out5 - Howdy and Welcome to the ScrapYard! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbup.gif" alt="" />As Dave suggested, Dan or Jerry could probably be the ones to answer your questions. I don't think that most of us will ever "take our knives to the limit", but they are covered by the best warranty in the business so don't be afraid to use them. I just don't advocate deliberate abuse. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> Tom