The NMSFNO is really nice and does have a slight edge on the SOD. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" /> Although both the SOD and NMSFNO are among my favorites! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbup.gif" alt="" /> Along with the Ratweiler... <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />