistance plus full vision great dental and health care for$20 a month are pretty rare for a 21 year old guy. Next year I get two weeks paid vacation. If I stay at the company 7 years I can make $33 and hour. Get time and a half over time and double time on Sundays. Oh and$100 boot allowance
Posted By: gun dog

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 08/03/14 04:26 AM

I'm very blessed. Hopefully it set me up for the life I want to live.
Get my own tools start my own shop and live debt free!!!
Posted By: Spider-Pig

28 years old and making $33/hr? You can't beat that with a stick! Posted By: greaser ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 08/03/14 04:35 AM Stay there GD that's the job of a lifetime, good for you. Posted By: Endeavour Morse ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 08/03/14 05:06 AM Debt freedom is a noble goal that will bring all sorts of other freedoms. Posted By: SkunkHunter ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 08/03/14 05:22 AM Mike, If you start your own shop, you will work MUCH harder, MUCH longer and for MUCH less pay than you are making now. Of course there are exceptions. Posted By: gun dog ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 08/03/14 02:01 PM My delema is that it a production type of machining and all you do is adjust tooling and load and unload fixtures. It not fun or enjoyable work. It's only so challanging. It's not exactly the high quality type if work. And all the union guys are a bunch if miserable people that make each others lives miserable to. While it's and amazing job for money and benefits someday I may be forced to choose between that and working someplace doing something I enjoy. So it's a strange situation for me. Posted By: SkunkHunter ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 08/03/14 02:32 PM I wasn't trying to discourage you Mike, but do your research, and only set up shop that has a good enough demand for machine work. Posted By: gun dog ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 08/03/14 04:20 PM Yep. I know it will be lots of work. It's a odd decision.... Happiness vs money... Posted By: lazi ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 08/03/14 07:08 PM Originally Posted by Architect Originally Posted by lazi I''ve been trying to convince myself to sell my M1A and SLR-107 to fund a SCAR17. I think it's the "buy thrice" part that's bugging me. But looking at what I will spend to make the M1A and SLR107 what I want them to be I'd still come up short and likely have spent what it would cost me to just get everything sorted out. The 17 is available for$2500 now which is considerably less than I paid for my two Heavies.

I have been seeing those prices lately and it's made it hard not to contemplate my options to get there. I tried to convince myself the SCAR17 was "too much" and out of reach but I think it's the rifle for me.

I guess I'll take the 107 and M1A to the gun show this weekend.

Posted By: gun dog

Where do I find a scar heavy for $2500!!!!!!! Posted By: lazi ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 08/03/14 09:48 PM Been seeing them pop up on slickguns. Posted By: gun dog ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 08/04/14 02:05 AM Ok never heard of that. Posted By: Endeavour Morse ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 08/04/14 08:33 PM Slickguns is basically a sending-site where people post deals so you can find the best price on something. I've used it from time to time with good results. I'd be happy to get$2500 out of my extra Scar-17 I have for sale. What I paid eight months ago versus what they're selling for now is rather depressing. Gun sales have nose dived recently, and the prices are reflecting this. The series of panic buying left a lot of people bitter and financially broken. Combined with the insane ammo price and availability issues - the market is dry.
Posted By: Endeavour Morse

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 08/04/14 08:34 PM

I'm curious to see what happens to the gun market as we approach the election....
Posted By: greaser

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 08/04/14 09:07 PM

I think who is put up as candidates will play a huge part in it.
Posted By: gun dog

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 08/04/14 09:44 PM

You have scar-h for sale?
Posted By: lazi

Maybe 6 months ago I witnessed a guy sell his SCAR17 with a lnib Eotech and a hundred or so rounds of custom target ammo to a LGS for $2K. I think there was a sling, couple mags, and a couple other accessories. Everything in the orginal boxes and guy says he bought it during the "panic" and shot it about 50 times and then realized they didn't need that much rifle. Yes all that for 2K!!!!! I thought he was just selling the rifle at first and tried to convince him to give me a day or so. He had already struck the deal with the lgs was waiting on the cash. This is a lgs that sells a SCAR17 for$3K with $210 in state sales tax. Posted By: gun dog ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 08/04/14 11:43 PM I want a deal like that! Posted By: SkunkHunter ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 08/04/14 11:50 PM Don't have a SCAR, but I'll sell ya a Colt AR15A3 for$1605!
Posted By: greaser

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 08/05/14 12:26 AM

Originally Posted by SkunkHunter
Don't have a SCAR, but I'll sell ya a Colt AR15A3 for $1605! full auto? deal! LOL Posted By: gun dog ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 08/05/14 10:00 AM Lol yeah if it was I'd drive down and get it! Posted By: gun dog ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 08/05/14 10:56 AM Can you run a rifle length gas system on a carbine lower? If not what do you need to change to make it happen? Posted By: SkunkHunter ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 08/05/14 12:36 PM Semi grease. AND I was just playing on the 3210 price. Posted By: Endeavour Morse ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 08/05/14 07:40 PM Originally Posted by gun dog You have scar-h for sale? Yes, but not for$2000 with an EoTech, etc. By the way, if he shot the H with that Eo attached - it wasn't long for this world. The Heavy eats EoTechs.
Posted By: Endeavour Morse

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 08/05/14 07:41 PM

Originally Posted by gun dog
Can you run a rifle length gas system on a carbine lower? If not what do you need to change to make it happen?

The lower has very little impact on function. The only component in the lower that has an impact on function is the weight of the buffer.

Most people use an H or H2 buffer in a carbine length system, and a carbine or H in a midlength. A 16" barrel with a regular fixed stock would be a carbine buffer solution.
Posted By: Endeavour Morse

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 08/05/14 07:42 PM

..or a H if you're having cycling issues.
Posted By: Endeavour Morse

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 08/05/14 07:43 PM

dwell time and short stroking.
Posted By: Endeavour Morse

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 08/05/14 07:45 PM

The weight of the Scar's bolt carrier is significant and results in a "forward recoil" effect (similar to an air rifle) which has been damaging optics. Hardened optics like current ACOGs and Night Forces haven't been damaged. Apparently, Elcan Specter DRs are good to go as well.

However, I wouldn't recommend a traditional Leupold, EoTech, Aimpoint, Accupoint, etc.

I've not personally experienced this, but have been involved in enough discussions with people who have (including pictures of dead optics) to believe it is a real issue. Also, .gov now only issues Specter DRs with the Heavy. This probably lends credibility to the issue since they would be hard pressed to find a more expensive option.
Posted By: SkunkHunter

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 08/05/14 07:48 PM

Like I said before, check out QUALITY air rifle scopes. THEY are made to handle the forward and backward recoil forces.
Posted By: SkunkHunter

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 08/05/14 07:49 PM

And also Like I've said, my Air Rifle scope, a beeman SS4 is also rated for full automatic fire centerfires.!
Posted By: Endeavour Morse

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 08/05/14 07:51 PM

You are correct Randy.

If you put a $1000 Leupold Mark 4 on a$40 pellet rifle from Wal-Mart you will likely ruin the scope.

Most optics are designed for single-direction recoil. The forward impulse damages traditional scopes.

Posted By: Endeavour Morse

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 08/05/14 07:52 PM

People have documented SCAR induced damage to scopes rated for full auto 50BMG.

I will only use the following on my two Scar-17 keepers:

Night Force
Trijicon ACOG TA11
USO
Posted By: Endeavour Morse

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 08/05/14 07:53 PM

As with a lot of "problems" I think this one is over hyped, but I do believe it to be a real issue. Therefore, I'm mitigating my risk by only using the aforementioned optics.

I've never had a Night Force, but have enough testamony to believe they're "Scar Proof".

I sold my USO SN4 to pay for a ACOG TA11.
Posted By: gun dog

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 08/05/14 08:01 PM

Ok. I just ordered a LVOA lower from war sport and I'm trying to decide what upper to use. I was tempted to put a rifle upper together or build on the RECCE rifle concept.
Posted By: greaser

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 08/07/14 08:23 PM

I have wanted a night force for a while now but the price has kept me away so far.
Posted By: greaser

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 08/07/14 08:28 PM

When you get the lower in have your ffl register it as a pistol so you can use it as a pistol and a rifle.
Posted By: monsterdog

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 08/08/14 02:53 AM

Originally Posted by greaser
When you get the lower in have your ffl register it as a pistol so you can use it as a pistol and a rifle.

I AM NOT A LAWYER, so don't take this as legal advice, and do your own research:

The way I understand Federal law, all stripped virgin lowers have to be transferred as other/receiver and from there you can build it into a pistol or a rifle as you wish. If your FFL transfer a stripped virgin lower as anything else, they're doing it wrong. Get a copy of the 4473 for your records.

If the receiver has even once been built into a gun (barrel and maybe stock attached), it remains what you made it into and must after that be transferred as such.

A pistol can supposedly always be made into a rifle, but a rifle has to stay a rifle. Be careful, it's very easy to accidentally be in possession of an illegal short barrel rifle, even if you simply own parts that can only be configured as an SBR. Like owning a pistol and a buffer tube with a collapsible stock in a box in your garage, but no long gun upper.

Between Federal law, ATF regulations, and local laws, there's a lot of grey area to building an AR pistol, so make sure you really do your homework first.

All that said, they're a ton of fun
Posted By: Ray Settanta

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 08/08/14 03:15 AM

According to the Feds, a new, stripped lower can be built as a pistol, converted to a rifle and back to a pistol. It can be changed to either at any time. A new, stripped lower, when built as a rifle must remain a rifle and cannot be built into a pistol at any time in the future.
Posted By: gun dog

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 08/08/14 10:42 AM

It's got a carbine tube and stock from WS
Posted By: Mastiff

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 08/08/14 12:54 PM

"...shall not be infringed.”

in·fringe verb \in-&#712;frinj\ : to do something that does not obey or follow (a rule, law, etc.) ( chiefly US )

: to wrongly limit or restrict (something, such as another person's rights)

Maybe the Feds don't know the definition?
Posted By: gun dog

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 08/08/14 01:47 PM

Haha yeah.
So for a low profile gas block what's best. pinned, clamp on, set screw with demples ,set screw no demples?
Posted By: lazi

Gun show is this weekend... I guess I'll go walk around with my M1A and/or SLR107. I would love for these two to pay for it but I guess if i was to wind up with anything over $2K I can probably go ahead and get a SCAR17. I know a SCAR is overkill but dagnabit!!! Posted By: RN ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 08/08/14 09:46 PM Buy Lazi, buy!! Question for you, have you seen a CZ 97 B/BD yet and hefted it? If so, what did you think about the size? Posted By: lazi ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 08/08/14 11:51 PM Nope... Haven't actually held one or seen one other than online. I'm expecting it to be a smaller than my FNP45 but a bit heavier. I wish we had a place locally but we don't see much CZ stuff down here. Posted By: Spider-Pig ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 08/08/14 11:56 PM From what I've read, if you're concerned with size then get the aluminum grips as they are slimmer. Posted By: gun dog ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 08/09/14 02:32 AM So I got a ljs low profile gas block. It's the set screw type. It's identical to the Troy and is made by the same machine shop. Just$19. Planning on tomorrow ordering a 20" 410 stainless blackened SAM-R barrel from bcm. Then as soon as I can afford it a voltor MUR. And then I'm torn between saving for a DD light rail 3 15 in rail or getting the Troy sdmr 15 in rail. Add a auto BCG ( not sure whose yet)
With a bcm gun fighter charging handle then just folding sight flash hider and gas tube any thoughts or ideas with these parts and this build?
Posted By: Spider-Pig

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 08/09/14 02:53 AM

You're ordering a barrel and charging handle from bcm, might as well get an M16 bcg from them too. They're good.
Posted By: gun dog

Ok. Good point. The cheapest I've found the voltor MUR is at ranier arms for $189 Posted By: Spider-Pig ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 08/09/14 03:20 AM The bcm m16 bcg is$169. While it's not the cheapest, I personally feel you're getting MORE than you are paying for. Take a look at the reviews.
Posted By: gun dog

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 08/09/14 04:25 AM

True. What do you think about the barrel

http://www.bravocompanyusa.com/mobile/Product.aspx?ProductCode=BCM-BRL-SS410-SAMR-1-IBB

I though it sounded like a good barrel for the money. Haven't seen hand lapped match barrels for less than $400 Posted By: RN ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 08/09/14 10:31 AM Originally Posted by Spider-Pig From what I've read, if you're concerned with size then get the aluminum grips as they are slimmer. Yep, that's what I read too. Watched a YouTube video last night and saw it in hand, that owner thought the "it's so big..." talk is overblown a bit. That was good to hear. Posted By: lazi ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 08/09/14 04:34 PM But those walnut grips sure do look good! Posted By: gun dog ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 08/09/14 07:12 PM Ordered the bcm 20" 410 match barrel. Bcm Auto BCG. Rifle gas tube. A2 flash hider and crush washer. And gunfighter charging handle mod 3 Posted By: lazi ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 08/09/14 09:07 PM Got offered$1350 for my scout. Ouchie!!!!

More than I expected from a dealer. Don't know if I want to let it go for that.
Posted By: gun dog

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 08/09/14 09:31 PM

That's what I got in my ar build... Still need upper and quad rail
Posted By: lazi

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 08/09/14 10:29 PM

Another dealer who has a SCAR17 wants both the M1A and SLR107 with another $500 on top that's$2800 for the SCAR. Was tempting because I could walk with it but that's just too steep for me to stomach.

holding that SCAR17 sure made it hard to walk away. I almost had forgotten how light they are.
Posted By: greaser

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 08/09/14 10:33 PM

I have never been a fan of quad rails, I prefer the Magpul hand guards.
YMMV
http://store.magpul.com/product/MAG419/62
Posted By: gun dog

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 08/09/14 11:17 PM

I would agree but this is going free float to milk every ounce of accuracy out of that barrel I can. My next upper probably will get that.
The Troy SDMR is $100 less but then later to add rail sections the cost adds up fast. I've never used key mod so is it better to just spend the money and get all the rail or get a key mod and add later. I'm guessing when it's all said and done the two will cost about the same and weigh about the same. If you had to pick between these or a 15in aluminum rail what would y'all pick? Posted By: lazi ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 08/10/14 10:25 PM Goodbye M1A! Now just have to see what I can do with the SLR107. I don't find many local folks who care about any differences between a$500 AK and a $1000 AK. I'm thinking I may have to list this one online. Posted By: greaser ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 08/10/14 10:49 PM Congrats Lazi. GD I would go for the keymod because usually a 2 inch rail is more than enough so not having the full length rails will save weight. Posted By: gun dog ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 08/10/14 11:02 PM Congrats. I'd love to have the 107 but it's bad timing since I just started this AR. Posted By: RN ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 08/11/14 11:56 PM Where's Gary and his sweet new Ed Brown?? Posted By: gun dog ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 08/13/14 02:35 AM Wonder why he picked EB over Wilson or night hawk? Posted By: RN ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 08/14/14 06:33 PM Guess he's choosing from a pretty elite/sweet group! Can't go wrong with any I guess. Helped push me over the edge...will try and get a Dan Wesson Heritage at some point I think... In other news, bought bulk 22 lr today...for like the 6-7x in last few weeks. Woohoo! Posted By: gun dog ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 08/14/14 07:27 PM Lucky!!! I really like the DW Specialist Posted By: lazi ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 08/15/14 12:48 AM My attempt at scoping a couple rifles didn't work out but Eh... I am still wanting a light folding x39 "bullet hose" so next week I may go ahead and order a VS58. Maybe that will help me get the 107 on out the door. I Posted By: lazi ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 08/15/14 12:54 AM I don't know much about 1911 pistols but I was like a moth to a flame at the last gun show. I don't know what it was about that particular Dan Wesson but I had to handle it. If I was a 1911 guy the DW would certainly be high on my list. Posted By: El CacaFuego ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 08/15/14 01:17 AM Lazi, From what I hear, the S&W 1911s pull off that eternal extractor flawlessly, which is akin to ancient voodoo when it comes to that platform, haha. I've always had a spiritual connection with the 1911, it just fits the hand. Posted By: gun dog ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 08/15/14 02:19 AM I love the 1911!!! But as a machinest I'm saddened by all the MIM parts now being sold to poor unsuspecting 1911 fans Posted By: SkunkHunter ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 08/15/14 05:54 AM Mike, I don't understand all the broohaha about MIM parts. Are they fragile, more prone to breakage due to not really having a grain flow, more like a fiberglass boat made with the chopped glass method? Posted By: RN ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 08/15/14 11:14 AM Yeah, is it that serious? Right after posting I started looking at the SA Loaded model and got tempted.$300 to $400 less than a heritage...that's a bunch of ammo...less time to save and get into the gun too. I like the looks of the SA 1911s too... Posted By: gun dog ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 08/15/14 03:26 PM Here is some info http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metal_injection_molding Most MIM parts are more pourious and not as well bound together at the molecular level. Metal ha a crystalline structure and forged and roled stock is better structured and denser. There for stronger than material that is MIM. Surfaces that rub or parts that take stress need to be strong. I'm not getting anything with MIM parts if I can help it. I'm not saying they are all bad. Glock M&P and more have good reputations and use MIM parts. But some guns IMHO are better serviced by other parts. The big advantage in the DW 1911 is the parts that are MIM in other brands are TOOL STEEL. Much tougher and better suited for the job. It's just like knives. Yeah a knife out of cheaper steel can work. But there is a reason We buy Kin knives. Posted By: El CacaFuego ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 08/15/14 04:44 PM I've selected Nighthawk components for my Rudius build... problem is I don't have the machining skill necessary to complete the 80% lower on my own, and nobody with a Machine shop who could walk me through the process... Oh, and I'm still waiting on the 2500$ for the Nighthawk components too...
Posted By: gun dog

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 08/15/14 05:43 PM

Posted By: El CacaFuego

A dremel
Posted By: lazi

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 08/16/14 12:37 AM

If you get some duct tape and a flat head screwdriver you should be good to go. :p
Posted By: El CacaFuego

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 08/16/14 01:41 AM

If I was building a Glock, maybe...

With 1911's, I have to remember to chant at the proper time, dance, and spin around until I'm dizzy, while scratching an itch on a llama's [censored] (speaking of, where can I get a Llama?), AND operate the drill press with my left pinky toe, or the end product will run like a clock with a gear missing...
Posted By: Spider-Pig

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 08/16/14 01:49 AM

Have you looked into the jig?

http://aresarmor.com/store/Item/AA-1911-J
Posted By: El CacaFuego

I thought about it, but I couldn't validate spending as much as I did for the Frame on a jig that I'll only use once. Unless I decide to pick up a few more frames and build more than one in the future, it just feels like a waste of $$:\ Posted By: Spider-Pig ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 08/16/14 02:12 AM Sell the jig when you're done! Posted By: Spider-Pig ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 08/16/14 02:13 AM You'll lose some money but it might be worth it. It would definitely be a cool project. Posted By: El CacaFuego ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 08/16/14 02:43 AM Fair point, I could always sell it... I may have to reconsider Posted By: gun dog ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 08/16/14 02:52 AM As a machinist I have to agree that without proper tools, knowledge and experince jigs and fixtures are your best bets at creating something functional. Posted By: gun dog ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 08/16/14 02:54 AM My trade your learn to buy a quality tool once. Don't skimp and cut corners. You will regret it. Buy the quality tool use it and set it back for another project. Posted By: El CacaFuego ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 08/16/14 02:56 AM Thanks for the insight guys, I'm leaning toward the jig more and more. maybe in a month when I've saved a bit, I'll place the order for it. Ares Armor is having a hayday slamming the ATF, I think they could use the income. Glad I have found a way to contribute On another note, I was digging through an old footlocker a friend of mine gave me, and Lo and Behold realized I had a fully functional and lovingly packed set of reloading equipment. Almost every tool I could need to set up a single stage reloading bench. For free... Posted By: gun dog ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 08/16/14 03:04 AM Dang what a find man! Posted By: greaser ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 08/16/14 03:20 AM Nice, if you find powder buy it I cant seem to find anything around here so online is my only option and it comes with a 28 dollar hazmat fee but it is still worth it I just buy in bulk when I can. Posted By: El CacaFuego ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 08/16/14 03:24 AM Oddly enough, every time I've gone into Sportsman's warehouse they've had some in stock. usually the huge container of it, but they have it. everyone buys out the smaller jugs quick fast and in a hurry though. Primers too, I thought those were getting hard to find Posted By: greaser ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 08/16/14 04:07 AM Primers have come around in the last couple of months up here the only hard to come by stuff is powder in any amount. Posted By: gun dog ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 08/16/14 09:35 PM I'm seeing more powder and primers but not a lot of bullets here Posted By: greaser ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 08/17/14 02:25 AM Hmmmm maybe we should start a reloading trading system everyone buys what they can for those who cant then trades for what they need. Posted By: gun dog ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 08/17/14 04:13 AM Sadly I don't reload yet so I'd need completed rounds lol Posted By: gun dog ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 08/17/14 07:05 PM So can somebody give me some insight into the whole first focal plane vs second focal plane for tactical optics? Especially the 2.5-10 power scopes. Posted By: lazi ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 08/17/14 07:40 PM I could be off but I think the idea basically is as follows... FFP keeps the measurements the same regardless of the magnificstion settings by allowing the reticle to change with the level of magnification. With SFP the reticle remains the same size no matter what the magnification level I so you would have to adjust data and calculations and such accordingly to compensate for the differences between the reticle size and level of magnification. Posted By: gun dog ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 08/17/14 09:01 PM So it's just kinda a KISS thing so you don't have to zoom in all the way to take advantage of the turrets or the recticle of the scope? Posted By: lazi ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 08/17/14 11:21 PM From my limited understanding of FFP vs SFP I think that is correct. It seems SFP scopes will have a reticle that is optimum at full power. When ranged properly FFP a MIL adjustment to your reticle is equivalent to a MIL on the target no matter if it's 25 yards or 250 yards. I don't know... My wording may be wrong. Posted By: greaser ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 08/17/14 11:35 PM Here you go guys this is about as simple explanation as I could find. Reticle placement within the erector tube determines if the riflescope is a First or Second Focal Plane. The erector assembly is a critical assembly within the riflescope and is what is responsible for magnifying or de-magnifying the image. A reticle in the First Focal Plane is placed at the front of the erector assembly and remains in the same visual proportion to the target across the riflescopes entire magnification range. While the proportions of the reticle will appear to change when adjusting the magnification, in reality the reticles values are remaining in proportion to the target. This is beneficial for rapid ranging and holdovers at various distances and magnifications. A reticle in the Second Focal Plane is placed at the rear of the erector assembly will appear to stay constant in size across the magnification range. The reticle subtensions are set at a pre-determined magnification change as magnification changes. Simple math can be used to determine the change in values, yet the reticle line size will remain consistent for a fine aiming point regardless of magnification. Posted By: gun dog ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 08/18/14 02:32 AM Ok interesting. I'm considering what kinda optic to run on this rifle once built. I'm Not sure if I want to run a 1-4 or a 2-7 or a 2.5-10 I've got the mark AR base 1-4 on my 15-22 and like its speed for aiming. But would like an illuminated rectical and thinking the 20 Sam-r barrel would deserve more zoom. So I noticed the leopuld mark 4 MRT and the vortex PST optics. Batteries are a total down fall and trijicon beats that but at a big price tag. But from tactical raccoon elimination in the dark I realized a lighted rectical is a must Posted By: SkunkHunter ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 08/18/14 03:38 AM You could always go for an IR scope. Posted By: greaser ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 08/18/14 03:52 AM yep with your soon to be AR I would go with at least the 2x7 but most likely the 2.5x10. Posted By: El CacaFuego ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 08/18/14 04:04 AM GD, Greaser's definitions are spot on. In my experience, running at lower magnifications, I would go with a FFP scope, reason being: FFP scopes have a tendency to obscure the target at higher magnifications (it's often perceived that way, anyways). At a lower magnification (I've used them up to 10x and loved them), it will allow you to dial in your dope without having to add another factor to the equation, which is at the least more work, and at worst allows for yet another error to throw the shot. You can't miss fast enough to win a gunfight. (raccoons, you'll probably live another day, though.) -however- In my experience, if you run a higher magnification that 10x, an FFP becomes unwieldy, while the SFP optic continues to offer a finer aiming point at any magnification. I can't recall seeing a FFP optic with more power than 12x, but I don't research optics as often as other things. I'm sure they exist. Anyway, the Wally World special I was running on my M14 ran up to 16x, and is a SFP optic. The subtensions for the reticle were calibrated at 10x, so around that magnification my dope was usually on (there was no detent, so it was impossible to get it exactly at 10x.) They both have their pros and cons, but IMO they each fill a certain niche better than the other. Ultimately though, try before you buy if you can, nothing beats firsthand experience when it comes to equipment Posted By: El CacaFuego ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 08/18/14 04:17 AM Wondering what you fellas think of the New Versamax by Remington? I haven't ever purchased a shotgun because I didn't want a pump gun, and after initially settling on a Saiga, decided against it due to reliability issues with cheap target loads. Then I bounced around for a while, Benelli, Mossberg, Remingtons other semi autos, and even eyeballed some Berettas. Didn't want to spend 2K on a M4 Super 90 to have to blow another 200 on a decent mag tube, didn't like the tang safety on a pistol grip configuration for the Mossberg, reliability issues with underpowered loads on the older Remingtons, and on and on and on... then I saw this... http://www.recoilweb.com/remington-versa-max-3-gun-competition-shotgun-35761.html anybody have any experience with these yet? I'd love to know what an ungreased palm's experience with the shotgun is. There is a standard Tactical at the Ft. Carson PX right now. it's sat there for a year, and if I hear enough good things, I might snap it up. Posted By: gun dog ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 08/18/14 03:20 PM Well here is my opinion so do what you want with it. Benelli #1. Mossy #2. Versamax...#3. While I don't own any of these at the moment when I was working as a waterfowl guide a used all and saw all in action. All covered in mud sand water and Ice. The benelli is the gun to beat. Hands down. If I was trusting my life to an auto shotgun it would be the benelli. M4 M3 M2 i would use em all. The mossy ran fine with no issues but the over all quality of the gun and parts wasn't as high and the tang safety sucks. Remington auto guns went down more than any other brand versa max 1187 1100. Plus with the freedom groups recent history with remington guns and recalls I would touch any but an 870 police... For hunting guns the berreta is right up with benelli. But due to limited choices on the defense side I didn't list it. Posted By: Spider-Pig ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 08/18/14 03:48 PM I don't have any experience with the Versamax, but I do have plenty of experience with my Stoeger M3500 and I love it. It's a budget gun made in Turkey and it has ran everything I've put through it without a single issue. I've abused it and let other people borrow it, and it performs flawlessly. My only gripe is that it has a VERY heavy trigger, but that can be fixed. My only regret is that I didn't spend the extra hundred bucks to get the camo version. I like the gun so much that I'm considering getting the M3020, which is the 20 gauge version. I know that didn't answer your question, and I'm sorry. I just love the M3500 so much that I felt like that needed to be said. Posted By: gun dog ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 08/18/14 04:37 PM Not a defense gun but the benelli, stoger, franchi, family guns have great reputations!!! Posted By: Spider-Pig ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 08/18/14 06:32 PM Yep, sorry about that. I hear Versamax and I don't think tactical. Posted By: gun dog ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 08/18/14 07:14 PM Exactly!!!! Posted By: El CacaFuego ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 08/18/14 08:05 PM Fair enough, thanks for the input guys! I was at my local rip-off... I mean Specialty Sports, and they had a (hardly) used Benelli M2 for about 1 Thousand. being a blowback, it will probably beat me up quite a bit more than one of the gas guns, but it's in the running for consideration. GD, The tang safety is a big turnoff for me with Mossies as well, it's tough to reach with anything but a sporting stock, and even then I still have to sacrifice a solid grip on the controls to disengage it... and when seconds count... Posted By: Endeavour Morse ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 08/18/14 10:05 PM FFP takes a little getting use to if you're use to the reticle staying the same size. However, after you've used a FFP for a while you'll never want to go back. Don't discount the Benelli M1. Its built sturdier than the M2, and uses the same inertia system. I bought my first Benelli M1 Super 90 in 1994 and still have one I bought in 1996. Over the span of that time I've owned quite a few M1, M2 and M3. I don't care for the M3. The "pump" location is too far out for a non orangutang. The M2 is just a cheaper-to-manufacturer M1. Posted By: Endeavour Morse ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 08/18/14 10:08 PM Originally Posted by El CacaFuego Fair enough, thanks for the input guys! I was at my local rip-off... I mean Specialty Sports, and they had a (hardly) used Benelli M2 for about 1 Thousand. being a blowback, it will probably beat me up quite a bit more than one of the gas guns, but it's in the running for consideration. GD, The tang safety is a big turnoff for me with Mossies as well, it's tough to reach with anything but a sporting stock, and even then I still have to sacrifice a solid grip on the controls to disengage it... and when seconds count... The M2 will have more recoil than an 1187 (for example) and more than a M1 due to the "lighter" (ie: cheaper) plastic is better craze. The new "ComforTech" stocks do work, however. I've had four or five Remington 1187. Two worked great, the rest ... well.... not so great. They're strictly hunting guns, IMO. I wouldn't want a Remington gas gun if I was on a two-way range. My M1 Super 90 is so fast I can unload the magazine before the first shell his the ground. EVERY M1S90 I've owned ran 100% with the lightest loads I could find. I don't have enough experience with my M2 to comment. The M3 is just a beastly tank. The Remington 1100 is a turd. Posted By: RN ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 08/18/14 11:25 PM So what's the word with the new Ed Brown Gary?! Posted By: greaser ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 08/19/14 12:05 AM I run this one it does just fine for trap single and doubles. It also burns through a mag as fast as you can pull the trigger. just make sure you get the latest version as the older ones didn't like trap loads. Posted By: gun dog ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 08/19/14 01:45 AM Isn't that a moded remington action? Posted By: gun dog ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 08/19/14 01:46 AM I agree with Gary. A M1S90 would be my choice before. M2 or M3 Posted By: greaser ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 08/19/14 02:14 AM Yes it is modeled after the older 1100 action which appears to be more reliable than the current gen for what ever reason. Posted By: gun dog ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 08/19/14 02:32 AM Well sounds like you got something you like! I guess I'm still holding out for a benelli. Gosh I miss guiding. Posted By: lazi ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 08/19/14 07:28 PM I don't know... I want a SCAR17 but I'm seriously considering a KelTec RFB and using the rest of the funds to get some decent glass if/when I sell my SLR107 Posted By: gun dog ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 08/19/14 07:40 PM JJ has or had one. Not sure what he though of it. I just can't get behind keltek because of there limited product there for not enough T&E and field input into a design. Why not build a AR .308? Posted By: lazi ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 08/19/14 07:48 PM Last I remember JJ said he liked his RFB. That's one reason it stays in the my mind. I just don't like the AR rifles that much. I would snag a SIG716 just to see if I like it but I didn't like the weight on it. A FAL is tempting but I think I'll pass. So far the only two rifles I know I would buy today is a SCAR17 and a 24" barrel RFB. I still haven't listed the 107 because I don't like selling firearms online and I'm lazi... Posted By: gun dog ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 08/19/14 10:23 PM Those sigs are HEAVY Posted By: lazi ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 08/20/14 02:14 AM And a bit front heavy at that. While it's manageable I wouldn't want to scope one and lug it around for a while. I looked at a bunch of AR10 rifles online today. Nothing stood out. I also looked into the RFB some more and I don't think I will go that route. I contacted a guy about his SCAR and hopefully we can work something out but he didn't jump on my offer so we will see. Posted By: gun dog ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 08/20/14 02:28 AM I love the power of the .308 but I haven't seen a semi auto one that says hey I'm the one pick me. The whole FAL would be great if there was some kinda of consistency. By this I mean all the nice ones aren't made any more so you pay lots of Money for one of those or you buy a parts kit rifle or a less than perfect new manufacture model. The AR and scar are my two fav The M1A if made like the original ones would be great but none of the new ones seem to have that quality and reliability. Posted By: Mastiff ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 08/20/14 02:59 PM This may be a bit off topic but I'm hoping for some good info from you dogs. Earmuffs. I've always used non-powered muffs along with foam inserts for range shooting. Great for hearing protection but I'm at a huge disadvantage when someone tries to talk. So I've been doing some research into the electronic ear muff market. Wow, there’s a lot of companies that want me to buy their products. The weak point of all of these muffs seems to be that you have to suffer db protection loss if you want to use electronic ear muffs with a rifle. For instance a set of Howard Leight Impact Sport (22db noise reduction rating) for 48 vs Howard Leight Impact Pro (30bd NRR) for 68. It would seem a no-brainer to spend the extra$$$to get the extra protection, but a major complaint is that the Impact Pro's are larger and interfere with a cheek weld associated with rifle shooting. I would like to spend less than$300 for a quality set of electronic muffs, but they would have to be high on the quality chart for that kind of money.
Posted By: gun dog

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 08/20/14 03:23 PM

I've got the Howard Light impact sport. I'm very happy with them for pistol and rifle shooting.
Posted By: gun dog

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 08/20/14 07:24 PM

Getting a call from your ffl.... It's here!!! Awesome feeling
Posted By: Mastiff

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 08/20/14 09:42 PM

FFL, acronym for Santa Claus
Posted By: gun dog

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 08/20/14 11:39 PM

Lol they give only if they recieve though.
Posted By: El CacaFuego

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 08/20/14 11:53 PM

Lazi,

You said weight was your chief complaint regarding .308 ARs... DPMS may have solved your problem.

http://dpms-gii.com/full.html
Posted By: El CacaFuego

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 08/20/14 11:57 PM

Mastiff,

I have purchased two sets of Howard Leights, the second ONLY because my dog chewed the first set up... I agree with GD completely.

