I found my HCLE to be very obtuse about 35 degrees <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif" alt="" />. I started on it with the lansky and took a break until I got the new edgepro and now once I am done at the yard I am putting a good sharp edge on it. I think because it is such good hard steel I should be able to run it quite thin ,like about 20 degrees with no worries possibly even less.