Yea, it has to be pretty stiff to keep it's shape and hold the knife right. It's amazing what you can do with leather and some wax or paraffin. In Medieval Reenactment we used to make so real hard armor that way. One of my friends wanted to see how bullet proof it was so he shot a 1/4 inch thick piece with a 38, and it didn't penetrate. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/ooo.gif" alt="" /> it's almost as good as a bullet proof vest! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> Only heavier... <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/doh.gif" alt="" />