I've shot them with everything I own, including one very noisy M14, the sound attenuation has always been below my pain level for impulse sound. With that said, I am certain I have a degree of hearing loss due to my time in the Army. Blackhawk helicopters aren't nearly as quiet as hollywood portrays them to be... you could always plug up though.

The audio enhancement is worth every cent alone. I was shooting in the woods a few years back, doing QR drills with my SLR-106F, and during a lull in the shooting, I heard crackling and crunching in the underbrush behind me. It sounded like it was right on top of me! I whirled around to see what had made the sound, and as it turns out, there were two younger bucks walking through the treeline... 250 meters away.
Posted By: Spider-Pig

I'm about $500 away from buying a DPMS GII Hunter.... Posted By: DogTired ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 08/21/14 12:53 AM Have to pick up a PSA lower this week. Now I need to figure out what upper to pair it with...that and how I'll pay for one Looking at PSA or Hardened Arms. I'm cheap and I've seen good reviews. Posted By: Spider-Pig ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 08/21/14 01:06 AM I've been happy with my PSA upper. Posted By: gun dog ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 08/21/14 01:19 AM Do what I'm doing and build and upper Posted By: lazi ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 08/21/14 02:22 AM I have a deal pending on SCAR17. Fingers crossed and such... If this doesn't scratch the itch then I probably wont bother with another semi auto .308 rifle. I was already starting to think of sinking these funds into a nice bolt rifle and scope. Posted By: El CacaFuego ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 08/21/14 03:17 AM Spider-Pig, I was drooling over the SASR. Unfortunately, I don't have the disposable income yet to validate the purchase of another .308 :\ Posted By: SkunkHunter ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 08/21/14 06:25 AM One of our Deputies bought himself a KSG for his Birthday. NICE! He brought it in to show me. I couldn't believe how smooth it was being so new. ONLY drawback I saw (I ONLY Handled it for about 5 minutes) was that it will take a VERY high mount set of front and rear sights or some type of optical sight. Posted By: gun dog ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 08/21/14 09:52 AM Good point randy Posted By: Mastiff ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 08/21/14 12:40 PM A SCAR 17 would definitely stop that itch...for a while. Good luck on your pending deal. Posted By: Spider-Pig ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 08/21/14 03:05 PM Originally Posted by El CacaFuego Spider-Pig, I was drooling over the SASR. Unfortunately, I don't have the disposable income yet to validate the purchase of another .308 :\ I heard that. I've been selling stuff that isn't getting used in order to come up with the money. I'm so close. Right now I'm just waiting for a friend of mine to scrape together enough cash to buy some of my stuff. Once that happens the Hunter is mine. The only gripe I've heard about the GII's is that they're over gassed, just like all other DPMS rifles. Posted By: gun dog ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 08/21/14 03:07 PM Over gassed? Portsto large? Posted By: Spider-Pig ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 08/21/14 03:22 PM Yes. People are successfully addressing the issue with adjustable gas blocks. They function fine on their own, but some people like just enough gas for the rifle to function properly, and some people couldn't care less. Posted By: Spider-Pig ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 08/21/14 03:30 PM Once I buy the rifle I will still need to buy a scope, which will be the first non-open sight I have ever purchased. I don't know squat about scopes so I will be asking for advice on this when the time comes. Posted By: gun dog ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 08/21/14 07:16 PM I'm sure you will get plenty around here lol Posted By: SkunkHunter ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 08/21/14 07:42 PM Well this is the gun talk thread, so how about paracord slings! http://www.sandstormcustomrifleslings.com/ Posted By: gun dog ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 08/21/14 09:55 PM Just found a ruger single six hunter!!!!! Yep it went into layaway. Posted By: El CacaFuego ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 08/22/14 12:59 AM I'm still going back and forth over putting that M2 Super 90 on layaway. I haven't seen an M1 Super anything for sale anywhere, even online... so I might have to settle for the underbuilt version. Benelli isn't even selling M1s anymore, it's off the catalog Posted By: El CacaFuego ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 08/22/14 01:01 AM There's a vendor at the PX who sells Paracord slings. Was thinking about grabbing one of the Collars she makes for my dog in Neon green and yellow. I personally prefer my Magpul MS3 though for sling work. I could see a paracord sling if I'm hoofing in the woods and might need to improv a shelter, but not for tactical shooting /:I except now I looked at your link, Randy, lol... I am intrigued Posted By: El CacaFuego ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 08/22/14 01:02 AM Sweet score GD! Posted By: gun dog ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 08/22/14 02:05 AM Yep been trying to find one for a while now. I look at is as multi cal weapon for BOB. For shotguns I'd like a para cord sling but for rifles is single point or my tactical intervention sling for rifles. Posted By: gun dog ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 08/22/14 02:12 AM Plus with 22lr so hard to find and shorts and mags available I thought it was better than a strictly 22lr weapon. Posted By: Mastiff ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 08/22/14 03:30 PM Filled the Pilot with 3 rifles and 4 pistols, enought earmuffs and saftey glasses for our group of seven. Ammo, targets, cleaning kit where added and off we go to the gun club we just joined. Only to find the pistol/rifle range was closed due to a pre-planned skeet competition. The three Grandkids were greatly disappointed. Posted By: gun dog ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 08/22/14 04:57 PM Gosh that sucks. Wish you could come over and shoot here... Posted By: Spider-Pig ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 08/22/14 05:11 PM That DOES suck. I hope you guys were able to find something to do. The local gun club here has at least a 1 year waiting list. I guess I had better get on the list. Posted By: Spider-Pig ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 08/22/14 05:15 PM Correction. The waiting list is closed. Posted By: gun dog ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 08/22/14 05:21 PM Wow.... Crazy. Got my war sport LVOA lower today!!!!! Totally bad ars. Posted By: RN ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 08/22/14 06:34 PM Just checked out a CZ 97bd...it's pretty big, but very manageable. Nice gun to me...but then I like CZs! They had like 10 Dan Wessons too...oh mama....they are nice! Posted By: lazi ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 08/22/14 08:13 PM Sorry to hear about the range trip. I've been trying to make a trip myself. I can see how it would suck to get there and not be able to shoot. Originally Posted by gun dog Wow.... Crazy. Got my war sport LVOA lower today!!!!! Totally bad ars. Congrats! It sounds like you are working up a nice AR rifle. Posted By: lazi ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 08/22/14 08:39 PM Originally Posted by RN Just checked out a CZ 97bd...it's pretty big, but very manageable. Nice gun to me...but then I like CZs! They had like 10 Dan Wessons too...oh mama....they are nice! I've been seeing a few pop up online. The prices haven't been that bad either. I think I'd send a 97b to CZ's custom shop before I spent the coin a DW. But man they are nice! Posted By: lazi ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 08/22/14 08:43 PM Is it just me are firearm and ammo prices dropping slightly online? I hope so. I wouldn't mind picking up a case of .308 and a case of 7.62x39 in a couple months. Posted By: gun dog ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 08/22/14 09:07 PM Yep all high end parts going in this AR. Will be about$1700 completed.

I plan on a DW specalist next year
Posted By: Andy the Aussie

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 08/22/14 10:24 PM

Well I spent the better part of a day getting copper fouling out of the .375..... By comparison the .308 cleaned up in about 15mins.
Posted By: greaser

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 08/22/14 11:39 PM

Originally Posted by Mastiff
This may be a bit off topic but I'm hoping for some good info from you dogs.

Earmuffs. I've always used non-powered muffs along with foam inserts for range shooting. Great for hearing protection but I'm at a huge disadvantage when someone tries to talk. So I've been doing some research into the electronic ear muff market.

Wow, there’s a lot of companies that want me to buy their products. The weak point of all of these muffs seems to be that you have to suffer db protection loss if you want to use electronic ear muffs with a rifle.

Posted By: RN

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 09/12/14 08:48 PM

Nice! Congrats Lazi!

What's the handgun, CZ P09?
Posted By: lazi

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 09/12/14 09:15 PM

thats my FNH FNP45. i didn't realize it until after i took that picture but those two make for a pretty nice pairing. i had sort or tucked away the FNP and considered it as more of a range pistol but im starting to rethink its roll a bit.

Posted By: SkunkHunter

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 09/13/14 05:12 AM

Way to go lazi!
Posted By: Mastiff

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 09/13/14 11:37 AM

Lazi, you dog. <applause>
Posted By: gun dog

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 09/13/14 03:26 PM

Sweet man!!!!! How do you like the FNP?
Posted By: lazi

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 09/14/14 12:14 AM

The FNP has been great. It's a much better shooter than I am. It I a pleasure to shoot and I was really surprised at how well I did with it. My FiveSeven was a laser and I was actually right in there with the FNP.

I hadn't given much thought to the FNP as a "go to" because I just never had much interest in .45 acp. It's also a fairly large pistol and not one you'd really want to carry concealed unless you just had to. But it really has been a reliable firearm so far. Seeing it next to the SCAR made me realize I should consider taking steps to have it higher on the list of SHTF options than it has been. .45 acp will most likely never be my primary pistol caliber but I can totally see having it next to .308 for a "heavy hitter" combo.

I still think a x39 and 9mm combo will be what I end up with as the main shooters but I think I will go ahead invest a little more into the SCAR17 and FNP45 pairing for now.
Posted By: lazi

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 09/14/14 12:19 AM

Thanks fellas!

Posted By: gun dog

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 09/14/14 12:30 AM

So you kept the 107?
Posted By: lazi

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 09/14/14 12:51 AM

I picked up the 107 to have a lighter AK rifle with a folding stock. I just figured it might come in handy. I still preffered my 101 so it won't be missed.

I realized the M1A and 107 together didn't equal up to SCAR when it came to the function and features I wanted. They did equal up to a SCAR far as my investment in them so I cashed out and got the SCAR.

Posted By: Andy the Aussie

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 09/14/14 03:37 AM

Just spent the morning on the range with my 686... as much as I use autos my heart still belongs to a S&W wheelgun !!!!
Posted By: Spider-Pig

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 09/14/14 03:51 AM

Nice. My wife and I took a few guns to the range last week. She loved the 65.

Posted By: Spider-Pig

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 09/14/14 04:14 AM

She had sworn off revolvers for several years after I let her fire off a few full house loads out of my 29. It's nice to have her back shooting revolvers.
Posted By: gun dog

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 09/14/14 09:58 PM

That's cool man!
Posted By: greaser

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 09/15/14 04:41 AM

Nice score Lazi.

good to see a lady shooting SP we need more of them.

GD do the duracoating yourself the prices I have seen for getting it done are crazy.
Posted By: gun dog

