I don't know about ColdOne, but I would prefer that we didn't play the same kind of games that the Hogs do over at Busse's BF site - and I am a HOG as well. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" /> I realize that it did not move anyone to the bottom of the list, but we keep getting new members and it creates confusion - and possible anger - when it's just not necessary. Save it for the BF site. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crossfingers.gif" alt="" />