Well I saw how many were on the Forum and figured from the UK I would be struggling to get the e-mails sent .... I could'nt post on the forum and could'nt page "re-fresh" by F5'ing either ... too much traffic ... so I went to bed at 1.00 am ... about 1 hour beforehand and gave it a miss ... I see now even Jerry could'nt post ... so reckon I did the sensible thing ... Ganza's just don't work well on the "international" front ... not on my system at least ...