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 09/16/14 10:40 AM

How does duracoat compare to cerakote?
Posted By: Endeavour Morse

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 09/16/14 05:56 PM

Originally Posted by lazi

it's one bada$$rifle... talked myself down no telling how many times but i am glad i made the leap. thanks goes to Architect and the other dogs for encouraging it. this pretty much sums up what i want in a rifle. Congrats. Outside of being EXCEEDINGLY loud (due to the PWS brake) I think the Scar-17 is about the best rifle available. Posted By: gun dog ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 09/16/14 08:45 PM Well muzzle devices can be changed... Posted By: Andy the Aussie ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 09/16/14 09:18 PM Originally Posted by gun dog How does duracoat compare to cerakote? ...the concensus seems to be that, for hard use, druacote is not in close to the same class as cerakote. We have a full cerakote booth and oven at work and so far have been very very impressed with it. I soot air cured cerakote at home and have found it to be great and durable as well. spidy... NICE M65 !!!!!! what "dash" number is it ? Posted By: Spider-Pig ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 09/16/14 09:26 PM Thanks, it's a -2! Pinned and recessed just like I like 'em. Posted By: lazi ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 09/17/14 01:45 AM Originally Posted by Architect Congrats. Outside of being EXCEEDINGLY loud (due to the PWS brake) I think the Scar-17 is about the best rifle available. I have being reading about it. I learned a lesson about the concussive effects of a muzzle break while shooting my scout from a mdf shooting house once. I'm guessing the SCAR is worst than that so I'm keeping in mind I may have to find a different break. But I've read the PWS does s good job so I'm hoping it will be okay. Posted By: El CacaFuego ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 09/17/14 05:20 PM Originally Posted by Andy the Aussie Originally Posted by gun dog How does duracoat compare to cerakote? ...the concensus seems to be that, for hard use, druacote is not in close to the same class as cerakote. We have a full cerakote booth and oven at work and so far have been very very impressed with it. I soot air cured cerakote at home and have found it to be great and durable as well. spidy... NICE M65 !!!!!! what "dash" number is it ? If I understand correctly, Duracoat is more like a tough spray paint (it cures kind of like an epoxy), a few notches above automotive paint. Cerakote is super tough, but it has to be heat cured. It's possible if you have a big enough oven to do it at home on a cookie sheet with a firearm. I plan on repainting my truck (portions of it, anyway) in Duracoat and finishing it with the Duraclear. I figure then I'd have to worry about the paint less while I'm off roading. Posted By: Andy the Aussie ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 09/17/14 09:00 PM The air cured cerakote works as well, that is what i am using at home. You need a dest free environment to shoot it (a really low pressure gun - around 5psi) and somewhere that the finished items are safe to hang for around a week undisturbed to properly go off. I have done some stocks and other bits and pieces with the air cure and they are all holding up just fine. Posted By: gun dog ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 09/17/14 09:29 PM Good to know! Posted By: gun dog ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 09/18/14 12:20 AM Ok so I'm not good at internet searches so I'm looking for a holster for my ruger single six hunter... 7.5 in barrel in a western style holster or heck a quality nylon would be nice... Most I can find are for the full size black hawk which is a bit larger Posted By: SkunkHunter ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 09/28/14 08:50 AM In light of recent events, the beheading in Moore Oklahoma and the shooting of a Police officer in Ferguson Missouri and a POSSIBLE shooting of a second one, I figured I needed to start packing at work again. Soooo I was a good boy or a bad boy (depending on your Sheeple index). Yes, I broke into the bank to pay for one of these ..... http://www.springfield-armory.com/products/xd-s-4-45-acp/ FOR ME, it is the best feeling handgun I own and points exactly where I want it to naturally and is the only handgun I have that does this. It is virtually unnoticed on my belt (weight wise) and has the best feeling paddle holster I have ever carried. I figure I will in time get a leather pancake style holster for it, only because I prefer leather. It came with the aforementioned paddle holster and a double mag pouch that has "Rails" to hold you gun light or anything else that you can mount on a picatinny rail. The gun comes with a single position picatinny rail as well. I of course, as indicated got the 45 and it is thinner, smaller overall, than my single stack Sig P225. The gun comes with two magazines, a flush fit 5 rounder and an extended 7 round with an installed extended "Filler" piece that slips over the magazine. It also comes with another backstrap and second extended magazine "Cover" along with the dual mag pouch. Through the 31st of October you (Via mail in rebate or on the Springfield website) get THREE additional magazines and another mag pouch. I am, so far, happy. I, based upon other folks satisfaction be happy with my purchase. PLUS getting an LE discount I think it was a really good buy, (at least I hope so). So if he made a mistake on the price, it's a mistake HE will have to eat, not me. I know this is old hat for most of you Dogs, but Man, at least so far I think it's a great little gun. Just what I was looking for! We'll see how things go after I put a couple three hundred rounds of full ball through it. UNLESS I change my mind I will be carrying Hornady Critical Duty Law Enforcement ammo or something from Cor-Bon. Posted By: gun dog ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 09/28/14 01:58 PM Randy that's a sweet gun! My mom has the xds9 I agree is a awesome gun for the money and I think you made an excellent investment. Only one thing to think about. My moms will not reliably function with hornady critical defence or critical duty. If you look there is two polished places that serve as a feed ramp. And of course this means it's and intrupted surface. The sharp edge by the poly tip of the round tends to catch there and jam the slide to the rear. Only way to fix it is to lock the slide back and reach in and push the round back in the mag and then remove the mag and offending round. This issues is do to the geometry of the round and that thin copper lip by the poly tip. As soon as we got her shooting traditional hollow points it stopped malfunctioning. Now I believe this may not be an issue with your and here is why. The 9mm round has a much shallower come shape to it and there for less surface geometry to ride up the feed ramp. The 45 is a more spherical shaped round with more surface to contact the feed ramp. BUT PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE THUROUGHLY TEST YOUR GUN WITH THESE ROUNDS BEFORE CARRYING. Posted By: El CacaFuego ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 09/28/14 04:17 PM Awesome score Randy! I traded my old XD in because it was too big for my nubby fingers, then they came out with the XDm, and I knew I would fall in love once I picked one up and handled it... someday, I will own another one As GD said, test it with whatever ammunition you intend to fire through it. My benchmark for reliability is 500 rounds without a stoppage due to ammunition. So far my Kimber is holding that standard. the only misfeeds are due to one of my Chip McKormick 10 rounders. If it proves it can't handle the task and starts having issues, then I won't carry it as a defensive firearm. If it malfunctions one time in 500, will that one time in 500 be when I need it the most? Posted By: RN ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 09/28/14 04:39 PM Nice buy Randy! Have to like the promo for extra mags and carrier! Posted By: SkunkHunter ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 09/28/14 06:36 PM I've heard really good things about the XD series of pistols. We've got at least two deputies that carry them, and MAYBE one more too. They all really like them and one of our reserve deputies carries one in 40cal as well. For 4 bills and a half, I ain't complaining. 1 shy of half a C note out the door. This guy is famous for giving military and LE discounts, Maybe I got both! Posted By: SkunkHunter ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 09/28/14 06:36 PM Either that or he made a mistake. Either way I win! Posted By: SkunkHunter ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 09/28/14 07:00 PM OK, here ya go just to prove it's real. First up a standing broadside shot with the extended mag in place. The off hand thumb MIGHT be moved to a different location. Patty snapped just a little to quickly. It's not a new hold, I just hadn't gotten all my fingers around it yet. Posted By: Andy the Aussie ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 09/28/14 10:07 PM Nice handgun...worst looking "model" holding it I have seen in an online advertisement is years though ..... Posted By: SkunkHunter ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 09/28/14 10:18 PM Yeah I told her that it's a wonder her camera didn't fail. How do they expect to sell any guns with an old fat white guy doing the advertising? Now if it was Arianny Celeste..... Posted By: SkunkHunter ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 09/28/14 10:24 PM Haha, looked her up didn't you. Couldn't resist could you. Posted By: SkunkHunter ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 09/28/14 10:24 PM Bet you'd buy a gun from her though. Posted By: gun dog ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 09/28/14 10:38 PM Lol I would if she had the right gun! Posted By: SkunkHunter ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 09/29/14 01:38 PM OK dogs, due to acquisition of a new boom stick, I find myself in need of some 45acp ammo. Ball would be fine. I just need some break in and familiarization stuff. Carry Ammo I should have covered. Since a lot of Y'all buy your ammo on line what would be a good source for a couple hundred rounds at a time say. Heck, would walmart even be a good inexpensive source? Posted By: El CacaFuego ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 09/29/14 10:57 PM Try here Randy, when they have it in stock, they usually have good deals. And they carry Wolf Gold in bulk, which is Wolf's Brass loading. It has a hard primer, but your XD ought to be able to digest it without issue. http://agsarmament.com/ Posted By: lazi ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 09/30/14 01:27 AM Nice snag Skunk! One of those type firearms I think everybody should have around. Posted By: gun dog ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 09/30/14 01:50 AM Yep I need one! Posted By: SkunkHunter ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 09/30/14 02:02 AM Well like I said, so far, I really like it. It feels good in my hand and the sights line up exactly on target for me when I bring it in line. It is a dream to carry and I actually forgot about having it on! We worked (did some sealing of cracks) on our church parking lot tonight and one of the deacons said he wishes I would wear it to church on Sundays and the pastor said he didn't have a problem with it. In Missouri the only thing necessary for someone to carry a handgun in church is for the pastor to OK it. Sooooo, I guess I'm good to go! Posted By: greaser ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 09/30/14 02:59 AM Nice piece Skunk I carry the double stack version and it eats everything I run through it. Posted By: SkunkHunter ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 09/30/14 03:19 AM GD said his mom's wouldn't feed the critical duty/defense Hornady ammo. I sure hope mine does. I like what I read about it. And on that, I am having problems staying awake. Nite dogs. Peace and rest to you and all those you care for. Keep your eyes and ears open. If you shoot, shoot fast and straight. Posted By: greaser ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 09/30/14 03:30 AM Night Skunk take care. Posted By: gun dog ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 09/30/14 10:43 AM I feel it's a good thing for a church to have carrying members. It's a good protection for all. Posted By: El CacaFuego ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 09/30/14 05:46 PM If the SuperChurch here in the springs had had some carrying members, that shooting wouldn't have been as bad, I suspect.. can't remember the name of the church off the top of my head, and I've lived here my entire life. Oh yeah, New Life Posted By: SkunkHunter ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 09/30/14 07:53 PM Most folks around here are pretty level headed when it comes to protecting what is yours. AND also looking out for those poor misguided souls that haven't got a clue. I am glad I live in the "Bible belt" (we live just 50 miles from the General Baptist World headquarters). Posted By: gun dog ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 09/30/14 09:30 PM Yep we are those conservatives that hold on to our bibles with one hand and our guns the other Skunk. And a Busse kin on our belt of course. Posted By: SkunkHunter ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 10/01/14 08:41 AM Originally Posted by gun dog Yep we are those conservatives that hold on to our bibles with one hand and our guns the other Skunk. And a Busse kin on our belt of course. And an Emerson in our pocket. Posted By: gun dog ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 10/01/14 10:42 AM I'm working on that. Got a spyderco co for that. Posted By: Andy the Aussie ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 10/01/14 09:40 PM Originally Posted by SkunkHunter Originally Posted by gun dog Yep we are those conservatives that hold on to our bibles with one hand and our guns the other Skunk. And a Busse kin on our belt of course. And an Emerson A100 in our pocket. ....fixed that up for you.... About THE BEST looking folding knife ever made if you ask me.... Posted By: gun dog ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 10/02/14 03:28 AM Emerson owners... Someday I will be one of you.. Posted By: El CacaFuego ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 10/02/14 03:57 AM I just picked up the Hogue Overmolded handgaurds for my SLR-106F. Swapped them for the aluminum rail I had on it before, and I swear it shaved about a lb off of the front end. I LOVE THESE RAILS! They're not solid enough for me to want to mount an optic, but with the Parabellum Armament rail, I don't have a need for the top rail on the Hogues, so that handgaurd went into the extra crap box. I'm still waiting on the new pistol grip to arrive from Israel, and the M4 Stock tube to arrive from Russia (it has until the 9th to be here in 30 days...), then I'll pick up my stock (still need one more research session, though. I want to feel each stock I had designs on in hand before I make my final decision), and I will FINALLY be at the point where the only things left to do require a competent gunsmith to finish. Then it begins... Posted By: SkunkHunter ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 10/02/14 05:53 AM I found this site (NZD Performance) that sells accessories, OK, Parts for guns. I think I might pimp my XDS a little. First off I want to get a couple grip extenders so my pinky will have some place to go when I am using the 5 round magazines. AND I also want to get a new rear slide cover plate. I'm thinking about getting the smiley face or maybe the Zombie Outbreak Response Team logo on it. Oh and I also need to get another mag holder. The leather one I have has a weak clip on it and the pouch comes off the belt when I grab the magazine. NOT a good thing! Posted By: Ray Settanta ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 10/02/14 01:30 PM You would need another magazine? Six rounds isn't enough? Ah, you were in the Air Force. Never mind. Posted By: gun dog ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 10/02/14 07:26 PM Careful he is a mod now Posted By: SkunkHunter ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 10/02/14 09:13 PM Originally Posted by Ray Settanta You would need another magazine? Six rounds isn't enough? Ah, you were in the Air Force. Never mind. Our NORMAL projectiles make a 12gauge look like a nerf gun! And YES, I am a mod. I don't like voting liberal. Posted By: gun dog ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 10/02/14 11:11 PM Hahahaha Posted By: SkunkHunter ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 10/03/14 05:16 AM Was looking through my stash of "Duty" ammo. Gee willikers Wally did I do good or what. I found ANOTHER 400 rounds of 22 rimfire, 200 rounds of 40cal, 100 rounds of 32acp and 150 of 380. Oh and did I mention I found another 225 rounds of 45acp. Yup, Cor-bon, Federal and Remington. Oh and about a half box of Winchester. Yeah, another big score. I've got my ammo stored in ammo boxes. Posted By: greaser ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 10/03/14 06:44 AM Lol can I come treasure hunting at your house skunk? Posted By: SkunkHunter ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 10/03/14 06:58 AM Haha, I think I have finally exhausted all the "Hiding" spots for the good stuff. Posted By: SkunkHunter ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 10/03/14 06:59 AM Hey Grease, have you seen the "Designer" slide back plates? I'm thinking about one with Marvin the Martian, smiley face or Zombie response team. Posted By: SkunkHunter ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 10/03/14 07:05 AM Patty has a TON of scrapbooking stuff if You're interested. Posted By: gun dog ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 10/03/14 02:51 PM I bet he is randy! Posted By: RN ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 10/04/14 02:24 PM Just got a CZ 75 BD, it's really the big brother to my CZ PCR Compact. Just put 150 rounds through it and wow! Accurate and light recoil! What a difference a longer barrel and sight radius make. Posted By: gun dog ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 10/04/14 11:11 PM Very cool! Posted By: SkunkHunter ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 10/05/14 07:00 AM WAY TO GO RICH, ya blood thirsty gun nut! Posted By: RN ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 10/05/14 11:10 AM Oh yeah! Posted By: SkunkHunter ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 10/05/14 11:14 AM Miracles DO happen! Posted By: SkunkHunter ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 10/05/14 11:15 AM Did you get the gig with the school? Posted By: RN ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 10/05/14 12:37 PM Not as yet. Interviewing with a couple and an insurance company. I can manage a bit longer not working- also may do some temp work as a social worker. Wifey says the decrease in stress has me much more relaxed. BTW, this CZ came with a dang nice trigger out of the box. I was looking for an SP-01, but had no luck and the price on the BD was too good to pass up. Posted By: SkunkHunter ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 10/05/14 07:30 PM My XDs has a smooth trigger pull but is to heavy. Probably closer to the 7 + pounds they talk about. But like I said it is smooth. Posted By: SkunkHunter ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 10/05/14 07:32 PM First one thing then another. 1. Got a new carry gun. 2. Got to select the ammo I am going to carry full time, Only have 22 rounds of Hydra Shock. 3. Now gotta look at holsters. The Generic old Strong leather pancake is OK, just well the new gun deserves something better. It's always something. Posted By: Spider-Pig ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 10/05/14 07:56 PM Ken Null makes some great leather holsters. Posted By: RN ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 10/05/14 07:58 PM Originally Posted by SkunkHunter First one thing then another. 1. Got a new carry gun. 2. Got to select the ammo I am going to carry full time, Only have 22 rounds of Hydra Shock. 3. Now gotta look at holsters. The Generic old Strong leather pancake is OK, just well the new gun deserves something better. It's always something. hah! Sounds familiar- I was on fleabay looking at holsters and think I'm going to pick up VZ grips too. Posted By: greaser ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 10/06/14 01:24 AM Originally Posted by SkunkHunter Hey Grease, have you seen the "Designer" slide back plates? I'm thinking about one with Marvin the Martian, smiley face or Zombie response team. I have seen them I thought about getting a punisher skull one for a while. Posted By: greaser ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 10/06/14 01:25 AM Originally Posted by SkunkHunter Patty has a TON of scrapbooking stuff if You're interested. Hmmmm my wife may want to take you up on that Ill just make off with some steel while she is looking. Posted By: greaser ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 10/06/14 01:26 AM Originally Posted by RN Just got a CZ 75 BD, it's really the big brother to my CZ PCR Compact. Just put 150 rounds through it and wow! Accurate and light recoil! What a difference a longer barrel and sight radius make. Very Nice, I have its polymer Turkish cousin and love it. Posted By: greaser ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 10/06/14 03:22 AM Originally Posted by SkunkHunter 3. Now gotta look at holsters. The Generic old Strong leather pancake is OK, just well the new gun deserves something better. It's always something. I love the inside the waist band hybrid holsters great concealability and retention while not hindering the draw speed. Posted By: SkunkHunter ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 10/06/14 11:51 PM I have found a couple that work IWB AND OWB. Posted By: El CacaFuego ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 10/07/14 02:29 AM Anybody have any suggestions for super slim 1911 Grips that will look good on a Kimber Desert Warrior? I was thinking something in FDE, since I always thought the tan grips on an FDE pistol looked kinda silly. I can't quite get my tiny nubs around the stock golfball grips, and the resultant bad trigger finger placement is throwing my shot groups significantly. Posted By: SkunkHunter ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 10/07/14 03:03 AM Sorry, but the standard or custom size ones always worked for me on the 1911. Posted By: Spider-Pig ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 10/07/14 03:17 AM I know there is a Nighthawk/Heinie slim frame 1911 with thin grips. I wonder if they would fit a standard frame. Posted By: Spider-Pig ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 10/07/14 04:43 PM I just placed an order with Bud's for a DPMS GII Hunter. I actually broke into a sweat when I let the mouse hover over the "confirm order" button too long. Does anyone else do that when they're about to make a large cash purchase? Posted By: Mastiff ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 10/07/14 05:04 PM I prefer to keep the little sweats to when the credit card bill comes in, and the big sweats, chills, and the "but, but, but" till my wife sees the credit card bill. Posted By: Spider-Pig ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 10/07/14 05:12 PM Mastiff, that last part is exactly why I broke into a sweat. I know what's coming. This was a cash purchase so the effects will be immediate. Posted By: greaser ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 10/07/14 05:20 PM Check vz grips for great 1911 grips of all kinds. Those dpms GII are sweet I want the recon bad. Posted By: El CacaFuego ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 10/07/14 06:47 PM Thanks for the help fellas! Now I just have to figure out what I want, lol Posted By: gun dog ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 10/07/14 08:43 PM Yep happens every time SP Posted By: SkunkHunter ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 10/08/14 05:03 AM Originally Posted by Spider-Pig I just placed an order with Bud's for a DPMS GII Hunter. I actually broke into a sweat when I let the mouse hover over the "confirm order" button too long. Does anyone else do that when they're about to make a large cash purchase? YUP, been there done that, more than once. It's always the same until it's done. Oh and not just for cash purchases. Posted By: gun dog ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 10/08/14 08:54 PM Cards are the worst. Posted By: SkunkHunter ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 10/09/14 05:06 AM I am sure that many of you fans of things that go boom already know, But I found it interesting that the XDs (at least) was made in Croatia. AND the paddle holster and I am sure the double mag pouch was made in Israel. For some reason I kind of like that. Oh and I watched a video of a guy that "Colored" in the roll markings on his XD with white paint. Man did it look pretty. He just thinned down some GOOD craft paint and dabbed it on with a needle so it would run down into all the nooks and crannies, let it dry for an hour and wiped off the excess with a Hoppe's No. 9 saturated cloth. Posted By: El CacaFuego ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 10/09/14 04:35 PM that sounds interesting. for some reason, I saw it in blue... Posted By: Spider-Pig ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 10/09/14 04:45 PM Spikes Tactical has someone in house that does that to many of their lowers. Some of them look pretty good! Posted By: greaser ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 10/10/14 06:43 AM I have done a few lowers like that and it does come out pretty cool I am waiting to duracoat my current lower then color fill it with contrasting camo colors. Posted By: gun dog ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 10/10/14 06:56 PM Cool. Might have to color fill my war sport lower's selector markings Posted By: MonkeyBomb ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 10/12/14 06:44 AM Finally broke down and finished my last AR build. BCM had a deal I couldn't pass up on a 16" mid length upper. This was exactly what I wanted for about 550 less than I planned on. Posted By: SkunkHunter ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 10/12/14 06:53 AM WAY COOL MB. Posted By: El CacaFuego ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 10/12/14 05:19 PM Nice! I love finding just the right deal at the right time Posted By: greaser ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 10/13/14 03:44 AM Very nice MB how about some pics? Posted By: gun dog ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 10/13/14 08:12 PM Pics! Posted By: MonkeyBomb ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 10/14/14 06:53 PM LOL, It's still on its way. It should be here Thursday. The remaining parts I ordered should be here Saturday. Now to decide on which sling to put on. I am going away from my old 3 points. Pics will come when I have it put together. Posted By: gun dog ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 10/14/14 08:12 PM I really like my tactical interventions sling. Posted By: greaser ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 10/14/14 09:07 PM I am sold on single point slings now and forever on a tactical weapon. Posted By: greaser ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 10/14/14 09:07 PM PS I got these in the mail today. Posted By: SkunkHunter ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 10/14/14 11:53 PM OUCH! Even MY bank account is hurting! Posted By: greaser ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 10/15/14 12:27 AM Lol it is a bit of a group purchase. Posted By: Spider-Pig ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 10/15/14 12:34 AM I recently bought one Magpul 10 round 7.62x51 PMAG. Posted By: SkunkHunter ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 10/15/14 12:54 AM GOOD NEWS. Springfield Armory notified me by email that my Promotional mags and carrier have been shipped! I HOPE it's two 7 rounders and one five along with the mag pouch, but I'll take what ever they send. I mean it's free! Posted By: SkunkHunter ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 10/15/14 12:55 AM OK, so it's NOT free, I had to buy the gun. But hey, I was gonna buy one anyway. Posted By: Spider-Pig ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 10/15/14 01:03 AM Things like that make me want to vote with the donkeys. I mean, who doesn't like free?!! Congratulations, Randy! Posted By: Spider-Pig ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 10/15/14 01:20 AM The rifle I ordered just shipped and is scheduled to be delivered this Friday. I'll be working all weekend so I won't be able to pick it up until the following Tuesday. I was hoping it would be delivered this Thursday but it looks like I'll have to wait a few more days. Now I need to decide on the scope that will go on it. Posted By: SkunkHunter ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 10/15/14 02:14 AM Waiting is VERY difficult Adam, as we all know. BUT it's worth it! Posted By: gun dog ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 10/15/14 03:02 PM Vortex is hard to beat for the money Posted By: greaser ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 10/15/14 05:00 PM I agree with GD on the scope. Nice Skunk when my father bought his SA 1911 it came with a deal to buy a bunch of mags at cost we bought a lot for both of us. LOL Spidey I am hoping that by next spring I will need a few of the 7.62 pmags as well. I really want the DPMS G2 recon. Posted By: MonkeyBomb ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 10/15/14 05:03 PM I decided on a Viking VTAC sling but I am going against the grain and using an HK style clip for the muzzle end and wrapping the stock on the rear. I am leary of the QD setups. I don't like the single point s except for a very specific set of circumstances. They beat up your crotch too much for the majority of what I do. Posted By: greaser ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 10/15/14 05:10 PM I always dropped mine to the side to avoid crotch slap. I do like Vikings slings though very well thought out and they seem to be made well. Posted By: MonkeyBomb ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 10/15/14 05:27 PM I like a single point in a vehicle with an SBR and/or if I am going in to clear a building and coming right out. For longer affairs I currently use a 3 point but at times its like trying to fight an Octopus. I hear good things about the VTAC. Posted By: greaser ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 10/15/14 06:21 PM Being an engineer 90% of my operations where mounted so that may be where my affinity for the single point comes from. Posted By: MonkeyBomb ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 10/15/14 06:51 PM Right after 9/11 I was tasked with securing a large vital facility. On the first 12 hour shift I decided I was going to use a nice single point. Most was walking stairs and catwalks. By the end of the day I was tired and it felt like the boys had gone a full round with Tyson. LOL, It was miserable. I chose poorly Posted By: gun dog ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 10/15/14 09:38 PM Yeah agreed three points are clumsy and single point is really only handy for CQB & mounted work. Posted By: El CacaFuego ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 10/15/14 11:42 PM I use the Magpul MS3 sling on my tactical rifles. I love being able to switch back and forth between single and two point rapidly. I sewed a single point sling into something similiar a while back.. someone from Magpul must have seen my idea... Posted By: MonkeyBomb ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 10/16/14 06:32 AM I just couldn't warm up to the Magpul. I wanted to like it but I couldn't. I can put a simple clip on a VTAC to do the same or clip the front to the ASAP plate. One of my friends stopped by the office and brought in a load of slings that he uses and I am pretty sure I made the right choice. The VTAC then VCAS for my needs. I will be waiting at the mailbox like a kid at Christmas for the rest of the week until everything gets in. Posted By: Andy the Aussie ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 10/16/14 09:17 AM Anyone use GG&G rings ?? http://www.gggaz.com/30mm-sniper-grade-scope-rings.html Looking at a set to mount my MKIV on the SSG but know nothing about them. I can't get MKIV Leupold rings here at the moment Posted By: gun dog ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 10/16/14 10:35 AM They have a good reputation as a company but I've never used them. Posted By: greaser ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 10/16/14 06:26 PM No idea on them but [censored] for that price they better be good. Posted By: Spider-Pig ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 10/16/14 08:08 PM Originally Posted by gun dog Vortex is hard to beat for the money Yes, I've been looking at the Viper HS. Posted By: MonkeyBomb ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 10/16/14 10:17 PM Got the upper in. I did have to switch out bolt carriers. I forgot this was the old AWB Colt receiver so I just traded carriers out from the H-Bar Upper and kept the BCM Bolt. I have a few things still coming in but I'm keeping this one simple. Posted By: greaser ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 10/16/14 10:31 PM Very nice MB. I keep trying to decide on a red dot it is driving me crazy, how do you like the eotech? Posted By: MonkeyBomb ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 10/16/14 10:36 PM The aren't bad. Its a trade off between that and the Aimpoint. I really like the T-1 micro as well. I got a very good deal on that one a few years ago. 369 and we use the same model at work so I'm used to them. The t1 is around 600 bones. Posted By: MonkeyBomb ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 10/16/14 10:42 PM If I was going aimpoint Bang for the buck I would go for the patrol optic though. About 426. So its a really hard to choose. Aimpoints are easier to use because they don't have a tube and seeing the 65moa ring is cake with both eyes open and no tube. Aimpoint has crazy long battery life though and are generally tougher units. Eotechs you just have to keep spare batteries and check them every few months. No a big deal for me since the use 2 AA batteries. There isn't enough on the Aimpoint side to make me part with that much money to switch from what I already have. Posted By: greaser ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 10/16/14 11:11 PM See I really like the AA and the savings as well but then I hear about how much better the aimpoint is overall and don't even get me started on the Trijicons lol Posted By: greaser ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 10/16/14 11:21 PM I can get the Eotech for 350, the patrol for 375, and the Trijicon reflex for 377 for the 24mm and 450 for the 42mm . So money wise the Eotech is the best deal but not by much. If I won the lottery I would love to get an Elcan. https://dsgarms.com/atidfov14-t1-2 Posted By: MonkeyBomb ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 10/16/14 11:55 PM A patrol for 375 is a great deal. Are they AA? If so that would be the way I would lean if I didn't already have one. Posted By: greaser ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 10/17/14 02:10 AM Unfortunately it takes a little button battery at 7 bucks a pop. Posted By: MonkeyBomb ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 10/17/14 02:18 AM Price wise they still beat Eotechs for battery life. Eotech beats them with availability though. You can get AA everywhere. Odd as it is all my flashlights are either rechargeable or CR23's. I finally gave up and started buying in bulk. Posted By: greaser ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 10/17/14 02:27 AM That is where the trouble comes in easy to find batteries needed more often or hard to find ones that last a long time or trijicon with no batteries. Posted By: MonkeyBomb ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 10/17/14 02:49 AM LOL, that's why the two are so danged hard to decide between. I need to be sponsored by Aimpoint. I'm not sure what I have to offer them though. Posted By: greaser ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 10/17/14 02:52 AM Tell them you have lots of influential friends, I am pretty dang influential if I do say so myself. Lol Posted By: rth548 ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 10/17/14 06:51 AM I just laid away a neat little gun at the local pawn shop. It's a Norinco copy of the Browning ATD .22 semi-auto. I've lusted after the Browning for years, but I just can't pay 700 or so for a .22 lr. I picked up the Norinco for 150. I didn't have the cash to get it, so I took out what I had in my wallet and laid it away til I can get back to pick it up. I can't wait to give it a whirl. Posted By: Spider-Pig ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 10/17/14 01:12 PM Nice, Todd! I have one of those Brownings. It belonged to my Dad and I've had it since he passed in '92. I can remember sometime in the late '80s him saying "I paid 30 for it 30 years ago." Many a ground squirrel fell victim to that wonderful little rifle. Posted By: Spider-Pig ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 10/17/14 03:47 PM Well, I think I've decided to go with the Vortex Viper HS 2.5-10x44mm for my DPMS GII Hunter. I considered a 50mm objective but decided it was overkill for my needs. I think 44mm is borderline overkill. Now all that is left is to decide what mount/rings are needed. Posted By: greaser ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 10/17/14 04:12 PM Nice Todd those are sexy little guns. I think you will be happy with that decision Spidey very good quality for the price and a great warranty as well. Posted By: gun dog ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 10/17/14 05:44 PM I went aimpoint PRO. I'm ok with it but if fund were available I'd get trijicon or the t1 Posted By: greaser ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 10/17/14 10:54 PM Now I am leaning more towards a 1x4 illuminated. I am going to give myself an aneurism. Posted By: greaser ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 10/18/14 12:17 AM Pulled the trigger on the Bushnell 1-4x24 it is serviceable and if I hate it Bushnell will buy it back. http://www.bushnell.com/all-products/rifle-scopes/ar-optics/1-4x-24mm-throw-down-pcl I don't want to throw down 500 bucks and find out I hate it so this will be a good start then upgrade or get rid of it. Posted By: gun dog ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 10/18/14 12:24 AM Looking forward to the review Posted By: MonkeyBomb ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 10/18/14 01:14 AM Let me know how you like that Greaser. I have an in at leupold and have been debating getting a similar one from them. I haven't used a 24mm optic since I was a kid and had one on an old Marlin Model 60. They intrigue me. Posted By: Spider-Pig ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 10/18/14 02:55 AM Greaser, I just picked up my GII and my initial impressions are favorable. Really neat design. The action is very stiff, even for a new AR. I'm hopeful it will loosen up after some range time. The trigger isn't too bad for a factory single stage. Also, my calibrated eyeball says a Magpul BAD Lever will not work on this rifle. The bolt release doesn't quite line up. I didn't actually try the BAD lever so I could be wrong. Oh, I just decided I don't like ambidextrous AR safties. That's it for now. Any questions float 'em my way. Posted By: Spider-Pig ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 10/18/14 03:11 AM Sorry for the bathroom yellow lighting pic, but it's the best I could do at 2200. The DPMS GII Hunter is in the middle. I think it might actually be a bit lighter than the AR-15 above it, but that one has a heavy FN barrel on it. Anyway, I already have a Magpul MOE to swap for that Hogue. Next is a Vortex Viper HS scope. Posted By: Spider-Pig ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 10/18/14 03:26 AM I will say having one of these in the Recon configuration would have me truly excited. But, as always, there are some things I would want to change to free up some weight. Posted By: MonkeyBomb ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 10/18/14 03:37 AM I want a 308 AR. It just keeps getting bumped down on the priority list. My next firearm will probably be the Glock single stack 9mm if they release it in 2015. Posted By: greaser ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 10/18/14 03:56 AM Very nice set Spidey I can't wait to hear your shooting impressions, the recon will be my next firearm after I pay off my new trap gun. I will definitely let you guys know how the 1-4 experiment goes. Oh and yeah it seems like there is something that always needs changed isn't there. Not a fan of single stacks but of course I do own one, a ruger lcp for shorts and a t shirt weather its better than nothing. Posted By: MonkeyBomb ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 10/18/14 04:04 AM I have an LCP. It's a love hate relationship. That's why I want the Glock 9 single stack. I want real sights and a better trigger. I use it for shorts weather and a BUG at work. I loathe the non sights and trigger on the LCP. Posted By: greaser ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 10/18/14 04:27 AM Lol yeah the no sights rubbed me wrong so I painted them up and they are at least there now, the trigger never bothered me but I got mine used and I think they had the trigger worked on because I have tried my mothers lc9 and hers is much worse. Posted By: greaser ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 10/18/14 04:25 PM Pics of the strikefire on the 1919. It looks pretty good on there now to get the collapsible butt stock and better fore grip. Posted By: greaser ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 10/18/14 04:53 PM Just ordered the parts to turn it into this. Posted By: gun dog ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 10/19/14 01:18 PM Looking cool greaser! Posted By: greaser ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 10/19/14 05:57 PM Thanks and a lot more ergonomic. Posted By: MonkeyBomb ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 10/19/14 06:21 PM Greaser, I'm not familiar with the 1919. Tell me about it. I'm a gun junkie. Need ma'fix Posted By: gun dog ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 10/19/14 08:47 PM Is it worth the time and resources to make your own vacuum sealed battle packs? Posted By: greaser ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 10/19/14 11:04 PM MB it is a 12 gauge shot gun with a copied remington 1100 action hidden in an AR style operating system. I am loving it so far with over 500 rounds through it, it seems to be holding up perfectly. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akdal_MKA_1919 Posted By: greaser ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 10/19/14 11:05 PM I would say unless you are going to fight in the salt water no on the battle packs GD. Posted By: gun dog ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 10/20/14 01:27 AM managed to stash a lot if 22 and was trying to think of the best way to store it. Finally got all the parts ordered to finish the AR build. Posted By: DogTired ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 10/20/14 01:46 AM Three lowers, no uppers to put on them. Thinking of an 18" stainless 1:8 twist free floated quad rail for coyotes ground hogs, and the ability to run bigger bullets for hogs or deer if it came to that...and if deer laws changed...), a 300 BLK to one day run supressed, and either a 16" stainless wylde for fun, or a 6.8 SPC II for deer (although not sure I really NEED another hunting round...). Thought? As for handguns, looking at the Sig P980 or XdSC 9mm. Would also love to add in an SP2022 someday to the line up. That and a snub nosed 38 should make the collection complete... ish... Still craving a full sized 1911... Posted By: DogTired ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 10/20/14 01:48 AM Was looking at the PSA Freedom uppers, but really want something free floating at the end of the day, I think. Posted By: gun dog ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 10/20/14 02:34 AM Are you up to building your own uppers? I know BCM tends to run good sales on uppers Posted By: DogTired ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 10/20/14 03:01 AM Dunno. Seems cheaper to get one already assembled with the parts I want than to build it myself. Posted By: greaser ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 10/20/14 04:25 AM My next built AR will be 7.62x40WT best of all worlds or at least as close as you can get. Posted By: MonkeyBomb ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 10/20/14 08:04 AM I will vouch for BCM. I built all my lowers and happened to find a BCM upper cheaper than I could build it. So I went that route. Very happy with the fit finish and quality. PSA has a bad rep for customer service and slow ship times. For a plinker or hunting upper I wouldn't shy from a PSA. Sheer quality, reliability and resale BCM all day long. Posted By: gun dog ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 10/20/14 10:38 AM Yep if you can find what you want cheaper than you can build then go for it. I'm kinda picky so for my AR I went with a war sport Colette lower and then decided to build from there. Posted By: MonkeyBomb ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 10/20/14 03:33 PM I am partial to BCM. They are one of the best built AR's on the market right now. The upper I bought from them was the same as filthy 14. Thats the AR Pat Rodgers torture tested by not cleaning it and I They shot around 40,000 rds with one cleaning after about 26,000 rounds. Just lube. Pats a really good guy and I trust him. The upper is the heart of an AR. That's where the magic happens. While I prefer a high quality lower the truth is there are only 3 or 4 mass manufacturers. Mnay different names are engraved on the same lowers. With a little research you can find who makes what. Mil Spec is Mil Spec. Posted By: Andy the Aussie ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 10/20/14 08:58 PM I just collected a Lee "Factory Crimp" die for my .375H&H loading. I hope it will allow me to get a workable hold on those big Woodleigh projectiles that I can't seem to manage with a standard RCBS seat die. Never been a fan of the crimp die but I was getting a bit frustrated with the rest. I will load a few up on the weekend and see how it goes. Posted By: greaser ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 10/20/14 09:55 PM From what I hear Andy, that is exactly what they are best at. Hope they help. Posted By: gun dog ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 10/21/14 01:20 AM So does a domed or domed with bearings roller cam pin on a AR BCG really offer any advantages? Posted By: DogTired ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 10/21/14 02:34 AM Any thoughts on AR pistols? Thinking 300 BLK or 7.62 x 39 for deer hunting out to 100 yards. Posted By: greaser ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 10/21/14 03:32 AM Originally Posted by DogTired Any thoughts on AR pistols? Thinking 300 BLK or 7.62 x 39 for deer hunting out to 100 yards. I think they both would loose to much energy at that range but I know for a fact (and no I don't work for Wilson) that the 7.62x40WT was designed to carry more energy out of short barrel weapons than the 300 black out and the 7.62x39. Posted By: greaser ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 10/21/14 03:34 AM Originally Posted by gun dog So does a domed or domed with bearings roller cam pin on a AR BCG really offer any advantages? I am sure it soothes it out a bit but it really seams to be a gimmick that will add more cleaning maint. and another hard to find part to replace if you do have issues. Of course I am running a propriety piston driven upper so I guess I shouldn't talk about hard to find parts. LOL Posted By: gun dog ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 10/21/14 10:39 AM lol well it's more intricate parts but you can always swap back. Idk saw it on Rainier Arms Facebook page and was just wondering. What piston system are you running? Posted By: MonkeyBomb ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 10/21/14 04:47 PM Andy, I have always wanted a 375 H&H. I have no idea why but I want one in a bad way. I have no practical use for it but that is a sweet round with some history behind it. The biggest animal I hunt is Elk and I do that with a bow. Posted By: greaser ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 10/21/14 05:21 PM Originally Posted by gun dog lol well it's more intricate parts but you can always swap back. Idk saw it on Rainier Arms Facebook page and was just wondering. What piston system are you running? I run the Adams Arms mid length set up and have been more than happy. The only issue i have with it is it did not cycle steel ammo reliably. Which I hear will clear up after break in but being a reloader I hate using steel as it ends up costing me more because of the lack of reloadable brass. Posted By: DogTired ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 10/21/14 05:24 PM I have a 300 H&H. Not as big, but more than enough for anything in NA, SA, Australia, Europe, Antarctica, Asia and most of Africa. It'll put a hurt on ya. I had that same love affair with the 45-70: it won't kill things deader than a 30-06 or anything else I have, but I couldn't rest until I had one or two. Starting to feel that way about the 300 BLK now... Posted By: MonkeyBomb ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 10/21/14 05:31 PM I love my 45/70. My old Guide Gun is probably my favorite rifle. I don't use it often but I absolutely love the way that thing handles and feels. The 405 grain projectile is kind of nifty as well Fixed your emoticon MB. Posted By: DogTired ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 10/21/14 05:31 PM Now that I have a 45-70, I find that it DOES kill things deader than anthying else except maybe the 300 H&H... I guess the moral is: MB, you NEED to get a 375 pronto! Clearly there is a reason you are being prompted to get one. Perhaps an angry rhinoceros is only days away from attacking your home! Posted By: MonkeyBomb ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 10/21/14 05:34 PM LOL, I had the most impressive looking drop I have ever seen on a wild hog that was charging me. I put a 405 grainer in his left ear and dropped him at about 10 feet as he turned off. That thing went down with authority then slid several feet. I'm sure some of it had to do with how he was turning when I hit him but he went airborne and slid. I was just glad there was a witness or no one would have believed me. Posted By: DogTired ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 10/21/14 05:34 PM My Guide Gun usually takes at least one or two deer each season now. It's on regular rotation with the two 25-06s, the bolt 30-06, and the Marlin 30-30 XLR. Makes me think I could probably sell off the rest if the rifles... Nah, that's a silly thought... Posted By: DogTired ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 10/21/14 05:36 PM I shoot Leverevolutions in my Guide Gun. Clover leaves at 100 yards. Never have to track an animal that gets hit, regardless of where I hit it... Posted By: MonkeyBomb ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 10/21/14 05:36 PM I won't sell any of mine if there is any other option. I sold a bunch to get a down payment for my first house. I still regret selling several of those. Posted By: MonkeyBomb ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 10/21/14 05:38 PM I just shoot the rem express 405 and 350's. ABout the only time it goes in the filed is if I travel to Texas to take some feral hogs. When I get too old to pull back a bow it may go into the rotation for Elk. Posted By: DogTired ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 10/21/14 05:40 PM Yeah, not a fan of selling guns. Been a couple of handguns I had no issue selling off, but rifles seem different. Knives I can more easily part with for some reason. Problem is I'm running out of room in the safe... What about the 458 SOCOM? Posted By: MonkeyBomb ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 10/21/14 05:42 PM I know a few people who have built them and like them for hogs. I have never played around with one though. If I lived someplace where hogs were a problem I might have one. Posted By: DogTired ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 10/21/14 05:43 PM Someday I'd love to hunt other big game besides whitetail. A few more years and hogs will be in the area. Elk may be in before I can no longer hunt. Black bear are more numerous, but still fairly rare for this area.... Posted By: MonkeyBomb ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 10/21/14 05:43 PM I want a 300 BLK but I am leary of adding another caliber and then I would be mandated to get a suppressor for it. That's what it was designed for Posted By: DogTired ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 10/21/14 05:44 PM What's the range on a SOCOM? Built on the same lower as a 223 or is it a different size action? Posted By: MonkeyBomb ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 10/21/14 05:45 PM I am lucky. We have nearly everything but grizzy and hogs. Occasionally you hear of the rare/odd grizz sighting that's real. Whitetails are here but not where I hunt. Posted By: MonkeyBomb ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 10/21/14 05:46 PM From what I'm told its the same lower as a 5.56/223. Posted By: DogTired ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 10/21/14 05:47 PM Don't think of the 300 BLK as a difft round, think of it as a Recycling gun. You can reuse 223 brass that's split the necks and 308 bullets you have lying around. Posted By: MonkeyBomb ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 10/21/14 05:47 PM I love to hunt but don't as much time as I would liek since we moved to the city. I will get the occasional out of state hunt but its always to a public land or a private property that wants hogs gone. Posted By: DogTired ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 10/21/14 05:58 PM Public land around here is dangerous and less than optimally productive. I spend time knocking on doors to make sure we have private land to hunt. Posted By: MonkeyBomb ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 10/21/14 06:30 PM LOL, That's why I bow hunt here. Plus we have 1.6 million acres of public land that starts right at the city limits. You can get in the back country during bow season and not see anyone depending on where you go. Rifle season.........not so much. Posted By: DogTired ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 10/21/14 06:51 PM ALMOST pulled the trigger on a 10.5" 300 BLK pistol upper for about 250 shipped. figured I'd better have a pistol lower on hand first though, lest the gov accuse me of intent to build an unregistered SBR. Dang it was a good deal though! Posted By: DogTired ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 10/21/14 07:03 PM I need about 2-3k to get all my uppers and lowers in a row. Anyone wanna contribute to the "DTDBGB Campaign," or the "DogTired Dream Black Guns Bonanza Campaign?" Something says my wife won't appreciate my spending all that on more "toys." For uppers, I "need" an 18" stainless 1:8 wylde, a 16" 300BLK, a 6.8 SPC, a 16" stainless 1:9 wylde, and a 10.5" 300 BLK. Then I need a pistol lower and a Sig arm brace. I suppose I'll also "need" nickel boron BCGs for everything.... Of course, then I'll ALSO "need" optics for everything... The 458 SOCOM can wait a year I'd like to get all this stuff before the next "incident" sends prices through the roof again. We're looking at dang good prices on all this stuff right now. Posted By: greaser ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 10/22/14 12:40 AM Originally Posted by DogTired Don't think of the 300 BLK as a difft round, think of it as a Recycling gun. You can reuse 223 brass that's split the necks and 308 bullets you have lying around. This is why I want the 7.62x40wt. Posted By: greaser ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 10/22/14 12:42 AM Originally Posted by DogTired ALMOST pulled the trigger on a 10.5" 300 BLK pistol upper for about 250 shipped. figured I'd better have a pistol lower on hand first though, lest the gov accuse me of intent to build an unregistered SBR. Dang it was a good deal though! Wow I would have jumped on that anyways. Posted By: greaser ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 10/22/14 12:44 AM Check out the new sharps BCG and reliabolt it seems like a steel right now. Posted By: Andy the Aussie ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 10/22/14 12:56 AM Not much out here that "needs" the .375, Asiatic Buffalo, Bantang and Scrub Bulls are about it. I have hunted buff with my .300Win but it was not the most comfortable feeling doing so. The .375 is also a great Sambar rifle but the .300 works well too. There is something truly SPECTACULAR about busting hogs with the .375 !!!!!!!! That said earlier in the year I was hunting bunnies with it as well (I work on the theory if I am confident snap shooting rabbits as I was through the bush I should be able to hit a Cape Buffalo OK). Posted By: gun dog ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 10/22/14 02:00 AM Can you send me a link greaser? Posted By: greaser ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 10/22/14 03:37 AM Posted By: MonkeyBomb ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 10/22/14 08:09 AM DT if you have an unbuilt lower just put a pistol buffer and you are GTG. It doesn't have to be marked as a pistol. You just can't have a stock on it or should it have ever had a stock on it. Posted By: gun dog ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 10/22/14 10:41 AM Seems like AR pistols are a massive gray area... So you can convert a rifle lower to a pistol legal configuration? Or pistol to legal rifle? They don't start life as just one and stay just one? And really who checks every serial number in your safe to keep folks legit? Can you own a pistol upper before you own a pistol lower? What separates a SBR upper from a pistol upper? Posted By: Ray Settanta ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 10/22/14 03:12 PM There really is not a gray area. ATF has put out several documents concerning AR lowers. When I checked last year, the following was legal to do. I don't know if anything has changed since then. Check their website to be sure. If you start with a lower that has never been made into a firearm, you can make it into either a rifle or a pistol. If you make a rifle, it has to stay a rifle. You cannot convert it into a pistol in the future. If you first make it into a pistol, you can convert it back and forth to a rifle and back into a pistol as many times as you want. According to the ATF, the lower does not have to be marked "pistol" in order to be in the pistol mode. State laws may add some other regulations. Such as, California has many regulations about AR rifles that are not Federal regulations. Posted By: Ray Settanta ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 10/22/14 03:29 PM I found that it is against federal law to have a pistol upper in your possession unless you also have a pistol lower. If you do not own any stocked lowers or AR rifles, then you can possess just the pistol upper. Having a pistol upper and lowers with stocks on them means you are in possession of an SBR. SBR stands for short barreled rifle. You are in violation of federal law if you possess a SBR without a tax stamp. There is no difference between a SBR upper and a pistol upper. If the barrel length is under 16", then the upper is either a SBR or pistol upper. If it is on a lower that has a stock, then you have a SBR. If it on a lower that has the pistol buffer tube, then you have a pistol. You can have a pistol upper and stocked lowers in your possession as long as you have a lower with a pistol buffer tube also. Posted By: Ray Settanta ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 10/22/14 03:37 PM Also, concerning serial numbers. The serial number on a stripped lower does not indicate if it is a pistol or a rifle. When you buy it from a FFL, the ATF form 4473 that you fill out will list the lower as "other" because it is not a rifle or a pistol but is a receiver. Posted By: MonkeyBomb ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 10/22/14 04:05 PM Ray pretty much nailed it. The only thing I have heard differently is that once you convert a pistol to a rifle it is always a rifle and if you have a barrel shorter than 16 inches overall it is now an SBR. But an unfinished lower is neither a rifle or a pistol. I wouldn't own an upper than is shorter than rifle length without a pistol lower. That's a recipe for disaster. When you purchase a lower from an FFL you can have them mark it as a pistol if you choose. I wished I had known that when I bought my lower. I paid way too much to have a pistol marked lower. I could have saved about 100 bucks. On the lower. Heck right now they have bushy lowers for under 50 bucks. If my go to FFL hadn't gone under I would buy a couple more. Posted By: Ray Settanta ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 10/22/14 04:46 PM I found documentation on the ATF website that said that if the lower was built originally as a pistol, it can be changed back and forth from pistol to rifle and back again. I am confused by what you said about having the FFL mark the lower as a pistol if you choose. Did you mean engraving "pistol" on the lower or checking off the pistol box on the ATF form 4473? Posted By: MonkeyBomb ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 10/22/14 05:21 PM I am talking about the form 4473. Some people are more comfortable by having that done but I'm not sure it makes a difference. Do you have a link or PDF from the ATF document? Everything I have ever seen says once its a rifle its always a rifle. They ahd some problems with pistols sold with longer barrels and stocks claiming that once the stock was put on it was now a rifle and if it was coverts back to a pistol it was now considered an SBR. It would be great if I was wrong. The make or used to some great conversion carbine kits for 1911's and Glocks. Posted By: gun dog ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 10/22/14 07:17 PM Some clarification Posted By: greaser ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 10/22/14 08:05 PM My newest setup for the piston AR. Posted By: gun dog ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 10/22/14 08:29 PM What front sight is that. Posted By: Ray Settanta ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 10/22/14 10:22 PM Here is the link to ATF concerning pistols. ATF Posted By: greaser ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 10/22/14 10:32 PM They are 45 deg off set buis GD. Here is a link, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4GZEdtJ_LgA Mine are a different brand but he does a good explanation of why to use them. Posted By: greaser ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 10/22/14 10:33 PM Thanks Ray good to see it in writing I will be printing this off and saving a copy of it. Posted By: greaser ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 10/22/14 10:34 PM This afternoons project a little fiddly with the hand fitting but isn't everything gun smithing. LOL Posted By: MonkeyBomb ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 10/22/14 10:41 PM Looking Good Greaser! Posted By: greaser ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 10/22/14 11:06 PM Thanks MB its getting there I hope to have it ready by next Wednesday so I can go site in the vortex on it. Posted By: MonkeyBomb ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 10/22/14 11:22 PM I finally have my carbine put together. I am pretty happy with it so far and the only thing I have done is moved the flashlight forward a bit. I looked at the overall cost and with everything on it I came in way under what it would have normally cost me to outfit it. Granted it was around a 4 year process but it was worth it. Posted By: RN ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 10/23/14 12:03 AM Sweet! Posted By: greaser ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 10/23/14 12:11 AM Looking good MB, have you thought about getting a pressure switch for the light or do you run your thumb high? Posted By: MonkeyBomb ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 10/23/14 12:32 AM I run my thumb high. It has dual switches. 520 lumen and a heck of a strobe on it. Posted By: MonkeyBomb ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 10/23/14 01:01 AM Ray, thanks for the link! Posted By: gun dog ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 10/23/14 01:15 AM Hey I just ordered that same mount and it's at my folks waiting for me to get it tomorrow along with some pmags. AAC blackout flashider, magpul AFG, vltor MUR, and some other odds and ends. MB how do you like the mount and what light are you running? Posted By: MonkeyBomb ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 10/23/14 01:23 AM The light is a Terra Lux TT-4. I got it for a song a while back. Dual switches and 520 lumen. It needed a place on a rifle. I like the mount. The TT has way to many cool looking bands and bumps. I have probably reset the light 8-10 times before It sat level with the barrel and far enough forward for me. I like the way it sets. It keeps the light forward of the barrel and sight and far enough offset to no interfere with the Holo sight. It's a keeper. I was planning on getting the single set Sure fire G2 320 lumen but I just had the TT-4 as a spare in my work bag. So I save some money and its a perfect light for the setup. My biggest concern is hitting a mirror or shiny surface and blinding myself for a bit during a search. That sucker is bright. Posted By: gun dog ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 10/23/14 01:39 AM Yeah it sure could. I'm debating between a surefire single mode or not. I'm looking for 200 lumens or more and the new fury lights put it out!!! Posted By: MonkeyBomb ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 10/23/14 01:55 AM You can find the Sure fire 320 lumen G2X for 56 bucks and its a solid weapons light. Posted By: gun dog ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 10/23/14 02:51 AM I have the older LED model on a mp15-22 works well for varmints. But I want to make sure I have enough punch. They are a good deal! Posted By: gun dog ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 10/23/14 02:57 AM I'm thinking a g2x tactical in FG would match this rifle build nicely! Where do you suggest lookin? Posted By: MonkeyBomb ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 10/23/14 03:09 AM Amazon. They have pretty much any color other than black cheaper right now. Posted By: greaser ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 10/23/14 04:05 AM I am a fan of the fenix lights as well when I decide to put on on Tue shotgun it will be a fenix. Posted By: gun dog ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 10/23/14 10:41 AM I looked but I didn't see any single or dual mode light of the right DIA. And on a weapon light I don't want to have to cycle through more than two light modes. I don't want to accidentally light myself up or leave it on to long. Posted By: MonkeyBomb ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 10/23/14 02:40 PM I'll shoot you a PM. Posted By: gun dog ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 10/23/14 03:07 PM Thanks! Posted By: greaser ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 10/23/14 04:08 PM If the surefire doesn't work out for you this has been my duty light for 5 years now and it is still going strong it has setting memory and a separate setting button which I love. http://www.fenixlighting.com/products/fenix-flashlights-tk15.aspx Posted By: MonkeyBomb ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 10/23/14 04:43 PM I have heard many good things about the Fenix lights. I'm just a cheap SOB who still demands quality. LOL, probably why I like the price to performance at the yard Posted By: greaser ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 10/23/14 05:20 PM OK so now I need is for my milspec buffer tube to get here and she will be good to go. From this too this over night its like Cinderella. LOL Posted By: greaser ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 10/23/14 05:24 PM Originally Posted by MonkeyBomb I have heard many good things about the Fenix lights. I'm just a cheap SOB who still demands quality. LOL, probably why I like the price to performance at the yard LOL I hear ya MB, but the TK15 I use is pretty reasonable performance to price. http://www.amazon.com/FENIX-TK15S2B...4084886&sr=8-1&keywords=Fenix+tk I just got put off of surefire in the sandbox when my original G2 blew its bulb about 15 min into a mission I am sure the new LED ones are better but it kind of POed me off and I said nope done with em. ( I saw quite a few of them blow) Posted By: gun dog ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 10/23/14 07:17 PM My uncle who is LEO likes his fenix Posted By: MonkeyBomb ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 10/23/14 07:33 PM LOL, thats a pretty good price Greaser. I paid 30 bucks for the TeraLux in a crazy sale on year end sales when they introduced the TT-5. I have had great luck with their conversion kits in my working lights. I have abused the heck out of them and they keep on going. I might put that one in my rotation if I have one go down in the near future. Posted By: greaser ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 10/23/14 07:47 PM You won't be disappointed, be careful where you get them from amazon seems to be the best place I have found. Posted By: MonkeyBomb ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 10/23/14 08:08 PM I hawk Amazon for deals and battery Junction does pretty well also. You just have to watch for sales. Posted By: greaser ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 10/23/14 08:51 PM Ill have to check out battery junction. One suggestion for any flashlight is go Lipo rechargeable. Posted By: MonkeyBomb ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 10/23/14 09:20 PM Battery Junction is OK on prices but the sales are occasionally outright insanely low prices. Posted By: gun dog ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 10/24/14 01:19 AM I will have to check out that place. Posted By: El CacaFuego ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 10/24/14 12:55 PM So, that happened... Posted By: lazi ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 10/24/14 01:51 PM Putting a gas block front sight and AR style butt stock on your 106? Posted By: gun dog ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 10/24/14 08:50 PM Cool!!! I'm now one rail and set of shims for a flash hider away from a complete AR Posted By: greaser ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 10/24/14 11:29 PM Nice Posted By: gun dog ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 10/24/14 11:51 PM Sent ya an email greaser Posted By: El CacaFuego ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 10/26/14 12:52 AM Lazi, Yepper! I have a gunsmith here in town who is going to give my original front sight tower special treatment (get rid of the bulgarian thread, exposing the barrel for threading in an AR thread pitch, and remove MOST of the tower, leaving the plunger for a locking point for the new muzzle device.), and who will install the CR type gas block. I picked up an AR sight post adapter from ACE ltd., and the SRVV tube was the holy grail of accessories for that particular rifle, and was by far the hardest thing for me to find. I'm just waiting for the Ares Armor Effin'A comp to arrive, and I'll be dropping the rifle off at the smithy. I have to order the VLTOR Imod come payday, and I can FINALLY stop sinking money except for ammunition into this rifle Posted By: greaser ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 10/26/14 01:19 AM Sounds like a sweet set up El keep us updated. Posted By: gun dog ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 10/26/14 01:49 AM That's going to be a sweet rifle. I got all my parts for my AR now I just ordered some tools. Hopefully I will make a complete rifle next weekend. Posted By: greaser ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 10/26/14 02:15 AM I will get your pic up tomorrow GD. Posted By: gun dog ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 10/26/14 03:22 AM Thanks. Sorry it's not a good one but my phones all I got at the moment. Posted By: lazi ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 10/26/14 04:36 PM Nice ElF! I was wanting to do the front sight gas block on my 101 but didnt know just how to go about it. One of the reasons I didn't mind letting my 107 go is that I would actually prefer to have a CR instead. I don't know if I would ever stamp and chop one but it would be nice to have that as an option. Most def keep us posted... Posted By: lazi ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 10/26/14 04:42 PM But... I saw this today. http://www.thebangswitch.com/the-new-iwi-galil-ace/ If a SCAR and a AK47 had a baby it would look like that. A couple years ago when I was googling to find the perfect fighting rifle I stopped looking when I found the Galil Ace. But back then there was no indication they would ever be available in the US and the price was insane. I'm pretty sure I will get one. I would like a last round bolt hold open option but other than that its just too perfect a rifle for me. Posted By: gun dog ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 10/26/14 05:05 PM Yeah I saw that! Looks awesome but I would like to know more about the barrel Posted By: SkunkHunter ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 10/26/14 08:05 PM GD I THINK I read somewhere it is a 1:9.5 twist and chrome lined. Personally I wouldn't worry. If the Israelis make it, it's gonna be OK. Posted By: gun dog ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 10/26/14 08:20 PM Chromed is what I wanted to hear! Posted By: DogTired ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 10/27/14 02:09 AM Ok, so AR barrels: stainless vs chromed vs melanite. Go. Posted By: greaser ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 10/27/14 05:43 AM I would take any of those 3 DT in this order melanite, stainless, then chrome. Reason being I run piston guns so I would much rather have the accuracy of the melanite or stainless over the ultimate corrosion resistance of the chrome lined. Posted By: greaser ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 10/27/14 05:51 AM Here is GDs new rifle. (Sorry it took so long brother) Posted By: greaser ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 10/27/14 05:52 AM PS NICE! Posted By: gun dog ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 10/27/14 09:55 AM Thanks for sharing. Hopefully next weekend I can send you a completed pic! Posted By: El CacaFuego ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 10/27/14 12:42 PM I was trying to figure out what joke I was going to make about the missing handgaurd... then I got lost in how pretty it is Posted By: Hobbes ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 10/27/14 01:05 PM Looks great. Can't wait to see the finished product. Posted By: RN ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 10/27/14 05:39 PM Originally Posted by lazi But... I saw this today. http://www.thebangswitch.com/the-new-iwi-galil-ace/ If a SCAR and a AK47 had a baby it would look like that. A couple years ago when I was googling to find the perfect fighting rifle I stopped looking when I found the Galil Ace. But back then there was no indication they would ever be available in the US and the price was insane. I'm pretty sure I will get one. I would like a last round bolt hold open option but other than that its just too perfect a rifle for me. I like! Posted By: greaser ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 10/27/14 07:18 PM I like this one better less AK more AR. http://www.faxonfirearms.com/c/23/arak-21-xrs-complete-rifles Posted By: gun dog ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 10/27/14 09:33 PM Those are sweet greaser. Almost took a job there. The machining is fantastic. Posted By: gun dog ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 10/27/14 10:22 PM Will look a lot better with that 15in DD light rail III bolted on Posted By: greaser ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 10/28/14 12:02 AM That's right GD I forgot about that LOL just looked at them the other day again and didn't even realize why I had the link. Posted By: gun dog ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 10/28/14 01:13 AM Lol! They aren't cheap but they have a great design! Posted By: SkunkHunter ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 10/28/14 02:19 PM Well, this is news to me. Sounds like it will be a good 'un. http://www.alloutdoor.com/2014/10/2...0-28&utm_campaign=Weekly+Newsletter# Posted By: gun dog ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 10/28/14 03:07 PM That's sooooo awesome!!! How about a conversion kit so it can shoot 22lr 22 mag and 22 shorts? Posted By: RN ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 10/28/14 03:09 PM Looks like a lot of fun to me. Saw the pistol for the first time in person last week. Interesting idea. Posted By: greaser ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 10/28/14 07:50 PM Sorry I got distracted by the lovely lady shooting it. The biggest issue with keltek is they come out with a sick product then don't produce it or they produce it in such small quantities that it is impossible to find or buy for less than 3 times srp. It does look like a great system and I agree with GD being able to at least shoot LR out of it would be nice. Posted By: gun dog ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 10/29/14 12:28 AM It would actually be easy to make a conversion unit. If modularity was in the design concept Posted By: SkunkHunter ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 10/29/14 06:27 PM OK, the Grand Daughter loves Hello Kitty. So... this MIGHT be my new rear slide cover plate. (just the outline, not the entire circle) Posted By: SkunkHunter ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 10/29/14 06:29 PM Yeah, I'm kinda weird, but what the heck. I would be the only one who would have a 4 inch 45acp Springfield XDS with that on it. (Maybe we could start a club}. they DO make them for glocks too Ya know. Posted By: MonkeyBomb ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 10/29/14 09:58 PM LOL Skunk. I have been tempted to to put a Punisher Logo on my old Glock. Posted By: MonkeyBomb ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 10/29/14 10:01 PM I was able to get to the range and break in my new rifle. Really nice day at the range. I got the irons and holo sight dialed in on the new rifle. I have to say I welcomed myself into more modern times with this rifle and it was a huge improvement. The mid-length gas system and compensator with a heavy tungsten buffer didn't make a hoot of difference in supported shooting. The rifle is reasonably accurate for what it is. I have no doubt it is at least MOA with decent ammo. This thing frigging rocks shooting on the move. The setup is incredibly smooth and stays on target shooting and moving. I was flat surprised how well it soaks up the recoil and virtually no muzzle rise during rapid fire. I would have bet that I wouldn't have notice much of any difference and I would have been wrong. I let one of my friends try it and he was surprised at the difference as well. It may not be everyone's first choice but I can't believe i haven't done this setup before. It's definitely a keeper. The only downside is the compensator throws a boatload of dust during prone shooting. I can live with that. I don't spend too much time on my belly shooting. Posted By: gun dog ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 10/29/14 11:39 PM Is that the gunfighter comp from bcm? Posted By: MonkeyBomb ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 10/29/14 11:49 PM The BCM Mod 0. Posted By: SkunkHunter ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 10/30/14 04:59 AM Glad things came together for Ya MB. I'll see about my XDs and shotgun Friday. Posted By: greaser ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 10/30/14 05:18 AM Nice MB I am a huge fan of the mid length gas system it in itself makes a huge difference in the cycling stroke. Posted By: MonkeyBomb ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 10/30/14 05:30 AM I was really surprised how well the whole thing came together. I really wasn't expecting it to make the difference that it did. I was slightly concerned that with a lighter carrier that it might short stroke. I didn't have a single hiccup. That rifle is well on its way to being a favorite. I ran it through the paces and it did not disappoint. Posted By: gun dog ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 10/30/14 10:41 AM That's awesome! I'm thinking a mid lenght for my next build project. Posted By: Spider-Pig ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 10/30/14 12:43 PM Nice! Yours too, gd. I'm spoiled by my middy. From now on it will be a mid length or rifle length for me, unless it's a pistol or sbr. Posted By: Spider-Pig ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 10/30/14 12:44 PM Got my scope and mount in for my DPMS GII yesterday. Just need to get it bore sighted. Posted By: MonkeyBomb ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 10/30/14 03:10 PM I want a 308 AR. One day I will have to start a build on one. I am having to contain myself on upgrades and new gun projects. They have some great sales going on and there is plenty of stuff I want. I just need to pick a project to upgrade and finish it. I'm fairly torn if I want to upgrade some stuff on an AR pistol or change out an upper and a go to a Free float handguard on an old H-Bar that is freakishly accurate but has the old A2 STYLE UPPER. Posted By: Spider-Pig ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 10/30/14 03:13 PM You know the upper swap will be the more instantly gratifying of the two projects. Posted By: MonkeyBomb ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 10/30/14 03:46 PM LOL, Also the more expensive. I can get a BCM demo upper for 74 bucks right now. That just leaves a handguard rail and a gas block. The handguard is going to be the expensive part. Then glass, a rail mounted bi-pod and eventually a new trigger....and something else. Posted By: greaser ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 10/30/14 04:19 PM Lol at least I am not the only one always wanting more firearms. Posted By: MonkeyBomb ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 10/30/14 04:34 PM It's an addiction. That's the one good things about an AR. Once you have the lowers built you can do a whole lot of stuff with them. I am getting to that point in life where I have some good quality gear and now I am outfitting/tailoring them for what I want. Not a whole lot of off the rack stuff except for work stuff. I would imagine the next evolution will be changing out sights to help with aging eyes. But that's still many years out. I think I may go for the flattop upper. That's always good medicine for prairie dogs. Posted By: greaser ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 10/30/14 05:26 PM I always go flat top I have never been a fan of the A1/2 uppers, way to many options with a flat top to go with a carry handle only upper. I got my shotgun all done last night haven't shot it yet but with dry fire drills I am loving this set up. Posted By: greaser ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 10/30/14 05:27 PM I will be getting a light for it as this will be my main home defense/room clearing weapon. Posted By: Spider-Pig ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 10/30/14 05:36 PM I never understood why the Marine Corps issued rifles with carry handles since we weren't allowed to use them. Posted By: Spider-Pig ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 10/30/14 05:39 PM Using the carry handle was grounds for an immediate posterior chewing. It's almost as bad as having your hands in your pockets. Posted By: MonkeyBomb ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 10/30/14 05:44 PM Back when I bought that particular rifle the flatops were rare air around here. I had never even held a flatop receiver until after I got out of the Army. Now that's the only way to go. I never got the whole carry handle thing either. Using it was the equivalent of spitting on baby Jesus. Posted By: greaser ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 10/30/14 07:53 PM Lol same here for my first go around luckily when I was sent to the sand box we were issued the A4s so I had optics when it counted. Posted By: gun dog ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 10/31/14 01:54 AM Dang. I hate when you watch something on a package tracking page only to see undeliverable and it's going back to the company... It was on my road dang it!!! So close. Guess I need to call midway tomorrow... Posted By: Spider-Pig ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 10/31/14 02:13 AM I was told by the USPS that "UNDELIVERABLE" was basically code for "WE PUT IT ON THE WRONG TRUCK." Posted By: gun dog ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 10/31/14 02:43 AM Idk I figure I will see what it says tomorrow. It was UPS Posted By: Spider-Pig ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 10/31/14 04:41 AM UPS Mail Innovations? If so the actual delivery will be done by the USPS. Posted By: gun dog ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 10/31/14 01:54 PM Idk what's hte difference is. I figure I can will just call midway and talk to then I'm sure they are used to that. Posted By: MonkeyBomb ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 10/31/14 03:06 PM Contact UPS and see. If nothing else they can leave it at the UPS office and you can pick it up. Posted By: Spider-Pig ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 10/31/14 04:03 PM I received something from Midway USA yesterday. The item was handled by UPS and transferred to my local post office, which delivered the item to my mailbox. It had a UPS tracking number. Every time I have selected standard shipping with Midway USA that is the way they ship it. They call the service UPS Mail Innovations and it takes twice as long as regular UPS or the US Mail. Posted By: RN ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 10/31/14 05:42 PM ^^^ Ain't that the truth. I don't know why USPS gets hammered on so much. For me it's waaaay faster than USPS. I've had two recent UPS packages that got to within 10 minutes of me, then shipped off to a different state! Posted By: gun dog ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 10/31/14 07:08 PM I called midway this morning and they sent another shim kit. It's just a kit to time a flashider. Got all my magpul rail covers for the rifle today and a BAD lever. Just need the shim kit. Then I have enough to complete this thing. Posted By: MonkeyBomb ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 10/31/14 07:58 PM I have had great luck with UPS. I dislike when they drop them off with USPS. FedEx is the one I don't trust. They have a problem with delivering stuff to the wrong address and then denying it. Apparently being able to prove it was never delivered due to a security camera doesn't affect their belief in where they delivered stuff. Posted By: El CacaFuego ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 10/31/14 10:13 PM MB, There's a reason we call them fedUP... They also manage to lose sensitive items when I ship them to Battalion in Denver from the springs... I mean come on.. I could throw it in the bed of my truck and take it there myself and have better results. Posted By: gun dog ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 10/31/14 10:43 PM Gosh I hate shipping stuff Posted By: SkunkHunter ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 11/07/14 06:50 AM I was talking to our paper service deputy yesterday and he bought a crossbreed holster for his 3.3 inch XDs. He said he would let me borrow it for a few days to see if I would like it or not. I've heard good things about them. One of our city cops has one for his CCW kahr 1911 and a CCW instructor carries an FN 5.7 in his. Posted By: SkunkHunter ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 11/07/14 06:50 AM Man, that 5.7 is light, even with a full mag! Posted By: SkunkHunter ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 11/07/14 12:17 PM OK, here is another take on these, originally called Ashley Express Sights. I first heard about them MANY MANY years ago. This is my favorite type of sight on any kind of firearm. AND if your eyes aren't what they used to be, you will be surprised how much your shooting can improve over the conventional square notch rear sights. http://www.officer.com/article/10757262/have-a-look-sight-systems-24-7-big-dot Posted By: SkunkHunter ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 11/07/14 12:30 PM One last post to bore you with. This perhaps showcases the express sight concept better than any other that I've found so far. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQVCeJ103BQ Posted By: El CacaFuego ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 11/07/14 03:06 PM I'm considering adding an Express to my AK, since the rear notch I have won't zero on my .223. Thanks for the info Randy! Posted By: gun dog ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 11/07/14 06:50 PM Yeah cool info! Posted By: MonkeyBomb ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 11/08/14 12:44 AM Those are great for a fast flash front sight picture. And they are accurate enough. Posted By: gun dog ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 11/08/14 01:05 AM I got the regular trijicon stuff on mine but wonder if those would be better Posted By: MonkeyBomb ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 11/08/14 01:39 AM Different strokes kind of thing. If my near vision ever starts to go i will go to something like this. Until then I just do a whole bunch of dry firing and that takes care of most issues people worry with about sights. I found a website with online drills that I like enough to buy a yellow barrel so I don't shoot my TV. I spend at least 15 minutes a day doing dry fire drills. It definitely makes a difference when I confirm my training with live ammo. Posted By: gun dog ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 11/08/14 05:14 AM I used to dry fire more than I do now. Now I'm just trying to find time to eat a square meal between work and school... Posted By: SkunkHunter ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 11/08/14 06:21 AM I have always (as long as I have been shooting handguns) had a hard time centering the front sight in the rear. Now with "Buckhorn", or more accurately Shallow V rear and bead front I don't have a problem. And as I have gotten older the problem has gotten harder to correct. Posted By: SkunkHunter ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 11/08/14 07:58 AM I am sure Y'all, or most of you, know about he sight XDtalk.com. Well I just stumbled across it and so far I like it. Posted By: El CacaFuego ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 11/09/14 01:33 AM My Mom just joined the ranks of Proud Gun Owners today! Her XDm below my Kimber. I also picked up some custom grips from VZ grips and recieved them today. They're mounted on the 1911 in the photo. Sadly, since we live in Kolorado, she wasn't able to get a full size, so the Compact is going to have to do for her first pistol. hopefully it won't prove too much to handle for her (she's 58 and her hands don't work too well most days.) We shall see soon though! Posted By: lazi ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 11/09/14 05:27 AM my 45/70 handi rifle is complete. this thing just keeps getting stupid better. i just added the nikon 3-9x40 with bdc reticle. whats amazing is that i somehow managed to have less than 200 in the whole setup. the funny thing is that i never actually intended to have this particular setup. it just all worked itself out over a 2 year period of lucky happenings. and everything was brand spanking new when i purchased it! i may upgrade the rings to warne rings but unless i find some for less than 20 it will mess up my less than 200 claim. i wouldn't want to over spend lol... Posted By: SkunkHunter ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 11/09/14 06:02 AM WAY TO GO LAZI! Posted By: SkunkHunter ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 11/09/14 06:03 AM ECF, how come she couldn't get the full size pistol? Posted By: MonkeyBomb ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 11/09/14 08:49 AM Magazines are 19 rounds for the full size XDS 15 is the limit. Posted By: SkunkHunter ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 11/09/14 09:16 AM You have GOT to be kidding! I thought only those Idiots back east did things like that. Oh and Kalifornia too. Posted By: gun dog ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 11/09/14 02:16 PM They seem to have crept into the interior states Posted By: El CacaFuego ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 11/09/14 03:37 PM Governer Hickeypooper shoved legislation down our throats last year. still haven't seen it repealed, and unfortunately that tool got reelected... But, he was apologizing to the Sheriffs about it, and he knows its not working, so it might be on its way out. he's a Dem, I won't keep my fingers crossed... Posted By: El CacaFuego ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 11/09/14 03:39 PM I'm trying to locate some Xtensions for the baseplate so she has a bit more purchase. My grip on that pistol is only a three finger grip, and even though it's only a 9 mm, and she's not shooting +P, there is still the possibility it might be more than she can handle recoil wise. I'll have to find out when we get her to the range with it. Posted By: El CacaFuego ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 11/09/14 03:40 PM Nice work Lazi, glad it didn't cost too much. Now you have more money for SYKCO steel! Posted By: gun dog ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 11/09/14 05:40 PM Yep the person I know likes the grip extensions on her xds9 mags. Be warned there was some chambering issues with hornady critical defense/duty. The sharper edge of the hollow point wanted to catch on the feed ramp. Posted By: El CacaFuego ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 11/09/14 08:16 PM That's what we picked up a couple boxes of. Won't know until we get it to the range and run the Self defense loads. hopefully it works. if not, though, it's on to the next type until I find her a load that shoots reliably. I don't think the pistol will need to be broken in though, my old XD ran like a greyhound out of the box with nary a bobble. Posted By: gun dog ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 11/09/14 10:07 PM It didn't need broken in. It's just the thin lip next to the poly tip wanted to catch on the two piece feed ramp they designed. You could see it's damage to the round and how it fed. Any othe hollow points because the rounded lip work fine. Posted By: gun dog ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 11/09/14 10:09 PM The result is the round would get half way out of the mag and stop. You had to lock the slide to the rear and push the round back into the mag before the mag could be released or the slide cycled. Not a jam you want to have in a gun fight becasue tap and rack just FUBARS the situation. Posted By: SkunkHunter ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 11/10/14 06:15 AM Originally Posted by El CacaFuego I'm trying to locate some Xtensions for the baseplate so she has a bit more purchase. My grip on that pistol is only a three finger grip, and even though it's only a 9 mm, and she's not shooting +P, there is still the possibility it might be more than she can handle recoil wise. I'll have to find out when we get her to the range with it. Try these ECF. All I've heard about pierce products is good. http://www.ndzperformance.com/category-s/2306.htm Posted By: DogTired ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 11/10/14 11:33 AM Nice site. I'll be back there! Posted By: DogTired ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 11/10/14 01:08 PM ...once I get a budget again Posted By: SkunkHunter ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 11/10/14 01:10 PM I am so used to window shopping that the word "Budget" has officially been dropped from my vocabulary! Posted By: El CacaFuego ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 11/10/14 01:54 PM I need to relearn the meaning of the word... I'm so used to having an extra G to spend each month from couch surfing that It's going to be a shock when I have to pay rent again... Posted By: gun dog ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 11/10/14 08:14 PM Lol yeah rent is painful Posted By: SkunkHunter ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 11/11/14 02:31 PM Hmmmmm Interesting concept, but I see a few problems right off the bat. http://www.versacarry.com/versacarry-semi-auto-models.html Posted By: SkunkHunter ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 11/11/14 02:39 PM Posted By: gun dog ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 11/11/14 08:22 PM Strange holster Posted By: lazi ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 11/11/14 09:09 PM Originally Posted by SkunkHunter Hmmmmm Interesting concept, but I see a few problems right off the bat. http://www.versacarry.com/versacarry-semi-auto-models.html I have one for my Shield. A place here is selling then for 5. I haven't carried with it yet but it works for what you see. There is a bit of tension on the firearm because the part that goes in the barrel is slightly angled. The belt clip is pretty good as well. It's not complicated at all. I can't say I like it for carrying around all day but it could work. I can certainly see it for a grocery store run or taking out the trash and walking the dog when you don't want a major rig on you. I don't see any major issues with it as long as you practice drawing with it and know what you have if you should ever need to draw from it. PM me if interested... Posted By: lazi ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 11/11/14 09:14 PM What are the potential problems you see? Posted By: SkunkHunter ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 11/11/14 09:22 PM Well first off, and MAYBE the only thing, is that the entire gun will be against your body. The only thing between the gun and your skin would be your shorts and or a T shirt of some kind. Some folks don't wear a T-shirt underneath another one. Other than that I really like the simplicity of it. Posted By: lazi ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 11/11/14 09:31 PM I didn't like the idea of having something stuck in the barrel but itS is a carry device and not something you should leave on the night stand. They do have a trigger guard attachment but I use the safety on my Shield so I opted to not use that part. And nope, I wouldn't recommend going commando but that's with or without this holster in mind . Posted By: SkunkHunter ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 11/11/14 09:35 PM The "Plug" retention device doesn't bother me. I was just concerned about nothing between the weapon and your skin. I sweat like a well a certain type of woman at a prayer meeting so that would always be a consideration for me. BUT, like you said for a quick trip to the store or out to the mailbox or what not, it would work out pretty well. PLUS like me, I could carry that way at work as I always have me shirt tucked in. Oh well Maybe I should only get one for my 45. Posted By: SkunkHunter ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 11/11/14 09:36 PM Time to hit the sack. My ONE night of now having to work is over and I have to hit it again tonight. Later Dogs. Peace and rest to you and all those you care for. Posted By: El CacaFuego ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 11/12/14 01:42 PM I was considering picking up one of those holsters. I understand there is a company that sells a Kydex trigger pocket thingy of sorts, that clips around the trigger guard of the pistol and ties to the holster via dummy cord. I can't locate it right now, but if I can track it down I'll bring it up here. might make the versacarry a little more safe covering the trigger. Posted By: El CacaFuego ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 11/12/14 01:46 PM just occurred to me, so many of us bend our own kydex, you could make your own. http://www.triangletactical.net/2014/02/20/kydex-trigger-guard-only-holsters/ Posted By: greaser ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 11/12/14 04:39 PM The hybrid holster is my go to system. Its just so [censored] comfy and has great retention to boot. http://concealednation.org/2013/09/product-review-osborn-iwb-leatherkydex-hybrid-holster/ Posted By: gun dog ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 11/12/14 11:15 PM Raven concealment has a neat trigger holster device. Posted By: MonkeyBomb ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 11/13/14 02:57 AM My wife told me to order my own Christmas presents. Well. I am going to make my AR-pistol more usable. Sig Brace and I may talk her into a new free floated handguard. I am thinking a Midwest Industries SS Gen II with a 7 INCH Barrel I am debating between a 7 inch and a 9 inch handguard. Posted By: DogTired ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 11/13/14 04:04 AM Just got my Sig brace. Highly recommend it. What caliber are you running in the pistol and for what purpose? Not sure what happened to my lower--my FFL didn't send the copy of his license yet and it's been over 3 weeks. His wife walked out and he'll be unemployed and homeless by 31 December. I've called hI'm a couple times to check in but no response to my last call. If I'm holding together after work I'll probably stop over and check in. Posted By: MonkeyBomb ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 11/13/14 05:24 AM I am running a 5.56. It started as a toy and now its actually managed to become a viable PDW. Posted By: MonkeyBomb ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 11/14/14 04:58 AM It should look pretty close to this when I am done. Posted By: SkunkHunter ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 11/14/14 08:45 AM Wow MB. That would be a GREAT "Close Confines" weapon! Posted By: MonkeyBomb ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 11/14/14 02:49 PM That's the plan. As a PDW from inside a vehicle and out to a max of 100 yards. Plus Even as it currently sits it's a fun little pistol to shoot. Posted By: gun dog ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 11/14/14 03:00 PM Sweet! Gunstruction is fun! Posted By: El CacaFuego ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 11/15/14 01:27 AM MB, I think that would be effective running the right optic out to 300, easy. Just be careful not to lose a finger to that short muzzle! Posted By: MonkeyBomb ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 11/15/14 05:17 AM LOL, ECF, I have many more options. I just finished what is still the perfect carbine for me. Ran it through the paces the other day and it absolutely rocks and I have no issues with a red dot or irons to 400. This is going to be a traveling pistol. It's small enough to be in the cabin and legal to have one in the pipe. I can also throw it in a pack and it's small enough no one would notice. In a pinch it can fill a niche as a rifle substitute if needed. Posted By: gun dog ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 11/15/14 02:30 PM It's a cool build for sure man! Posted By: El CacaFuego ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 11/15/14 06:01 PM Color me green with envy MB! I was considering building a backpack rifle myself, eyeballing the micro-draco that Atlantic Firearms has for sale, and a krink rail. noisy as hell, and probably not particularly accurate, but as a get home rifle, stuffed in a backpack with a folding sto- I mean brace, I can see if being useful. Posted By: Spider-Pig ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 11/15/14 06:20 PM I had a Zastava Pap AK pistol for a little while. That thing would make a GREAT backpack gun. On the heavy side, though. Posted By: gun dog ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 11/15/14 08:34 PM Held a sig AR pistol.... I want! Posted By: RN ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 11/15/14 09:54 PM I just learned a good lesson...don't take the grips off my Buchmark! Ugghhh...the slide stop and mag release are a pain in the a**!!!!! Posted By: gun dog ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 11/16/14 01:29 AM Good to know. Posted By: El CacaFuego ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 11/16/14 04:58 AM RN, I remember it took me three months to figure out what I had done to the bolt on my Savage .22, all because I had removed the firing pin retainer and put it on backwards... I feel your pain! Posted By: greaser ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 11/16/14 11:16 PM Nice set up MB LOL I feel your pain RN some of these firearms are more complicated than the human body huh? Posted By: DogTired ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 11/17/14 01:07 AM Grrrr!!!! SO ANGRY!!!! I got my AR pistol put together but the POS BCG WON'T FIT!!!!!! It's like they took a perfectly fitting BCG and put on WAAAAY too much nickel boron coating! I tried working it back and forth a bit but only managed to get it stuck--had to bang it out with a brass punch! Waste of money! Lesson learned: if it says "PTAC" run the other way! The BCG from my RRA fit no problem. The PTAC wouldn't fit the pistol OR the RRA. I HATE wasting money on junk that doESN't work. Thing is, I THOUGHT I was ordering a PSA NOT a PTAC at the time. Was looking at both and pushed "buy" on the wrong one. Posted By: SkunkHunter ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 11/17/14 01:10 AM Can you not send it back stating the coating is to thick for it to function correctly? Posted By: Ray Settanta ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 11/17/14 01:20 AM I have read that PSA stuff is good but to stay away from PTAC. I have a PSA upper that is great. Posted By: gun dog ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 11/17/14 02:06 AM Return that thing. Posted By: gun dog ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 11/17/14 02:08 AM That's just stupid. To make something and not function test it. Moral and ethical issues. Posted By: Spider-Pig ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 11/17/14 02:13 AM Oh no!!!! I went with a BCM BCG with phosphate finish and I've had zero problems.They're a great company. I agree with Ray. My PSA upper receiver group has been perfect. Posted By: DogTired ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 11/17/14 02:33 AM I sent an angry email to customer service. I bought it at the end of September but didn't get everything together to assemble until Friday. Yeah, I'd heard to stay away from PTAC too, which I thought I had until this thing showed up. Went back to the site and saw "Nope, I inadvertently ordered the wrong one." "Oh well," I thought, "it looks to be made with quality materials. Besides, how badly can you screw up a BCG?" Pretty badly as it turns out! PSA=good. PTAC=POS. Posted By: GeneralDelivery ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 11/17/14 02:58 AM Looking at getting a new hunting rifle. I have my list narrowed down to a Tikka T3 .270 or a Browning X Bolt in .308. Any input from the yard? Posted By: GeneralDelivery ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 11/17/14 03:01 AM More info... I shouldered bot and they both felt great. I like the smooth action on the Tikka but the X Bolt felt more robust and I like the rotary mag. The Tikka should be more accurate out of the box but paper target is just that. In the field either should hit gold at 200 yards. Posted By: SkunkHunter ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 11/17/14 03:06 AM I like a 308. Bigger bullet, better to fight the forces of nature (wind drift perhaps). Plus it's a 30 cal, not a 27. But that's just me. As Greaser says, Your mileage may vary. Posted By: Spider-Pig ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 11/17/14 03:06 AM I lean towards both Browning and .308 myself but I know someone that loves his Tikka. I don't think you could go wrong with either one. .270 seems to be more popular for whitetail in my area. Posted By: SkunkHunter ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 11/17/14 03:16 AM I may be wrong (haven't really been into guns for quite a while) but the .270 might be faster and flatter shooting. Those two factors might negate the advantage the 308 has. Posted By: Spider-Pig ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 11/17/14 03:20 AM Yep, .270 win is just a couple hundred fps slower than 7mm rem mag! Better ballistic coefficient than .308, too. Posted By: SkunkHunter ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 11/17/14 03:24 AM I figured as much. Posted By: SkunkHunter ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 11/17/14 03:24 AM YEARS ago, round about these parts the turdy turdy was king. Posted By: Spider-Pig ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 11/17/14 03:26 AM Were you one of the pioneers that were wildcatting that cartridge? Posted By: GeneralDelivery ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 11/17/14 03:34 AM I want to get a .308 but Tikka doesnt make a short action so I could get a Tikka .308 but it would have a longer action. Not the biggest deal but it sort of takes away part of the reason to get a .308 imo. The Tikka would be a couple hundred less, which would cover most of my scope cost. Oh decisions, decisions. Posted By: SkunkHunter ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 11/17/14 03:35 AM Originally Posted by Spider-Pig Were you one of the pioneers that were wildcatting that cartridge? YUP, started before them Leaver actions. Posted By: GeneralDelivery ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 11/17/14 03:37 AM I wish Marlington would get there poop in a group and release the defect free .338 express already! Posted By: SkunkHunter ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 11/17/14 03:39 AM Haven't heard of the 338 express. Then again I hadn't heard of the 300BO until about three months ago. Posted By: GeneralDelivery ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 11/17/14 03:41 AM Marlin round. Suppose to shoot like a 30-06 from their matching named rifle. Posted By: GeneralDelivery ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 11/17/14 03:42 AM Marlin had some trouble with the manufacturing and stopped producing the rifle for the last couple years. My dream hunting rifle if they ever get it right. Posted By: DogTired ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 11/17/14 03:47 AM Want flat and long shooting with a great ballistic coefficient? Get something chambered in 25-06 117-120 grains will drop em in their tracks at 2-300 yards every time. Posted By: DogTired ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 11/17/14 03:50 AM 338 seemed like a great idea on paper, but I'm wary of cartridges that only one manufacturer makes a round for. Almost pulled the trigger on one (so to speak), but never regretted not doing so. As you can tell, I have nothing constructive to add here Posted By: GeneralDelivery ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 11/17/14 03:55 AM Nope, I agree but the thought of a long range compact lever action makes me drool. Remmington also made the round but may have stopped because I see all the online stores dont have any in stock. Posted By: greaser ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 11/17/14 04:03 AM 7mm-08 remington = yummy Posted By: greaser ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 11/17/14 04:03 AM a 243 lever would be a light and long range dream Posted By: coyotebc ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 11/17/14 04:05 AM My brother had a Winchester model 88 carbine rechambered to 338 federal He has taken a couple deer with it Posted By: coyotebc ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 11/17/14 04:08 AM Same brother has a Tikka in 300 wsm and it is his go to moose gun Originally Posted by GeneralDelivery More info... I shouldered bot and they both felt great. I like the smooth action on the Tikka but the X Bolt felt more robust and I like the rotary mag. The Tikka should be more accurate out of the box but paper target is just that. In the field either should hit gold at 200 yards. Posted By: GeneralDelivery ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 11/17/14 04:09 AM Thanks for the feedback. Posted By: gun dog ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 11/17/14 11:03 AM 300winmag=dead anything!!! Posted By: DogTired ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 11/17/14 11:31 AM Didn't Savage make a 243 lever back in the day? Posted By: greaser ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 11/17/14 10:21 PM Yes they did DT, the model 99E its a little bit hard to find but usually right around 500 bucks when you do. Posted By: Spider-Pig ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 11/17/14 10:42 PM And Browning currently makes one. They even have a takedown model. Posted By: Spider-Pig ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 11/17/14 10:48 PM Posted By: greaser ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 11/17/14 11:40 PM I like it but not the price. Posted By: El CacaFuego ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 11/17/14 11:59 PM Get rid of that, definitely get your$$$back if you can. If only everything in this world came with a guarantee like Dan's handle guarantee.. Posted By: greaser ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 11/18/14 12:08 AM Originally Posted by El CacaFuego Get rid of that, definitely get your$ back if you can.

