Wiggitty. I had a couple of pair for a while. I didn't replace them when I wore them out. I was never happy with the back pockets and I'm fairly short 5'7". The taller you are the better they fit. In 5.11 defense everyone I know who has them thinks they are great. I seem to be the odd man out. I just ordered (haven't come in yet) a pair of the TDU's. I'm going to see if I like them any better. Before you order them off of 5.11 website you might give LA Police Gear a try. They usually have the 5.11 gear at the same price or better than the 5.11 site. LA Police Gear also has free shipping if you order two clothing items, a free 5.11 hat and free return shipping if you don't like the item.