thanks everyone........don't know the problem but now it's fixed....now some business...the creek was better than last Oct....DRY....now the take....2 regulator LEs...1 tanker grey DM...1 tanker grey DF..and the best for last..1 of 4 orange & black handled RatManDus..only for Knob Creek.......if you have never been to a show ..GO to one.....you will regret not going one day..... <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbup.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbup.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbup.gif" alt="" />