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Accuracy & Precision Shooting Discussion Thread

Posted By: Endeavour Morse

Accuracy & Precision Shooting Discussion Thread - 02/06/20 04:03 PM

Now that the forum is functioning I thought I'd start a couple of "focused" discussion threads. The first one is "precision shooting".

To start, I have not historically been interested in ultra precise shooting. I spend a lot of time at the range, but until recently I wasn't particularly focused on "one hole" type shooting. I have zero bench rest, Palma, etc experience. Having said that, over the years I have owned some "tactical precision" oriented rifles. This has included a couple of Remington 700 Police with Leupold Mark 4s, a Remington 700 5R, etc. I've had quite a lot of "scoped" semi-autos such as M1As, HK91s, AR15s, etc.

As my interest in precision shooting increased last year I put this together ...

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It was a Daniel Defense Mk12 (5.56MM) with the following modifications ...

+ Geissele SSA-E Trigger Group
+ MagPul UBR Gen 2 Stock Assembly
+ SureFire 51T Brake
+ Metal Dust Cover
+ MagPul Enhanced Trigger Guard

Regardless of how much money I spent on this particular rifle I was never really happy with it. I sold it online about three weeks ago. I have other precision-oriented rigs I've been working on (which I will post about) but I wanted to start the discussion with this one.

Does anyone else here like precision shooting? It doesn't have to be "bench rest" or any specific discipline. I'd just like to discuss accuracy driven guns, gear, technology, ammo/reloading, your purpose for your accuracy oriented guns, what you use them for, etc.
Posted By: Endeavour Morse

Re: Accuracy & Precision Shooting Discussion Thread - 02/06/20 04:17 PM

I just picked this Tikka T3X Stainless Lite 308 Win up from my FFL yesterday. The DNZ mount and Leupold VX3i 3.5-10x40mm CDS scope arrived the day before.

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This purpose behind this rifle was to improve my "field gun" accuracy potential. I have a Mossberg MVP 308 Patrol and Ruger 18" Stainless Gunsite 308 but neither of those guns are light or as accurate as I wanted for a "hunting" or "stalking" rifle. After a lot of research I decided I was going to buy a Winchester 70 Extreme Weather or Bergara B14 Hunter or Tikka T3X Stainless. I was set on 308 Win because I have other guns chambered for it, and it is a good performing cartridge. It isn't on par with a 6.5C (from what I've read ... as I have no personal experience) but it is powerful enough for any hunting I'd engage in, common, relatively inexpensive, etc.

I selected the Tikka because it was $350 less than the Winchester and the Bergara has mixed reviews. I've yet to find a negative T3X (in 308 Winchester ... I have read negative reports in belted mag cartridges) review.

I'm hoping this rifle shoots as well as everyone claims because I really want to sell the Mossberg. The Gunsite Scout rifle will probably get kept because it can fulfill a different role. Its more of a "general purpose" rifle when I mount my Leupold FX-II 2.5x IER Scout scope on it. It heavy (18" barrel and laminated stock) but it does make a neat "woods walking" package. The Tikka, on the other hand, is slated for more precise work.


ETA: this Tikka is not a "bench rest rifle" but I did buy it specifically because I wanted an extremely accurate field rifle. This post was to illustrate that we can discuss any type of "accuracy driven" guns .. not just highly specialized rigs.
Posted By: SkunkHunter

Re: Accuracy & Precision Shooting Discussion Thread - 02/06/20 04:25 PM

Only one I ever had was a Remington 700 VLS with the heavy barrel. I talked to the Remy custom shop guys and they said the ONLY difference between that rifle and the Police "Sniper" was the stock. They just took the same action/barrel assembly and drop it in which ever stock you want. Saved myself about a grand!
Posted By: Endeavour Morse

Re: Accuracy & Precision Shooting Discussion Thread - 02/06/20 05:01 PM

Originally Posted by SkunkHunter
Only one I ever had was a Remington 700 VLS with the heavy barrel. I talked to the Remy custom shop guys and they said the ONLY difference between that rifle and the Police "Sniper" was the stock. They just took the same action/barrel assembly and drop it in which ever stock you want. Saved myself about a grand!


The VLS is a good rifle. I had a Sendero (300 WM) when they first came out. I think the VLS and Sendero were basically the same rifles sans the barrel fluting on the Sendero.
Posted By: SkunkHunter

Re: Accuracy & Precision Shooting Discussion Thread - 02/07/20 02:01 AM

Alas I got rid of the VLS 308 a few years ago for some things that would be more useful around here IF needed. But I still have my Remy 600 Mohawk 308 that shoots REAL nice. And I also have my evil black rifle, my COLT 6920 (?) carbine length 5.6 and "a Couple" 30 round Magpul magazines and some surplus 20 round GI mags I was given.
Posted By: Endeavour Morse

Re: Accuracy & Precision Shooting Discussion Thread - 02/07/20 07:11 PM

I just finished this project this week ....

