I figure end of July but I can wait as I am totaly enjoying summer <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" />. I'll check them out a bit when they get here- but will wait till after summer to really look them over.I only wish they would get the new offering up and hoping it is an LE S5. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbup.gif" alt="" />