I have a Bersa thunder .380. If price is a big problem you can find these for around 250$ in some pawn shops. In an Unkle Mikes belly band this thing disappears. I'd rather be toting a 9 but the nines in this slim/size range are much more expensive. I do plan on getting one when i can afford it. The Bersa has been 100% reliable and surprisingly accurate out to 25 yards. For the price it is hard to beat. I also required a full grip so the seecamp and the smallest Kel-tec's were out.