<img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> thanks bruce. I don't think I've ever had a knife get rust on it... except on time I put my kershaw scallion through the washer... <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> and that was 440c! but I don't think a dumpster muttt would end up in my washer. and if it did, rust would be the least of my problems.