That was because anyone already on the first link of sheath makers from the Busse web page I didn't want to be redundant. I thought about just copying all the info from the Busse sheath page without linking to it, but I thought then some of the makers would have text write ups, and some wouldn't, etc. I'll put you on the front page. That way you're more visible. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> If you ever get a banner ad made, let me know and I'll put it up there.