Agreed <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbup.gif" alt="" />- but in his defense- he might not know. He might be buying steel- or trying to get the best deal he can on a decent batch. Steel isn't cheap and he doesn't want to order too much or too little. So- that being said- very difficult to relaese specs on type of steel and price. I have run my own busines for over 30 yaers and can tell you the economy is nuts out there. Everyone trying to produce on nothing.At any rate- that is kind of scenario I am seeing. Just trying to see both sides of the fence. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbup.gif" alt="" /> Thanks <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />