House Gun ?

I guess this would relate to more " urban survival" but here goes. With economy and such getting kind of weird I notice that many are stocking up on ammo and guns. I was at the store the other night and the gun department was just about sold out while everything else was barely looked at ? So- my question is " What is the best gun to have in the house for protection" ?. Also- maybe best ammo or rounds for one you pick. You know- the gun you grab when you hear something or ? A friend has suggested a Ruger 9 mm with 15 shot clips 115 grain hollow points. What say you guys ? Thanks

Both are good choices.

if I hear something downstairs at night I grab the HK uspc 9mm. It might not be the best choice but its small and works well around the house.

Dude I would go with a Remington 870 with 2 3/4 inch shells of OO Buck, or smaller. I feel that most handguns would overpenetrate unless you use frangible ammo. Intimidation factor is also high with a scattergun. Just my 2 cents.

If you have to choose one a shotgun is probably the way to go. Price to performance ratio and all...

I have lots of guns. My favorite for home protection is an inexpensive Mossberg 20 ga with a pistol grip.

Bought one of these about a month ago.
Very intimidating thing to have pointed at you.
Have to make a mental note though, to go get more shells though.

Cheers

My first choice would be a short-barreled 12 gauge shotgun with #4 buckshot, which my wife has on her side of the bed. I have an 870 Remington Express Magnum on my side, with #4s and Centurion duplex loads(6 #1 buckshot and 1 .65 cal. ball). I don't worry about over-penetration, just the cause of the problem. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

I got my trusty mossy 590 with knoxx pistol grip. Nothing but 00 and slugs for me. Now if i could only get a DF bayonet for it lol.

I live in a kinda cramped apartment so moving around with it isnt to pleasent but its possible. Im looking into a nice 1911 at the moment tho. For me a handgun would be much better due to the crampness at my place.

My H&K USP 9mm full size is closest to me at night. Spear Gold Dots and Federal Hydra-Shoks. But I do own an 870 express.

Love them both.

I need to get a gun for my wife though (I take the nine-milli with me when I leave the house).

Regarding shotgun ammo, read this thread from the Swamp: What's The Best 12 Gauge Round?

i have a left and right hand rem 1187's that i have made adapters for that hold them together. i also specially built an adapter that bolts both recievers to one stock.also built a mecanism to fire both triggers at once ala a winter trigger device. i have the guns loaded with 00 and can put 64 .36 cal balls thru the tubes in about 5 seconds.

and if ya believe that one i'll think of another one too. haha.

I'd have to vote for the shotgun as well. Preferably with a short (18 inch) barrel. 20 gauge delivers more than enough lead to put down a human at indoor ranges, so "more power" is not a good reason to go to 12 if that's all this thing will be doing. #3 and #4 buckshot will do the job, and do not present the same problems as #00, each pellet of which has the same energy as a light caliber bullet and will readily go through a couple walls. At 5 yards or less, "retained energy" is not something you need to worry about with the lighter buckshot.

Be aware that with a shotgun, a hit to the torso is almost certainly fatal. No firearm should be discharged as a warning or to "just wound" your target, but consider that the majority of people shot with handguns survive thanks to quick hospitalization. Where that figures into your decisions is up to you.

I'm glad the conversation went to 12-20 gauge.I've been looking at the Mossberg 500 and my little 110 lb wife wondering if she could handle a 12 gauge...I would rather have the 12, but figure what's the point if she can't manage it!

This-
1958 Remington Wingmaster 870 police trade in.
Currently stoked with 00 Buck.


That said, this resides in the nightstand on my side of the bed-



This resides on the nightstand on her side of the bed-


There's also a flashight in both night stands, a cell phone, and a Cold Steel Kukhri machete (the SOD is on my side <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />), and I keep a spare Glock 23 and a couple mags in my nightstand too, because "you never know"...

Wow- you guys even have your wife ready to " lock n load " !! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif" alt="" />I picture this dude breaking in- and then gets blasted by some little gal about five foot nothin <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbup.gif" alt="" />I love it <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

Well, who's to say that some crackhead doesn't smash in your door while you are on the "throne" or in the shower?!? I want my wife ready to handle things until I respond - most likely with the 9mm I keep in our master bathroom. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

I've got a SS Springfield 1911 on toilet duty <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />

PK,
Mine's a Remington 870 Express Deer Gun
12 gauge, 20 inch barrel.

this ? is answered by ONE answer and one only.

a 12 gauge shotgun. PERIOD. end of story. that is the best home defense weapon ever. this isnt arguable.


now, whatever you want to use is subject to debate. personally, i live in an apt complex. i keep my Glock 26 (best 9mm on the market IMO as i have owned every glock 9mm model - the 17 and 19) with me where ever i am and i have access to over 50 rounds at all times in the house. 15 rounds of 147gr HP rounds will stop anything and anyone. I dont care who you are.

... and personally, the best shotgun ever built is the Remington Model 870. this and the mossberg 500 have seen more action and been around longer than any others. benelli makes great weapons but they aint a remington 870.

+1 <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbup.gif" alt="" /> I never even thought about prepping the bathroom. Instant image of Vincent Vega just popped up.

Mossberg 590




A few EDC choices


.50 Blackpowder


Next to MY bed, I have a pistol grip Mossberg 500, .38 by nightstand, SKS w/ 30 round mag of AP ammo by the foot of my bed along with a Winchester 1300 Defender shotgun & my .380 Colt Mustang. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />

House Arsenal might be a better query judging by the responses here....LOL...

I could've sworn you said there was a mossberg in the first pic, all I see is Busse kin.

god bless the 2nd amendment

Indeed.

You reach for that shotgun in a hurrin and you might lose a finger to all those beautiful knives~! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" />

Remy 870 20" brl 12ga with #4 buck shot, USP 45, and a baseball bat!

Aluminum or wood?

XD-45 ACP with 13 rounds of 230 grain Hornady +p

Is that your USP in your Avatar? Can you get moderators for pistols in the US?

I have shot with Civi's in the US who had moderators for their rifles but have'nt come across pistols with them.

Steel core titanium coated bat, much faster swing.

Yes, but they are a controlled (NFA) item, meaning we have to pay a $200 tax on them, undergo a background check, be approved by the BATF and local law enforcement, or purchase them through a living trust or corporation. Most states allow moderators (we call them "silencers" or more appropriately "suppressors"), but some don't, and there are hoops to go through in order to own them legally, which most Europeans find funny, as moderators are available a the majority of gun shops in Europe. Silencer use is not only encouraged, but occasionally required over there...noise laws & such...

Ummm...suppressors...donuts...Doh! So illegal here in cali. Suppressors that is, donuts are only illegal in malibu.

Fun is illegal in Kalifornia....

Have you ever even shot a Benelli? Have you ever even shot a 12ga for that matter?

Also do you even know what a Glock 34 or 17L is? You think you know everything but you don't. PERIOD.



If you want a handgun, any Glock will do just fine. I like the larger ones for home because I can "feel" them slightly better. The only reasons to go with a smaller model is if you might want to conceal it or if it fits your hand better.

If you want a pump shotgun, you have plenty of affordable options that will function just fine. Whichever one feels best is the one to go with. Just think about the controls when you hold it, like the safety and action release and make sure you are comfortable with where they are and how they operate.

Unless you are in a sexual minority....funny how some States have vastly different laws...went to Kentucky for the Knob Creek shoot and they had it ALL....everything from flamethrowers to Artillery pieces...with as many different machine guns as have ever been made....what a blast!

I'd really like to have some flash bangs and tear gas grenades but that definitely wouldn't fly.

Yeah...there would be nothing left for the SWAT team to do when/if they arrived...LOL...

Interesting point though that pyrotechnic's are more controlled than say....the firearms....I remember reading that Police were called to what was reported to be kids setting off fireworks in a Quarry...only to find it was a perfectly legal impromptu bit of pistol practise and Black Powder shooting.... <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

Hey there,
Sorry for the late reply.

Aluminum bat--no chance of cracking at the wrist if needed. Yes, I have cracked a wood bat before LOL.

Yes, that is my USP Tactical. I hate the word tactical though because I am low speed and hi drag and not the other way around. The suppressor is from Big John's in TX. So far I have about 500 rds through it and it is great. When the suppressor is dry it does a pretty good job of suppressing the sound but it really gets "Hollywood" quite when I add "Belly Jelly" (Ultrasound jelly) which makes it wet. I can get about 30 rds through it before it starts getting loud.

I am lucky I live in a state that is Class III friendly with no limits on supressors, full auto, short brl rifles or shotguns, etc. I am trying to decide what my next Class III will be. I am thinking I need to get a 22LR suppressor in the works before feb. just in case and then worry about what pistol/rifle combo to go with.

Take care

I use a 9mm semi auto, but I think the shotgun that holds 8 rounds and a pistol grip stock is a great gun for home protection.

At least Arizona is only an hour away, and Vegas four hours away!

Well for a house gun I think you are totally sorted...I have used Sig's which are similar and for "indoor" use a suppressor is a great benefit...they radically reduce recoil and keep you on aim and not deafened or blinded by mussle flash...particularly if the room is dark...they also radically help in a vehicle...if you have the funds and want something similar in a revolver...you can use a suppressor very well on a Dan Wesson. The detatchable barrel can be fitted for about 25 thou clerance which is close enough to stop noise and flash emitting too much from the barrel cylinder gap and the barrel shroud threads used to screw in the suppressor. Handy if you want "low maintaince and easy use"....it might make a good gun for a spouse not into semiauto's....it balances well using the snub barrel and suppressor...not too mussle heavy.

Well I am certainly impressed with your ability to get kit like this...I have used the USP without a moderator and liked it a lot. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbup.gif" alt="" />

Ever since I saw a suppressed Russian Nagant revolver I have wanted on of those. It is perfect for suprressing since the round does not break the sound barrier, no slide to cycle, and the cylinder moves up and covers the forcing cone to creat a good seal--and the ammo is belled ovr the bullet so that when fired it blows the brass out creating even more of a barrier.

Thanks for the compliments on my kit.

For quiet, how about a Welrod? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />

Heh. If you want quiet, read up on the DeLisle Carbine (designed for special forces to remove sentries and that kind of thing; doesn't seem to be any louder than somebody clapping) and the soviet PSS (uses a special sealed cartridge where the powder forces a piston which in turn rams the bullet, so that none of the powder gasses leave the cartridge; almost totally silent).

Neither are really available on the open market, but they are fascinating pieces of engineering. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />

Those soviet PSS pistols are really cool.

Next to my bed I have a .45 (EAA Witness), a Benchmade Nimravus, and 2 flashlights: a 3 D Cell Maglight and a 2 AA Fenix that I am really starting to love.

One addition I would like to make is a Winchester 1300 defender with a mounted light. That would be my perfect home defense gun...

Fenix is sure getting popular. Is there advantages over surefire ?

I don't own any fenix lights but I keep an EagleTac flashlight and a Makarov at my bedside. As for advantages, both EagleTac and Fenix use Cree led bulbs instead of incandescent lamps like SureFire. Also Led's consume less power than Incans.

Performance for the money was the main factor for me. (no surprise I am hear at Scrapyard) I don't own a surefire, so I can't compare...

I have been using a Fenix L1D Light for over a year.
I have the Premium Q5 (superbright)model.
I also have a 2 AA body and a 1 cell cr123 body.
The light is very very well made and an excellent value.
Ive had no problems since I got it,and I do use it just
about every day.
NFI in the company,just a happy customer.

These still get issued...or were back in Gulf War I...but are single shot closed action manual re-cocking weapons which whilst they hold rounds in a magazine are not semi auto at all.

Well, Canadaian law being more stringent on house defense firearms, I don't have one by the bedside, otherwise I'd be slapped with unsecure firearms storage.

But, if it were legal and I were to choose one of my current firearms for the task, it would be my Browning ten gauge over/under, loaded with 3 1/2" shells in 000 buck. It's got 30" barrels, so it would keep that grouping nice and tight on an intruders' centre of mass.