Sooner or later Dan has to do a BOLO (hint...sigh...hint...oh come on!!!) can you think of a better design for a hard use knife; right now the closest thing I own to one is a Wells Creek Applegate signature Smatchet...one day I will be forum smart enough to post pics...just call me old fashion, I'm still figuring this out; still don't know what the big deal is about the F5 key <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/paperbag.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/footinmouth.gif" alt="" />