If only everything in this world came with a guarantee like Dan's handle guarantee..

?????? did I miss something?
Posted By: Spider-Pig

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 11/18/14 12:12 AM

DT's non-functioning BCG.
Posted By: greaser

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 11/18/14 12:36 AM

Ah ok sorry
Posted By: coyotebc

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 11/18/14 01:33 AM

Originally Posted by DogTired
Didn't Savage make a 243 lever back in the day?

Savage 99
Winchester 88
Browning BLR
Sako Finnwolf
All these rifles were chambered in 243
Posted By: SkunkHunter

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 11/18/14 01:38 AM

You're a Gold Mine of knowledge Bill. Thank You. Still a man of leisure or have you rejoined the world of the working class?
Posted By: greaser

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 11/18/14 01:39 AM

Oohhh the Sako would be sweet
Posted By: coyotebc

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 11/18/14 01:43 AM

My brother has a Sako 243 and 308 finnwolf for sale right now
I won't say anything to him as he really needs the money and would want to give me the rifle on time if I mentioned it
Posted By: coyotebc

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 11/18/14 01:44 AM

Originally Posted by SkunkHunter
You're a Gold Mine of knowledge Bill. Thank You. Still a man of leisure or have you rejoined the world of the working class?
still a bum Randy
Posted By: Spider-Pig

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 11/18/14 01:46 AM

I forgot about the Finnwolf! I love me a nice Monte Carlo stock.
Posted By: coyotebc

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 11/18/14 01:52 AM

Love the finnwolf
Posted By: coyotebc

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 11/18/14 01:55 AM

Originally Posted by DogTired
338 seemed like a great idea on paper, but I'm wary of cartridges that only one manufacturer makes a round for. Almost pulled the trigger on one (so to speak), but never regretted not doing so. As you can tell, I have nothing constructive to add here

At least if you go with the 338 federal you will always have a source for brass
Posted By: SkunkHunter

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 11/18/14 01:57 AM

Originally Posted by coyotebc
Originally Posted by SkunkHunter
You're a Gold Mine of knowledge Bill. Thank You. Still a man of leisure or have you rejoined the world of the working class?
still a bum Randy

Bill, one thing you will NEVER be is a bum.
Posted By: coyotebc

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 11/18/14 02:10 AM

Thanks my friend
Posted By: Spider-Pig

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 11/18/14 06:19 AM

Originally Posted by DogTired
Want flat and long shooting with a great ballistic coefficient? Get something chambered in 25-06 117-120 grains will drop em in their tracks at 2-300 yards every time.

My mom bought my dad a .257 wby mag back in 1981. It does pretty good.
Posted By: Spider-Pig

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 11/18/14 06:21 AM

Unfortunately the rifle is too beautiful for me to shoot!

Posted By: coyotebc

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 11/18/14 06:43 AM

Speaking for myself and the areas I hunt in, my 308 suits me fine
Other than moose anything from a 243 up would work for me
I still do most of my moose hunting with my 308 but up north I will use my 338 winmag
And I find my 450 marlin nice as a camp gun up north
Posted By: coyotebc

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 11/18/14 06:47 AM

SP that is a fine looking rifle
Posted By: Spider-Pig

Thanks, Bill!
Posted By: lazi

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 11/19/14 02:12 AM

Wow, that is a good looking rifle! That wood is crazy with the color change!

Very classy...

Shoot stuff with it!
Posted By: rth548

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 11/21/14 07:18 AM

Picked up my complete lower today, I'm really pleased with it. Got it from Palmetto State Armory assembled for about $150. It was sold as a blem but I can't find a blemish on it. My FFL said it has about$70 worth of Magpul furniture as well.

Now to shop the deals on uppers. I'm looking specifically for a pencil barrel 16 inch A2 upper. I may have a hard time finding that one.
Posted By: SkunkHunter

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 11/21/14 07:19 AM

I know where there are a couple 300BO Uppers.
Posted By: rth548

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 11/21/14 07:23 AM

I think I'm going to stick with 5.56 on this one. I've got a little of that around, and it's fairly easy to find more.
Posted By: SkunkHunter

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 11/21/14 07:34 AM

I got my EVIL Black (it's actually kinda gray) rifle MANY years ago from a little company called Colt. Mine is called an AR15A3 and it's wearing a Beeman SS4 scope. Oh my Precious.
Posted By: SkunkHunter

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 11/21/14 07:35 AM

Oh and Yeah I've got a few th Er a several rounds for it.
Posted By: SkunkHunter

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 11/21/14 07:35 AM

NOW I wish I had bought that DPMS 308!
Posted By: SkunkHunter

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 11/21/14 07:39 AM

Well the 29th is the day I take the final step to becoming a good Citizen and take my CCW class. THEN all I gotta do is wait for "Them" to bless me and I'm good to go! Got a value pack of 100 rounds of 45 ball, been dry firing a lot and I CAN tell a difference. Oh and the laser pistol I was using also helped. It's now easier for me to keep both eyes open.
Posted By: SkunkHunter

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 11/21/14 07:58 AM

Hmmmmm. To rich for my blood, but is should be a good one, or two!
http://www.greyghostgear.com/Articles.asp?ID=253
Posted By: rth548

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 11/21/14 08:03 AM

Originally Posted by SkunkHunter
NOW I wish I had bought that DPMS 308!

Palmetto has. 308 lowers stripped for $129. Buy you one of them and build one. Posted By: SkunkHunter ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 11/21/14 08:11 AM Well the$405.00 black out upper sure is alluring. AND it will fit on my colt lower.
Posted By: coyotebc

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 11/21/14 08:15 AM

Originally Posted by SkunkHunter
Well the 29th is the day I take the final step to becoming a good Citizen and take my CCW class. THEN all I gotta do is wait for "Them" to bless me and I'm good to go! Got a value pack of 100 rounds of 45 ball, been dry firing a lot and I CAN tell a difference. Oh and the laser pistol I was using also helped. It's now easier for me to keep both eyes open.
very good Randy
Posted By: SkunkHunter

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 11/21/14 08:18 AM

Thanks Bill. And how are you and your family tonight?
Posted By: coyotebc

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 11/21/14 08:20 AM

Pretty good how about you and Patty
Posted By: SkunkHunter

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 11/21/14 08:32 AM

Pretty good. Patty was sick yesterday morning before I got home but took some medicine and was better by the time I got off.
Posted By: greaser

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 11/22/14 11:56 PM

Originally Posted by SkunkHunter
NOW I wish I had bought that DPMS 308!

Gen 2
Posted By: gun dog

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 12/01/14 12:30 AM

Finished my AR build!!!! Oh boy it's sweet!!!
Posted By: greaser

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 12/01/14 02:17 AM

GD I will get your pics up tomorrow.
Posted By: gun dog

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 12/01/14 11:27 AM

Ok I'm going to send ya one more.
Posted By: greaser

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 12/01/14 06:37 PM

Got it

Here is GDs new AR.

Nice job GD it looks great.

And he was rewarded by nature for exercising his rights.

Posted By: gun dog

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 12/01/14 08:21 PM

Thanks man for posting these for me!!!
Posted By: El CacaFuego

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 12/02/14 01:43 PM

WOW, what a rifle Gorgeous!

How much did that ACOG set you back?

VLTOR upper, no?
Posted By: gun dog

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 12/02/14 04:06 PM

Yep vltor MUR paired with a 15in light rail III
Bcm auto carrier, and bcm 20in Sam-r barrel.
Bcm large latch charging handle. AAC blackout flash hider

The lower is a war sport LVOA with all the goodies.

The ACOG was free!!!
But not mine. The guy who I worked with on building it said it was in American to not have good glass on a 1moa or better rifle haha. So it's on indefinite loan till I get glass for it in a few months.
The guy had a leupold mark 8 on his AR so the ACOG was sitting in a drawer gather dust.
Posted By: MonkeyBomb

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 12/02/14 04:26 PM

I love AR goodness. I would like to have an ACOG. Unfortunately they cost more than most AR's.
Posted By: gun dog

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 12/02/14 08:22 PM

I couldn't believe the guy loaned it to me. I'm thinking a 2.5-10 power scope will be able to tap the accuracy potential of this rifle.
Posted By: rth548

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 12/03/14 10:11 AM

I'm working on one, but I can't find the upper that I want. I'm looking for a 16 inch pencil barrel with an A2 upper. I want a KISS rifle that is as light as I can make it. Plus I hate the big knobs on the detachable carry handles.
Posted By: gun dog

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 12/03/14 11:46 AM

Have you checked BCM? Are you wanting to build the upper or assembly it?
Posted By: Spider-Pig

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 12/03/14 02:59 PM

BCM does pencil barrels but not A2 uppers. Guess Randy has bragging rights here.
Posted By: gun dog

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 12/03/14 04:07 PM

Looks like a build is in his future.
Posted By: greaser

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 12/03/14 05:09 PM

Originally Posted by rth548
I'm working on one, but I can't find the upper that I want. I'm looking for a 16 inch pencil barrel with an A2 upper. I want a KISS rifle that is as light as I can make it. Plus I hate the big knobs on the detachable carry handles.

Posted By: El CacaFuego

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 12/04/14 03:11 AM

Nice, what a score GD! Lucky Dog! Once you outfit your rifle with your optic of choice, mind asking for me how much he'd be willing to part with that ACOG for?

I have a 5.56 AK that is screaming for a magnification upgrade, and I can switch my Vortex over to my M14 as an offset to compliment her 4-16x
Posted By: gun dog

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 12/04/14 03:25 AM

Honestly I doubt he wants to sell it. He has had it for a long time. It's actually got a rattle can tan finish. This guy really has enough funds he can do what he wants when he wants. Lol his range ammo is hornady 75grain BTHP match ammo lol.
And I'm shooting ball lol. Wish I could help ya but if it was cheap enough I'd grab it. But I don't think it's going to be for sale.
Posted By: rth548

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 12/05/14 12:27 AM

Originally Posted by gun dog
Looks like a build is in his future.

I hope not. I don't know that I could assemble an upper, but I did find that Rock River uppers can be ordered like I want, but it takes a little patience.
Posted By: gun dog

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 12/05/14 12:42 AM

Man the upper build was soooo much easier than I imagined it would be.
Posted By: El CacaFuego

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 12/05/14 02:53 AM

No sweat GD, I figured it never hurts to ask
Posted By: rth548

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 12/05/14 08:41 AM

Originally Posted by gun dog
Man the upper build was soooo much easier than I imagined it would be.

Any special tools required? I wouldn't be opposed to building my own, but I don't want to buy a bunch of stuff just to do it once.
Posted By: El CacaFuego

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 12/05/14 01:36 PM

Some Chamber Go/No go gauges, an AR 15 combination wrench of sorts, and... that's about it. Most AR components nowadays are CNC machined and are all so close to the proper specs that you could, in theory, slap an AR together, tighten everything down, and go fire it safely. I would personally gauge it before shooting though, because one out of spec chamber and you've got yourself a grenade, not a rifle.
Posted By: gun dog

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 12/05/14 01:48 PM

Tools were as listed. Punches, brass hammer, torque wrench. Smith enteprises armorers wrench, Allen wrenches for the rail and gas block I used, you need a way to mount the upper in a vice I used a reaction rod. That's about it.
Posted By: greaser

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 12/06/14 01:23 AM

I put a new charging handle on my shotgun.

Posted By: Ray Settanta

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 12/06/14 02:26 AM

Nice! Do you have 10 round mags for that?
Posted By: gun dog

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 12/06/14 04:34 AM

Sweet!
Posted By: greaser

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 12/06/14 08:47 AM

Thanks, Not yet ray those are the next upgrade.

Thanks GD.
Posted By: coyotebc

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 12/06/14 08:51 AM

Cute
Posted By: greaser

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 12/06/14 08:52 AM

Lol thanks BC
Posted By: coyotebc

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 12/06/14 08:56 AM

No insult intended
We all have our likes and want to personalize our firearms

My daughter's boyfriend is a real punisher fan, and I keep telling him he is a bad rip-off of The Executioner
Posted By: coyotebc

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 12/06/14 09:00 AM

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mack_Bolan
I used to read these back in the day
Some funny stuff like using a Marlin 444 as a sniper rifle, after a few books he hired a gun guy to keep his stories more correct
Posted By: SkunkHunter

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 12/06/14 09:06 AM

I read ALL his books for several years. My fav was the rocket launcher built into his RV.
Posted By: SkunkHunter

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 12/06/14 09:07 AM

THEN I started reading the Ashes series of books.
Posted By: SkunkHunter

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 12/06/14 09:07 AM

Oh well, it was something to do at the time.
Posted By: SkunkHunter

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 12/06/14 09:08 AM

Still a couple of my all time favorites are

2. Alas Babylon
3. The Freeman
Posted By: coyotebc

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 12/06/14 09:10 AM

I read the first 30 maybe 40 books
I used to read The Destroyer series around the same time

My favorite back then was the western series called Edge
I probably read the first 60 or so books
Posted By: SkunkHunter

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 12/06/14 10:27 AM

Only read one western. Didn't impress me and I never read another.
Posted By: coyotebc

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 12/06/14 11:29 AM

Edge was different than the traditional westerns
Very violent
Posted By: Ray Settanta

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 12/06/14 03:43 PM

Originally Posted by greaser
I put a new charging handle on my shotgun.

I considered buying one of these but I thought the light weight would be punishing when using heavy loads. What is your opinion on the recoil?
Posted By: greaser

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 12/06/14 04:48 PM

It don't think the recoil is bad at all Ray.

BC the punisher was invented/created in 72 with his first comic apperance in 74 so I would think he is more of a kindred soul than a cheap rip off.

I enjoy the deathlands series for my action books outlanders is good as well.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deathlands
Posted By: RN

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 12/06/14 06:41 PM

Punisher is that old?
Posted By: coyotebc

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 12/06/14 06:48 PM

Originally Posted by RN
Punisher is that old?

I must be ancient then

I was a big Marvel fan during the 70's and I remember when the Punisher came out
I was never much of a fan of the Punisher
Back then I was into; Thor, Avengers and Spiderman
Posted By: greaser

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 12/07/14 01:32 AM

Lol yep and yep.
Posted By: Spider-Pig

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 12/07/14 02:18 AM

I liked the old Punisher that wore magazines on the front of his belt and they made up the teeth of the skull on his costume.
Posted By: Spider-Pig

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 12/10/14 01:51 AM

Not really worth starting a new thread over, so I'll just post it here.

I just intercepted my wife's Christmas gift to me. I just opened up a large envelope from the NRA. Looks like I'm a card carrying Benefactor Member now. She must've done it when they sent us the discount packet a few weeks ago. SHE'S AWESOME!!!
Posted By: SkunkHunter

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 12/10/14 07:00 AM

A couple of us were talking AR15's the other morning. I looked at my Colt AR15a3 and the receiver is marked .223 and the barrel is marked 5.56 NATO. I thought that rather strange. Does it mean something?
Posted By: MonkeyBomb

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 12/10/14 07:10 AM

As long as the barrel is 5.56 you are GTG.
Posted By: MonkeyBomb

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 12/10/14 07:12 AM

To go with the punisher theme. A Mock up of my new build.

Posted By: SkunkHunter

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 12/10/14 08:00 AM

Neat MB. And what do you mean, Good To GO? I always thought .223 and 5.56(NATO) were the same.
Posted By: SkunkHunter

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 12/10/14 08:02 AM

Originally Posted by MonkeyBomb
To go with the punisher theme. A Mock up of my new build.