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CZ 455 Tacticool with 16" Threaded Barrel in 22 Long Rifle with the following upgrades ...

+ Diversified Innovative Products bottom metal / trigger guard
+ Diversified Innovative Products aluminum magazine base plate
+ Diversified Innovative Products trigger shoe
+ Custom cheek riser
+ Diversified Innovative Products extended scope base
+ Leupold VX Freedom 6-18x40mm CDS Side Focus scope
+ Warne 30mm steel rings
+ Harris BR bipod

I would have preferred for the scope to sit closer to the bore axis, but as a 50 yard 22LR I'm not worried about it (and have a cheek riser to address the scope height).
Posted By: RN

Re: Accuracy & Precision Shooting Discussion Thread - 02/07/20 09:13 PM

Nice...bet that shoots awesome...
Posted By: Endeavour Morse

Re: Accuracy & Precision Shooting Discussion Thread - 02/07/20 11:00 PM

Originally Posted by RN
Nice...bet that shoots awesome...


I haven't had a chance to test it out. I just received the scope and rings this week (the final pieces of my rimfire bolt action puzzle). CZ 452/455 are known for being good shooters so I have very high hopes.
Posted By: SkunkHunter

Re: Accuracy & Precision Shooting Discussion Thread - 02/08/20 12:56 AM

Man that is Purdy Gary.
Posted By: Endeavour Morse

Re: Accuracy & Precision Shooting Discussion Thread - 02/12/20 04:50 PM

Thanks. If you like that you will probably like this too ....

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Posted By: Endeavour Morse

Re: Accuracy & Precision Shooting Discussion Thread - 02/12/20 04:51 PM

Tactical Solutions X-Ring Vantage
Posted By: Endeavour Morse

Re: Accuracy & Precision Shooting Discussion Thread - 02/12/20 04:51 PM

This is another gun that I would have liked to of mounted the optic lower, but these are Warne's lowest 30MM rings, and the adjustment ring is really close to the receiver.
Posted By: Endeavour Morse

Re: Accuracy & Precision Shooting Discussion Thread - 02/12/20 04:55 PM

I've had that X-Ring for about a year, but just mounted the optic. Again, as I sell my "collection" I'm trying to finish out everything I intend to keep.

I'm excited about replacing my Vortex Viper with a Nightforce. I haven't been happy with the Viper, at all. Its fine under about 12 power, but over 12 and the optical clarity diminishes.
Posted By: Endeavour Morse

Re: Accuracy & Precision Shooting Discussion Thread - 02/12/20 04:56 PM

Here's the Viper ...

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Posted By: SkunkHunter

Re: Accuracy & Precision Shooting Discussion Thread - 02/12/20 05:26 PM

Man, that IS one pretty 22 Gary.
Posted By: RN

Re: Accuracy & Precision Shooting Discussion Thread - 02/16/20 04:39 PM

Not precision shooting perse...

But I love my Ruger in 7.62x39 and it shoots great. Has a Vortex 2x6. Wish I noted which ammo this was...

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My Saint Edge is a shooter too...this is with a Primary Arms 1x6...

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Posted By: SkunkHunter

Re: Accuracy & Precision Shooting Discussion Thread - 02/16/20 11:07 PM

Not bad for 10 yards Rich. grin I think you have yourself a couple pretty good shootin rifles.
Posted By: Endeavour Morse

Re: Accuracy & Precision Shooting Discussion Thread - 02/17/20 01:10 AM

Rich,
100 yards?

Nicely done. M43 Russian is not noted for accuracy.
Posted By: SkunkHunter

Re: Accuracy & Precision Shooting Discussion Thread - 02/17/20 02:40 AM

I agree Gary, nice shooting at any range.
Posted By: Private Klink

Re: Accuracy & Precision Shooting Discussion Thread - 02/17/20 12:03 PM

Good shootin' Tex! smile
Posted By: RN

Re: Accuracy & Precision Shooting Discussion Thread - 02/17/20 02:08 PM

Yep 100 yards...

