I agree, that shouldn’t even be an option. This is about KNIVES, and it has to have an edge to be a knife. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" /> I have a RIP, and the only thing I use it for is ice. I keep it on the fridge with magnets. It’s the most expensive ice pick I’ve ever bought. 2nd place would be my titanium ice pick.