In YOUR line of work, this should be a good weapon for ya. I was talking to a trooper the other morning, and he carries an AR15 He built instead of an issue .223. The issue rifles were made by someone he isn't all that fond of but can't remember the name. Oh and YES, he did have to get everyone to sign off and then qualify with it.
Posted By: SkunkHunter

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 12/10/14 08:02 AM

Oh and Yeah, I figure that thing is loud.
Posted By: SkunkHunter

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 12/10/14 08:03 AM

What is your opinion of the Kel-Tec PF9 9mm?
Posted By: Spider-Pig

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 12/10/14 02:59 PM

Randy, the dimensions are similar but the 5.56 NATO round is higher pressure. With that barrel you will be able to run .223 and 5.56, but don't run 5.56 in a .223 barrel.
Posted By: Ray Settanta

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 12/10/14 03:04 PM

Originally Posted by SkunkHunter
Neat MB. And what do you mean, Good To GO? I always thought .223 and 5.56(NATO) were the same.

They are not exactly the same. You can use .223 in a 5.56 chamber and should not use 5.56 in a .223 chamber.
Posted By: Ray Settanta

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 12/10/14 03:05 PM

Oops. Posted at the same time. What he said.
Posted By: MonkeyBomb

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 12/10/14 04:23 PM

Randy as mentioned A 5.56 will fit in a 223 Chamber but it can cause an over pressure issue. A 5.56 chamber will work just fine with both.

What cliber it says on an AR lower doesn't mean much. The issue is what the barrel and upper is. Most of mine say multi cal.

I can slap a variety of uppers on the same lower receiver from a 9mm to a 50 Beowolf.
Posted By: gun dog

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 12/10/14 10:22 PM

Well I don't have to comment on that. Thanks guys
Posted By: El CacaFuego

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 12/11/14 04:19 AM

There is also another .223 chamber on the market, called .223 Wylde. It's supposed to be cut to shoot 5.56 safely, but it's also optimized for accuracy using either 5.56 or .223, since using one chamber or the other effects the performance. I think Bushmaster offers it IIRC
Posted By: Spider-Pig

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 12/11/14 05:36 AM

Yessir! I was about to mention that but I didn't want to add to the confusion!
Posted By: MonkeyBomb

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 12/11/14 06:48 AM

I thought the Wlyde Chamber was 223/5.56 and designed to shoot the longer round like the 77 grain bullets which sometimes won't chamber in a 5.56 due to OAL. Usually on a precision rig.
Posted By: SkunkHunter

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 12/11/14 07:16 AM

Yeah I didn't figure that the lower marked .223 would matter much as was said a LOT of uppers can be put on that lower receiver. I just found out about the .223 wylde the other day and they said the same thing. Basically the same thing but match cut chamber.
Posted By: SkunkHunter

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 12/11/14 07:17 AM

Any thoughts/comments on the Kel-Tec PF9?
Posted By: greaser

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 12/11/14 05:41 PM

Nice pistol MB.

My next AR in 5.56 will be built with the wylde barrel it is said to be the bees knees.
Posted By: gun dog

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 12/11/14 08:16 PM

The BCM 410 barrels are awesome too!
Posted By: greaser

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 12/11/14 10:35 PM

I am really tempted to try one of these, a friend of mine got one and it is a nice barrel.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-Spiral-..._DefaultDomain_0&hash=item35e0d420e4
Posted By: MonkeyBomb

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 12/12/14 04:32 AM

That looks very cool. I have never heard of the manufacturer though. EBAY sketches me out on gun parts. Well a lot of things.

The pistol is already taken back apart. New comp is on I need to hit the barrel with some cold blueing and get some back up irons and get the forearm re-attached.

I took it to the range and test fired it since I put a new low profile gas block on it. I am happy to say it is still a semi auto and not a single shot so I must have done it right.

Posted By: greaser

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 12/12/14 04:48 AM

I felt the same way MB but I have seen this guys work in person and it seems to be on par with the pro barrels I have seen. He took the chance I am reaping the benefits. Lol

That pistol should be a nice piece when you are all done.
Posted By: MonkeyBomb

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 12/12/14 05:44 AM

Is it the maker selling it or a reseller? if it is a maker it would bother me less. Especially if you have had a chance to inspect prior work.
Posted By: greaser

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 12/12/14 06:52 AM

I believe it is the maker selling them but I will check with my buddy and let you know.
Posted By: gun dog

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 12/13/14 12:59 AM

Yep. As a machinist I see way to many guys doing sketchy work that looks good. Make sure your getting the real deal!
Posted By: gun dog

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 12/13/14 01:02 AM

Look at Faxon Firearms AR barrels greaser
Posted By: greaser

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 12/13/14 01:25 AM

The issue there is they cost almost as much as the Wilson combat barrel I really want.

http://shopwilsoncombat.com/Wilson-...st-Stainless/productinfo/TR-762RC18-112/

I was trying to go budget barrel until I can afford to outfit it as a 7.62x40
Posted By: SkunkHunter

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 12/13/14 09:02 AM

Well I bought a Kel-Tec PF9. $225.00, with tax$250.00 out the door. Now I gotta find a couple spare 8 round mags.
Posted By: RN

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 12/13/14 11:38 AM

Like the looks of it then?
Posted By: SkunkHunter

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 12/13/14 12:46 PM

Rich, I forgot to tell you good luck with the Air Force interview! Hope things go well for you.

What do you mean, "Like the looks of it then"?
Posted By: El CacaFuego

Posted By: RN

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 12/13/14 03:41 PM

Originally Posted by SkunkHunter
Rich, I forgot to tell you good luck with the Air Force interview! Hope things go well for you.

What do you mean, "Like the looks of it then"?

Just that you liked the kel-tec.

No interview with Airforce yet, just applied a few weeks ago and waiting...waiting...waiting.
Posted By: SkunkHunter

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 12/13/14 03:49 PM

I thought you were about the Kel-tec. I really like the way it feels in my hands. But boy does it have a long trigger pull. I was gonna get some one round mag extensions to go with new mags but in the long run just settled on the regular 7 rounders.
Posted By: SkunkHunter

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 12/13/14 04:27 PM

My Kel-Tec came with a pinky extension for the magazine. I put those on my XDs flush magazines and really like them. But on the Ket-Tec the end of the extension hit my finger dead center so as soon as I grabbed it I took it back off.

They make a one round extension that might not be to bad and I might get one of those to try later on. And If I like it I will put it on both my spare mags. Time will tell.
Posted By: gun dog

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 12/13/14 10:30 PM

Greaser check this folks out and give em a call and see what they got. They know what they are doing!!!

http://www.faxonfirearms.com/c/2/ar-15-barrels-and-parts
Posted By: greaser

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 12/14/14 02:53 AM

GD unless they can do an 18 in stainless in 7.62x40 for well under 270 I just can't see the advantage of them over Wilson combat who developed the round.
Posted By: greaser

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 12/14/14 02:56 AM

Skunk I really like keltecs stuff but they can never produce enough to keep up with demand there 12 guage is sick and was suposed to be in the 700 dollar range when they released it 5 or so years ago but they built like 3 or them so now after 5 years they are almost available at msrp. Same thing with most of there products it P me O. Lol
Posted By: gun dog

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 12/14/14 02:57 AM

Greaser I meant to compare their barrels to the one on eBay. For that specialty round I would recommend the Wilson Barrel.
Posted By: greaser

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 12/14/14 03:06 AM

Oh ok my bad I misunderstood sorry. The eBay barrel is just a cheap place holder for the Wilson barrel at least that was my thinking. For just over 100 I wouldn't feel bad about ditching it later.
Posted By: gun dog

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 12/14/14 03:23 AM

Well if your investing the money then get a good one then when you swap out the Wilson on you can put it on another build.
Posted By: greaser

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 12/14/14 03:57 AM

Nope no more 5.56 for me after the 7.62x40 comes the dpms g2 recon and maybe a bolt action 223. I have the perfect 5.56 for me already so unless things change drastically I will have no use for the barrel after. Unless you want to take it off my hands after.lol
Posted By: greaser

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 12/14/14 04:06 AM

I think i will just go with this one they are semi local so i can go pick it up and there stuff is good. They just started witht the longer barrels otherwise the ebay barrel wouldnt have even been considered.
https://www.sotaarms.com/component/jshopping/product/view/13/245?Itemid=0
Posted By: SkunkHunter

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 12/14/14 11:58 PM

Was looking around in my bookmarks menu and found this. Forgot I had it.

http://www.ar15.com/ammo/project/Self_Defense_Ammo_FAQ/index.htm#OVERPENETRATION
Posted By: greaser

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 12/15/14 05:30 PM

Awesome info Skunk. Thanks
Posted By: SkunkHunter

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 12/15/14 05:31 PM

To Protect and Serve!
Posted By: greaser

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 12/15/14 05:37 PM

Lol yep.
It also agrees with my idea that 185 is an excellent bullet for 45acp, and dang those rangers are nasty when they open.
Posted By: SkunkHunter

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 12/15/14 06:00 PM

Do you have Winchesters number for those Ranger T's? Not sure I've found the right ones.
Posted By: greaser

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 12/15/14 11:01 PM

WINRA45T is the number for the 230gr. Winchester Ranger Ts, the 185s were Barnes 185gr. +P TAC-XPD HP I believe.
Posted By: SkunkHunter

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 12/16/14 12:41 AM

Thanks Grease.
Posted By: greaser

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 12/16/14 12:43 AM

No problem
Posted By: SkunkHunter

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 12/16/14 02:13 AM

Well it appears we're still #1 in at least ONE thing.

List of countries by number of guns per capita
Country Guns per 100
residents (2014) Rank
(2014) Notes
United States 90.0 1
Serbia 58.2 2 [6] 37.8[3]
Yemen 54.8 3
Switzerland 45.7 4
Finland 45.3 5 34.2[7]
Cyprus 36.1 6
Saudi Arabia 35 7
Iraq 34.2 8
Uruguay 31.8 9
Sweden 31.6 10
Norway 31.3 11
France 31.2 12
Austria 30.4 14
Germany 30.3 15
Iceland 30.3 15
Oman 25.5 17
Bahrain 24.8 18
Kuwait 24.8 18
Republic of Macedonia 24.1 20
Montenegro 23.1 21
New Zealand 22.6 22 Small firearms not permitted to general public. 26.8[2]
Greece 22.5 23
United Arab Emirates 22.1 24
Northern Ireland 21.9 25
Croatia 21.7 26
Panama 21.7 26
Lebanon 21 28
Equatorial Guinea 19.9 29
Qatar 19.2 31
Latvia 19 32
Peru 18.8 33
Angola 17.3 34
Bosnia and Herzegovina 17.3 34
Belgium 17.2 36
Paraguay 17 37
Czech Republic 16.3 38
Thailand 15.6 39
Libya 15.5 40
Luxembourg 15.3 41
Australia 15 42
Mexico 15 42
Mauritius 14.7 44
Guyana 14.6 45
Gabon 14 46
Slovenia 13.5 47
Suriname 13.4 48
Guatemala 13.1 49
South Africa 12.7 50
Namibia 12.6 51
Armenia 12.5 52
Turkey 12.5 52
Denmark 12 54
Italy 11.9 55
Malta 11.9 55
Pakistan 11.6 57
Jordan 11.5 58
Chile 10.7 59
Venezuela 10.7 59
Spain 10.4 61
Argentina 10.2 62
Belize 10 63
Costa Rica 9.9 64
Estonia 9.2 65
Somalia 9.1 66
Transnistria 9.1 66
Russia 8.9 68
Zambia 8.9 68
Albania 8.6 70
Ireland 8.6 70
Portugal 8.5 72
Slovakia 8.3 73
Jamaica 8.1 74
Brazil 8 75
Nicaragua 7.7 77
Algeria 7.6 78
Belarus 7.3 79
Georgia 7.3 79
Iran 7.3 79
Israel 7.3 79
Moldova 7.1 83
Ukraine 6.6 84
Maldives 6.5 85
Kenya 6.4 86
Swaziland 6.4 86
Bulgaria 6.2 88
EnglandWales England and Wales 6.2 88
Honduras 6.2 88
Colombia 5.9 91
Hungary 5.5 93
Scotland 5.5 93
Sudan 5.5 93 Includes South Sudan
Cape Verde 5.4 96
Seychelles 5.4 96
Bahamas 5.3 98
Dominican Republic 5.1 99
Mozambique 5.1 99
Morocco 5 101
Botswana 4.9 102
China 4.9 102
Cuba 4.8 104
Philippines 4.7 105
Afghanistan 4.6 106
Taiwan 4.6 106
Zimbabwe 4.6 106
Cambodia 4.3 109
India 4.2 110
Burma 4 111
Netherlands 3.9 112
Syria 3.9 112
Turkmenistan 3.8 114
Azerbaijan 3.5 115
Egypt 3.5 115
Bhutan 3.5 115
Palestine 3.4 118
Bolivia 2.8 119
Cameroon 2.8 119
Djibouti 2.8 119
Congo 2.7 122
Lesotho 2.7 122
Ivory Coast 2.4 124
Senegal 2 125
Mongolia 1.9 126
Comoros 1.8 127
Vietnam 1.7 128
Guinea-Bissau 1.6 129
Liberia 1.6 129
Mauritania 1.6 129
Malaysia 1.5 133
Nigeria 1.5 133
Sri Lanka 1.5 133
Uzbekistan 1.5 133
Benin 1.4 137
Brunei 1.4 137
Democratic Republic of the Congo 1.4 137
Tanzania 1.4 137
Uganda 1.4 137
Kazakhstan 1.3 142
Poland 1.3 142
Burundi 1.2 145
Laos 1.2 145
Guinea 1.2 145
Papua New Guinea 1.2 145
Burkina Faso 1.1 149
South Korea 1.1 149
Mali 1.1 149
Central African Republic 1 153
Tajikistan 1 153
Togo 1 153
Kyrgyzstan .9 156
Gambia .8 157
Nepal .8 157
Lithuania .7 160
Malawi .7 160
Niger .7 160
Romania .7 160
Haiti .6 164
Japan .6 164
North Korea .6 164
Rwanda .6 164
Sierra Leone .6 164
Eritrea .5 169
Fiji .5 169
Indonesia .5 169
Singapore .5 169
Ethiopia .4 174
Ghana .4 174
Solomon Islands .4 174
Timor-Leste .3 177
Tunisia .1 178

And here is the whole thing.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Number_of_guns_per_capita_by_country
Posted By: El CacaFuego

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 12/17/14 04:20 AM

http://www.keltecweapons.com/

The pictures that cycle through slowly, the one in the middle is an SU-16D with a few upgrades. doesn't look much like an SU-16 anymore.

Found the rail kit here:
http://www.redlionprecision.com/default.asp

and the stock kit is available for less than 1 bill on Keltec's website..

I think I've found my piston driven, AR Mag fed, ultra-lightweight truck gun and hog killer In a Charlie configuration, rather than the SBR. and I can probably piece it together for less than $1K Posted By: El CacaFuego ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 12/17/14 04:23 AM I'm thinking with an MFT stock like this, super lightweight... that Keltec will weigh less than a comparable AR, easily. http://www.missionfirsttactical.com/Products/Battlelink-stocks/BATTLELINK-Utility-Stock_6 It makes me giddy when a plan comes together! Posted By: greaser ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 12/17/14 04:44 AM I was looking at that same buttstock for mine as well, I really like the idea of it. Posted By: SkunkHunter ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 12/17/14 11:25 AM THE FUTURE IS HERE! http://www.ijreview.com/2014/12/218...servativedaily&utm_campaign=Military Posted By: Ray Settanta ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 12/17/14 02:46 PM I need that technology on my pistols! Posted By: greaser ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 12/17/14 04:22 PM I think the moving target idea is a bit over ambitious but correcting itself for environmentals is a great use. Posted By: El CacaFuego ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 12/17/14 04:24 PM I just totaled up the weight of the Keltec outfitted exactly as I intend to build it, with a full mag, weighs in around 8.5 lbs. That's less than my AK weighs empty... greaser, I've really been smitten with MFT's products. For the price too, it's a great deal. I like the positioning of the QD swivel cup, means I don't have to pick up an ambi sling mount to go with it. Posted By: El CacaFuego ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 12/17/14 04:28 PM I wonder how much a round of that costs per pop? I mean, match .50 costs no less than 7$ a pop commercial.
Posted By: greaser

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 12/17/14 04:30 PM

I would guess at least 50 bucks a round once it is in full production thsn tou have the optic system to buy as well.
Posted By: SkunkHunter

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 12/18/14 06:21 AM

Well Dang it! got my three mags in today for my Kel-tec. Shipped out on Monday and Arrived on Wednesday!

But there's just one small minor problem. The packages are all marked KEL-TEC CNc, INC. PF9-498 7 Rd MAGAZINE 9mm LUGER CALIBER. BUT they are 380 MAGS!!!!
Posted By: greaser

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 12/18/14 06:57 AM

Posted By: MonkeyBomb

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 12/18/14 07:20 AM

That's no good. Hopefully it will only take a phone call to get it fixed.

I'm frustrated since that darned "self Censored" magazine ban I am having a heck of a hard time finding a company to ship me a single 20 round P-mag for my duty rig. 30 is too much to carry on my belt and that's all I have.

The state decided anything over 15 rounds was evil and banned all new ones and grandfathered the old ones. Technically I can have/buy them for work but it's a PITA.

We are still fighting to have the law overturned But we lost round one and the appeal is taking way too long.
Posted By: gun dog

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 12/18/14 11:41 AM

Keltec seems to be very hit and miss with stuff like this.

Wow MB what a pain. Can you order them through your department?
Posted By: MonkeyBomb

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 12/18/14 03:20 PM

Unfortunately no I can't order them through the agency. They issue 1 30 and 1 20 but it's old school metal. The gen 3 magpul 20's are curved and a little shorter. Plus it will blend into the duty belt better.

I will have to find a police supply place and pay twice what its worth or wait til I am out of state.

Whats messed up is legally I will have to destroy that one magazine on the day I retire.

My state has gotten really screwed up.
Posted By: rth548

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 12/18/14 03:32 PM

What if someone mailed you one?
Posted By: MonkeyBomb

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 12/18/14 03:47 PM

It could work but in the end its probably still cheaper to get one at a police supply.

Its more venting about the stupid law than the mag itself. Its just funny that I want to buy a lower capacity magazine than what I have and the state threw a huge roadblock in my way.

Nearly every cop in the state fought against this law and the pushed it through. It's poorly written and unenforceable. We actually sued the state and we are still in litigation over it.
Posted By: gun dog

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 12/18/14 04:02 PM

Yep I couldn't believe it actually passed. Wish there was more we could do to help you.
Posted By: El CacaFuego

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 12/19/14 01:12 AM

MB, Let me take a look on post, I think I can pick them up at Patriot Outfitters. PMAG work for you? I swear I remember seeing 20 rounders at one point, so I might be able to nab one.
Posted By: gun dog

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 12/19/14 02:45 AM

Good idea!
Posted By: MonkeyBomb

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 12/19/14 07:32 AM

El Caca I appreciate it but in theory it would be illegal for you to transfer it even though we can both legally own it.

I will see if Neves has them in stock or go to Adams Police supply next time in in Denver (ish).

I'm just annoyed even more with the state over this crap.

Posted By: SkunkHunter

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 12/19/14 08:04 AM

And here I thought New York and Kalifornia were bad. Well along with Washington (State)as well.
Posted By: Spider-Pig

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 12/19/14 02:59 PM

I wish I could find some of the older style 20 round mags. The new ones are almost the same size as the 30 round mags.
Posted By: MonkeyBomb

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 12/19/14 04:15 PM

Brownell's had some of the straight metal 20's if thats what you are looking for.
Posted By: Spider-Pig

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 12/19/14 05:28 PM

No, I'm talking about the Magpuls. I have one and it is perfect. I bought one of the M3's when they came out and I am disappointed with it. I have enough metal mags to get me by, but I still keep an eye out for the old Magpuls but I never see them.

Thanks anyway.
Posted By: MonkeyBomb

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 12/19/14 05:34 PM

The gen 2 20's are hard to find.
Posted By: El CacaFuego

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 12/19/14 05:42 PM

I agree... it's agonizing to see my state fall under the "state compliant" category on certain firearms websites, like SiG's. it's just the principle of it.
Posted By: MonkeyBomb

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 12/20/14 03:35 AM

For me to buy a 20 rd magazine I have to have a Letter from the head cheese on letterhead and buy ti from an authorized place. Its crap.

I can go out of state and pick one up legally.

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 12/20/14 06:21 AM

I went to the local gun dealer here in Sioux City today. I'm looking for an EDC for the wife.

She went through my guns and the only one she liked was my SR22. She picked it for the size.

I can't have my wife defending herself with a 22. So, I'm in the market for a subcompact 9mm.

I think I have settled on the Sig P938. I like it for its manual safety, for her not me, size, build and Sig's rep.

Anyone having experience with this little fun?
Posted By: greaser

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 12/20/14 06:40 AM

I am the opposite JJ i am selling my 9mm because of the safety. I just dont like anymore complications then necessary so double action striker fired only for me.
Posted By: SkunkHunter

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 12/20/14 06:42 AM

JJ I got a KEL-TEC PF-9 9mm, really small platform. You might look into that. It's a double action only pistol so a long trigger pull.

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 12/20/14 06:45 AM

Greaser, I like Glocks because of the lack of a safety. My wife prefers a safety.

Skunk, I handle one today. It seems like a nice gun, but I feel in love with the Sig.

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 12/20/14 06:46 AM

I looked at the Hahr CM9. Long smooth trigger pull. I like it, but not a fan of the trigger.
Posted By: SkunkHunter

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 12/20/14 06:49 AM

As you well know, there are a LOT of smaller guns out there. I would think that for her it would be important to have a smooth, not to long or strong trigger pull.

Could make for a difficult decision. I will have to look at that
Sig.
Posted By: SkunkHunter

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 12/20/14 06:50 AM

Oh, and welcome back to the World, at least for a while.
Posted By: SkunkHunter

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 12/20/14 06:52 AM

And have you looked into the SA XDs 9mm with the 3.3 inch barrel? It has a grip safety and a glock like trigger safety. Nice little guns.
Posted By: coyotebc

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 12/20/14 07:08 AM

I am such a redneck
I just bought both of my brothers some Tannerite exploding targets
6 x 1/2 lbs targets each
Posted By: SkunkHunter

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 12/20/14 07:16 AM

That should get someone's attention.

Hi Bill
Posted By: coyotebc

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 12/20/14 07:22 AM

BOOM baby
Posted By: greaser

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 12/20/14 08:22 AM

If thats what she is comfortable with then more power to her, at least she is willing to carry.
Posted By: gun dog

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 12/20/14 06:14 PM

My mom was the same way till we started practiced defensive shooting. She saw the manual safety as a liability right away. She EDCs a xds9

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 12/20/14 07:34 PM

To be clear. My wife is prior service. She was security forces. She is trained to release the safety as she draws. The safety issue is a non-issue except that she feels better about carrying it around or boys. It is what she likes and her draw to engagement is faster than most.

Plus, I really like that Sig.
Posted By: gun dog

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 12/20/14 08:56 PM

Well that's awesome! I'm sure she will be able to make a well informed decision on a carry gun with your help!

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 12/20/14 10:39 PM

Well, she said she wishes they made a purse size 1911. The Sig is basically that. Has all the same mechanics for the most part.

As for picking it out ... It's her Christmas present. It'll be a surprise.
Posted By: gun dog

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 12/20/14 11:24 PM

True. If she likes a 1911 style pistol then that's a good possibility.

There are some nice compact 1911s but good quality ones are pricy!
Posted By: greaser

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 12/21/14 12:44 AM

To be clear. My wife is prior service. She was security forces. She is trained to release the safety as she draws. The safety issue is a non-issue except that she feels better about carrying it around or boys. It is what she likes and her draw to engagement is faster than most.

Plus, I really like that Sig.

Nice. Mine is scared of the p22 I got her to learn on lol consider yourself lucky she has the skill set and mindset to defend herself. Mine is coming around slllooowwwly which being a impatient [censored] engineer drives me nuts.
Posted By: El CacaFuego

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 12/21/14 01:08 AM

Well, she said she wishes they made a purse size 1911. The Sig is basically that. Has all the same mechanics for the most part.

As for picking it out ... It's her Christmas present. It'll be a surprise.

First off, let me start by saying "It's a SiG" with that out of the way If you like it, that's bonus points, since you'll want to shoot it to. I have an NCO who EDCs a P238, they're ITTY BITTY in the hand, as you well know. He loves his. It's not my personal experience, but I'd trust SSG Spruce's opinion, he's definitely a gun guy.

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 12/21/14 01:26 AM

I thought about a small 1911 for a second, but my Glock 21 is too recoily for her 95lb frame. That is why I'm getting the 9mm.
Posted By: gun dog

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 12/21/14 04:27 AM

There are a few good makers who make a 9mm 1911. Not cheap but nice!

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 12/22/14 12:34 AM

One being the Sig P938.

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 12/22/14 12:40 AM

Originally Posted by El CacaFuego
Well, she said she wishes they made a purse size 1911. The Sig is basically that. Has all the same mechanics for the most part.

As for picking it out ... It's her Christmas present. It'll be a surprise.

First off, let me start by saying "It's a SiG"

Yeah, I'm a bit surprised by others trying to talk me out of getting top the line. Randy even mentioned a Keltec as an alternative to a Sig!?!?!? I guess I should have expected that from the Chair Force.

Posted By: SkunkHunter

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 12/22/14 02:10 AM

Just because of the size. Don't really know anything about the Sig JJ.

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 12/22/14 02:46 AM

Just giving you a hard time.

Posted By: gun dog

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 12/22/14 03:12 AM

My only concern about a single action that small for self defense is stuff getting between the hammer and the pin while being carried locked and cocked.
Posted By: SkunkHunter

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 12/22/14 03:52 AM

Well folks, Patty has been sick all day and is going to bed. I'm gonna go with her and Bella. Y'all have a good one.

Peace and rest to you and all those you care for.
Posted By: greaser

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 12/22/14 08:51 AM

Originally Posted by El CacaFuego
Well, she said she wishes they made a purse size 1911. The Sig is basically that. Has all the same mechanics for the most part.

As for picking it out ... It's her Christmas present. It'll be a surprise.

First off, let me start by saying "It's a SiG"

Yeah, I'm a bit surprised by others trying to talk me out of getting top the line. Randy even mentioned a Keltec as an alternative to a Sig!?!?!? I guess I should have expected that from the Chair Force.

Nothing wrong with a sig as long as it is double action and it doesn't have a safety.
Posted By: greaser

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 12/22/14 08:53 AM

I dont know if i would call them top of the line though. Lol more like maybe 5th.
Posted By: El CacaFuego

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 12/22/14 01:28 PM

Lol, they do have a reputation for being "soldier-proof" which means "idiot-proof", and in today's world, that's a hard thing to come by.

