Thanks Jeff, yeah it sucks....it is a waiting game ,knowing you been screwed and trying to figure it out and recover my knife that i paid for or the money and lastly not hurt my reputation in anyway,I did my part this scammer had money in 2 days and I was tossed to the side ,if I add the scammers post on KF he collected about $900 and moved on... I would take the $200 hickey(can't afford it) and tuck tail if UPS and others involved cant help as long as I got the word out on this dude....to save another member the grief..TTD