Edited the initial post <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/doh.gif" alt="" /> . Cut and paste did me in on that one <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif" alt="" /> . YH, not the Ladybug3 (which happens to be my keychain EDC) <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> . I am still surprised in how active the SYK community is <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/ooo.gif" alt="" /> .