To be fair about the Kel-tec, IMHO, Kel-tec really does make some very good quality for the price firearms, and all of my research on the PF9 (none hands on, sadly) suggests it's a solid contender for the micro compact 9mm market. But, you do get what you pay for. My buddy's Kimber just started having some serious mis-feeds, ironically when he switched to Wilson Combat magazines, (where my 10Mec-Gar runs like a machine) so caveat emptor. Besides, the color and grip options for SiGs are practically limitless. I have a lady friend who is in love with the rainbow anodizing. Posted By: SkunkHunter ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 12/22/14 03:58 PM I like the Kel-tec for it's size. And no more than I will be shooting it (HOPEFULLY), it should work out ok. I DO have a couple Sigs, a P220 (45acp) and an old out of production P225 single stack 9mm. Of all my guns I think this is my favorite. it is the first sig I ever bought and it was worked over many years ago by one of the premiere "Sig Smiths" John Quintrall. He and Tedwca used to work for a Fruity Computer/phone company but John has since retired his gunsmithing tools. IF I carry a 9 very often for CCW, it will mostly be the kel-tec, but but Sig will be heavily pushing for the first spot. Now in the 45 category, it will be the Springfield Armory XDs. Posted By: MonkeyBomb ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 12/22/14 05:30 PM I like the Sig 938. I couldn't carry one. Thye are just way too small for my hands. I'm not a fan of Sigs though. The companies quality control has taken a nose dive. Before anyone gets all butt hurt its just a fact. The old M-11 was the pinnacle. Price to performance with what you get S&W and Glock have them beat. The major reason very few law enforcement agencies carry sigs as duty weapons. With that said S&W has some major issues to. Glock appears to be getting it's problems taken care of. Fortunately I never ran across their issues. I have a pretty practical outlook on firearms. First it has to be reliable. I have a rule of thumb that for me to trust a weapon It has to have at least 500 rounds cycled without a hitch. I have to be able to shoot it well. It has to fit my needs, action, size, weight, caliber, capacity etc. Finally I have to like it. If it does the other things I probably like it. Posted By: greaser ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 12/23/14 03:40 AM Nows here my kind of sig. Posted By: Ray Settanta ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 12/23/14 02:52 PM All you need with that is a purple hat and some gold front teeth. Posted By: greaser ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 12/23/14 04:23 PM Really? Really? Lol I was thinking more like a plaque to hang it on the wall. Posted By: MonkeyBomb ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 12/23/14 07:36 PM LOL, that made me think of a great quote from Patton. "Son, only a pimp in a Louisiana whore house carries pearl handled revolvers, these are ivory." Posted By: gun dog ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 12/24/14 04:41 AM Haha that's awesome! Posted By: El CacaFuego ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 12/28/14 05:08 AM I've been thinking... Should I jump on the Keltec SU-16 Idea that I had before, kit it out, and roll with it, or should I wait until Keltec FINALLY releases the RDB and pick one of those up and give it a whirl? Both are in 5.56, Both use AR mags, Both suit my needs very well, but damned be the wait times with Keltec. I think someone needs to force them to hire 20 more employees so they can actually keep up with the demand for their products. I would probably pick up an SU-16 and kit it out just to have one at some point, but in the near time frame, it's 6 in one hand, half dozen in the other. Posted By: SkunkHunter ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 12/28/14 06:16 AM Originally Posted by Ray Settanta All you need with that is a purple hat and some gold front teeth. And a cane. Don't forget the gold topped cane. Posted By: MonkeyBomb ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 12/28/14 06:30 AM With the price of decent quality AR's I would just get an AR. Especially now that they have a way to make them folding stocks. Its pretty cool. Posted By: SkunkHunter ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 12/28/14 06:43 AM Well the magazine problem I was having with my Kel-tec pf9 has been resolved. SOMEHOW a lone 40s&W round got in my partial box of 9mm. I can't believe I didn't catch that it wasn't a 9mm shell. Posted By: SkunkHunter ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 12/28/14 06:44 AM Oh man that's sweet MB. Posted By: SkunkHunter ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 12/28/14 06:44 AM ON a different note, I just saw my first Ar15 Clone Saiga 12ga today. Nice. Posted By: MonkeyBomb ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 12/28/14 06:51 AM LOL, Skunk time to verify ammo. Posted By: greaser ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 12/28/14 07:02 AM Screw you guys I am taking my feather hat, my cane, my new gun And am going to make sure B has my money. Ahahahahaha Posted By: SkunkHunter ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 12/28/14 07:06 AM Originally Posted by MonkeyBomb LOL, Skunk time to verify ammo. It appears as if someone else who lives in the house found the lone round and just stuck it in a box. Posted By: SkunkHunter ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 12/28/14 07:07 AM Originally Posted by greaser Screw you guys I am taking my feather hat, my cane, my new gun And am going to make sure B has my money. Ahahahahaha Don't forget the fuzzy dice hanging from the rear view Grease! Posted By: SkunkHunter ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 12/28/14 07:08 AM Y'all folks from up North are kinda strange. Posted By: SkunkHunter ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 12/28/14 07:22 AM UN Arms Treaty facts and myths explained. http://gunssavelives.net/gun-politi...-arms-treaty-along-with-facts-and-myths/ Posted By: El CacaFuego ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 12/28/14 05:12 PM Yeah, but I don't want an AR platform, honestly. The SU-16 offers AR ergonomics for significantly reduced weight, which is why I was considering it, but the RDB offers a much shorter rifle and 18.5" barrel, just have to play the waiting game. ARs are great, I just don't want one :\ Posted By: greaser ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 12/28/14 10:45 PM Originally Posted by SkunkHunter Y'all folks from up North are kinda strange. I have no idea what you mean. LOL Posted By: greaser ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 12/28/14 10:48 PM Originally Posted by El CacaFuego Yeah, but I don't want an AR platform, honestly. The SU-16 offers AR ergonomics for significantly reduced weight, which is why I was considering it, but the RDB offers a much shorter rifle and 18.5" barrel, just have to play the waiting game. ARs are great, I just don't want one :\ I would go for the RDB, new AR style SU16 defeats the purpose of the original design which was a light, compact backpacking weapon. I also question its long term reliability when used as a high volume shooter. Posted By: greaser ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 12/28/14 10:49 PM Originally Posted by SkunkHunter good info there thanks Skunk you johny reb you. Posted By: SkunkHunter ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 12/28/14 10:50 PM YeeHaW! Posted By: El CacaFuego ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 12/29/14 01:31 AM Originally Posted by greaser Originally Posted by El CacaFuego Yeah, but I don't want an AR platform, honestly. The SU-16 offers AR ergonomics for significantly reduced weight, which is why I was considering it, but the RDB offers a much shorter rifle and 18.5" barrel, just have to play the waiting game. ARs are great, I just don't want one :\ I would go for the RDB, new AR style SU16 defeats the purpose of the original design which was a light, compact backpacking weapon. I also question its long term reliability when used as a high volume shooter. I would as well, since the barrels aren't chrome lined. I haven't heard any issues as far as overall durability is concerned, though Posted By: gun dog ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 12/29/14 03:37 AM Have you checked the Faxon Firearms ARAK 21 upper ECF? Posted By: El CacaFuego ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 12/29/14 04:30 AM GD, Yes, I have considered it. Still, I'd like something that offers an improvement over the standard AR, either size wise, or weight wise. ARs are great weapons, don't get me wrong, and all of the myriad adaptations are great, but I won't do DI because I hate cleaning up after something that vomits into its own mouth, and piston would be fine, but (and this is where it's hard to explain), I just don't want an AR or otherwise. I want something different, that's not a Tavor (didn't like the handling), FS2000 (iron sights SUUUUUUUCK), AUG (UGLY, and in the end, I have to look at it...), or an AK bullpup conversion (zilch ambi capacity). I have two AKs in a traditional rifle configuration. It's time for something different, ya know? and I've got so many AR mags laying around, it'd be a shame to not have something to feed with them. Military Arms Channel just reminded me about the MDR by Desert Tactical Arms as well, but MAN talk about pricey... might be worth it though, as it offers decent ambidextrous capability. I know I know, I'm being picky... but look at my choice in Knives Posted By: greaser ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 12/29/14 04:40 AM Ok here come a few other choices for you ECF. http://www.remingtonmilitary.com/firearms/carbines/acr.aspx http://xcr.robarm.com/products1.php http://www.fnhusa.com/l/products/carbines/scar-series/scar-16s/ http://www.beretta.com/en-us/arx100/ all quality manufacturers. Posted By: El CacaFuego ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 12/29/14 04:07 PM I've handled the ARX before, and even shot it. I didn't like the feel of the weapon, unfortunately. I will take the ACR back into consideration, as well as the SCAR. So many options, not enough money... Posted By: greaser ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 12/29/14 04:57 PM Lol tell me about it. Posted By: MonkeyBomb ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 12/30/14 09:25 AM LOL, I was goofing with a Tavor the other day. Not my thing. Way heavy for what it is. I tend to run lighter AR's. I can't stand a whole bunch of crap hanging off a gun. I go simple. A red dot and a light on a lightweight forearm. Posted By: El CacaFuego ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 12/30/14 05:07 PM The israelis have this weird way of holding the Tavor, something about 5 points of contact with the weapon and such. Funny thing is, My bulky American frame can't do it at all, I just don't bend that way.. Posted By: MonkeyBomb ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 12/30/14 07:28 PM The guy that owns it loves it. Its a functional weapon. If that's all I had I'm sure it would be just fine. Posted By: El CacaFuego ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 12/30/14 10:17 PM Yeah, I agree. My friend made fun of me for firing his Tavor "Like an American", C clamp grip, support arm extended, lol Posted By: coyotebc ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 12/30/14 10:41 PM Tavors are pretty popular up here, partly due to our goofy laws A Tavor is non-restricted so it can be carried just about anywhere, while the AR15 is restricted and can only be shot at approved ranges Posted By: El CacaFuego ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 12/31/14 02:36 AM Lol, what makes the difference between the two? Posted By: coyotebc ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 12/31/14 03:50 AM Just stupid laws Posted By: MonkeyBomb ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 12/31/14 09:29 AM LOL thats funnny. Function wise they are the same. Its even the same magazine. Posted By: SkunkHunter ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 12/31/14 09:33 AM Dumb laws by folks that don't have a clue. Posted By: SkunkHunter ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 12/31/14 09:34 AM Read that Shooting range post on the LEAGC page over on fb. NICE! Posted By: RN ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 12/31/14 12:14 PM Let's see it! Posted By: SkunkHunter ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 12/31/14 12:44 PM An Interesting Experience at the Shooting Range… I posted this little anecdote to my facebook page on Saturday night when I got home from the shooting range, not knowing that it would touch so many people. Numerous friends asked me to post it up on my site so that it can live in perpetuity and be shared with people who aren’t into social media. Here it is. Enjoy. Interesting experience at the shooting range this afternoon…. The range is packed. Everyone got new guns for X-mas and wants to shoot them. There was about an hour wait for a stall. I sit down and start reading as I wait my turn. In a few minutes, a young girl sits down to wait in the chair next to mine. She’s by herself and appears to be in her early 20s. She’s the only black person in the room and one of the only women. She seems nervous as she fiddles with the gun case in her lap. She’s obviously uncomfortable. Uncomfortable people with guns in their hands shooting in the stall next to me isn’t what I like to see. I decide to talk to her. Keep in mind that no one at this range knows me or knows what I do for a living. That’s why I like shooting there; I have complete anonymity and can focus on my own training rather than teaching others. I rarely talk to anyone, but something told me that I needed to talk to this girl. “It’s a long wait, huh?” “What kind of gun did you bring to shoot?” She smiles and seems visibly relieved that someone was being nice to her. She says “It’s just a 9mm. Nothing special, but it’s the only thing I could afford.” We keep talking. I find out she’s a single mom with two kids. Her house has been broken into three times in the last two months. The last burglary attempt occurred while she was in the house with her kids. She has never shot a gun, but she recognized that she had a duty to protect her family. She went to a gun show and bought a Jimenez Arms JA-9. She asked all her male friends and family members to go to the range with her, but all of them turned her down. She tells me that she has a bad feeling that the robbers are coming back tonight to get the x-mas presents she bought for her kids. She doesn’t know anything about guns and doesn’t know anyone who can teach her. She’s signed up for a CCW class, but no one teaches classes on the week of Christmas and she can’t find an opening until January. The problem is that she thinks the robbers are coming TONIGHT. A January class isn’t going to help. She told me that even though she didn’t know what she was going to do, she knew she better figure out how to shoot the gun before she has to shoot the robbers tonight. That’s why she was there by herself at the shooting range. It didn’t matter that she was by herself, that she was the only woman in the room, or that she knew nothing about guns. She had babies to protect and was going to figure out how to do it, come hell or high water. It got me thinking about the courage and commitment that this woman was displaying. How many people would intentionally place themselves into a situation where they know they will be the outsider and probably look stupid and inept to all the other “experts” at the range? Not many. The woman had guts. “I think I can help you. Let’s share a stall. I’ll show you how to shoot your gun.” Helping her seemed like the right thing to do. No problem there. The problem was that the range was closing in an hour and she could only afford one box of bullets. How’s that for a dilemma for you instructors out there? You have less than an hour and one box of bullets to take a woman who has never held a gun before and prepare her for a gunfight that she thinks will happen TONIGHT. Game on. Challenge accepted. Gun function, loading, stance and grip and sight alignment in 15 minutes. On to live fire. Slow fire two handed at first until she got used to the gun, then some faster shots, a few shots right hand only/left hand only so that she had the confidence she could do it if she had to. Finished up with a few reps of malfunction drills. I’m pleased to say that she kept all of her shots in the chest area of a silhouette target at 10-15 feet. The gun puked a couple times, but it gave her a chance to practice her tap/rack. She sucked up the information I provided like a sponge. She was a better student than any of the thousands of cops I’ve taught. The range closed. I wished her luck She packed up her new gun and left. I told her that I was a cop, but not that I teach people to shoot for a living. For all she knows, I’m just some friendly dude at the range. I like it that way. The whole experience gives me pause. How many times have you been at the range and looked down your nose at somebody shooting a HiPoint or Jennings? How many times have you silently thought “idiot” when someone fumbles with their gun? How many times have you looked askance at shooters using the “wrong” grip? I know I do all of those things almost every time I’m at a public shooting range…but I won’t do it anymore. What if those “idiots” are really just people like this woman…inexperienced, poor, and without anyone to teach them how to do things right? By the luck of the draw, this woman pulled up a chair next to a professional firearms instructor at the range. She could have just as easily sat next to “Bubba” who will tell her that her gun is a piece of [censored] and that there’s no way she could ever learn to defend herself in an hour. We shooters need to do better. It doesn’t matter if someone has a shitty blaster or if they don’t know how to hold it correctly. They might be in a situation like this woman was in. We need to help these people the best that we can. Who knows what an impact we will have? Save a life or sneer at an “idiot.” It’s your choice. Posted By: El CacaFuego ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 12/31/14 01:49 PM Good on him! I've been trying to teach my mom how to shoot her XDm. So far so good haven't worked up to malfunction clearance yet, but I've got some snapcaps waiting for her so she can practice that. Posted By: greaser ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 12/31/14 03:51 PM Awesome story and a great moral as well. Posted By: coyotebc ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 12/31/14 04:04 PM Originally Posted by MonkeyBomb LOL thats funnny. Function wise they are the same. Its even the same magazine. Of course we are only allowed 5 round capacity magazines Posted By: greaser ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 12/31/14 06:11 PM Boo that is rediculous. Posted By: MonkeyBomb ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 01/01/15 05:58 PM Its getting that bad in some states here. Posted By: SkunkHunter ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 01/01/15 06:11 PM WOO HOO, I am now a legal card carrying commu, I mean CCW holder! Whew, I bet if I had accidentally finished typing in that word Obama would be trying to give me a job! Posted By: greaser ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 01/01/15 11:54 PM Congrats skunk welcome to the club. Posted By: MonkeyBomb ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 01/02/15 11:47 PM I got my AR Pistol rebuilt. I like it except I'm not sure about the Sig Brace. I must have an over sized pistol Buffer tube. I can only get it a little over halfway on the tube. It took an act of aggression to get it on that far. I'm not sure it will come off. Its stuck in one spot. I put it on my forearm and its awkward. I thought it might be great for bullseye style shooting. I have big forearms. Its tight and I have a hard time getting the sight to the eye without canting the pistol similar to shooting with a gas mask on. I am going to give it a shot (literally) at the range a few times before I write it off. Posted By: gun dog ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 01/03/15 06:37 PM The sig brace has me courious. I want to try one. Posted By: El CacaFuego ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 01/04/15 04:37 PM There's heresay that the ATF is reversing their decision on the SiG Brace that is can't be improvised as a shoulder stock... at this point, it's only heresay though. Posted By: lazi ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 01/04/15 05:13 PM Been on the fence about that brace. It's a tempting cheater but I think I'd just put that money towards the real thing. Posted By: MonkeyBomb ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 01/04/15 05:57 PM Its not hearsay El Caca. If you put it on with the intent to use it as a stock its an SBR. If you build it as a pistol with the intent to use it as a pistol brace then its a pistol. There are a bunch of people that decided because of the letter to Greenwood PD that it was an end around to an SBR which was incorrect and then they started doing you tube videos telling everyone to put it on their pistols with the intent of using it as a rifle. I guess many people don't get the distinction of intent as it relates to criminal law. You can do nearly the same thing and in many cases your intent is what makes it criminal or not. An example would be hitting a dog with a car. If its an accident its not a crime. But if you intentionally run over a dog its a crime. The action and result is the same its all in intent. Posted By: Ray Settanta ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 01/04/15 11:05 PM Is it illegal to fire the pistol by putting the buffer tube of the pistol against your shoulder? Posted By: SkunkHunter ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 01/04/15 11:51 PM I need a good comfortable holster. When I work I usually wind up wearing my gun for about 16 hours. I've considered Alien Gear, crossbread, white hat and Firearmholster.com Posted By: RN ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 01/05/15 01:05 AM Ouch! Long day... Posted By: SkunkHunter ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 01/05/15 01:36 AM Yeah I get off work at 0800 and if I am in bed by 1500 I consider myself lucky. Such is my life. Posted By: greaser ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 01/05/15 01:43 AM Originally Posted by Ray Settanta Is it illegal to fire the pistol by putting the buffer tube of the pistol against your shoulder? Yes and no soon to be definitely yes if things go the way I think they will. I see the Sig brace going the way of the dino. Posted By: greaser ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 01/05/15 01:43 AM Skunk I went hybrid and haven't looked back. Posted By: SkunkHunter ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 01/05/15 01:54 AM They are all hybrid grease, just different makers. Posted By: greaser ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 01/05/15 02:28 AM Lol sorry I was just skimming and totally missed the list. I would say you couldn't go wrong with any of them. Posted By: SkunkHunter ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 01/05/15 02:34 AM That's pretty much my thinking as well. Now just to decide which one I want. I am kinda leaning toward the alien gear because it will be softer thereby conforming to my rotund body type easier, although I really like the horsehide White holsters. Posted By: greaser ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 01/05/15 07:22 AM Mine are thick leather and within a day the have broken in enough that they are comfortable within a week you will forget they are there. Posted By: El CacaFuego ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 01/05/15 01:55 PM I need to pick myself up a hybrid, let me know what you think of it Randy? Do a little vicarious comparison Posted By: SkunkHunter ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 01/06/15 12:18 AM Saw the Sheriff's son today and found out he is a class III dealer. One thing lead to another and I found out he has had 6-8 different suppressors and is now running one of these http://huntertownarms.com/ The cheapest sells for less than the tax stamp, and the one he has (one of the best he says) goes for 89 more. I might get the boss to concur that we NEED one of these! Posted By: El CacaFuego ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 01/06/15 02:10 AM I love that company, can't argue with the price! The only way to go cheaper is to build your own. Posted By: greaser ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 01/06/15 02:48 AM I need to get this communist state to pull there heads out and let us own these. Posted By: gun dog ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 01/06/15 02:52 AM Maybe if the world hasn't stopped turning in a couple years I will play the tax stamp game. Posted By: SkunkHunter ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 01/06/15 03:05 AM I could get one now, but I want Patty to agree before I spend about 500 bucks! Posted By: SkunkHunter ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 01/06/15 03:05 AM Oh, that's for the Suppressor AND the stamp combined. Posted By: greaser ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 01/06/15 04:30 AM I just picked up a MEC jr 12 gauge reloader tonight, now to figure it out. Spring is getting here quickly and I need some ammo to kill those evil clay pigeons. Posted By: gun dog ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 01/07/15 12:26 AM Good plan! Posted By: SkunkHunter ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 01/07/15 07:17 AM Originally Posted by greaser I just picked up a MEC jr 12 gauge reloader tonight, now to figure it out. Spring is getting here quickly and I need some ammo to kill those evil clay pigeons. They are VERY nasty. The leave part of themselves everywhere! Posted By: greaser ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 01/07/15 08:13 AM Or they just keep spinning around flying away from me taunting me. Lol Posted By: SkunkHunter ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 01/07/15 08:22 AM I have heard that a 10ga has more shot. Posted By: SkunkHunter ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 01/07/15 11:06 AM Thought you Saiga shooters might like this. Just wait for the commercial to end. https://www.full30.com/video/53a048539f989b76358467dde5f21e29 Posted By: El CacaFuego ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 01/08/15 04:09 AM I want an SBR Saiga conversion SOOOOO bad. problems I hear about them, though, is they don't like wally world birdshot and target loads Posted By: rth548 ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 01/08/15 09:57 AM Originally Posted by SkunkHunter I could get one now, but I want Patty to agree before I spend about 500 bucks! Better to ask forgiveness than permission Posted By: coyotebc ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 01/08/15 10:08 AM Looks like my brother gave up selling his 2 Sako Finnwolfs He wants me to buy the 308 off of him for what he paid850
Posted By: El CacaFuego

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 01/08/15 01:57 PM

Originally Posted by rth548
Originally Posted by SkunkHunter
I could get one now, but I want Patty to agree before I spend about 500 bucks!

Better to ask forgiveness than permission

besides, it'll be 4-6 months before she finds out anyways!
Posted By: El CacaFuego

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 01/08/15 01:57 PM

lol, Randy, don't give in to the peer pressure
Posted By: rth548

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 01/09/15 03:15 AM

Originally Posted by El CacaFuego
Originally Posted by rth548
Originally Posted by SkunkHunter
I could get one now, but I want Patty to agree before I spend about 500 bucks!

Better to ask forgiveness than permission

besides, it'll be 4-6 months before she finds out anyways!

Maybe 8, from what I hear.
Posted By: SkunkHunter

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 01/09/15 07:41 AM

Working a deal now where I MIGHT be able to trade my Kel-Tec PF9 for a Ruger LCP 9mm EVEN!
Posted By: SkunkHunter

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 01/09/15 08:59 AM

I put the rubber Talon Grip "Tape" on my XDs Thursday, and LOVE it!
Posted By: greaser

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 01/09/15 06:05 PM

You will like the ruger Skunk my mother has one with the built in laser and it is what sold me on the LCP. I will be selling my SAR 9mm soon to get the mod 2 XD in 9mm.
Posted By: MonkeyBomb

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 01/09/15 09:01 PM

I am holding out until at least April. Hopefully the new single stack 9mm Glock will be in production.

I just hope its a little bigger than the 42.
Posted By: lazi

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 01/10/15 12:54 AM

I keep screwing around and adding new calibers!

Picked up a .270 Winchester barrel for my Handi-Rifle. I really had no interest in the caliber but it was a pretty good deal. I was thinking of selling it but after doing some reasearch it seems some folks really like it as hunting round for deer and elk sized game. It would also add some range to my current collection which is what I had been thinking of doing with a .308 or .300 bolt rifle. I come out much cheaper this way I guess but again it's another caliber. I will most likely still get the .300 (another caliber) and just keep the .270 as a backup.

Any thoughts on .270 Winchester?
Posted By: gun dog

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 01/10/15 01:07 AM

Flat shooter from what I hear.
Posted By: El CacaFuego

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 01/10/15 01:49 AM

Really accurate too. It's too bad it's not a mil/super popular caliber (don't get me wrong, it's popular), I would consider it a little more myself. perhaps in a few years when I've settled on rifles that will have ammunition during TEOTWAWKI, then I'll start enjoying the wide world of ammunition
Posted By: coyotebc

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 01/10/15 03:30 AM

Originally Posted by lazi
I keep screwing around and adding new calibers!

Picked up a .270 Winchester barrel for my Handi-Rifle. I really had no interest in the caliber but it was a pretty good deal. I was thinking of selling it but after doing some reasearch it seems some folks really like it as hunting round for deer and elk sized game. It would also add some range to my current collection which is what I had been thinking of doing with a .308 or .300 bolt rifle. I come out much cheaper this way I guess but again it's another caliber. I will most likely still get the .300 (another caliber) and just keep the .270 as a backup.

Any thoughts on .270 Winchester?

The 270 occupies a pretty crowded group of hunting cartridges
Many will debate on why 1 is better then another but in my opinion it is mostly hot air
As a general hunting cartridge for deer, black bear sized game, the 270, 7mm-08,308 and 30/06 are pretty much the same
Yes the 270 is slightly flatter shooting, yes with heavier ammunition the 30/06 may be better suited for larger bears
But for average hunting you really won't notice any difference
Posted By: lazi

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 01/10/15 11:56 PM

Yup, well I guess the .270 handi barrel will be a keeper. It appears it will do what I bought the 30-30 to do and maybe do it a little better. Simple enough for a inexperienced shooter since its a Handi-Rifle and (hopefully) accurate and flat shooting with enough knock down to reach out to where I wouldn't want to go with my 7.62x39 bolt rifle. This is good for my plans to setup some hunting lanes and stands on some of our property.

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 01/16/15 08:22 AM

You might check out the tool belts sold at home building stores like Home Depot or Lowe's.
Posted By: SkunkHunter

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 01/16/15 08:59 AM

Thanks Tom, I hadn't thought of that. After spending 2 days with my new IWB holster, I really like it.
Posted By: greaser

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 01/16/15 08:21 PM

I have been using a tool belt died black for 10 years now as a duty belt and it is still holding up well.
Posted By: greaser

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 01/16/15 08:22 PM

I think hybrids will be the number one carry holster for quite a long time once everyone tries them.
Posted By: Mastiff

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 01/16/15 08:24 PM

Skunk, take a look at: http://www.thebeltman.net/. I have three gun belts from him and couldn't be more pleased. The oldest belt is five years old and is wearing beautifully. I wear a Glock 17 on my strong side with two mags on the weak side with no problem.
Posted By: gun dog

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 01/17/15 03:46 AM

Well we now have an official anoncment from the ATF. No shouldering an arm brace... Because your redesigning it....
These guys are idiots lol. Redesigning it? Where did they learn about engineering and production?
Shoulding now = engineering and manufacturing it into something else...
Posted By: SkunkHunter

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 01/17/15 07:46 AM

Mastiff, thanks. I had looked at that but forgot about him. I'll give it another look see.
Posted By: El CacaFuego

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 01/17/15 03:01 PM

Randy, this was the first thing I found when I googled it. I have some 2" Nylon belts stiffened with Kydex that we issue to our MPs, and they're great, if a bit big for everyday carry. I figured a kydex stiffened belt might be a good fit for you too.

http://concealmentsolutions.com/lekybe.html

5.11 also has some belts with the stiffened liner.

http://www.511tactical.com/accessories/belts.html
Posted By: gun dog

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 01/17/15 10:50 PM

Anybody have a good holster suggestion for a ruger single six hunter?
Posted By: SkunkHunter

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 01/18/15 07:17 AM

Thanks ECF. I'll check em out. IN the mean time I found this guy and am intrigued to say the least. AND he gives discounts to military/ex-mil and LE!
http://www.abetterbeltusa.com/rough-rider-gun-belt/

Check out the Contour belt.
Posted By: El CacaFuego

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 01/18/15 09:17 PM

That belt is sweet! I like the design, would like to try one out, but it's not suitable for uniform wear
Posted By: greaser

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 01/18/15 11:17 PM

GD I think you are just going to have to go custom for your single six. I cant find any for your specific model.
Posted By: greaser

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 01/18/15 11:37 PM

Thanks for the better belt site Skunk I will be getting my next belt from him.

type-rough rider
size-nonya(lol)
width-1 1/2
reinforcement-IWB
Color-black
stitching-white
buckle-chrome
stitching-double
holes-7 at 3/4"

hells yeah perfect carry belt for sure.

Posted By: gun dog

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 01/19/15 02:17 AM

Idk even where to start looking for a maker greaser
Posted By: SkunkHunter

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 01/19/15 03:46 AM

Check out holsters for cowboy shooters. I had a western rig for My Ruger Single six Convertible.
Posted By: SkunkHunter

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 01/19/15 03:47 AM

Ur Welcome Grease!
Posted By: SkunkHunter

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 01/19/15 03:50 AM

This is the site Greaser is talking about.

http://www.abetterbeltusa.com/contour-belts-the-perfect-fit-belt/
Posted By: greaser

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 01/19/15 04:45 AM

Not sure how close he is but here is a good start.
http://www.luckylevisleather.net/
Posted By: El CacaFuego

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 01/19/15 07:27 PM

So, I have crunched the set up in my head, and I will be putting in for a Huntertown arms steel can by this summer I'll be getting their .308 suppressor so that I can run it on my M14 as well as my 5.56 AK. woohoo hushed shooting!!!
Posted By: greaser

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 01/19/15 07:36 PM

Nice, I really need to figure out how to own one here.
Posted By: gun dog

Found an uncle mike nylon holster for $19. Just need to mod the belt slide to accept a 3in belt though. Posted By: El CacaFuego ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 01/20/15 12:38 AM Where are you located Greaser? http://www.ehow.com/list_6852164_states-owning-silencer-legal.html it's hardly all inclusive, but it's a start Posted By: gun dog ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 01/20/15 02:15 AM Land of a thousand lakes I think. Posted By: greaser ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 01/20/15 02:21 AM Originally Posted by gun dog Land of a thousand lakes I think. Yep the beautiful state full of commilibs Minnesota. Love the nature, hate the people. Posted By: El CacaFuego ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 01/20/15 01:51 PM Sounds like you're going to need to move. Posted By: greaser ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 01/20/15 07:56 PM Probably not going to happen before the collapse. I will own a surpresser one way or another before that happens. Posted By: gun dog ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 01/22/15 04:27 AM Shot show has lots of neet things this year Posted By: El CacaFuego ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 01/22/15 09:35 PM I've been trying to keep up with it, haven't seen anything really revolutionary though, IMO. Posted By: MonkeyBomb ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 01/22/15 09:39 PM The one thing I wanted to see announced at SHOT wasn't. Iam glad I didn't spend the coin to go this year. I may go next year. Once of our admins goes every year for his agency. Posted By: El CacaFuego ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 01/22/15 09:53 PM What were you looking forward to? I've already keyed in on the Desert Tech MDR that I mentioned before, but that was announced at 2014, so no surprise there. Posted By: MonkeyBomb ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 01/22/15 10:59 PM I have been waiting for Glock to release a single stack 9mm. Instead of the 9mm they released a 380 last year and early on this year they put out to dealers a single stack 9mm was coming which is what should have been released a year ago. I'm guessing they are having design problems or as usual their Marketing department is being run bu drunken monkeys that jhave a bad meth habit. They release the most bizarre things. The Glock 40? Unless you are willing to pay more for a out of the box option its way cheaper to have it custom milled and real suppressor sights put on. The sights they shipped it with are useless with optics where they could have shipped them with suppressor sights. They claimed people might want a choice. But there are only two manufacturers of suppressor sights for a Glock. I like the guns but I really dislike their business model. Posted By: Sethrotull ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 01/23/15 04:31 AM I have a couple Cobra Buckle belts similar to the ones this guy makes. http://www.jonestactical.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=50:cobra-shooters-belt-csb-15&catid=2&Itemid=44 The guy who made mine is out of the business but I have heard good things about jones tactical. I think mine are 1.75" and they are very comfortable carrying a concealed firearm and Knife. Posted By: Sethrotull ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 01/23/15 04:37 AM Maybe his back in business. http://endeavorstitchworks.com/cobra-rigger-belts/ Posted By: gun dog ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 01/24/15 01:02 AM I totally agree with you MB Posted By: MonkeyBomb ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 01/24/15 03:53 AM I had the go ahead from the wife to get a Glock Single Stack 9mm. I am pretty torqued at Glock. I could have picked up a S&W Shield for$289 Shipped right after Christmas.
Posted By: greaser

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 01/24/15 05:04 AM

Ok now I am done with this one, time to start on my next build.

Posted By: MonkeyBomb

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 01/24/15 06:48 AM

Greaser. What Optic and Mount?
Posted By: SkunkHunter

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 01/24/15 08:13 AM

That's sweet Greaser.
Posted By: gun dog

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 01/24/15 01:07 PM

Purdy!
Posted By: Ishikawa

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 01/24/15 04:21 PM

Originally Posted by greaser
Ok now I am done with this one, time to start on my next build.

They're never done. You still need to free-float that barrel if you want to take full advantage of that scope. (sincere comment...but j/k re: being done. that's a good looking rifle!)
Posted By: MonkeyBomb

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 01/24/15 05:57 PM

I am pretty stoked this morning. I got the opportunity to T&E a newer FF Handguard from Parrallax Tactical.

I got a PM this morning that once it gets to me its mine to keep.

Its for a review from a third party and they just want an honest evaluation, warts and all.

It comes at a good time since this was the last piece I was waiting on for the rebuild of an H-Bar upper. And it was once of the once I was looking at but there isn't much about them on the net.
Posted By: El CacaFuego

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 01/25/15 01:25 AM

That's a cool looking handgaurd MB. If I had an AR, I might pick up one of their Blems for myself.
Posted By: gun dog

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 01/25/15 03:34 AM

Almost got one but decided on my DD light rail. They are nice.

So does anybody know if a company that makes a nice side folding stocks for shotguns?
Posted By: greaser

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 01/25/15 11:28 PM

Thanks guys.

MB it is a Primary arms mount, I have heard nothing but good about it and it seems quality.https://www.primaryarms.com/Primary_Arms_AR15_Scope_Mount_p/pabasicsm.htm
Scope Is the 1x4 lighted retical bushnell, again nothing but good reviews and seems quality so far.
http://www.bushnell.com/tactical/rifle-scopes/ar-optics/1-4x-24mm-throw-down-pcl

Ishi it is a 300 and under battle rifle for me so center mass acuracy is what i am going for. But keep an eye out for my next build which will be a long range set up and be full float for sure.

Posted By: greaser

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 01/25/15 11:30 PM

If you want to pay it forward MB that would work on my long range build.

What kind of shotgun GD?
Posted By: gun dog

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 01/26/15 02:09 AM

Benelli m3 or berreta 1301
I'm guessing I would have to machine one.
Posted By: greaser

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 01/26/15 04:26 AM

Posted By: El CacaFuego

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 01/26/15 02:00 PM

Sadly GD, I can't find anything that fits the M3 or Beretta shotguns. a buddy of mine has this on his 870,

I can't imagine it would be difficult to fit a Leapers AR folding stock adapter to it. I was happy with my Leapers, until the good idea fairy struck with a dremel tool... but hey, for 10$at the time, I wasn't too upset. http://www.leapers.com/prod_detail.php?itemno=TL-K7FAD01 Posted By: gun dog ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 01/27/15 02:38 AM Looked it up. Stocks not made anymore and it was$400
Beretta had a new tactical semi auto shotgun out and looks like it can be had for under 1000. Is it a benelli killer?
Posted By: El CacaFuego

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 01/27/15 01:54 PM

Beretta, Benelli... same thing. Literally Benelli is owned by Beretta. Benelli is just Beretta's Ferarri versus their (slightly) more economical Dodge Viper.

I hear the Beretta's run like tops though, so I wouldn't doubt it being a good option.
Posted By: El CacaFuego

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 01/27/15 01:56 PM

Had a dream last night that someone just gave me an AR, and that it was also belt fed through the magwell.. who wants to buy me a Shrike?
Posted By: gun dog

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 01/27/15 04:28 PM

Haha I want one too!
Posted By: MonkeyBomb

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 01/31/15 07:53 AM

I got my upper all disassembled and the new one together except the new rail and USPS didn't deliver it.

It just left Iowa.

Posted By: SkunkHunter

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 01/31/15 08:08 AM

Go out and arrest someone. It will raise your spirits.
Posted By: SkunkHunter

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 01/31/15 08:10 AM

One of our local Troopers showed me an AR Pistol he built. 7.5 inch barrel, 500 lumen light, Flat top receiver with Vortex Strike Fire red/green dot scope with mount, all for 1K. He wouldn't get more specific. Oh and he has the Sig Brace on it as well.
Posted By: MonkeyBomb

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 01/31/15 08:51 AM

LOL, I guess It's my lucky day. I won another rail. I'm not sure what exactley yet but its an M-Lok system.

Who says staying up late and playing on the internet doesn't pay off
Posted By: MonkeyBomb

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 01/31/15 08:53 AM

If you are comfortable building its the way to go.

I have finally built one from the ground up. Pretty easy but it feels nice to say I did every thing I could do with out a machine shop.
Posted By: SkunkHunter

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 01/31/15 09:06 AM

I have a Colt AR15 A3, Box stock. I THINK it's this one, but don't remember it having that stepdown part on the barrel. It is a heavy (I guesss) 16 inch barrel with the short forestock. What kind of handguard (Rail) would fit on it?
Posted By: MonkeyBomb

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 01/31/15 09:12 AM

Since I just got a rail from them they are sending me some Arisaka accessories for the handguard instead. Which makes me a happy camper.

It depends on what you want to do with it Skunk. If you have a front sight post and want to keep it you can do a 2 piece rail or yo can do some gun smithing and add a free float rail depending on what you are looking for.
Posted By: SkunkHunter

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 01/31/15 09:22 AM

Oh sorry MB. Bought it in the mid 90's

http://www.colt.com/Catalog/Rifles/LE6920Series.aspx
Posted By: SkunkHunter

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 01/31/15 09:23 AM

Originally Posted by MonkeyBomb
Since I just got a rail from them they are sending me some Arisaka accessories for the handguard instead. Which makes me a happy camper.

It depends on what you want to do with it Skunk. If you have a front sight post and want to keep it you can do a 2 piece rail or yo can do some gun smithing and add a free float rail depending on what you are looking for.

IF I do it, just for something different and maybe putting a light on some day, maybe. Actually What I need is a set of BUIS for it. In case my scope goes south.
Posted By: SkunkHunter

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 01/31/15 09:25 AM

I have the Detachable carry handle up on the closet shelf but Ifr I'm out with the rifle and the scope quits, I am Up SC!
Posted By: SkunkHunter

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 01/31/15 09:25 AM

Guess I should have said Up the Brown smelly Creek.
Posted By: SkunkHunter

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 01/31/15 09:26 AM

I get these Ideas of something I want to do and then Life intrudes. That Sucks.
Posted By: MonkeyBomb

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 01/31/15 09:40 AM

Back up sights are pretty handy when you need 'em. Mostly they sit quietly.

I like a flashlight on a working /Home defense gun.
Posted By: SkunkHunter

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 01/31/15 10:04 AM

I don't foresee mine becoming a home defense rifle. I would rather use a handgun or one of my shotguns for that.
Posted By: DogTired

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 01/31/15 11:41 PM

Sigh. BATF has now come out with a ruling that shouldering a Sig Brace fundamentally changes a pistol into a rifle and makes it illegal unless you pay the tax. CAA Saddle seems like a good option at this point...
Posted By: El CacaFuego

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 02/01/15 02:29 AM

Also, using a hammer to alter a garment fundamentally changes it into a sewing machine, according to the BATF. This is going to be an interesting legal battle. don't throw away your Sig Braces yet...
Posted By: MonkeyBomb

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 02/01/15 08:27 AM

Skunk. Home defense means more than just inside 4 walls.
Posted By: SkunkHunter

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 02/01/15 08:47 AM

Yeah I know. But still, NORMALLY if anything was going on outside where we live, it would still be one of my Weatherby TRS shotguns. Now IF we got over ran by a gang of pikers or what ever, a GANG, it would be a different. But for normal "Bump in the night" it would be the shotty first.
Posted By: SkunkHunter

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 02/01/15 08:51 AM

I'm talking for outside problems. Inside, still the handgun first.
Posted By: MonkeyBomb

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 02/01/15 08:58 AM

Pikers?

You mean these guys? If its these guys you have bigger problems. If it's these guys its a rip in the space time continuum. Next it could be dinosaurs.

Originally Posted by SkunkHunter
Yeah I know. But still, NORMALLY if anything was going on outside where we live, it would still be one of my Weatherby TRS shotguns. Now IF we got over ran by a gang of pikers or what ever, a GANG, it would be a different. But for normal "Bump in the night" it would be the shotty first.
Posted By: SkunkHunter

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 02/01/15 09:02 AM

I guess my internal spell checker failed to recognize the error of my wording. BIKERS MB, Bikers.
Posted By: SkunkHunter

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 02/01/15 09:03 AM

Speaking about undesirables, we got an alert the other day that referenced MS13. Those guys scare me.
Posted By: MonkeyBomb

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 02/01/15 09:03 AM

I used to wonder why anyone would use an AR as a go to. I have to say that's my go to long gun. I can do a lot with an AR, From surgical to laying down a wall of hate and everything in between. But I also get some trigger time and formal training at least once a month.
Posted By: MonkeyBomb

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 02/01/15 09:04 AM

LOL, Skunk I'm more afraid of Pikers.

MS-13 is a problem. Or can be. They don't do well in areas where people stand up.
Posted By: SkunkHunter

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 02/01/15 09:07 AM

Yeah, being to REGULARLY being able to practice, to keep the skill set up has a lot to do with weapon choice.

Like me. I carry a 45, because I like shooting that caliber. I also carry a 9mm. I shoot the 9mm better and am considering to adding my Sig P225 into the CCW mix. That would give me three different weapons to choose from.

1. Springfield XDs - 45acp
2. Kel-Tec PF9 - 9mm
3. Sig P225 - 9mm
Posted By: SkunkHunter

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 02/01/15 09:08 AM

I'm scared of Pikers as well, specially that guy in the Pink Stockings!
Posted By: MonkeyBomb

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 02/01/15 09:08 AM

Don't get me wrong. I always carry a pistol. But If I know I'm going to a gun fight I want a rifle.
Posted By: SkunkHunter

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 02/01/15 09:10 AM

Originally Posted by MonkeyBomb
Don't get me wrong. I always carry a pistol. But If I know I'm going to a gun fight I want a rifle.

Rifle, Shotgun, minigun... Yeah those would work.
Posted By: MonkeyBomb

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 02/01/15 09:25 AM

I need a mini gun mounted on a turret in the back of my truck. And a whole bunch of money to pay for ammo.
Posted By: SkunkHunter

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 02/01/15 09:46 AM

Haha, yeah we're talking Bill Gates money for ammo!
Posted By: greaser

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 02/01/15 05:53 PM

Here is a minigun i can almost afford. http://www.airsplat.com/echo1-m134-minigun-airsoft-machine-gun.html
Posted By: El CacaFuego

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 02/02/15 12:26 AM

Yeah, but can you afford to feed that with BBs after you buy it, greaser?

Would be pretty awesome to have one of those for airsoft though... nobody could claim they weren't hit...
Posted By: greaser

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 02/02/15 04:53 AM

LOL probably for a while, but I would rather have real firearms for the money. If they did just dump another couple hundred at them.
Posted By: MonkeyBomb

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 02/02/15 05:21 PM

I really regret not stocking up on 223 when you could get half a case from 50 to 70 bucks.
Posted By: greaser

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 02/02/15 07:11 PM

There are whispers of a crash in ammo prices if it comes to pass i will be buying quite a bit.
Posted By: gun dog

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 02/03/15 12:58 AM

Plus with the wars in the Middle East coming to an end I hope for cheap federal lake city .556
Posted By: MonkeyBomb

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 02/03/15 05:31 PM

If ammo prices crash I will be buying as much as I can afford.
Posted By: MonkeyBomb

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 02/03/15 05:41 PM

I got my upper assembled last night. Now waiting on an optic and mount to get in.

Posted By: gun dog

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 02/04/15 01:43 AM

Nice! What barrel is that?
Posted By: El CacaFuego

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 02/04/15 02:23 AM

Originally Posted by MonkeyBomb
If ammo prices crash I will be buying as much as I can afford.

And then prices wont crash, lol... I think everyone will be doing this, then good luck finding any after that. Sure, it'll be 18 cents a round, but no rounds
Posted By: gun dog

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 02/04/15 02:50 AM

Lol the law of supply and demand.
Posted By: MonkeyBomb

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 02/04/15 04:55 AM

GD that barrel is a takeoff from my old Colt H-bar. It was before its Time. 1/7 twist and M-4 feed ramps 20 years ago. It was a tack driver on the other upper I just couldn't stand the carry handle with that barrel.
Posted By: SkunkHunter

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 02/04/15 07:11 AM

This would be something nice to have around.

Posted By: MonkeyBomb

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 02/04/15 07:21 AM

Thats pretty cool.
Posted By: SkunkHunter

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 02/04/15 07:30 AM

I thought it was pretty slick. Just something you evil gun loving sicko's would like! Oh wait. I guess that means me too. Never mind.
Posted By: SkunkHunter

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 02/04/15 07:31 AM

I wonder if the Ceramic Balls are gonna take over for the Brass ones?
Posted By: MonkeyBomb

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 02/04/15 07:43 AM

Those have to be ungodly expensive.
Posted By: SkunkHunter

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 02/04/15 08:00 AM

Haha, yeah, WAY outside my pay grade!
Posted By: MonkeyBomb

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 02/04/15 08:13 PM

Here is the rifle as it sits today. I'm still waiting on the glass to get here. The flip ups are just there so I can test fire it this week.

Posted By: gun dog

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 02/05/15 03:04 AM

Very nice!
Posted By: El CacaFuego

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 02/05/15 04:09 AM

Originally Posted by SkunkHunter
This would be something nice to have around.

Who knew that White Chocolate Raisinettes has that much stopping power? (ripped straight from the comments on the video, credit goes to some dude who was a wiser wisecracker than me )
Posted By: El CacaFuego

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 02/05/15 04:10 AM

Originally Posted by MonkeyBomb
Here is the rifle as it sits today. I'm still waiting on the glass to get here. The flip ups are just there so I can test fire it this week.

If you're in the Springs the weekend after next, I'm going to try and get some range time at Carson, you're welcome to join me MB!
Posted By: MonkeyBomb

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 02/05/15 04:44 AM

I would love to El Caca. Unfortunately I work on the weekends. I"m going tomorrow if the weather is 32 or above and trying to hit it on Friday as well.

Posted By: DogTired

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 02/06/15 01:07 AM

Wow. Just found a handful of XD 45s for $299-329. If I had the extra cash, I'd be sitting pretty with another Springfield right now I keep looking at the PTAC 308 lowers from Palmetto State. Complete lower for$179...are the lowers really THAT bad? Not looking for match grade, just minute of deer out to 300 yards--assume that has more to do with the upper than the lower....
Posted By: MonkeyBomb

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 02/06/15 02:30 AM

Thats a great price for an XD 45.

I don't think the PSA lowers are that bad. They have a better rep than Bushmaster.

If its Mil Spec its should be GTG.
Posted By: MonkeyBomb

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 02/06/15 02:41 AM

I managed to make it out to the range. I qualified on my BUG and was able to test fire and dial in my MBUS sights since I didn't have my optics in yet.

It runs like a top. Not too bad for plastic sights. 5 round groups.

Posted By: DogTired

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 02/06/15 03:54 AM

Remind me not to take you on in a gun fight
Posted By: DogTired

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 02/06/15 03:55 AM

PSA I'm not worried about, PTAC generally has a sketchier rep from what I understand.
Posted By: MonkeyBomb

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 02/06/15 04:11 AM

I'm dislexic. The PTACs have a bad rep. You would be better off getting a $49 bushmaster and a$70 LPK and put whatever you want on it.
Posted By: MonkeyBomb

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 02/06/15 04:18 AM

Or a DPMS LPK for 44 bucks and spend the rest on a buffer tube and buffer spring/buffer.
Posted By: El CacaFuego

Well, perhaps on one of these long weekends I have, we can get together for some trigger time. I spoke too soon on my plans anyway. Army Finance decided they didn't want to pay me my BAH at all, so I'm getting a 900$mid month check, which will cover my car payment, insurance, and POSSIBLY gas... it's going to be a tight three weeks... Posted By: El CacaFuego ## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 02/07/15 12:14 AM DT, I don't think anyone could accuse CTD of price gouging on this particular item... unless it's really only worth 5$...

http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/product/7-GATIGLOW200P

A buddy of mine bought one last month. Still anticipating the build, since I'll be helping him put it together. He's just got to come up with the parts to build it. It seemed pretty solid, for a poly reciever, but with anti-walk pins, I don't think it'll have any problems.
Posted By: MonkeyBomb

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 02/07/15 04:47 AM

Aim Has Anderson Lowers for 39 bucks. That's hard to beat. I am enjoying the lowering prices of AR stuff. I have gotten lucky and managed to get a hold of high quality gear for cheap prices the past few months.

Now is a good time to get into AR's.
Posted By: MonkeyBomb

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 02/07/15 04:51 AM

El Caca That's an interesting <Lower. I don't think you could get hurt too bad buying one of those. I don't know anything about polymer lowers though.
Posted By: El CacaFuego

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 02/08/15 12:39 AM

It seemed on closer inspection to be a pretty good deal. There are aluminum inserts in key points for strength, and plenty of lightening cuts as you can easily see, but the thing that stood out to me is the buffer tube interface is an aluminum insert, so it's metal on metal contact instead of metal on plastic. I've heard (and seen in person on another poly reciever) that trigger pins have a tendency to try and walk out on polymer recievers, since the plastic doesn't offer the same press fit as an aluminum reciever. I imagine you probably couldn't beat on most of the poly lowers too hard, but for a shooting gun, can't beat the economy.
Posted By: MonkeyBomb

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 02/08/15 03:32 AM

You could always use KNS antiwalk pins.
Posted By: greaser

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 02/08/15 10:20 PM

Originally Posted by MonkeyBomb
Those have to be ungodly expensive.

My thoughts exactly.
Posted By: greaser

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 02/08/15 10:21 PM

Originally Posted by MonkeyBomb
Here is the rifle as it sits today. I'm still waiting on the glass to get here. The flip ups are just there so I can test fire it this week.

Very nice I was eyeballing 20inch barrels last night.
Posted By: greaser

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 02/09/15 12:47 AM

Originally Posted by DogTired
Wow. Just found a handful of XD 45s for $299-329. If I had the extra cash, I'd be sitting pretty with another Springfield right now I keep looking at the PTAC 308 lowers from Palmetto State. Complete lower for$179...are the lowers really THAT bad? Not looking for match grade, just minute of deer out to 300 yards--assume that has more to do with the upper than the lower....

[censored] that's a steal on those XDs.

Nothing wrong with the Palmetto state stuff all the issues I ever heard about were slow to ship out stuff but I have ordered 5 times from them without any issues.
Posted By: greaser

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 02/09/15 12:49 AM

Originally Posted by MonkeyBomb
They have a better rep than Bushmaster.

Hey now I am still rocking my good old (key term here) post 2005 bushmaster lower of course nothing else is bushy anymore.
Posted By: greaser

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 02/09/15 12:50 AM

Originally Posted by MonkeyBomb

It runs like a top. Not too bad for plastic sights. 5 round groups.

100yds? Not bad at all with irons.
Posted By: greaser

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 02/09/15 12:53 AM

Originally Posted by El CacaFuego
It seemed on closer inspection to be a pretty good deal. There are aluminum inserts in key points for strength, and plenty of lightening cuts as you can easily see, but the thing that stood out to me is the buffer tube interface is an aluminum insert, so it's metal on metal contact instead of metal on plastic. I've heard (and seen in person on another poly receiver) that trigger pins have a tendency to try and walk out on polymer receivers, since the plastic doesn't offer the same press fit as an aluminum receiver. I imagine you probably couldn't beat on most of the poly lowers too hard, but for a shooting gun, can't beat the economy.

I have one I plan on using for a pistol build. It seems a solid setup and mine came with a 30rd pmag for 50 bucks.

Mine also came with pin locks that cap off the holes and prevent them from walking.
Posted By: MonkeyBomb

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 02/09/15 09:19 AM

LOL, Greaser I have a Bushy that's a truck gun. That is the one I wasn't too scared to hit with some krylon.

A pretty fair paint job for my first time.

I doubt I will paint my others though. EBR's are rarely black anymore.
Posted By: greaser

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 02/09/15 10:05 PM

I just sent my pt1911 slide to a buddy to get cerakoted if he does good all of my weapons will be getting some.
Posted By: greaser

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 02/09/15 10:06 PM

do you have pics of your bushy.
Posted By: MonkeyBomb

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 02/10/15 02:40 AM

Here is the Bushy after the paint job. It's not cool guy camo but it turned out pretty well. It just kind of blurs into everything.

The way the pics post here its really hard to see the pattern but there is one.

Posted By: MonkeyBomb

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 02/10/15 02:45 AM

Posted By: SkunkHunter

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 02/10/15 02:52 AM

Originally Posted by MonkeyBomb
Here is the Bushy after the paint job. It not cool guy camo but it turned out pretty well. It just kind of blurs into everything.

The way the pics post here its really hard to see the pattern but there is one.

Pretty slick MB.
Posted By: greaser

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 02/10/15 05:27 AM

I think its a good looking functional camo and as we know functionality is king.

The new build looks good as well.
Posted By: MonkeyBomb

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 02/10/15 05:51 AM

It was a simple. OD base and FDE as over spray. I used a pine bough to make a pattern.

It works way better than I could have hoped.
Posted By: El CacaFuego

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 02/11/15 12:39 AM

I did the same with my M14, various leaves from the yard, and a couple layers of color on top of a brown stock. It was a lot less difficult than I thought, you just have to sort of "think backwards" about the colors in the pattern, lol.
Posted By: MonkeyBomb

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 02/11/15 12:47 AM

LOL, you know the rules about pictures.
Posted By: El CacaFuego

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 02/12/15 03:39 AM

Haha, yes I do, lol

It's not a recent picture of her, but it's still representative of how it looks right now. Soon, though, when my back pay comes in, I suspect it will look more like this:

Posted By: MonkeyBomb

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 02/12/15 03:43 AM

Looks Great. The M1A is on my shortlist of rifles to buy. Eventually.
Posted By: El CacaFuego

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 02/12/15 03:01 PM

It's a tack driver too. When I installed the Smith Ent Gas Lock Front sight, it tightened the entire gas system down, and my groups went from 2" to sub 1" at 100 Yards. When I pick up the Blackfeather stock for it in the second picture, I'm going to further shim the gas system and really lock it down, then it's on to unitizing the gas block or just removing the stock collar, since I won't need it anymore. With a better optic, I should be able to wring 3/4 MOA out of it with Match ammo or handloads. And it's just a standard M1A, not even a loaded of NM... it just took a loving touch and the right parts
Posted By: El CacaFuego

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 02/12/15 03:02 PM

Better jump on it soon, they're almost 2 Grand now for the standards, prices are getting really high.
Posted By: gun dog

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 02/15/15 03:23 AM

Nice rifle!
I got a Larry vickers edition glock 17!!!! It's awesome!
Got a awesome special edition 870 tactical in order for next month.
Posted By: Spider-Pig

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 02/15/15 03:35 AM

Posted By: Spider-Pig

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 02/15/15 03:37 AM

Oh yeah, nice one ECF! I love seven-six-two rifles! I guess now I need to get an M1A!
Posted By: SkunkHunter

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 02/15/15 06:54 AM

Kinda thinking a little about upgrading my ar15a3 and or pulling the trigger on a DPMS .308 evil assault rifle, but I'm not really sure I want to spend close to a grand when there are so many other things we could use. Box stock from Wally world, are the DPMS rifles any good?
Posted By: SkunkHunter

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 02/15/15 12:36 PM

If I do anything to my Box Stock Ar15A3 heavy barrel carbine (Model #6721 I THINK), I am wanting to do the following.

1. Add BUIS to take the place of the factory detachable carry handle/rear sight. Which ones should I look at.
2. Replace the factory hand guard for a new one with picatinny rails.
3. Add a vertical fore grip to the new hand guard.
4. Add a light to the rail or get one built into the fore grip.

Now like I said, this is a stock Colt carbine. What else should I consider/do to make it as dependable as it can be? I don't want flash/fancy gimmicks, just dependable functionality.
Posted By: gun dog

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 02/15/15 05:23 PM

The 870 has a special finish not listed anyplace on the remington web site
It has an extended mag tube, ghost rings, Knox nrs spec ops stock.
The finish looks hammered and then it's coated in this strange gray&black coating. Reminds me of the coating you see on high performance car parts like brakes & engine components
Posted By: El CacaFuego

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 02/15/15 05:40 PM

Originally Posted by SkunkHunter
If I do anything to my Box Stock Ar15A3 heavy barrel carbine (Model #6721 I THINK), I am wanting to do the following.

1. Add BUIS to take the place of the factory detachable carry handle/rear sight. Which ones should I look at.
2. Replace the factory hand guard for a new one with picatinny rails.
3. Add a vertical fore grip to the new hand guard.
4. Add a light to the rail or get one built into the fore grip.

Now like I said, this is a stock Colt carbine. What else should I consider/do to make it as dependable as it can be? I don't want flash/fancy gimmicks, just dependable functionality.

2, 3, and 4. Unless you're adding an optic, having folding BUIS won't do much for you except add precious seconds to deploying your rifle. But if there is a surefire (pun intended) way to enhance a bone stock rifle, it is adding a light and a way to muscle the weapon around. Since you're mounting a light, not a laser, you don't need a pricey rail kit. Even a cheap set of Tapcos or other Poly rail replacements would suit that purpose fine. Where you want to spend the coin is on the light. Don't cheap out, otherwise you'll get a light that goes dead when you need it. I am very partial to my Streamlight products, they have all proven very solid and easily adaptable to my weapons. My 5.56 AK is wearing a Streamlight PolyTac mounted in a scope ring, works perfectly, and is simple to employ. I've used Surefires before, but had issues with my old switch. As far as I know that issue has been resolved in recent iterations, however. There are some good options out there for relatively inexpensive, but Caveat Emptor if you buy it from CtD... it's all airsoft garbage IMNSHO
Posted By: El CacaFuego

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 02/15/15 05:45 PM

Originally Posted by SkunkHunter
Kinda thinking a little about upgrading my ar15a3 and or pulling the trigger on a DPMS .308 evil assault rifle, but I'm not really sure I want to spend close to a grand when there are so many other things we could use. Box stock from Wally world, are the DPMS rifles any good?

Like any other AR manufacturer, I've heard good, and I've heard bad. I would be interested in a DPMS rifle myself if I had enough interest in getting an AR, but I doubt I ever will personally, though. I just can't afford to feed a second .308 right now, lol.
Posted By: El CacaFuego

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 02/15/15 05:46 PM

Originally Posted by Spider-Pig
Oh yeah, nice one ECF! I love seven-six-two rifles! I guess now I need to get an M1A!

Everybody needs an M14!
Posted By: MonkeyBomb

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 02/15/15 05:52 PM

The carry handle is fine unless you want to add a red dot sight.

Then bang for the buck it's hard to beat the MagPul sights. I have a regular front sight on my working gun with a rear folding Troy battlesight. The only reason I got the battle sight was that I got a screaming deal on it around the holidays. Otherwise I wouldn't have shucked out $110 bucks for a rear sight. A good light is definitely nice to have. I will say if you want a rail for the handguard Look around. The biggest issue I see with the cheaper ones is they are heavy. On my work gun I went simple. A MagPul MOE handguard Mine was$26 bucks and then added a rail and a light mount. Magpul has the MLOK MOE guards out now so you don't need the rail you can just attach the light mount and save cash and a little weight.

I tried a fore grip and I wanted to like them but I can't stand them and I gave mine away. It just didn't fit my style of grip and got in my way. On a semi-auto it wasn't worth the hassle.

For me I prefer simple and light. The less weight you have to hold up and hump around you will be faster, more accurate and less fatigued. I'm not worried about ultra light I usually get a standard barrel which isn't light. That's just a personal preference.

Posted By: gun dog

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 02/15/15 07:20 PM

Magpul moe products are the best bang for the buck for adding rails and sights to a rifle without adding weight.
Posted By: SkunkHunter

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 02/15/15 10:40 PM

WOW, fast response. Right now I have a Pellet rifle scope on my AR. Yes, I said PELLET RIFLE! BUT it is rated for unlimited full auto fire! It's a 30mm Beeman SS4 scope that I love. The rifle (flat top of course) has the regular ar15/m16 front sight and the carry handle comes off with two thumb screws. It works fine for me before I got the scope but I just thought I could put the rear BUIS on it for "In Case".

My concern was finding the right "Rail" cause the regular hand guard on it isn't all that long. PLUS it attaches at the rear with a collett (?) ring that is spring loaded and holds on the guard. How do I go about finding the right size handguard?
Posted By: SkunkHunter

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 02/15/15 10:43 PM

Oh yeah and about the vertical fore grip. I'm not sure I would like one, never used one, but I thought what with everybody using them it was the way to go. Personally I too feel as if it would get in the way (for me at least).

The light, I have been thinking about Streamlight Tlr (or TLS, which ever it is) series.
Posted By: SkunkHunter

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 02/15/15 10:57 PM

So it sounds like I could get a good Tactical flashlight and mount it to the barrel ahead of the existing handguard, add a remote switch and I would be in business.

Hmmmm I REALLY like this option. The only reason I said a new handguard/rail was to primarily mount a light.
Posted By: greaser

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 02/15/15 11:08 PM

Well I signed up for my C&R FFL so "obsolete" rifles here I come.

Skunk if you go with the dpms be sure to get the G2
Posted By: SkunkHunter

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 02/15/15 11:16 PM

IF I do get one (Patty gave me the go ahead a while back) It will probably be one from Wally world. I think they are either $897 or$987. Don't know which ones they are.
Posted By: greaser

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 02/15/15 11:23 PM

Not much more but much better system.

http://www.impactguns.com/dpms-3gun...handguard-30-round-mag-884451007166.aspx
Posted By: SkunkHunter

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 02/15/15 11:29 PM

Grease, I'm talking about the .308 version. I have a Colt AR15A3 in .223 already.
Posted By: SkunkHunter

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 02/15/15 11:34 PM

HOLY SMOKE! Just looked at mags on the Magpul site. 30 rounders for 15 bucks! But the question is, to window or not to window. And 20 or 30 rounders? Heck didn't know they were that cheap.
Posted By: greaser

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 02/15/15 11:36 PM

sorry this is the one it was supposed to be linked to must have hit the wrong link in the clip board.

http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/product/7-G7661
Posted By: greaser

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 02/15/15 11:37 PM

Originally Posted by SkunkHunter
HOLY SMOKE! Just looked at mags on the Magpul site. 30 rounders for 15 bucks! But the question is, to window or not to window. And 20 or 30 rounders? Heck didn't know they were that cheap.

5.56? That's kind of high for non window actually now if you can get the windowed ones for that go for it.
Posted By: SkunkHunter

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 02/15/15 11:43 PM

Dang, and I thought 15 bucks was cheap!
Posted By: SkunkHunter

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 02/15/15 11:47 PM

Which would be better, 20 round or 30? And gen M2 or gen M3?
Posted By: SkunkHunter

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 02/15/15 11:47 PM

Well, about time for church. Be back later.
Posted By: greaser

## Re: Scrap Yard Gun Talk - 02/16/15 12:18 AM

Originally Posted by SkunkHunter
Which would be better, 20 round or 30? And gen M2 or gen M3?

I use 30 rounders and M3s are supposed to be better but I have not noticed a difference between them in performance.
Posted By: gun dog

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