Randy...wise guy!
Posted By: SkunkHunter

Re: Accuracy & Precision Shooting Discussion Thread - 02/17/20 02:41 PM

Haha. Seriously, I with Gary. Didn't know the Russian round was that accurate. You sure proved them wrong!
Posted By: Ray Settanta

Re: Accuracy & Precision Shooting Discussion Thread - 02/19/20 02:48 PM

This thread inspires me to take out my Anschutz .22 and Savage heavy barrel .223 and see if I can still shoot well. Not likely at almost 74 but it wonít hurt to try.
Posted By: SkunkHunter

Re: Accuracy & Precision Shooting Discussion Thread - 02/20/20 11:58 PM

Ray, being almost 74 isn't any reason that you can't shoot well. BUT you might need a scope now, I know I do.
Posted By: Ray Settanta

Re: Accuracy & Precision Shooting Discussion Thread - 02/21/20 01:46 AM

I think !íll need a BIG scope.
Posted By: Endeavour Morse

Re: Accuracy & Precision Shooting Discussion Thread - 02/21/20 03:59 AM

The older you grow the higher the scope magnification you require.
Posted By: Private Klink

Re: Accuracy & Precision Shooting Discussion Thread - 02/21/20 11:21 AM

Randy must be ready for the Mt. Palomar glass!
Posted By: Ray Settanta

Re: Accuracy & Precision Shooting Discussion Thread - 02/21/20 06:04 PM

Hee hee. Good one , Tom.
Posted By: SkunkHunter

Re: Accuracy & Precision Shooting Discussion Thread - 02/21/20 09:36 PM

Yeah yeah, pick on the poor disabled Zoomie.
Posted By: Private Klink

Re: Accuracy & Precision Shooting Discussion Thread - 02/22/20 12:43 AM

HAPPY BIRTHDAY Randy!!! smile
Posted By: SkunkHunter

Re: Accuracy & Precision Shooting Discussion Thread - 02/22/20 02:56 AM

Thanks Tom, but you are a day early.
Posted By: SkunkHunter

Re: Accuracy & Precision Shooting Discussion Thread - 02/22/20 02:58 AM

Feb 22 at 10:16am CST. None of this Daylight savings crap.
Posted By: RN

Re: Accuracy & Precision Shooting Discussion Thread - 02/22/20 02:01 PM

Probably my most mechanically accurate 9mm. CZ Sp01 tactical...very easy to shoot this well. Can't tell you how much it bugs me the X ring is still sitting there though! Lol

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Had a Dan Wesson Valor 9mm for a bit that was a bit more accurate...but I shoot this better.
Posted By: SkunkHunter

Re: Accuracy & Precision Shooting Discussion Thread - 02/22/20 02:32 PM

Nice Rich. 25 yards or 50 ft like the target says? Which ever, not bad shooting.
Posted By: RN

Re: Accuracy & Precision Shooting Discussion Thread - 02/22/20 02:42 PM

Hah- far from it- about 7 yards. 50 feet and I'll be 50% in the black usually...
Posted By: SkunkHunter

Re: Accuracy & Precision Shooting Discussion Thread - 02/22/20 02:51 PM

Hey, still yet it will get the job done.
Posted By: Private Klink

Re: Accuracy & Precision Shooting Discussion Thread - 02/22/20 02:58 PM

I think I would like to have Rich for my backup. smile
Posted By: SkunkHunter

Re: Accuracy & Precision Shooting Discussion Thread - 02/22/20 03:00 PM

BACKUP! Heck, I'd put him on the front lines!
Posted By: Private Klink

Re: Accuracy & Precision Shooting Discussion Thread - 02/23/20 08:36 AM

Alright, alongside me then.
Posted By: RN

Re: Accuracy & Precision Shooting Discussion Thread - 02/23/20 01:35 PM

I'm reminded of that line from Stripes- "If we every get into really heavy combat, I'll be right behind you guys...every step of the way."

grin
Posted By: SkunkHunter

Re: Accuracy & Precision Shooting Discussion Thread - 02/23/20 02:03 PM

Oh so they show you guys that now for a training motivation class. grin
Posted By: RN

Re: Accuracy & Precision Shooting Discussion Thread - 02/23/20 03:02 PM

I'm in a medical company...they set the bar a little differently...

lol
Posted By: SkunkHunter

Re: Accuracy & Precision Shooting Discussion Thread - 02/23/20 07:59 PM

Yeah I know, but it would sound funny to someone that didn't know.

Do you still deal with the mental aspect?
Posted By: Private Klink

Re: Accuracy & Precision Shooting Discussion Thread - 02/23/20 10:30 PM

The chair force walks into bars. smile
Posted By: RN

Re: Accuracy & Precision Shooting Discussion Thread - 02/24/20 09:50 PM

Originally Posted by SkunkHunter
Yeah I know, but it would sound funny to someone that didn't know.

Do you still deal with the mental aspect?


Yep, I'm what the Army calls a BHO- Behavioral Health Officer...
Posted By: SkunkHunter

Re: Accuracy & Precision Shooting Discussion Thread - 02/24/20 10:27 PM

Aha. The White Coat Squad. Now I'm REALLY scared of you! wink
Posted By: Private Klink

Re: Accuracy & Precision Shooting Discussion Thread - 02/25/20 04:49 AM

You SHOULD be! smile
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