Macs right about the BM heat treat for 154 cm on the grips. The thing is way to hard and brittle. For some odd reason, it loses an edge quite quickly and is a b**** to sharpen. Actually it ain't odd at all, it's the heat treat.

But, NOB it's like the most insanely sharp knife out there. It is spooky spooky sharp fresh from the factory.

Cloaks definitely right about our view of "survival knives." Survival = EDC. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> (well at least that's how I see it) But when we go into the wilderness... what do we have? ... like a bunch of fix blades and our folders? Right.... I think we can survive.

Now the best folders that we have are the ZT 0200 and the Rukus. Cloak's 0200 is just a recurve workhorse (he can go into more detail, as that is his knife). I've used my Rukus pretty extensively, including throwing, chopping, and batoning.

I don't include the SOCOM elite 'cuz it's kind of rare and so dang pretty. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> (though we have used for cutting, including serrations, and the thing just won't lose it's edge. Course, if I do happen to chip the edge or break it, I'm gonna be one mad mongrel!!!)